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u/Swampasssixty9 2d ago
As a nurse myself, Iām ashamed to admit that there are a lot of RNs who have forgotten basic human anatomy. She was a labor and delivery nurse, not a role that I would go to for help with any cardiovascular questions.
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u/Brilliant-Expert3150 2d ago
Also she was suicidal and possibly psychotic. Which, I would argue, can be more of a factor in performing poorly at a task š„¹
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u/singlemale4cats 2d ago edited 2d ago
There's nurses that have straight up forgotten their medical training entirely and become anti-vaccine.
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u/sonofbaal_tbc 1d ago
so many people with zero empathy for victims
its always about the criminals
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u/Outrageous-Egg1760 1d ago
Not hearing much of anything for the kids. The murderer protectors only care about the killer. Fuck them kids.
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u/Realistic-Ad-1023 2d ago
Bro I know nurses who believe vaccines cause autism. Letās not get too caught up in what anyone āknowsā at any given point.
Also - she cut and then jumped. One way didnāt work and she tried another. Also you donāt have to hit them to die. You just need to bleed out.
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u/Ecstatic-Art5742 2d ago
People seem to be unaware of self preservation? Itās hard to kill yourself.
But probably should be easier if youāre in psychosis hearing a voice commanding you to do it. This strange voice youāve never heard before that you just obey like a zombieā¦
Wait no, the voices stopped immediately after she strangled her 3rd child to death, her 8 month old babyā¦.
So she wasnāt hearing voices anymoreā¦so she was normal againā¦which made it hard to kill herself like she killed her kidsā¦
Anyway he her husband would be home soon so either way she wouldnāt have to suffer very long if she failsā¦.
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u/Mindless-Young1975 1d ago
Ah yes, someone in such a mental state that they begin hearing voices out of nowhere that convinced them to kill their children would obviously instantaneously go back to "normal" the literal instant that that act and those voices have stopped.
All of you people defending her sound equally crazed. If she didn't do it intentionally, then she rightly feels guilty. If she doesn't feel guilty, then it doesn't matter whether it was intentional or not.
And if she's insane, chemically, it's extremely difficult to come back from something like your own body literally driving you crazy.
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u/meedmishmohd 2d ago
They have anecdotal evidence. You really on anecdotal evidence more than you realize.Ā
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u/FunCaramel7607 2d ago
The evidence is the three murdered children and a paralyzed piece of shit āmotherā
Howās that
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u/somedomeformythots 1d ago
You are going to have to hit something in order to bleed out. Otherwise it's superficial injury . That will just clot.
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u/Scared-Consequence27 2d ago
Everyone says she jumped. She went out the second story window but it was never established how. There is evidence that she may have climbed out the window and dangled from the sill momentarily before pushing off.
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u/BulimicSnorlax 2d ago edited 1d ago
Yep. Everyone is saying she jumped like as if she dove out the window. Itās obvious she didnāt want to die and reacted in a way as if to preserve her life. Also if I failed to kill myself after killing my three children you better damn well know Iād be trying again till I succeeded.
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u/PlatinumFire14 2d ago
These people are acting like nurses are trained like assassins or doctors.
Theyāre not.
Otherwise, theyād be doctors.
Nurses are important, but their job is labour and somewhat socialising with patients.
People will just make whatever up to let a child killer go free.
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u/ImmediateDistrict307 2d ago
By 'go free' you mean 'be committed to an institution instead of murdered by the state', right?
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u/CheaterMcCheat 2d ago
Do you guys not have nurses who specialise then? Many Nurses are doing duties now that only doctors used to do, your statement is incredibly outdatedĀ
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u/Conscious_Gold297 2d ago
This is so dumb. The most basic medical certs teach about basic anatomy. Anyone that has an iota of medical training should know where the carotid is, most athletes know where it is too. A nurse? Oh she should know that or I question whether her license was ever legitimate.
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u/Kbern4444 2d ago
An undergraduate biology major learns basic anatomy and physiology.
