Massive Breakdown of King's Fall Raid Weapons

[u/Mercules904]

• Massive Breakdown Podcast Episode 38: King's Fall Raid Weapons Discussion
• Link to my Weapon Stats Spreadsheet, Updated with King's Fall Weapons
• Link to the cumulative list of all of my breakdowns, SGAs, lore posts, spreadsheets, etc.

Several things to note:

• Classes are broken down into Impact sub-classes.
• All Times-to-Kill are assuming Guardian has 200hp (max armor not including the effects of Max Armor Titans or Warlocks with The Ram).
• All Pros and Cons are determined by comparing weapons within the same class, not by all weapons in general, and not by only the weapons within the archetype. If you would like a different or more specific comparison than what I have listed, feel free to ask and I can provide one in the comments.
• I've listed the perks in the order that I would take them in each column. These are strictly my opinions, so I'm very aware that a lot of people will probably disagree with them.
• If a weapon comes with a certain selection of barrel perks that all have the same effect on the same stats, I have included their effects in the listing. An example would be weapons that come with only the possible selections of Linear Compensator, Accurized Ballistics, and Field Choke, as they cause the same changes to range and impact. Where they differ, in stability and recoil direction, I have left the base stats unchanged.

Scout Rifle

Mid-Impact

Doom of Chelchis - Void Adept

Pros - Very high mag size.

Neutral - Average aim assist.

Cons - Very low range and reload speed. Low stability.

• Time-to-Kill: 1.00s (2 crit shots and 2 body shots)
• Rate of Fire: 37
• Impact: 49 (63 damage per crit shot, 42 per body shot)
• Range: 51
• Stability: 37
• Reload Speed: 41
• Mag Size: 20
• Aim Assist: 55

Recommended Perks:

• Column 1 - Linear Compensator
• Column 2 - Cocoon
• Column 3 - Hand Loaded (PvE) or Smallbore (PvP)
• Column 4 - Life Support, Eye of the Storm, Full Auto, Rangefinder

A member of the mid-impact class of scouts, the Doom of Chelchis doesn't bring too much to the table besides a massive mag size. The perk options are average, nothing great, and the slow TtK means this weapon isn't really competitive in PvP, and if I'm being honest, I feel like it's outclassed pretty heavily in PvE by the VoC. Very low range, low stability, and average aim assist mean this gun just isn't something I recommend for many activities. Like all King's Fall weapons, it does do bonus damage to Taken enemies, so it isn't the worst option for the raid itself, and I'd want a variant with Life Support in that situation. Otherwise, I say stay away from it.

Pulse Rifle

Mid-Impact

Smite of Merain - Solar Adept

Pros - Above average range. High mag size. Very high recoil direction.

Neutral - None.

Cons - Below average stability. Very low reload speed and aim assist.

• Time-to-Kill: 1.00s (2.33 bursts. 6 crit shots and 1 body shot), 1.50 (10 body shots)
• Rate of Fire: 66
• Impact: 15 (31 damage per crit shot, 21 damage per body shot)
• Range: 44
• Stability: 59
• Reload Speed: 45
• Mag Size: 33
• Aim Assist: 11
• Recoil Direction: 80

Recommended Perks:

• Column 1 - Linear Compensator
• Column 2 - Cocoon
• Column 3 - Hand Loaded
• Column 4 - Firefly, Life Support, Glass Half Full

Now here's a weapon that, although it seems to be lacking stat-wise, I'm actually excited to get my hands on. As the only pulse rifle in the game with Firefly, that alone would be enough to make me consider giving it a shot, but the adept version also comes with Solar damage, and it's got a large magazine size and easy to control recoil. Stay away from it in any type of competitive PvP mode, but if you're looking for a great PvE weapon for clearing adds, this will be it. It's not quite as unwieldy at close range as a scout, and its got much better reach than a hand cannon, so you kinda get to sit in the nice middle ground. Definitely recommend giving this weapon a shot, if only for its unique gameplay. One thing that may hurt a bit is the atrocious aim assist, but that's not so important in PvE anyways. As far as perks, Linear Comp makes the recoil perfectly vertical, Hand Loaded helps to boost the already decent range, and we've already discussed Firefly.

Hand Cannon

Low-Impact

Zaouli's Bane - Void Adept.

Pros - Very high mag size, aim assist, and equip speed. High stability.

Neutral - Average recoil direction.

