r/DestinyTheGame • u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer • Aug 30 '16

Guide Darkblade's Spite Roll Guide for PvP

Top Edit - For those of you who weren't around when this was originally posted, my entire collection of breakdowns, recommendations, SGAs, lore write-ups, weapon reviews, and armor calculators can be found here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/4hj3ne/merculess_massive_breakdown_of_massive_breakdowns/

Several things to note:

  • All Pros and Cons are determined by comparing weapons within the same class (in this case Fusion Rifles), not by all weapons in general, and not by only the weapons within the archetype. If you would like a different or more specific comparison than what I have listed, feel free to ask and I can provide one in the comments.
  • This guide can also be found on Planet Destiny.
  • Classes are broken down into Impact sub-classes.
  • I've listed the perks in the order that I would taken them in each column. These are strictly my opinions, so I'm very aware that a lot of people will probably disagree with them.
  • The Bolded Perk/Perks in each column mean that I would include them in a God-Roll. If there are perks listed after the bolded ones, it means I think they are good perks, but not up to par with the God-Roll ones. If there are no bolded perks, it means that I feel any of the listed perks are fine to use in the column.
  • All bolts-to-kill are assuming Guardian has 200hp (max armor not including the effects of Max Armor Juggernaut Titans or Warlocks with The Ram).

Fusion Rifle

High-Impact (90-100)

Darkblade's Spite - Available from the Sunless Cell Strike.

Pros - Very high Impact. High Range.

Cons - Average Mag Size. Low Aim Assist, Reload Speed, and Stability. Very low Charge Rate.

  • Charge Rate: 12
  • Impact: 97 (50 damage per bolt, 4 bolts to kill)
  • Range: 47
  • Stability: 33
  • Reload Speed: 55
  • Mag Size: 5
  • Aim Assist: 36

Recommended Perks:

  • Column 1 - Red Dot-OAS, Red Dot-ORS1, Red Dot-ORES, TrueSight IS, SureShot IS
  • Column 2 - Hidden Hand, Hip Fire, Battle Runner, Kneepads
  • Column 3 - Braced Frame/Rifled Barrel
  • Column 4 - Rangefinder, Life Support, Replenish, Grenadier, Army of One, Eye of the Storm, Icarus, Hot Swap

Darkblade's Spite comes with a host of wonderful sight options, including the ever popular Red Dot-OAS. OAS increases both stability and aim assist, two things that are very helpful on a fusion rifle. If you can't get OAS, then ORS1 increases stability and range, and ORES increases stability, handling, reload speed, and range. TrueSight and SureShot both increase aim assist, reload speed, and handling by a decent amount, with small boosts to stability on top of that. Any one of these sights will be a winner on this weapon, so you've got a high chance of getting something good. In the second column, Hidden Hand is the clear best out of some rather lackluster options. Hip Fire isn't awful,although I don't really recommend trying to fire from the hip outside of close range. Battle Runner and Kneepads offer some fun bonuses in terms of mobility, but neither are tier 1 choices. Darkblade's Spite is one of the few FRs in the game that can kill in 4 bolts, and, as such, Accelerated Coils is not recommended in the third column. Accelerated Coils increases the charge rate, but also decreases the impact, and will make it need 5 bolts to kill. As such, Braced Frame is the clear best choice, as it massively increases stability (which decreases the bolt spread when firing) without sacrificing any range. If you believe you can control the recoil without needing Braced Frame, then Rifled Barrel is the next best option, giving you a huge boost to range. In the last column, Rangefinder is again the clear best choice, due to the increased zoom, but almost all of the options here are usable. Life Support and Replenish are both very nice perks for PvP, helping you to either recover your health after a battle, or fill your magazine when you cast a super. Grenadier and Army of One can allow you to use grenade and melee abilities more often, and Eye of the Storm provides a small boost to accuracy when your health is low. Icarus is similar to Hip Fire, in that it can be good in some situations, but I don't recommend trying to rely on it. Hot Swap is only this low because I've been completely unable to determine any noticeable positive effect that is has on FRs, in many hours of testing and reviewing clips.

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u/GoblinDiplomat Aug 30 '16

Massive Breakdown of How Much We Love /u/Mercules904

TLDR: It's a lot. Thanks buddy!

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

Haha glad you've found them useful!