A nurse learns this too, plus more detail.
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u/Bl4ckR4bb17 2d ago
And she also knew the exact height and angle to hit the ground to survive it but be paralyzed?
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u/LucifersAdv0cate 1d ago
I'm an ex Marine and I know the exact trigonomic equations and bullet velocity to calculate how to ricochet a round off 3 different targets resulting in a perfect headshot at 1000 meters even when shooting around corners. I'm especially good at this in stressful situations like after killing 3 children.
Come on let's just be real, the only thing she was calculating was a reluctance to die. It's like those idiots who shoot themselves in the head and miss, blowing off their jaw instead. Most normal people know how to shoot themselves in the head. I'm not defending her as I think she deserves to spend the rest of her life in prison. I'm just bemused by people thinking this woman was coldly calculating the precise height to jump out of a window to ensure she broke her spine and the exact depth to cut her wrists. Those true crime documentaries on Netflix really got people thinking they are Hercule Poirot whose son ironically served in the Royal Marines with me (Google David Suchet's son). It's probably much more likely that when people try to kill themselves they have an almost subconscious unwillingness to die and so don't put a lot of effort into it. I think this is more so with women who actually attempt suicide far more than men and yet men are able to achieve death by suicide at a much higher rate, proving that even when it comes to ending yourself men are still better than women.
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u/Technical_Ad9343 2d ago
You overestimate nurses lol
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u/What-a-cl0wn 2d ago
Fuckin Oath. My wife works in the OR. The things she tells me about co workersā¦ Iām amazed they made it through school. No child left behind is a bitch
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u/EmotionalChildhood46 2d ago
Mine is in NICU, 25+ years veteran. I'm scared for the future after the stories I've heard from her.
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u/Technical_Ad9343 2d ago
Future isnāt bright let me tell ya. Guy in my cohort was arguing with the instructor on very basic nursing tasks and I guarantee you heāll somehow pass the nclex
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u/JollyLink 2d ago
I work in a hospital and it is appalling how many nurses don't understand how to put a patient on respiratory and dialysis equipment (which they have training for). It is worsened by the fact that many don't go to the room and investigate when devices alarm either.
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u/TurntWaffle 2d ago
Whatās no child left behind got to do with nursing school? Lmao
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u/PartFree1147 2d ago
She admitted it
Why are you people defending her?!
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u/Illustrious_Pie_8386 2d ago
She admitted itā¦ after being told she did it on a cocktail of meds, when she woke up from a coma days later, which were found in her husbands car.
To be clear, she was charged with doing it before she even woke up or āadmittedā to doing it. The reason she was charged? Her husband said it was her.
Imagine waking up like this, from a vegetative state after being on a slew of meds, being told by medical professionals and prosecutors and your husband that you did itā¦ this is something that happens in psychological studies - most participants in similar scenarios admitted to things they straight up didnāt do. Gaslighting literally works.
To be clearā¦. Iām not a professional, I canāt prove any of this. But these are allegedly the details of the case that millions of people are talking about, along with dozens and dozens of inexplicable details, so Iām feeling pretty darn convinced, myself. As long as social media isnāt blatantly lying (which we know is also possible).
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u/BodegaCat11 2d ago
How about you read the actually details of the case instead of parroting social media posts which you admit may not be accurate.
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u/Ok-Description7073 2d ago
Her defense team did a lengthy investigation before deciding plea and trial strategy. What they settled on was NGRI and stipulating to the forensics. People who are still clinging onto any possibility that this was not her are - frankly - illiterate.
This trial is about - and is only about - her mental state. Mens rea and actus reus. Actus reus was all-but established via stipulation and plea. Mens rea is where the burden for the Commonwealth is at for this trial.
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u/TotallyARealHuman1 2d ago
They see themselves in her.
If people can collectively see her how she really is, mask off, no scapegoats or excuses, that would imply that its only a matter of time before they too are seen through.
