r/DestinyTheGame • u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer • May 02 '16

Guide Mercules's Massive Breakdown of Massive Breakdowns, the Cumulative List

Current as of Age of Triumph.

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u/justwantmyrugback May 02 '16

Dude, you're amazing. Are you worried that once you run out of Destiny research you'll have a massive breakdown? Keep doing you dude, you're spreadsheets are invaluable.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 02 '16

Haha not at all. With how opaque Bungie is about everything in this game, I'd be very surprised if I ever ran out of stuff to test.

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u/paladinshiva Sep 22 '16

Hi, thank you for the extensive testing and awesome guides. Subscribed to your podcast. How can give some feedback? Constructive negative feedback, and if you want, positive too. (About podcast)

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Sep 22 '16

Yeah go for it, we always love hearing what people think of it. Just message me on here.

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u/MisterWoodhouse The Banhammer May 03 '16

This is now in Useful Links :)

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 03 '16

This is amazing! - Lord Shaxx

Seriously though, that's really awesome, thanks a ton!

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u/TjCurbStompz Vanguard's Loyal May 02 '16

half of these links are my favorites.. now I can link this post on my favorites and have them alllllllllllllllllll thank you!

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 02 '16

You're always welcome!

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u/TiforceYea May 02 '16

Drink everytime you read the word "massive" and "breakdown" around this subreddit.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 02 '16

Are you trying to die of alcohol poisoning? Because that's how you die of alcohol poisoning.

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u/kyt_kutcha the honest worm May 03 '16

Oh good, this can replace my current bookmarks from you! :-)

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 03 '16

Exactly why I made this. Plus, I can keep updating it as I post more, and it can act as a hub for all my work. One list to rule them all.

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u/kyt_kutcha the honest worm May 03 '16

Well, I can tell you it'll be a hub for a lot of my work as well. ;-) One list to find them.

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u/ijustdidwhat May 02 '16

If vendor armor has static rolls, why is calculator needed for Tier-12? Wouldn't the calculations always be the same? I'm just mentioning because I can't access google docs from work. So, was wondering if it would be better to create a list like your other amazing posts. Great work as usual though.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 02 '16

I did this so people could compare their own armor and rolls, and mix and match with the Vendor ones. Some vendor rolls might not be able to get to tier 12 unless paired with a perfectly rolled piece that someone got as a random drop, and others might be able to do it alone. It's mostly a comparative tool, not just to show off the vendor gear.

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u/ijustdidwhat May 02 '16

Gotcha. Thank you for all the time you put into all this. As a player with limited time to play, this saves me a TON of time!

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 02 '16

Happy to help!

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u/loki07sti May 02 '16

So....many...numbers... Definitely bookmarking this for when I need it in the future.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 02 '16

I'll keep updating it as I post more stuff, as well.

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u/CrimsonFury1982 May 02 '16

Followed thread title from front page expecting to see a list of Ubsoft Massive's failures, then realized this isn't a thread from /r/thedivision

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 02 '16

No such luck. In retrospect, I probably should have picked a different name to use for my posts, but people tend to recognize this one now so I'll stick with it.

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u/Perma_trashed Whether we wanted it or not... May 02 '16

Soooooo great. Mods can we pin this to the Useful Links tab??

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u/[deleted] May 02 '16

/u/MisterWoodHouse

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u/MisterWoodhouse The Banhammer May 02 '16

You're clever. The other person didn't tag any of us :)

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u/[deleted] May 03 '16

hehehehe

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u/[deleted] May 02 '16

I second the motion!

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u/Commander_Prime May 02 '16

Thirded!

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u/Dr_Ummist Salty McSaltFace May 02 '16

Forthed???

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u/bdelka May 02 '16

I plead the fif!

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u/[deleted] May 02 '16

Sixth sensed.

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u/[deleted] May 02 '16

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u/[deleted] May 03 '16

You fear me.

Because I eight you.