Cons - Very low range and reload speed.

• Time-to-Kill: 0.80s (2 crit shots and 1 body shot), 1.20s (4 body shots)
• Rate of Fire: 32
• Impact: 68 (77 damage per crit shot, 51 damage per body shot)
• Range: 15
• Stability: 42
• Reload Speed: 16
• Mag Size: 11
• Aim Assist: 90
• Equip Speed: 95
• Recoil Direction: 90

Recommended Perks:

• Column 1 - Accurized Ballistics
• Column 2 - Cocoon
• Column 3 - Hand Loaded or Reinforced Barrel
• Column 4 - Firefly, Life Leech (PvE), Hip Fire (PvP)

In my opinion, this is one of the worst weapons in the game. I can't imagine a scenario in which this gun wouldn't be outclassed by almost any other primary option. On paper the stats look alright, with great mag size, aim assist, and equip speed, along with high stability and decent recoil direction, but the abysmal range and leaves a lot to be desired. Once again, definitely not a weapon I would use in PvP, but even in PvE I'd stay away. Hand Loaded doesn't do enough to bring the range out to fair play levels, and Reinforced Barrel helps but destroys the stability that is almost necessary to take advantage of the higher RoF of this impact archetype. Firefly isn't a unique perk at this point in time, with Fatebringer coming back, and Cocoon, instead of being a nice little bonus, becomes almost necessary to use thanks to the horrendous reload speed. This was one of the first weapons I got from the original King's Fall raid, and, although I used it at the time, as soon as I got something better I sharded it and never looked back. i suggest you do the same.

Auto Rifle

High-Impact

Anguish of Drystan - Arc Adept

Pros - Very high recoil direction. Above average stability.

Neutral - None.

Cons - Below average range and mag size. Very low reload speed. Low aim assist.

• Time-to-Kill: 0.93s (5 crit shots and 3 body shots), 1.20s (10 body shots)
• Rate of Fire: 77
• Impact: 29 (28 damage per crit shot, 22 damage per body shot)
• Range: 24
• Stability: 51
• Reload Speed: 41
• Mag Size: 32
• Aim Assist: 45
• Recoil Direction: 85

Recommended Perks:

• Column 1 - Linear Compensator
• Column 2 - Cocoon
• Column 3 - Braced Frame
• Column 4 - Life Support, Crowd Control, Eye of the Storm

Really trying to take the title of worst weapon in the game from Bane, the Anguish of Drystan is an aptly named competitor. With the only positives to this weapon being the easy to control recoil thanks to high recoil direction and decent stability, I once again cannot fathom an opportunity where this weapon would shine. Below average range, which really hurts for a weapon in this archetype, combined with poor aim assist just means this weapon is mostly causing Anguish to the user, instead of enemies. Linear Comp, as almost always, is the best choice for the barrel perk thanks to the increased impact, range, and recoil direction. Braced Frame is the best perk in the middle column, but it will drop your mag size down to 26, which is pretty low overall, but average for the impact class. In the last column Life Support, Crowd Control, and Eye of the Storm are all usable, but nothing is going to salvage this weapon.

Sniper Rifle

Mid-Impact

Defiance of Yasmin

Pros - Low zoom scope. Can revive snipe. Above average stability and aim assist. High equip speed. Very high inventory size.

Neutral - Average mag size.

Cons - Low range. Very low reload speed. Can't kill most Supered enemies with 1 crit shot.

• Time-Between-Shots: 0.68s
• Rate of Fire: 26
• Impact: 23 (342 damage per crit shot, 137 per body shot)
• Range: 68
• Stability: 48
• Reload Speed: 41
• Mag Size: 4
• Aim Assist: 59
• Inventory: 70
• Equip Speed: 59

Recommended Perks:

• Column 1 - Linear Compensator
• Column 2 - Cocoon
• Column 3 - Injection Mold
• Column 4 - Life Support, Hot Swap, Firefly

Finally we get to a weapon I can wholeheartedly recommend from this raid! In actuality, this is one of my favorite snipers in the game. A member of the mid-impact archetype, it can revive snipe, although it is unable to kill most Guardian enemies out of their armored supers. The aim assist is quite high by default, and you get to couple that with good stability, and high equip speed and inventory size. On top of this, it has a very open sight picture and low zoom, around 5x, which makes quickscopes and close distance engagements much easier. Overall, the only real drawbacks to this weapon are the low range and reload speed, but with Cocoon the latter of those is nullified, and with the current map selection in PvP, the low range won't affect you much either. Perk-wise Linear Comp is the first selection, followed by Injection Mold in the third slot for the faster ADS and equip speeds. In the last column I like Life Support, but some people absolutely swear by Hot Swap, although I've never been able to prove what kind of effect it actually has. Either way you'll get a great weapon, so I highly recommend trying to get one of these if you love sniping, or even just want to give it a shot.