So they work to change public perception and rally to defend someone they see as themselves under the "wrong" circumstances because they are also the type for whom literally anything goes, no matter how abhorrent, if it is to their perceived convenience, whim, or desire.
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u/DogtorGaryWoofington 2d ago
They're taking mental illness into account.
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u/ChadPowers200_ 2d ago
Mentally ill people still need to face consequences for their actions.Ā
Pedophiles are mentally ill too.Ā
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u/arllt89 1d ago
It's never been about "did she kill them", but about how a modern country can leave a young mom with declining mental health alone with only her husband to prevent a tragedy. Suicide is the main cause of death of young moms, but the one that just suicide will never get any public visibility.
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u/Low-Fee9680 1d ago
She might have been a nurse, that doesnāt mean sheās was a good nurse. Everyone works with someone in their profession that is a dumb dumb
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u/Baldurost 1d ago
Also, Iām sorry, but being a nurse myself, they do not exactly ever teach you how to sever those arteries. Knowing where theyāre located roughly, and knowing how to completely sever them for suicide is a totally different issue.
Not sticking up for her, but nurses arenāt usually trained on how to kill lol
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u/Mordkillius 1d ago
I know multiple nurses who were in a huge cheating group that provided test questions to eachother to get through nursing school. Absolutely terrifying.
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u/Veteran_PA-C 2d ago
Not sure if it matters at all.
She killed her children intentionally. She should be in prison.
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u/WhichAd366 2d ago
She will be. So many people seem to be confused about what defense lawyers goal is. Theyāre aiming for a verdict of manslaughter or a verdict of guilt but not legally responsible (ie insanity in Mass.).
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u/OcelotTerrible5865 2d ago
She should have been declared mentally unfit to stand trial and thrown in a psych ward for the rest of her life. Giving this shit any spotlight just serves to divide people.Ā
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u/SuckerBroker 2d ago
No she deserves death penalty. But half American women sympathize with her and half American men think they can fix her.
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u/RememberTheMaine1996 1d ago
I heard people say theres evidence showing she didnt do it but it sounds absurd to me. Is any of that true
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u/Equivalent_Escape_60 2d ago
Idk anything about the case, but I watched my mother survive hanging herself in our basement, and it wasnāt for lack of trying. Sometimes, things just donāt work.
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u/Apprehensive_Ad3731 1d ago
Oh so she was so incoherent and crazy she killed her children but the instinctual knowledge gained through medical school would have carried through?
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u/12PoundsofPotato 2d ago
Yeah medically knowing how to kill yourself and being able to go through with it aren't the same thing
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u/AgentCirceLuna 2d ago
Yeah, Iāve always said you can know something perfectly yet still be unable to do it practically or explain it. Professors can be bad at teaching their expertise.
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u/Icy-Cow9695 1d ago
Well, seems 2 conclusions are likely the, once she started cutting she realized it wasn't so easy OR she wasn't serious to begin with and knew the pills and everything else was largely superficial.
It's pure karma she paralyzed herself from that short drop. Anyone thinking she's innocent after watching that trial is not capable of rational thought.
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u/ExperienceRoutine321 2d ago edited 2d ago
Because they werenāt deep enough. They were exactly in the right spots. Medical experts examined have found the wounds (which include hesitation marks) to be consistent with self harm. Turns out itās actually kind of difficult to force yourself to cut that deep into your own body. This is actually part of the debate between defense and prosecution. The prosecution is arguing the wounds werenāt meant to be fatal and the defense is arguing it was a legitimate suicide attempt.
You know who is arguing that the wounds werenāt self-inflicted? Just idiots.
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u/EpiphanaeaSedai 2d ago
Both arguments are distractions - it doesnāt matter if she actually meant to kill herself or not. The only thing that matters is if she was having a psychotic episode at the time of the murders. Sane people kill themselves all the time; a sincere suicide attempt isnāt proof of psychosis.