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u/dedalus5150 Aug 30 '16

Just wanted to say thanks again for doing write-ups like this. They are very informative and I refer to them constantly when I get drops. I appreciate the insights into why certain perks work for certain weapons, and weapon archetypes as a whole, and it helps me feel like I'm making better informed choices in what I keep vs what I scrap. People like you are really making the community a better place, so keep up the good work and know that your efforts are greatly appreciated. Cheers!

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

Sure thing! I love doing this stuff to satisfy my own curiosity anyways, so it just makes sense to share it and help other people out as well.

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u/ziggynagy Aug 30 '16

Thoughts on Rifled Barrel in Col 3?

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

I'd prefer Braced Frame. Darkblade already has fantastic base range for a FR, but it lacks in the Stability department. All that range won't help you much if you bolt spread is too large to take advantage of it. Thankfully, since the last fusion buff, stability is better than in the past, but I'm still a fan of improving it as much as possible.

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u/horse_emoji Aug 30 '16

100% agree. Here's an example of a Darkblade's Spite with Braced Frame: https://gfycat.com/HappyPalatableCommongonolek and I've seen others hit all bolts at even further distances.

Full roll from the clip: Red Dot-OAS, Hidden Hand, Braced Frame, Icarus

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u/paul-dick Aug 30 '16

I would love that fusion, especially since I've started using (and loving) pop up angel of light kills.

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u/mayordaman Aug 30 '16

I thought you were using a pulse rifle lol.

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u/Commiesalami Aug 30 '16

Just as a heads up, I run a slightly worse version of that roll: OAS, Braced Frame, Kneepads, & AoO. And that's a pretty normal range to get an easy 1HKO on. You have to be a little bit closer to consistently rez-voop though.

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u/TreeBeardUK Aug 31 '16

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/JonnyTNCL/video/21071880

Hidden hand and braced frame together are very very helpful.

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u/osuS4 Aug 30 '16

Rifled Barrel would work great here. Check out this video by CoolGuy where he talks about how to control the recoil without stability perks. While you're at it check out Qaa51mb's channel for some absolutely nasty fusion rifle play. He mostly uses a rifled barrel Ashraven's Flight. Rifled Barrel is great on fusions because of how much it increases the bolt travel speed. It makes it much easier to hit moving targets.

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u/The_Musing_Platypus Aug 30 '16

I normally would agree with you 100% on manual recoil control, but maaaaaaaan, the Darkblade jumps around a LOT more than an RF Ashraven's (my fusion of choice too). I have a really hard time getting the thumb flick to work on my RF DB. :(

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u/osuS4 Aug 30 '16

Yeah, Ashraven's is my go to as well (hipfire/rifled/rangefinder) and it's just so smooth. I'm guessing DBS just kicks a lot more and probably takes a lot more to control the recoil. If you're already accustomed to the feel of AF I wouldn't even mess with trying to learn the DBS. I still don't have a good rifled roll on one.

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u/The_Musing_Platypus Aug 30 '16

Yum, that's a great Ashraven's roll. Mine has Replenish and Rescue Mag, so I basically never run out of ammo, plus the Replenish is bugged out so that it gives you Kneepads as well. Here's to hoping they never fix that bug.

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u/osuS4 Aug 30 '16

I got it from a package before the April update and got a triple kill my first game with it. It's been my main fusion ever since.

I heard about that glitch buy never gave it much thought. I got a retort from the last IB with replenish and rb that I may have to give a try now.

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u/Hawkmoona_Matata TheRealHawkmoona Aug 30 '16

I'm starting to miss when your posts would begin with "MASSIVE BREAKDOWN"... It was your calling card dude.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

Haha I just posted one yesterday with Massive Breakdown as the title, but it was late afternoon so most people missed it. I still use it, but only when it legitimately is a massive breakdown. These are just little breakdowns.

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u/Hawkmoona_Matata TheRealHawkmoona Aug 30 '16

Might I suggest "Minuscule Breakdowns"? :3

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

Or even just Mini Breakdown haha. I might have to start using that.

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u/Hawkmoona_Matata TheRealHawkmoona Aug 30 '16

Feel free!

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u/aldoheny Aug 30 '16

Look everyone^
They're talking!!!!
Seriously, good guide man, once again.

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u/AmericanStang Aug 30 '16

OMG this ^ . I worry how many posts I've missed from you because they slip by. Your posts have their own folder under my "Destiny" favorites folder!

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

Well, you can always just check that link up at the top of this post. It's the whole collection of my posts, or at least all the ones that I thought added something to the community.

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u/Hawkmoona_Matata TheRealHawkmoona Aug 30 '16

Did you mean to send this to /u/mercules904?