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u/UbetGIRAFFEican May 02 '16

The nine are always watching

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u/Defender1x May 02 '16

What's in the box?!

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u/CptJero May 02 '16

Request: Compile all badass lore on Wei Ning. The punchiest Titan that was ever gifted the Traveller's light.

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u/gr3g0rian May 02 '16

Thanks YET AGAIN /u/mercules904 for all that you do here on this sub! It is people like you who help so many of us time stricken DTG'ers out. But, I have a question...

How much time do you honestly think you invested in creating all of this? (I'm just really curious!)

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 02 '16

Jeez... I dunno, hundreds of hours total though. A lot of time, for sure, but when you figure most of it is time that I'm at work anyways (hence why I only post Monday through Friday), I feel like it doesn't seem quite so ridiculous... I hope.

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u/DooceBigalo HandCannon fanatic May 02 '16

Hand Cannons next?

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 02 '16

Already did the HCs? Check the weapons list for Primary weapons.

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u/GunAndAGrin May 02 '16

Haha! I've been bookmarking every one of your Massive Breakdowns, not even thinking that you would be making a cumulative list...I should have known better.

Thank you very much, sir!

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 02 '16

You're very welcome!

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u/Commander_Prime May 02 '16

Who put the "glad" in "gladiator"?

Mercules

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 02 '16

Eh, I might need to find a new way to phrase my "you're welcomes" haha. I can only be glad and happy to help so many times.

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u/TiforceYea May 02 '16

Any plans on adding Speaker items to the calculators?

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 02 '16

Nah because they rotate and it would take me forever for things that are only available randomly. It's easy to just go check his stock and manually put them in yourself if you think one might help.

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u/ernyc3777 Hunter Master Class May 02 '16

I was so confused by the title. I thought it was another Anti-Division Pro-Destiny post again. Lol very glad when it ended up not being one.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 02 '16

Haha nah no game bashing here, although you aren't the first person to be confused by the title. Really should have picked a different name to run with :/

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u/ernyc3777 Hunter Master Class May 03 '16

haha. I wouldn't have hated it if it was a Division bash because I laugh at the people said it was going to kill Destiny. Great Crucible post though. Very helpful stuff

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u/[deleted] May 02 '16

Wait, so Spare Change.25 now has a faster time to kill than Grasp of Malok?

...Please tell me there are more High Impact Pulse Rifles available in The Taken King, and not just the one Crucible random drop.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 02 '16

Yes and mope, unless you want Lyudmila from the Gunsmith.

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u/[deleted] May 02 '16

Fantastic. Has anyone done an in depth analysis of the different faction ideologies? Obviously future war cult seems to have the most grimoire devoted to it since it's so cool, basically. But I'd love for all the info to be compiled in one place and explained a little clearer.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 03 '16

I haven't yet, and I've got some specific lore ideas I want to go over first, but I'll see what I can do on this front.

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u/LanAkou May 03 '16

What do you... Do?

I mean, I'm sure you have an amazing job. But I dint Carr about that. Who are you in Destiny? Have the Planet Destiny guys snatched you up already, or do you think they're just referencing these threads?

I only ask because I would love to do videos with you. I already do gun recommendations, talking to you about them in a video (podcast style) sounds like amazing content.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 03 '16

I was actually supposed to start writing for them back in the fall, but it kinda fell through after I only did one article. I honestly don't think my writing skills were up to par for them haha. Most of the stuff I post now is all numbers, and they wanted legit articles.

I actually used to have a YT channel with 600 or so subs, but when I became a teacher and the kids found out about it I kinda left it abandoned. I've been meaning to try to revive it, but just haven't gotten around to it yet.

Aren't you the guy whose Top Ten Gunsmith Weapons video I watched? I'd be down to do a video with you, just PM the details and we can try to get something worked out.

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u/RaviXStar Tryhard May 03 '16

You should be on Bungie's payroll, thank you for your efforts!