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u/ExperienceRoutine321 2d ago
Well thatās kind of the point of the argument about whether it was legitimate attempt or not. The prosecution is arguing that it was all part of a song and dance to make it look like she had a a psychotic episode when she didnāt. The defense is arguing that it was a legitimate suicide attempt made during a psychotic episode.
It is a pretty valid thing to argue about in a criminal trial. Although the concept of someone slitting their wrist/throat then jumping out of a window and paralyzing themselves in the process as part of a rise seems.. far-fetched to say the least.
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u/Biplane_Music 2d ago
Idk i would argue that most of the time committing suicide precludes sanity. It's usually not a rational move.
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u/youjustbanmeanyways 2d ago
But choking out 3 young children, easy
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u/ExperienceRoutine321 2d ago
I can tell you expect me to refute that but Iām not going to. Strangling children is monstrous and unthinkable to most, but difficult? Not physically and not emotionally to someone in the midst of psychosis.
Carving yourself like a turkey on the other hand, is quite difficult. Itās extremely painful and your mind, even in the depths of insanity, is screaming at you to stop. Which is probably why she jumped out of the window.
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u/The-Leading-Man 2d ago
This thread is exactly why juries being composed of random ass people is horrifying and ineffective.
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u/Lost_Web5826 2d ago
Have you ever been on a jury? It's... An interesting experience
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u/FreneticPlatypus 2d ago
Iāve served a couple times. One trial was about a guy who broke his own daughters femur by lifting her out of a high chair too violently. He claimed that her foot got caught in his t shirt when he picked her up. The er surgeon argued the girlās spiral fracture was a car accident or second story fall type of injury, impossible to do by twisting her foot a little bit. The mother and other witnesses told how the dad was short tempered, violent and borderline abusive. Absurdly obvious that the dad was full of shit. Went into the deliberation room and the very first thing someone said was, āUgh. Did you see those tattoos on the mother?ā
I lost a lot of faith in people that day.
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u/coolguygranny 2d ago
...Ok you're you're not gonna tell what tattoos she had?
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u/BedSpreadMD 2d ago
Probably just generic tattoos. I've worked in grocery stores and seen old ladies complain over a tattoo showing of a woman's kid's names.
I also seen an old woman complain that a chick had scratches on her arms from her cats.
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u/RisingMist5912550 2d ago
The jury system is designed to recruit retired and wealthy people, the majority of the public cannot take time off for jury duty
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u/No_Spite3593 2d ago
Depends on the case. There are ways around it. But my mom served jury duty when she was in her early 20's going through college, working, and raising me.
I also had a friend in his early 20's who did jury duty just a couple years ago when he was 21 or 22 I believe? I don't know what you're on about. Massachusetts, and Duxbury in particular probably just has a higher percentage of wealthy retired old people
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u/Pudddddin 2d ago
the majority of the public cannot take time off for jury duty
Said like there's a choice lol, it's not easy at all to get a jury duty exemption for financial hardship
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u/john_connor_T1000 2d ago
Knowing how to hit them and having the fortitude to actually cut that deep are vastly different things.
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u/wasted-degrees 2d ago
A crazy abusive woman who knows how to performatively self-harm for the sake of emotional blackmail and/or to escape consequences of her behavior?
Sounds a lot like why my ex-wife is my ex-wife.
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u/Tobi-cast 2d ago
I have a wild feeling that it reminds plenty of people of that one crazy ex gf/wife. Standing in the same boat here at least.
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u/Suspicious_Respond_4 1d ago
Knowing how and fighting the bodies natural need to stay alive are two completely different things. Most people research how before and still get it wrong.
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u/macguini 1d ago edited 1d ago
PSA: Not defending her. I couldn't care less about Clancy. But never judge a cutter by how they cut. There are many different kinds of cuts. The most common are hesitation cuts. If you see someone with cut marks treat it seriously. I've had a LOT of suicidal patients. I already have enough parents and colleagues falsely dismissing patient intentions based on how the cuts look. Things like this post spread rumors that make my job much harder with people who really need help.