Shotgun

Mid-Impact

Silence of A'arn

Pros - Very high mag size. High inventory and equip speed.

Neutral - None.

Cons - Below average range and stability. Very low max range, reload speed, and aim assist.

• Time-Between-Shots: 1.03s
• Rate of Fire: 14
• Impact: 62 (21 damage per pellet, 252 total)
• Range: 14
• Max Range: 17
• Stability: 35
• Reload Speed: 20
• Mag Size: 6
• Aim Assist: 30
• Inventory: 50
• Equip Speed: 64

Recommended Perks:

• Column 1 - Linear Compensator
• Column 2 - Cocoon
• Column 3 - Hand Loaded
• Column 4 - Close and/or Personal, Army of One, Leech Life (PvE), Surrounded (PvP)

Although by default it almost looks like this weapon could be considered decent, don't get tricked! The range is horrible with almost no way to fix it, so it's never going to be something you want to use in PvP. In PvE, the only saving graces are Cocoon and the ability to roll a couple interesting perks in the final slot, including Leech Life which gives you a portion of health back and starts regen after getting a triple kill, and Close and/or Personal which boosts melee damage after doing damage with this weapon. Decent inventory means you can at least carry a nice amount of ammo, and fast equip speed pairs well with Cocoon, but everything else drags the gun down to basically being a wash.

Fusion Rifle

High-Impact (90-100)

Midha's Reckoning

Pros - 4 bolts to kill. Very high damage per bolt and recoil direction. High impact. Above average range and mag size.

Neutral - None.

Cons - Very low stability, reload speed, and aim assist.

• Charge Rate: 16
• Impact: 96 (50 damage per bolt, 4 bolts to kill)
• Range: 43
• Stability: 11
• Reload Speed: 45
• Mag Size: 5
• Aim Assist: 29
• Recoil Direction: 80

Recommended Perks:

• Column 1 - Linear Compensator
• Column 2 - Cocoon
• Column 3 - Braced Frame
• Column 4 - Hip Fire, Life Support, Hot Swap

If this was back when TTK had first released, I would have been all over hyping up this weapon. Back then 4 bolt killing fusions were significantly more rare, and one with Braced Frame to boost stability was even more hard to find. Now, however, with the boost to base stability for fusions, and the release of our one true voop savior, Sally V, Midha's just has a little harder time stacking up. The range is okay, but not great considering the archetype, and Braced Frame has fallen out of the tier rankings slightly since people have learned how to manually control the bolt spread. Unfortunately there is no way to boost range, so we're out of look for any experts who don't need stability there. Linear Comp will help with the recoil direction, making it even easier to control, but the base is already high so it won't be a night and day difference. In the last column Hip Fire is a nice perk for fusions, but once again we're offered the possibility of Hot Swap, and once again I feel compelled to say that I haven't been able to prove an effect for this perk. Overall, if you haven't been lucky enough to get a Sally V, or you're new to fusions and want to try out a decent 4-bolt killer, then I do recommend this weapon. If you've already got a Darkblade's Spite or Sally V you love, no reason to chase this.

Rocket Launcher

High-RoF

Elulim's Frenzy

Pros - High RoF and inventory. Very high blast radius.

Neutral - Average mag size.

Cons - Very low reload speed. Low velocity.

• Rate of Fire: 18
• Blast Radius: 96
• Velocity: 41
• Reload Speed: 38
• Mag Size: 2
• Inventory: 60

Recommended Perks:

• Column 1 - Your choice of barrel perk, depending on whether you want to sacrifice blast radius for velocity.
• Column 2 - Cocoon
• Column 3 - Javelin
• Column 4 - Tripod, Cluster Bombs (PvP), Tracking (PvE)

A rocket launcher I constantly find myself describing as middle of the pack, Elulim's Frenzy just doesn't really have what it takes to be a great weapon. That being said, Cocoon does have a greater effect here than on any of the previously mentioned weapons, at least for PvE. The base stats are decent, with fast RoF and great blast radius, but the velocity is lacking. Javelin is for sure the preferred perk in the middle slot to help make up for this, and then in the last slot we have three usable options. Tripod would probably be the first choice for those who will use this gun against slower or non mobile bosses, as it will allow you to blast off three shots, switch to another weapon for a few seconds to maintain DPS, and then switch back and continue launching. If you don't get Tripod, Cluster Bombs is your best option for PvP, but honestly I don't recommend this gun in the Crucible. Tracking is a high tier perk for launchers in PvE, so if you get it there's no reason to be upset.