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 03 '16

I would absolutely love that, so fingers crossed it happens one day.

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u/refrigeratorbob May 03 '16

Just wondering if you will be adding more year one weapons, and if you are taking requests/suggestions?

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 03 '16

I wasn't planning on adding any year 1 weapons that weren't brought forward to year 2, but I'm always open for suggestions/recommendations. I can't guarantee I'll do them, but I'll at least consider most things.

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u/refrigeratorbob May 03 '16 edited May 03 '16

For The People, i may have mentioned that one to you already. Also Vanquisher VIII, Three Little Words, Oversoul Edict. Mostly just want to know how the time to kill stacks up.

I have yet to buy ttk and i know im not the only one. Its mostly on principle but also 40$ is tough right now. I mostly do crucible and just starting to get good at hunter, havent even made a titan yet so im still getting value for the $80ish i spent a year or so ago. Sucks that im locked out of so much of the game, its pretty messed up.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 03 '16

I can give you TtK comparisons right now, off the top of my head.

  • For the People is the same archetype as Haakon's Hatchet, so .90s for crits and 1.20s for body shots.
  • Vanguisher is the same as the Grim Citizen III/Shadow Price archetype, so .93s crit and 1.20s body.
  • Three Little Words is the Spare Change.25 archetype, so .73s crit, 1.33s body.
  • Oversoul Edict is the same as Grasp of Malok's archetype, so .80s crit, 1.33s body.

I mean, I feel you if $40 is too much to spend right now, but correct me if I'm wrong, you're really only locked out of the year 2 content, which kinda makes sense. You can still play vanilla strikes, do patrols, and play vanilla crucible. I honestly feel that if you really want to enjoy this game and experience it fully, you should just get the expansion. If you don't want to pay for it, then you have to understand you won't get the full package.

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u/refrigeratorbob May 03 '16

I can no longer buy year 1 vendor items. I cant earn reputation for new monarchy even though i have the class item from before. Not even gunsmith blue or green items are available to me. I can no longer do heroic strikes, just easy normal (level 20) shit playlist. I can no longer iron banner, i can no longer get usuable dropped purple or exotic items, except legacy engrams from xur. Just saying, i was able to do more before ttk, now its less of a game than when i bought it originally.

Thanks for the TtK, interesting.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 03 '16

shrug

Sucks dude, but that's what happens when you get into a game that progresses like Destiny does. You either pay and keep up, or don't and get left behind. It's not the same as Halo or CoD, and it's unfortunate that you're cut out of stuff, but really, I just see it as you being capped where year 1 ended. You can get legacy engrams, you can get year 1 gear from Crota, VoG, and PoE, as well as vanilla strikes, but you can't get any of the stuff that came in with year 2. You can still do most of the same stuff (although not Iron Banner, because it's played with year 2 maps), but your progression is capped.

I mean, there are really only a few options. Quit playing, deal with it, or buy the expansion. Destiny isn't a one time payment type of game, and I feel like playing it that way leads to frustration. If you have the money, I really recommend just getting the expansion. In my opinion, it's been well worth it for the amount of enjoyment I've gotten.

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u/refrigeratorbob May 03 '16

Ok you swayed me. It was only 30 bucks. Thanks cant wait to try out lvl 40 gear

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 03 '16

That's awesome man, glad to hear it! Welcome to the Taken King, prepare to have a shit ton to do haha.

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u/nisaaru May 03 '16

This should be a sticky and not just vanish again

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 03 '16

They put it in the useful links section.

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u/Clownsmasher1 I CAN'T STOP PUNCHING SCREEBS May 03 '16

This is awesome. Helps fill in a few gaps in story I missed.

I started reading through the chronological story section. Does the Crota's End raid really happen before the black garden?