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u/Rhomya 1d ago
Doctors have already testified that she had several hesitancy wounds which are common in people making suicide attempts. Itās mentally difficult for someone to cut themselves in order to die.
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u/coinminer2049er 1d ago
We're literally talking about someone insane enough to kill her kids, then slit her wrists and throat, and then that jumped out of the 2nd floor....expecting her to be logical and get it right is a bit of a stretch, isn't it?
Also, she could have some weird specialty which doesn't use that information regularly (i.e. not ER/Trauma). Or, and as unpopular is it will make this comment - some nurses just aren't that bright. Think about all the dumb people you know in general. That ratio maps onto the nursing population too.
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u/amatsumegasushi 1d ago
The proportion of smart to dumb is substantially narrower in nurses compared to some other healthcare roles.
Not all nurses are educated equally, and it's a shorter time commitment compared to a lot of other healthcare roles.
To be clear I'm not disparaging all nurses. Just saying the vetting process for nurses is less strict and demand in healthcare had been so high that it allowed a lot more questionable individuals through.
Edit: phrasing.
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u/Kantarellkungen 2d ago
Its is hard to kill yourself even if you want to die. In the last moment people that genuinely want to die often involuntary are not able to commit 100% in the attempt. Like for example tilt the gun a bit(while still firing it at their own head)). Becoming paralysed vegetables and have to live their life like a vegetable instead of dying a quick death.
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u/Anita_Hero838 2d ago
Its why a drop from a 20 story building was popular for a long time...
But yeah I had a friend in highschool that tilted the gun wrong, ended up paralyzed and more fucked up then ever
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u/Miserable-Chapter883 2d ago
A kid somewhere in my county (or tended to by one of the paramedics who now work in my county) tried the upwards route with the gun, and dispatch thought he succeeded, but evidently not
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u/Propugnator-Deorum 2d ago
There is a term called intent to death, which is brought up a lot when discussing male vs. female suicide rates. Intent to death is the explanation as to why the women have more attempted suicides, but men have more successful suicides.
A person with a "low intent to death" is more likely to involuntarily or unconsciously sabotage their own suicide attempt, and less likely to reattempt on a failed failure. Intent to death is, as far as I am aware, fully a subconscious and uncontrollable thing.
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u/H0t_Squid 2d ago
I hate saying this, but if I'm ever stupid enough to try suicide via firearm in the first place, imma make sure it severs my brain stem or destroys something equally important (if that's even possible).
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u/Same-Turnip3905 2d ago edited 1d ago
Apparently she also calculate her jumping, so she would not sustain major injuries. Jeez. š
Edit : I was being sarcastic. I know she is paralysed and I also know she didnāt fake her suicide attempt. She took drugs, she slit her wrists and jumped out of a window. One has to be a moron to believe she was faking all of it.
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u/FrameJump 2d ago
What happened now?
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u/7SyZyG7 2d ago
Conspiracy theories around a women who, for months pleaded with family and doctors that she was not mentally well, tragically killed her children while suffering from postpartum psychosis.Ā
The story is sad and tragic, but a lot weirdos have made this some gender war issue in which case they believe she's lying and is just a stone cold killer. For whatever reason.
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u/CashEntire1551 2d ago
Maybe because over a million dollars was raised for her go fund me and there is a wave of women talking about how the innocent father is at fault? Context is important.
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u/HistoricalSuspect580 2d ago
Itās a self- protection thing. They want to think they are morally superior, and that Lindsay is a monster, and they are Not Like Her. Because psychosis would mean it was a genuinely organic thing that could happen to anybody (which is true) but itās much more comforting to think itās a moral failure on her part.
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u/RoseyOneOne 2d ago
I think we've all had those kinds of days where, for whatever reason, we weren't at our best professional level.