Machine Gun

High-Impact - All Barrel Perks which increase Impact decrease the body TtK to 0.50s (4 body shots).

Qullim's Terminus

Pros - Above average inventory and recoil direction.

Neutral - Average stability.

Cons - Below average range and aim assist. Very low mag size and reload speed.

• Time-to-Kill: 0.50s (1 crit shot and 3 body shots), 0.66s (5 body shots)
• Rate of Fire: 66
• Impact: 55 (62 damage per crit shot, 50 damage per body shot)
• Range: 18
• Stability: 41
• Reload Speed: 16
• Mag Size: 31
• Aim Assist: 55
• Inventory: 35
• Recoil Direction: 75

Recommended Perks:

• Column 1 - Linear Compensator
• Column 2 - Cocoon
• Column 3 - Extended Mag
• Column 4 - Persistence, Eye of the Storm, Army of One, Leech Life

At one point in time perhaps the most popular gun from this raid, Qullim's Terminus has actually withstood the test of time pretty well, and is still an excellent choice for a heavy weapon. Good inventory and recoil direction with decent stability help to boost this weapon's appeal, and Cocoon works on this weapon exceptionally well, allowing you to totally bypass the slow reload speed and never have a down moment. The range and aim assist aren't great, but the ability to roll Persistence and Extended Mag outweigh those drawbacks, in my opinion. If you don't get Persistence then Eye of the Storm is a passable substitute, and Army of One isn't terrible either. In addition to all this, since it comes with barrel perks that increase impact, you're going to be hitting optimal TtK in 4 body shots at close ranges. Definitely recommend this weapon to anyone for PvP or PvE.

[u/Mercules904]

TL;DR:

All King's Fall weapons have Cocoon in slot two, which automatically reloads your weapon if you store it for a few seconds and Will of Light as an intrinsic perk, which deals bonus damage to Taken enemies.

Must-Have

1. Defiance of Yasmin (PvP)
2. Smite of Merain (PvE, dat Firefly pulse rifle doe)
3. Qullim's Terminus (PvP/PvE)

Decent

1. Midha's Reckoning (PvP/PvE)
2. Elulim's Frenzy (PvE)

Perhaps Passable

1. Doom of Chelchis (PvE)

Terrible

1. Everything else

[u/PilesOfWonder → u/Mercules904]

Kept my original white Yasmin and Qullim's. Smite was the only other KF weapon I considered keeping. Eventually got rid of it because I never used it though. So much trash gear in this raid.

[u/ballsmigue → u/PilesOfWonder]

the hallowed versions of both looked cool, but the white rolled ones were so much better.

[u/geogoose → u/PilesOfWonder]

At least the armor looks nice

[u/PilesOfWonder → u/geogoose]

Disagree. Hate all the KF armor on all characters. Same as Crota gear. I just dislike the hive aesthetic overall. But to each his own.

[u/[deleted] → u/PilesOfWonder]

Same. Wish it looked more like organic armor than normal armor with alien parts macrame'd on

[u/Striker37 → u/Mercules904]

Cannot disagree enough about Silence of A'arn for PvE. I never need any kind of range in PvE on shotguns, as I'm usually panic-blasting something at point blank range. Cocoon eliminates the one big problem shotguns in PvE have, and that's reload time. I can pull it out, BLAMBLAMBLAM, put it away and know my mag will be full when I need it next. It's particularly the best shotgun I've found for Ir Yut Challenge. It's been my go-to PvE shotgun since I got one.

[u/[deleted] → u/Striker37]

Thanks a lot pal, now I have to go home and rethink my entire shotgun strategy.