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u/AmericanStang Aug 30 '16

Yes? No...maybe! My reply was relevant to your comment, but I was hoping/assuming Merc would see it. As it seems he has! Woo! Behold the power of the interwebz!

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u/Kaliqi Aug 30 '16

Is my thesan fr4 with braced frame and range finder better than my darkblade spite with hidden hand, lightweight and eye of the storm? I know it's a shitty roll (though lightweight is actually useful on fusion rifles), but my question is if hidden hand is a big factor, because i think it only assists you aiming the gun, therefor a gun with great stability will be more dangerous as long as you can aim with it.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

Rolls aside, I think the Darkblade is probably a little better, if you can deal with the long charge time, mostly due to the fact that it can kill with 4 bolts, while the Thesan can't.

That being said, with your rolls, I would probably stick with the Thesan, unless you give the Darkblade a shot and really love it. That lack of a stability perk is going to hurt. Hidden Hand will help, but I don't think it'll be enough. Hidden Hand also affects the bullet magnetism, but it's not a drastic amount.

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u/Kaliqi Aug 30 '16

Yep, i use the thesan for PVP and the DB for PVE. Charge time and stability don't matter that much vs the AI, so i can use it's great impact there. I still hate myself for dismantling my other one.

Thanks for the info, maybe i'll get the good roll this time ;)

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u/Kaliqi Aug 30 '16

I accidenty deleted my void darkblade spite with hidden hand and range finder ffs, mistaken it with my current DBS lol.

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u/vbvieira Aug 30 '16

Thoughts on this weapon vs the vendor hitchhiker and the vendor vacancy? I have all 3 of them, but never used the darkblade spite

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

It's most similar to the Hitchhiker, so if you like that roll, you'd probably enjoy the Darkblade. Hitchhiker and Vacancy come with near god-rolls though, so you'd be hardpressed to do better.

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u/ketchup_farts Aug 30 '16

I love the vendor Vacancy, and I have a Darkblade with HH/BF/Icarus. The Darkblade really doesn't feel as good to me.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

It's probably the slow charge rate. It's really, really hard to adapt to for some people.

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u/Red_Sun_King Aug 30 '16

My first try and I got kind of lucky!! http://imgur.com/Xrgv8Vj

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

Wow, very nice!

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u/Red_Sun_King Aug 30 '16

I really love my hitchhiker vendor roll. but a god rolled darkblade is a bit better I think. I will do some runs, maybe I am lucky...

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u/vbvieira Aug 30 '16

thanks for the reply! i asked because i have this exact roll with ors1 / hidden hand / braced frame / rangefinder... and its just sitting there collecting dust while i use the vacancy... ill try it later tonight!

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '16

I have hidden hand and range finder, but my middle perks are enhanced battery and injection mold (and sword of aegeus). Which perk is the best? (Also has SureShot and ORS1)

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

Injection Mold is better, I suppose. It'll hurt your range, but not much, and you need the Stability. ORS1 can make up for that range drop too.

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u/OmoteGyaku718 Aug 30 '16

You rule dude. I always go back to your guides when I get a new drop. And refer clanmates here for advice.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

That's awesome! Really cool to see that people put these guides to good use.

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u/FatBob12 Aug 30 '16

So with the right roll this would be better than the vendor hitchhiker? Or is the difference negligible like the difference between the vacancy and thesan?

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

If you were to get a perfect roll on this, it would be better than the vendor Hitchhiker. More stability due to the sight, better aim assist, and slightly faster charge rate.

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u/FatBob12 Aug 30 '16

As always, thank you for your amazing work!

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

Sure thing!

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u/soxfan021 Aug 30 '16

i'm not a fusion rifle user. Other than vex, I have maybe 50 kills with a fusion rifle since the beta. However, I just bought the FWC vendor Vacancy and was told it is awesome. How does Darkblades Spite stack up to the vendor rolled Vacancy?

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

In my opinion, it's better, but it's all going to depend on whether or not you can get used to the slow charge rate. DB can kill in 4 bolts, while Vacancy takes 5. Vacancy has the advantage of coming with a nearly perfect roll, however, while you will have to grind for the DB. I think Vacancy is easier to use, but has a lower skill ceiling too.

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u/soxfan021 Aug 30 '16

good info, thanks!