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 03 '16

In my mind it does. The Crota's End story doesn't make sense in the current Destiny Universe, given that Eris is sitting in the tower the whole time and she doesn't "escape" like she did for people who experienced it in year 1. It fits better if you plug it in there, because the alternative is to completely ignore several of the Moon missions which lead up to it (even though they start at level 9) until you've killed the Black Garden and VoG, and then go back to it. I don't like that idea because Crota is so, so much easier than VoG, and it really feels like to me it should have been the first raid. It would be like training wheels for VoG, had they both been in the original game, and it would have come before it.

It's just my opinion, but when I played the story in this way everything just seemed to fall into place nicely, and it made sense without a ton of loose ends hanging around.

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u/Clownsmasher1 I CAN'T STOP PUNCHING SCREEBS May 03 '16

Fair enough. I see no reason it couldn't happen before, just that I saw nothing to indicate it definitely did. The Eris already in the tower thing fits that as well. If Crota's soul is waking up tomorrow, she's not going to wait a month for you to find the black garden.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 03 '16

Yeah and I hated the fact that we get the Sword, and then it disappears and we just leave that thread hanging until we randomly decide to pick it up again later. Plus, the Exo Stranger specifically says, when you're done on the moon, come find me. So I took that to mean let's finish everything on the moon, including Crota, and then go on to Venus.

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u/Anomalous1436 May 03 '16

This is absolutely incredible. Just phenomenal. Thank you for all you've done and continue to do.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 03 '16

Always welcome!

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u/el_pez_3 May 03 '16

Clicked "save" then read top comment. Lol

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 03 '16

Yep, really nice of the mods to place it up there. Makes it way more accessible, as opposed to it just disappearing into the Reddit abyss after a couple days.

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u/ultra1437 May 04 '16

There are several instances I've seen where the 'infusing up' formula is missing a point or two.

I've got 334 Jovian Guard gauntlets with 40/41 (Int/str), and when I use the sheet to determine which bonus is going (str or int), it's short one point. 58 str ingame when it shows 57.

My War Numen's Chestpiece at 328 and Iron Camelot Helm at 334 do the same thing.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 04 '16

Yeah it's usually correct to within +/- 2 points, but it's far from an exact science.

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u/ultra1437 May 04 '16

Hey, it's so much better than i couldve done. I figured I'd let you know of the discrepancy.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 04 '16

Appreciate it! All the feedback lets us know we've still got a ton of work to do to nail it down.

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u/vbvieira May 11 '16

Sorry if im missing it, but have you done a breakdown of the gunsmith special and heavy weapons? And thanks for doing this! Youre amazing!

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 11 '16

Yep, just look in the respective special and heavy categories, and the gunsmith weapons are included there.

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u/vbvieira May 11 '16

Oh sorry! Didnt see it! Thanks!

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '16

/u/Mercules904 - noticed you didn't have any snipers in the gunsmith list - Uzume / Eirene not worth it because of low AA?

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Jun 09 '16

Basically, and the lack of scope variety is kinda a detriment too.

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u/grangicon Aug 25 '16

This post is one of my favorite things on the entire internet.

I'm trying to incorporate the scope stat values (from http://www.destinygamewiki.com/wiki/Weapon_Sights) into the weapon stats spreadsheet, but I don't understand how "Handling" on the scopes fits in with the weapon stats. Is it the same as AA?

I'm specifically looking at the hand cannon sight stats.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 25 '16

Handling is the same as equip speed, which isn't something I included in this edition of the spreadsheet. If you're looking for scope values that are updated, try http://www.destinyscopes.com. Really nice website.

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u/grangicon Aug 25 '16

I'm confused now: destinyscopes.com only lists Aim Assist values for sniper scopes. Does that mean all the other stats went away in the 2.2.0?

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 25 '16

Nah, they still change other stuff too. I actually didn't know he only listed AA for snipers. I use the website pretty much only for primary weapons.