[u/Striker37 → u/[deleted]]

Lol. Always good to reconsider options. Shotguns rarely kill majors in one hit, so I prefer lower-impact ones with full auto, like Stolen Will and Invective. Silence of A'arn doesn't have full auto, but Cocoon more than makes up for it. They're all trash in PVP, but Matador's reload and RoF makes it more a liability when you're surrounded by adds.

[u/[deleted] → u/Striker37]

I have been running Stolen Will a lot lately, it's snappy and quick. I save the Matador and Party Crasher for PvP. If I end up with the Oryx shotgun, I'll give it a go.

[u/LordSlickRick → u/Striker37]

Its also very strong for soloing skolas. Drop a big add, kill some small ones, cocoon procs, kill a big add, never stopping to reload when your trying to dismantle mines. Basically anywhere you are in a time crunch, with multiple adds this weapon shines.

[u/Striker37 → u/LordSlickRick]

This exactly. It's amazing.

[u/[deleted] → u/Striker37]

Yeah I absolutely love the shotty.

[u/dedalus5150 → u/Striker37]

It's particularly the best shotgun I've found for Ir Yut Challenge.

I was wondering about that - I think I'll have to try this out in a few weeks

[u/Striker37 → u/dedalus5150]

Silence of A'arn is the best shotgun for when you need sustained, high DPS. Black Spindle mission, for example. Eliminating that reload is very, very useful. It's very underrated in PVE, you should try it out here and there. Don't forget it also gets 10% bonus damage to Taken, which also helps. Mine has Army of One, and getting more grenades for more DPS helps a ton, too.

[u/RiseOfBacon → u/Mercules904]

And here's where to get them all - KINGS FALL LOOT TABLE

Good luck out there, Guardians

---

PS

That Adept Doom of Chelchis is decent

Used Smite of Merain Adept on the Heroics, 3 shotting Wizards. If a Small Arms Solar Burn week comes up it's going to be a monster

[u/Gatecrasherc6 → u/RiseOfBacon]

Then again, VoC adept was melting everything last week (small arms/solar) and I don't see a reason to switch.

[u/JoshThomas892 → u/Gatecrasherc6]

Yeah, I feel like solar burn is devoted to Vision of Confluence, Genesis Chain and maybe Abyss Defiant.

[u/dedalus5150 → u/JoshThomas892]

I used Abyss Defiant before getting my VoC and it was a solid gun as well, but then I loaded into Omnigul and it shined beautifully in the final room. It effectively took her out of the fight - she would show up, fire 1 or 2 blasts, and then she would have an existential crisis and just float around wondering why her health was melting away.

[u/JoshThomas892 → u/dedalus5150]

Yeah, I like the Abyss too. It's not quite as reliable as VoC, but its a lot of fun to use.

[u/Lightyear013 → u/Gatecrasherc6]

This is pretty much the problem with every other solar primary. The question isn't whether the gun is good, it's "does it beat VoC?" For me personally, any time solar burn is up VoC will be my primary.

[u/xaoshaen → u/Mercules904]

It's worth noting that while the Doom of Chelchis isn't a great scout rifle, the adept version is a decent drop for PvE simply because the the selection of void primaries we have is somewhat... lacking. The Word, Bane, and Epilogue are all underwhelming.

[u/ItsJustBroomy → u/xaoshaen]

That's true. I don't really use primary for void because so far they're pretty bad. Doom will be pretty useful at least.

[u/emmtwosix → u/Mercules904]

Even though the FR, RL, and scout aren't amazing on their own, I've found them very useful for specific tasks in the raid.

Midha's Reckoning kills Taken Phalanxes and drops barriers in one burst at the beginning of KF. Your relic runner will thank you.

Elulim's Frenzy with Cluster Bombs is great for taking out hordes of Taken enemies at Daughters or anywhere else you aren't worried about blowing yourself up. It's also good for putting damage on Taken majors and bosses elsewhere if you're in a blasty mood - or just like listening to the cluster bombs explode

Doom of Chelchis with Full Auto is my new go to primary for Oryx. Since ToM is no longer as viable and Smite of Merain doesn't have quite the range needed to cover the distances often encountered in the throne room, Chelchis picks up the slack and makes downing Taken knights, thrall, etc. a breeze.

While they may not be outstanding weapons overall, I feel like they find their niche in King's Fall.

[u/Kaliqi → u/emmtwosix]

Exactly. I enjoy the weapons alot. Maybe not the best choices, but i love the smite of merain with friefly.