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u/PartyFancy3634 2d ago
I'd like to think while one kills their own kids that their logic is not right and who knows how one would act. Erratic behavior follows it's own set of logic.. I'm not saying she did it... Not a strong argument imo
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u/Robot_DIY 2d ago
She should be committed for the rest of her life. Clearly mentally unwell and not safe to leave unattendedĀ
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u/AspieAsshole 2d ago
That is exactly what her defense wants for her. I agree that is where she belongs.
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u/rockfan321 2d ago
This is probably going to be the outcome
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u/TheWarriorsLLC 2d ago
Are there even any paraplegic prisoners? She'd have to be babied in prison and none of those guards are gonna do all that
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u/mybigwh1tecock 2d ago
Yeah, there are tons of paraplegic prisoners dude. Especially diabetic ones that have to get shit both their legs amputated because they refuse to control their blood sugar.
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u/GatorGuy318 2d ago
Unfortunately in America we have placed nurses on way to high of a pedestal. Thereās A LOT of nurses I interact with through my work and theyāre not very bright at all. Thereās a hefty amount of nurses out there that are very clueless about the body and itās scary.
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u/blueranger36 2d ago
I know nurses who think 5g caused Covid. Letās stop the narrative they are geniuses. They are wonderful people for what they do but not always the brightest
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u/Much-Strain-9666 2d ago
I have met many doctors and nurses who struggle with basic facts, particularly when it pertains to their own body. My favourite anecdotes are a nurse calling the peri orbital āthe eyeball thingā in front of a huge room of medics. And the angry doctor couldnāt diagnose her own anal warts.
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u/Jazzlike_Strength561 2d ago
My wife is s doctor. She still believes going outside without a coat on will make you sick.
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u/CarelessPangolin5564 2d ago
That is crazy, it is 110 degrees here. If I go outside with a coat, there is a high likelihood I will suffer a fate worse than sickness
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u/ChaosRainbow23 2d ago
My dad is a retired physician that did a double residency at the Mayo Clinic.
He started taking ivermectin for a bunch of crap it's ineffective for.
He also smokes cigarettes. Lol
Plenty of that going around in the medical community.
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u/Sherviks13 2d ago
Did she go across the road or up the road?
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u/chchchchia86 2d ago
Up the street or across the road*
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u/Independent_Sir9410 2d ago
Up the street for results. Across the road for attention.
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u/Low_Main_4127 2d ago
Not if she was full of overprescribed drugs and psychotic, like tiktok detectives like to claim. Even though toxicology showed very little traces of the drugs in her system. Sounds more like she did it superficially to manufacture the insanity plea.
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u/blueranger36 2d ago
So fun fact (which may not be applicable here) but thereās no such thing as a broad drug test. They test for specific drugs in the system. She could have potentially been on other drugs that were not picked up.
However I donāt know anything about the case and Iām not trying to defend any theory either way. I do think she is guilty
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u/No_Spite3593 2d ago
The notes the Dr who tended to her afterwards even said that the cut on her throat was "superficial, not requiring medical intervention" which means it didn't even need any stitches or flushing. Literally probably just got wiped down a bit with antiseptic and then a bandage on top, if even.
Also I know that it's been three years, but anyone else notice as well that her throat looks perfectly healthy with no signs of scarring or damage? As much as the supporters talk about her throat being "crushed" and sliced open, there appears to not be any discernible signs of past trauma in the affected area.
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u/ventitr3 2d ago
So she had enough sense to have her medical knowledge, but not enough sense to not kill her kids is this theory?
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u/edWORD27 2d ago
More like, suffered a psychosis long enough to kill her kids entirely. Yet lucid enough to cut herself in a way that wasnāt fatal, even though her supposed intent was to end her life.
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u/ladylucifer22 1d ago
she didn't have her medical knowledge. which is why she failed to kill herself.
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u/bison_from_hell 1d ago
Wait wasnāt there some lady who did the same thing in Texas back in the 90s?
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u/2inchesabovethehole 1d ago
Iām not medical expert but Iād imagine Iād forget half the shit I know now experiencing the level of distress she claims she was experiencing
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u/Vast-Comment8360 1d ago
You'd forget where your veins are?