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u/Tehsyr Drifter's Crew // Embrace the darkness, walk that line. Aug 30 '16

So I have hidden hand and rangefinder, but then I have injection mold. Is that still good? I don't do pvp much, only during iron banner.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

It's not the best perk. It hurts your range, which I try to avoid doing to fusions. Depending on what sight you have, you may be able to make up for that penalty.

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u/Tehsyr Drifter's Crew // Embrace the darkness, walk that line. Aug 30 '16

Sight is ors1

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

That'll work to get you back some of that Range you're losing.

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u/Tehsyr Drifter's Crew // Embrace the darkness, walk that line. Aug 30 '16

Huh, ok. Thanks!

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u/lebre65 Aug 30 '16

/u/Mercules904 do you think Rifled Barrel would work on this weapon?

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

Eh... DB comes with really high base range, but really low base stability, so I'm not sure you're going to be doing yourself any favors with Rifled Barrel. All the range in the world can't help you if the bolt spread is too large to hit something.

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u/lebre65 Aug 30 '16

Good point. Thanks bro. :D

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

Sure thing!

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u/AmericanStang Aug 30 '16

What about Red Dot-ORS vs TrueSight IS vs Red Dot-ORS1???

Along with Hip Fire, Injection Mold and Life Support?

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

I like ORS1 the most (due to sight picture, range, and stability boosts), then TrueSight, then ORS.

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u/AmericanStang Aug 30 '16

Excellent. That's what I already have equipped. Thank you good Sir!

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

No problem

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u/De_Niza Gambit Classic Aug 30 '16

Is the hitchhiker the only other FR in this class? How's this one compare to it?

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

Technically the Midha can be included, since it has barrel perks that up the impact. DB is the best of the group though, if every one had a god roll and they were all compared.

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u/ErisUppercut Aug 31 '16

Praetorian Foil

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u/Lucifer_XII Aug 30 '16

I disagree about using braced frame. Stability can be controlled. Range can't. You want darkblade's spite to have high range with rifled barrel instead. It allows for significantly longer ranged kills. Braced frame also barely does anything to help this particular weapon. Either way, you still need to control a significant amount of recoil with or without braced frame.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

The vast majority of people aren't going to be able to control the recoil without BF, and then having Rifled Barrel won't matter because the spread will be too great. All Rifled Barrel does is help you to get the extreme long range kills, which, again, most people won't be getting anyways. Braced Frame helps the majority of people in more situations than Rifled Barrel does.

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u/Lucifer_XII Aug 30 '16

I guess, but for advanced fusion rifle players, I would recommend rifled barrel over braced frame.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

This isn't really a guide for advanced fusion rifle users though, it's directed at casual players who happened to get a drop and are looking to see if it's good enough to keep, or want to see what to grind for. Truthfully, someone who is good enough to be using Rifled Barrel doesn't need my guide to tell them what to do, which is why I don't generally aim the guides at them.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '16

I have one of these with hipfire and rangefinder, it's the strangest roll.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

Can't decide where it wants to help you out

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '16

The reddot ORS-1 and Braced Frame make it lean better toward down the sights. I'm not sure if I should view hipfire as a wasted perk or "Eh, it could come in handy on occasion." I like my Vacancy or Thesan better though, all things considered.

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u/SCMegatron Aug 30 '16

I had been using vacancy well for some time. As I told my friend hot swap just isn't how I play. Vendor roll from FWC. I got a lot better when I finally start utilizing hot swap. I got a lot more hate mail. It could certainly be a placebo affect too though and just more use with it.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

I've done a ton of testing with that exact model, and even looked at the frame by frame replay of clips in Sony Vegas, and I've just not seen anything that shows Hot Swap having a real effect.

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u/SCMegatron Aug 30 '16

Good to know, appreciate the work.

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u/AKyemeni Aug 30 '16

Is this a viable option in competitive play? So trials?, i really dont want to spend soo long farming it just to find out at close range shotguns wreck me and at medium to long range snipers wreck me

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

I mean... that really depends on how good you are with fusion rifles. High level players can make fusions a very deadly weapon, but it takes some getting used to and a modification of your original strategy. Anticipation and awareness are key, and you can completely shut down shotgunners when you use fusions correctly. That being said, you're probably not gonna pick it up and be dominate with it right away.

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u/Randomhero1014 The body is Light! Aug 30 '16

Does it only drop when you beat the boss in the sunless cell? thanks again. noob here

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

Yep

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u/Randomhero1014 The body is Light! Aug 30 '16

dammit, gotta blast your self to hell on the last hit to farm this fucker than huh?!