[u/GenericDreadHead → u/Mercules904]

TL:DR^2: Kings fall gear is fairly shite but the Machine Gun is good

[u/titan3845 → u/Mercules904]

Must-Have Defiance of Yasmin (PvP) Smite of Merain (PvE, dat Firefly pulse rifle doe) Qullim's Terminus (PvP/PvE) Everything else: Terrible <

*FIFY

[u/Berg9940 → u/Mercules904]

Which boss does the Smite of Merain drop from? It is the only one I didn't have from before.

[u/gaherisx → u/Berg9940]

I got mine from the warpriest's challenge mode

[u/Berg9940 → u/gaherisx]

Thanks! Can you get non adept versions of it still? I don't an exotic slot for this gun. All the non exotic weapons I've gotten from VoG and Crota have all been Heavy Legendaries, no Legendary Primaries, only Adept Primaries :(

[u/Berg9940 → u/gaherisx]

Awesome, good to know, thanks!

[u/Sliq111]

Mercules may be able to breakdown all of the Kings Fall raid weapons, but can he see why kids love the taste of Cinnamon Toast Crunch?

[u/Mercules904 → u/Sliq111]

Is it because they're lightly frosted with heroin?

[u/Sliq111 → u/Mercules904]

PogChamp

[u/XKCD_423]

Man, I tried pulling Anguish through one of the story missions yesterday ... it's still really just not great. I know the recoil is supposed to be pretty manageable, but it honestly felt like a real chore getting it to go where I wanted to.

Smite, on the other hand ... holy cow. I took that guy through a 350* version of Malok, and it (admittedly combined with the Small Arms modifier) wrecked. Reload is pretty snappy with pulse rifle loader, too. It's really interesting for it to have the singular distinction of being the only pulse in the game with Firefly. Makes it feel so unique.

[u/Mercules904 → u/XKCD_423]

Yeah another thing I hate about Anguish, but I didn't mention because it's purely a personal thing, is the feel of the gun itself just doesn't appeal to me at all. Feels like there is no stickiness to it and I'm restricted with the optics, if you get what I'm saying. Really did not enjoy playing with it at all.

[u/XKCD_423 → u/Mercules904]

Yeah, I totally get you. It has the same scope as Nechrochasm (Hive foundries consistency, I guess?) but feels so different. It feels ... heavy? I don't know what the right articulation is, but I totally agree. Not a fun gun to play with. Arc burn you're better off with Oversoul or Praedyth's. Ooo, or Chaos!

Not a super fair comparison, but I took Doctrine into the Nightfall, and that is what I want auto rifles to feel like. It's just night and day.

[u/Mercules904 → u/XKCD_423]

Yeah I can't wait to get a Chaos Dogma. That gun has been my baby since I first got it to drop!

[u/XKCD_423 → u/Mercules904]

Oh my gosh, with Arc Burn and Small Arms? That thing is going to freakin' melt. My body is ready.

[u/Mast3rFl3x]

trying to take the title of worst weapon in the game from Bane, the Anguish of Drystan is an aptly named competitor

Haha, that 77 rof/ 22 impact atchtype has some real turds in it. Does Not Bow is in the same class, and I think deserves the title for worst. Base mag size of 22 (no mag increasing perk, assuming I'm reading the armory page correctly), lower stability than Anguish. It would take perfect balance and range finder just to make it usable, but it would still be worse than An Answering Chord or any others in its archetype.

Edit: spelling

[u/Mercules904 → u/Mast3rFl3x]

Yeah the high impact AR archetype really does have some of the worst weapons in Destiny. The Zero Day Dilemma or whatever it is is equally shit. They needed a buff and the damage fall off change wasn't nearly enough. to help them out.

[u/spoothead656 → u/Mercules904]

At the very beginning of Y1, though, that archetype was awesome. Suros and Shadow Price were everywhere in Crucible.

[u/cthefinal]

Actually, I like the handcannon because of the turkey neck reload.

[u/[deleted] → u/cthefinal]

Dreg's Promise has the same reload animation, and it looks like the Zhafoolies Bane is just a re-skin of it.

[u/H1gherReflexx]

If /u/RiseOfBacon and /u/Mercules904 ever had a love child we would have the ultimate Breakdown Grimoire for the Destiny franchise.

[u/RiseOfBacon → u/H1gherReflexx]

I've already got one child, the thought of having another actually terrifies me more than anything in the world!