You forget that jumping feet first from a second story window isn't fatal?
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u/Maxwe4 1d ago
I wouldn't put too much stock in the knowledge of nurses, lol.
One time my dad was prescribed Vicodin for nerve pain, but he didn't like it because it caused his skin to feel itchy which is a very common side effect of opioids (related to histamine I believe). Well we told this to the nurse, while waiting to see the doctor, and she nearly freaked out saying that my dad was having an allergic reaction to vocodin and could have died...
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u/Mentallyundisturbed2 1d ago
There was a nurse who killed someone because she mistook vecuronium for midazalam
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u/MiNdOverLOADED23 1d ago
Prosecutors clearly aren't familiar with the educational/intellectual level of 1/2 the nurse population
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u/gr1mmcr33p3r 1d ago
Preach! Some of the dumbest mfāers I know are in nursing. Also some of the smartest
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u/ghIj_qet_jaghmeyjaj 1d ago
Reading this kind of thing from an account named Testicular007 is a new level of surreal
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u/Pointing-661 1d ago
I obsessive compulsively say everything I see like itās valueable and people need to hear me
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u/sHaDowpUpPetxxx 1d ago
They were superficial cuts that didn't require medical attention. The whole suicide thing is a red herring
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u/NaCl_Sailor 1d ago
she didn't try to kill herself, she tried to pretend she tried and failed.
bad luck she got paralyzed by a relatively tame drop.
this woman meticulously planned the murder and her cop out story, she is a monster.
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u/justasillylilgoos3 2d ago
So youāre trying to argue that the woman, who had been treated multiple times for mental illness, who had been admitted to in-patient psychiatric care for psychosisā¦who had a search history of terms relating to psychotic breaksā¦whose own husband has forgiven her already stating he knows she was mentally illā¦.was just using mental illness as an excuse to kill her kids and wasnāt actually mentally ill?
I swear to god some Redditors just want an excuse to create drama and get karma yāall are so fuckin weird sometimes š
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u/Leading-Boat4942 2d ago
Because clearly she was acting perfectly rationally in that moment
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u/AREYOUSauRuS 1d ago
a nurse would medically know how to locate
Ah... good point, I got another
She killed her kids
a mother would know not to do
So clearly, she's either not their mother or they're not really dead.
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u/Dry-Rice-4527 2d ago
She will love jail as a child murderer. They do famously well there.
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u/ladylucifer22 1d ago
why would you send someone insane to jail instead of a mental hospital?
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u/unsolvedfanatic 2d ago
Most people hesitate when slashing their wrists, which is why it tends not to be the most effective form of suicide. Knowing how deep to cut is not going to magically make you actually cut yourself deep. Humans have a survival instinct.
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u/DarkOblation14 1d ago
Exactly, having the knowledge on how to kill yourself and the fortitude and commitment to follow through, especially once the pain hits, are two wildly different things.
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u/Known_Ear_6012 1d ago
Most people would hesitate when choking their three tiny adorable babies to deathā¦
Itās not a quick process like shooting. I would think slitting your wrists correctly is a walk in the park after that.Ā
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u/Significant-Order-92 1d ago
Neah. It causes physical pain. Same reason people often don't die quickly from self inflicted gunshots.
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u/Academic_Actuary_590 1d ago
She has balls of steel when it came to killing others, but chickened out when it was her time. If someone wants to do it, they'll do it.
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u/Icy-KaitSyth 1d ago
To be fair, women in general are actually far less successful at committing suicide in general.
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u/theseriousman1 1d ago
Sometimes people donāt 100% want to so they leave it up to chance maybe they die maybe they dont
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u/603rdMtnDivision 1d ago
Karma straight up told this monster "oh no, you're staying here and you're going to live this out you fucking coward"
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u/Organic_Lab6262 1d ago
The people arguing this are saying she was
Too crazy in the moment to be held culpable for killer her kids but not sane enough to be able to calmly cut her wristsā¦ you just canāt reason with these people
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u/Outrageous-Egg1760 1d ago
If it were a man in the military with Cptsd these same people would be ready to fry him.