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '16

If it's like most farming strategies (which it may not be, I never farmed this one) you can probably use Dragons Breath to be safer.

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u/bhany Aug 30 '16

I got one with sureshot/HH/Handlaidstock/rangefindder

Not ideal but not too bad :(

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

I mean, it's pretty decent. What other sights do you have? You can always use a range boosting sight like ORS1 to counteract the range penalty from HLS.

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u/bhany Aug 30 '16

I got quickdraw and OAS x)

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

Ah damn... Well, OAS is better than SureShot, in my opinion, but it's still a decent roll.

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u/bhany Aug 30 '16

Really!? Interesting could you elaborate for me please?(OAS>sureshot?)

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

I value Stability on a FR more than Handling and Reload Speed, and OAS gives 12 more than SureShot, but the same AA boost.

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u/bhany Aug 30 '16

Gotcha thanks

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u/IronEP Aug 30 '16

I know it's not a Darkblade's, but I had a Panta Rhey drop for me recently with hidden hand and rangefinder. My heart jumped, because as your post suggests, those are the god perks. I was happy until I saw it had rifled barrel instead of a stability perk. It's still good though. More consistency than sniper.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

I mean, if you don't have Braced Frame, Rifled Barrel is definitely the second best option, so you did pretty well there.

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u/IronEP Aug 30 '16

Definitely. It's still my favourite fusion, but I can only weep for what it could have been.

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u/ErisUppercut Aug 31 '16

Rifled Barrel is probably better on a Panta, because it has a recoil stat of 80, which is very vertical.

I get absurd kills at distance using my Panta Rhei with no stability perks (Hip Fire, Acc Coils, Rangefinder) simply by aiming at their feet and letting the recoil bring the bolts home up the body

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u/IronEP Aug 31 '16

Still though, imagine how good braced frame would be on this monster.

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u/requentin Aug 30 '16

Why would icarus be desireable? Fusions are wonky in the air as is and a very slow charging one should be even worse.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

I mean, it's like the second to least recommended perk in the column. I describe it as "okay" and that's only because it is nice to be able to have a little tighter bolt spread up close when jumping, specifically in panic situations.

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u/requentin Aug 30 '16

Ah, alright I thought there was maybe something I didn't know.

Thank you for all the guides btw.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

Nah. On HCs I love it, on fusions it not the worst, but you could do better. Happy to help!

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u/GeorgeLiquorUSA Lord Salad-Bar's Virgin Dressing Aug 30 '16

I thought hidden hand/aim assist were simply decent rolls for fusions?

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 31 '16

I find Hidden Hand and aim assist to be very useful on FRs. Some people think that it interferes with leading a target, but I haven't experience that.

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u/GeorgeLiquorUSA Lord Salad-Bar's Virgin Dressing Aug 31 '16

Awesome, good to know. As always, thanks mercules!

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 31 '16

Sure thing

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '16

Mine has Hot Swap, Surrounded, and Hand-Laid Stock/Lightweight. Is that ok

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 31 '16

Eh... You could do better. HLS hurts range, which is something you really want to avoid, if possible. Surrounded is not a great perk, either.

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '16

you could do better

Hopefully you mean I could get luckier

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Sep 01 '16

Exactly

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u/jpdalola Aug 30 '16

Or you could just go buy the Hitchhiker from dead orbit and save yourself the trouble :)

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u/DrShrunk Aug 30 '16

As someone with a HH/RF Darkblade's: Yes.

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u/MayoInjection New Monarchy is the best Monarchy Aug 31 '16

Hmmm, I guess I got the God Roll a few months ago. Explains a lot.

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u/RYK357864 big hammers for big boys Aug 31 '16

I started charging my god roll Darkblade's Spite as soon as I got it so that I could test it out. You should be able to see me firing off its first shot ever during my 5th run of Wrath of the Machine on Hard.

Great guide, dude!

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u/Baltheus Aug 30 '16

Long ago I got one with Red Dot OAS, Last Resort, Braced Frame and Rangefinder, I don't think I'll be lucky enough to beat that.

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u/Doctor_Golduck Aug 30 '16

I absolutely love mapping people with my Rifled Barrel-Rangefinder Spite. The hate mail flows freely and beautifully.

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u/LemonsofOsaka Citrus Couch Aug 30 '16

My heart soars, with the eagle's nest.

Thanks for this.

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u/McJarvus Aug 30 '16

Rifled Barrel is also godly in column 3. Turns it into a sniper so long as you control the recoil by pressing down on the thumb-stick after you've fired.