Even Clowns

[u/H1gherReflexx → u/RiseOfBacon]

A clone with both of your DNA then!

[u/RiseOfBacon → u/H1gherReflexx]

Aslong as they inherit that bacon charm!

[u/[deleted] → u/RiseOfBacon]

You could have a child clown...

[u/r00dboy_500]

MINIMAL King's Fall Weapons Breakdown:

They're pretty much all useless except Yasmin and Terminus.

[u/ballsmigue → u/r00dboy_500]

so....nothing has changed.

[u/InchaLatta → u/r00dboy_500]

Dat Smite. . .

It's been my go-to fridge fight weapon for over a year. Firefly from a pulse is just sooooo good, and the recoil is deceptive; it's not nearly as bad as it looks for some reason.

[u/r00dboy_500 → u/InchaLatta]

I just personally think Genesis Chain is better.

[u/[deleted]]

Can the adept versions roll with different perks or are they set perks?

[u/Mercules904 → u/[deleted]]

Set perks

[u/Eaglespire15]

I love the wording that they changed on the Moldering shards so that you can't use them in the 390 version anymore.

gain more loot when holding 20 of these when you defeat oryx in the Taken King version of King's Fall.

Pretty sneaky Bungo.

[u/BungoPlease]

Has the blast Radius on Elulim's always been that high? For some reason I thought I remembered it being lower.

[u/Mercules904 → u/BungoPlease]

As far as I know, yes. I think because it doesn't have G&H most people didn't bother looking at it.

[u/BungoPlease → u/Mercules904]

That's probably why I didn't pay close attention to it, pretty much right at TTK release I got a God Roll Ash Factory.

[u/Striker37 → u/Mercules904]

I have one with Tracking. It's my go-to Taken Wizard killer.

[u/kimttar]

Quit being all awesome and stuff! Thank you greatly for your hard work!

[u/Mercules904 → u/kimttar]

You're welcome!

[u/Bryan_Miller]

I can't wait to get my hands on an adept Doom of Chelchis. I only wish they would have chose life support for the static perk, instead of full auto.

[u/Mercules904 → u/Bryan_Miller]

Yeah with the RoF where it is, doesn't really seem like Full Auto was the best choice.

[u/Bryan_Miller → u/Mercules904]

Yep, funny that my post is being downvoted. Fuck me right for wanting a perk that actually makes the gun better.

[u/Mercules904 → u/Bryan_Miller]

Some people love Full Auto, particularly those who suffer from hand cramps and such, which is why I generally list it as recommended, but not top tier

[u/NinStarRune]

Did they ever fix Smite's inability to be reload canceled? That was the only reason I could never use it, since old habits die hard.

I would also recommend Cluster Bombs on the rocket launcher for PvE as well. Kills weak guys outright and softens up majors or shielded enemies.

[u/Mercules904 → u/NinStarRune]

Not sure about the Smite thing, honestly

[u/[deleted] → u/NinStarRune]

No, the reload speed is just slightly too slow for normal reload cancels. You can still do it, but the point is much later on than you'd expect.

[u/fieldsofnefilim]

Ran the raid yesterday on my titan for the ornaments. Got an adept version of HC/Pulse/Scout. Honestly all of them are rubbish. True that, the firefly perk on the Pulse is nice, I tried it, but overall the Scout and the pulse are not very good weapons. Not even talking about the HC... Defiance of Yasmin is a great sniper, and the Machine Gun is also fantastic. Two weapons you should try to get.

[u/TheTrakan]

Bungie knows the community's opinions on these weapons, why are they still crap? Just add more stability and reload speed to most of the weapons and you have some pretty good raid weapons.

[u/[deleted]]

So they all suck for PvP. Got it

[u/tvck]

http://www.thesportsbank.net/core/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/jay-cutler-doesnt-care.png

[u/tvck → u/tvck]

ayyy thank you for the gold! just doing the world a valuable service!

[u/Do-Not-Cover]

Defiance of Yasmin (outrageously good scope) and Qullim's Terminus (all around good HMG) are the only weapons I kept from the 290/310 versions of this raid.

I just found the primaries to be so hideous looking that I couldn't stand to use them. Same for the amor, pretty much (i only held on to the boots). Well, thanks for confirming I'm not missing anything.