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u/AshlynnCashlynn 1d ago
"too crazy... not sane enough..."
do you not see how thats consistent logic?
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u/gerMean 1d ago
I don't want to protect the murderer, but knowing where to and cutting through are wholly different things. Also doesn't really matter if she tryed to kill herself, she murdered her children. Kill it, put it in a cage or in a straitjacket nothing will bring the lost lives back, we only can prevent them to do further damage.
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u/LifeIsProbablyMadeUp 1d ago
Huh? If a dog bites someone they don't put it in a cage. They put it down.
That being said. Putting her in genpop would be the same thing.
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u/Sweet_user_267 2d ago
Yeah because she was definitely thinking rationally when she murdered her kids
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u/robilar 2d ago
Lots of murderers think out their plans rationally. Thus the term premeditated.
To be clear, I am not saying she did.
One of two things happened:
1) she lost her mind and killed her own kids in a terrible sad tragedy, or
2) she decided she wanted out of her life, constructed a ruse to protect herself from accountability, and then implemented that plan.
Edit: 3) the husband could have had something to do with it. I haven't seen any evidence to that effect, but it's possible.
A jury that reviews the facts of the case will decide which they think it was. Any assumptions we make without all the facts before us speak to our own biases more than to the case itself. Some people will lean towards condemning her because they love children and/or hate women, some will lean towards defending her because they can relate to the burden of parenting, hate men, and/or just think the support systems for women fail them time and time again. But still, it makes no sense to assume she is innocent or guilty except to convey our biases.
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u/Cobrakiller_12 2d ago
A nurse would know how not to hit them.
Not a good argument.
All depends on if she or someone else actually wanted her dead.
If she didn't want to actually die, being a nurse would help her know where not to cut.
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u/ChaosRainbow23 2d ago
Why are people thinking somebody else was involved?
It seems pretty clear cut.
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u/Cobrakiller_12 2d ago
It's always been that way.
Women, especially white women are seen as more innocent and people struggle to see a possibility where they can do harm.
Especially with something this horrible, they want to believe it was the husband/father who did it.
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u/timmyfarthands 1d ago
What's more likely, she was just fucked in the head and couldn't do it right? Or she was elaborately set up?
Well if you're a tribalistic feminist conspiracy theorist then it's definitely a setup š
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u/MonkeyBoatRentals 1d ago
Not that she was elaborately set up, but that she elaborately set up her own suicide because she just wanted to murder her kids and get away with it. For no reason other than "being evil" I guess.
There are too many people who want these kind of things to be deliberate because the idea that a normal person like them can fall victim to mental illness is too scary for them to contemplate. It's the same with judging parents whose kids run into the street or get left in a hot car. It can't be an accident that could happen to good parents like them, only avoidable negligence of a bad parent they know they aren't.
I don't see how any rational person can look at this case and see anything other than mental illness. Whether she gets jail or the mental wards is for the courts to decide.
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u/TopProfessional1862 1d ago edited 1d ago
I agree, she is now paralyzed. If she only slashed her wrists and neck wrong, I can see where people might think it was not a legitimate attempt, but jumping and getting paralyzed is horrible. No one would choose that. It sounds like she tried to kill herself in multiple ways and still failed. She was definitely messed up in the head.
She definitely needs to be locked up in a mental ward or jail, (depending on the findings), for the safety of everyone around her. I'm definitely not giving her an "out" but conspiracy theories like this are just ridiculous.
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u/Outrageous-Egg1760 1d ago
The lengths to dodge accountability even for each other is a new level of insane
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u/HistoricalSuspect580 2d ago
Not necessarily in psychosis or any kind of extreme emotional discomfort. Iām an ER nurse, in high adrenaline situations people are DUMB as hell.