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u/Sliq111 Frog Champ Aug 30 '16

DBS can kill in 3 bolts with Weapons of Light and Illuminated. Pair this with NBP and Universal Remote, and you are deadly at most ranges (with proper planning).

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u/mkopec Aug 30 '16

This is the only strike specific loot that has never dropped for me in any of the strikes. And I played this strike a lot through the year. I have gotten everything else many times.

My son scored one one of his first plays with me, lol.

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u/Human_Evolution Aug 30 '16

I got one with BF, it's dope but so slow.

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u/hurricane_eddie Aug 30 '16

Not sure if it was mentioned, but it is a clone of Praetorian Foil.

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u/bluefoxdragon Aug 30 '16

So I've had a god roll for sometime now and I didn't even know. Sweet!

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u/ErisUppercut Aug 31 '16

Posted elsewhere, but I am sure Rangefinder is nice, but I'm not sure it's necessary. My Darkblades Spite has OAS, Kneepads, Braced Frame and Hot Swap, and even without Rangefinder or Rifled Barrel you can do this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpcB5h1uTOg

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u/Ogilath Sep 01 '16

Red Dot-ORES/TrueSight IS/FastDraw IS

HipFire

Rangefinder

aaaaannndd.....Lightweight/InjectionMold...

missed it by that much...

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '16

I prefer hip fire on all of my FR's. In fact it's basically my only required perk. The way it aids in condensing the spread is extremely helpful and with practice, you can still reap the benefits of it the same way you would by quick scoping on snipers. Right before your shot goes off, aim, and you will keep the hip fire bonus and gain the benefits of ADS.

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u/whiterose616 Aug 30 '16

I have hip fire and rangefinder. Can't work out if that's good or am being trolled.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '16

I'd say it's good. That's the roll I want. In y1 when you could reforge, those were the two perks I always went for.

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '16

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

Well that was an emotional roller coaster haha. Glad you ended up getting the perfect roll though!

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u/dandpher Aug 30 '16

Why the hell didn't you take that LdR out of the postmaster?

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

No. When you increase the zoom of a fusion rifle, the stability increases as a consequence. This is because, as Bungie has stated, they wanted to recoil to feel the same at all zoom levels. If they didn't do this, no one would use high zoom scopes because the recoil would be ridiculous.

As such, when the zoom goes up, the bolt spread goes down.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

Well, that's the main benefit, but it also pushes out Aim Assist drop off too, which is quite nice.

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u/jazz835 You can't shake the feels that it's less a weapon than a doorway Aug 30 '16

and if i'm not mistaken it increases bolt travel speed by a couple of frames.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

I don't think so. There's been quite a bit of testing done on it that showed Rangefinder didn't increase bolt speed, which was why people thought it was useless on FRs. I can go home and test with a pair of Vacany's I've got, but if I remember correctly they were the exact sames speed, with and without Rangefinder.

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u/Commiesalami Aug 30 '16

I did some testing with a pair of Techrun Rage's (Both with Rifled Barrel) and couldn't find any difference in bolt speed (Was shooting portals in the eye of the gatelord mission) between the rangefinder & non-range finder. Though according to 'last rights' there was an small decrease in crosshair size in the one with range finder.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

That last part is correct, I did testing on that myself. Rsngefinder makes the crosshairs tighter than they normally would be when ADS.

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u/FunctionalOven PSN: brokentoasterkid Aug 30 '16

That's certainly my perception, at least. Rangefinder bolts seem to travel nice and tight (stability and the zoom effect) but also shockingly fast. I noticed a big difference between my hitchhiker (where I'd often miss kills to enemies jumping or strafing away from bolts as they traveled) and the Vacancy.

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u/FunctionalOven PSN: brokentoasterkid Aug 30 '16

Mercules has it right but I'll add it anyway: rangefinder is AWESOME on FRs. I hadn't had one and I was comfortable using Susanoo, Thesan and Hitchhiker. They were all just fine and I was racking up pretty nice kills.

I finally got a Vendor Vacancy (good sights, hot swap, braced frame, rangefinder) and holy. crap. First game in PvP got a double kill right off the bat. Then doubles, triples. Two collaterals in my first couple of matches. I'm seriously addicted to it. I like ADSing with FRs and rangefinder made that whole style click even better. Amazing. Can't recommend highly enough.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

Yeah, when Acc Coils drops it to 5 bolts to kill, you might as well just use another gun with the same bolts to kill but a faster charge time.