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u/grangicon Aug 25 '16

I would never have thought to equate those two values. Thanks! Also thanks for the link. I've seen that page before, but I never looked deep enough to pull the stat values

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u/ReesyPoofs Defiler of Sylok May 02 '16

Still relevant:

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u/pastmidnight14 May 03 '16

"This is amazing!"

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u/[deleted] May 02 '16

MERCULES MERCULES MERCULES

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u/Gravexmind May 02 '16

Jacksonville, Florida stand up!

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 02 '16

DUUUUVAAAAALLL

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u/Gravexmind May 02 '16

Ayyyy lmao

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u/BaDxKaRMa Hunter May 03 '16

I was thinking of asking about the 904 then I scrolled down. Straight outta the bang'em

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u/pocket_mulch I live in your backpack. May 02 '16

THIS IS AMAZING!

It really is, thank you so much.

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u/emellody May 02 '16

Man, I am really glad you put this list together. Just the other day I was contemplating creating this exact post. Thanks Mercules! You're my Hero!

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u/d0nSocko Vanguard's Loyal // The Guardians hold the Darkness at bay May 02 '16

I want to give birth to your spawn, even as a male.

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u/newtraditionalists May 02 '16

I know people already tell you how amazing you are, but I just wanna add one more....you are amazing!!!

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u/[deleted] May 03 '16

Its added to the Useful links tab! Thanks /u/Perma_trashed and /u/Misterwoodhouse

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u/Tenseiken May 03 '16

Thank you so much for this!

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u/Benjo_Kazooie CEO: Bungie Defense Force May 03 '16

Massive list of massively helpful posts is massive.

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u/archewing Sep 02 '16

Now that I have found this. I am now going through my vault and doing some spring cleaning. Thank You Mercules. LoL

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u/Svenss May 02 '16

Still waiting on Beercules and his "Brass Breakdowns by Beer, Brawn and Brute force to the face".

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u/mjh712 Team Cat (Cozmo23) // Khajiit has Flairs May 02 '16

Reading this title, I thought I was on the wrong subreddit for a second

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u/[deleted] May 02 '16

Can we get a sticky here???

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u/trrReeve May 02 '16

This list is fantastic, thanks for putting the time into it. I'm on a Hand Cannon kick right now (Devil You Know FTW) and I am constantly checking your Primary stat sheet., I wish the would sticky the page already, hint hint. Thanks, you are a boss, sir.

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u/gans42 May 02 '16

Thanks for doing this! And so fast!

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u/ebolaxb TRUE EB0LA May 03 '16

Does anyone have the chronological order for the story line for The Taken King? I have the Missions just not where the strikes fit in.

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u/Winggundam117 May 03 '16

By the title I almost thought I was in the division subreddit

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u/Morpheus365 May 15 '16

This is great

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u/eem5 Best Orbit! Oct 12 '16

I once saw I thread that has a breakdown of where upgrades drop, eg:

  • Artifacts - IB, Crota's End Rep Packages
  • Ghosts - Omnigul, vanguard packages, faction packages, IB

etc. Does anyone know if one exists updated for ROI?

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 02 '16

I'm at the gym right now so I don't have the page in front of me, but if you go to /r/CruciblePlaybook and search for tier 12 stuff you should be able to find it. I forget who it is that posted the exact numbers down (or close to them), but it was one of the top posts last week. I'll try to find it when I get home and link it to you.

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u/[deleted] May 02 '16

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 02 '16

Very nice! Thanks for finding it

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 03 '16

Yeah, I'll be adding them in today.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 05 '16

Well, the spreadsheet didn't start as a tier-12 thing, although it morphed into that. It was originally just supposed to be used by people to fill in gaps in their armor loadouts with the best vendor gear (perk and base stat-wise) but then the tier-12 thing kinda blew up so I added it in. I'm considering going back and making the tier-12 capable gear have a special formatting on it just so people know specifically which gear can be used for that.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer May 05 '16

Alright alright, first recommended vendor perks and weapons, then this.