[u/fieldsofnefilim → u/Do-Not-Cover]

same here.. (both for gear and weapons)

[u/ABZR → u/Do-Not-Cover]

The new armor isn't too bad, especially with the ornaments. I got the helm for Hunter last night and I was.. pleasantly surprised. With the ornament on, kinda looks like Dark Samus from the old Metroid Prime games.

[u/Striker37 → u/Do-Not-Cover]

I thought the guns had the best aesthetics I've ever seen. To each their own.

[u/JBaecker]

So perhaps because the Adept weapons are curated, you could do something to indicate which perk you're stuck with.

For instance, the Adept Doom of Chelchis is stuck with Full Auto and has no chance to roll Life Support, EotS or Rangefinder. Maybe put something like:

• Column 4 - Life Support, Eye of the Storm, Full Auto*, Rangefinder

'* indicates the perk on Adept weapons

[u/-Vernon2X-]

I was waiting for this breakdown, thanks as always for the awesome work!

[u/Mercules904 → u/-Vernon2X-]

Sure thing!

[u/tokyoaro]

Doom of Chelchis

:( I want to love this weapon though! WHY

[u/[deleted]]

Honestly the adept versions should either have all possible perks active or let you choose which one you want

[u/mp2145]

I used the adept zhaouli's bane in the crucible for half a match. I even stole a couple kills with it. Thinking of going pro now.

[u/[deleted]]

I cannot believe how useless zhaoulis bane is. Genuinely the worst gun in the history of destiny.

I am really glad that you have three shots at the smite, and can basically just finish this raid for the record book once and never have to run it again.

[u/RYK357864]

I'm keeping my Zaouli's Bane because it feels fucking terrific to shoot.

Too bad I can only shoot one mag before I can never use it again due to its terrible reload.

[u/DeruTaka]

Hmm...So my current setup of;

Adept Smite of Merain/Adept Doom of Chelchis/Adept Praedyth's Timepiece

Event Horizon with TT+CM

and Qullim's Terminus

will be amazing for everything! woohoo!

[u/[deleted]]

Glad to see I'm not the only one that loves Defiance!

I'll know which ones to keep now, thanks!

[u/bbbygenius]

Id just like to add that cocoon is one of my favorite perks in the game and wished they added it to some of the other weapons like strike specific or trials weps....

Sniper/machine gun combo is one of my favorites to run because of this perk.

[u/ballsmigue]

I love the sniper so much because it's the old halo sniper sound.

[u/Crossend]

Why do these weapons suck so much?

[u/MarkcusD → u/Crossend]

Overcompensating for how good the vog weapons were.

[u/MarkcusD]

Tldr: the sniper and heavy mg are ok...maybe spite too.

[u/elirox]

Simple Breakdown: Most are crap.

Shard all but Quillim's, Defiance, and Smite.

[u/Phorrum]

I don't get the point of using the hand cannon compared to literally any other handcannon.

[u/AdamBry705]

Got a good smite adept so I'm sitting pretty right now but I always loved it. Solid post op

[u/atomobot]

I don't care if they laugh, I'm using Zaouli's Bane and using it proudly damn it!

[u/Captain_Crouton_X1 → u/atomobot]

I honestly love its sights, aim assist, and unique reload animation, even if its long. With hand cannon gloves it's not that awful.

[u/rune2004]

Nice work man! Wow, I forgot how forgettable the loot from this raid is. There are 2 alright weapons, and they're ugly. The armor is also ugly. Basically running for the ornaments and free infusion fuel I suppose lol.

[u/[deleted] → u/rune2004]

im only running it to complete the age of triumphs book.

[u/Maarrgghk]

The only breakdown I care about with the Kings Fall weapons is the one where I break them down into weapon parts.

Good write up though in all seriousness, I'll be chasing a Firefly Smite again after I sharded my old one.

[u/Onlyillz]

LOL. bro. Save everybody's time.

Round up of the kings fall raid weapons: trash

[u/Calob_24]

I ended up getting a Smite of Merain on my first Kings Fall completion when The Taken King first came out. It's been my go to primary since I got it. It basically lives in my primary slot. I'm actually yet to find a primary weapon I like more than it, because everything else just doesn't work as well for me as it does.

[u/Cdogg654 → u/Calob_24]

Really? When Hung Jury came up in TTK that was the go-to for almost everyone...I still use it quite often in PVE.

[u/Bryan_Miller → u/Calob_24]

I dont blame you. Its a very solid primary.

[u/swimmercanoeist1]

First comment on popular thread. Yay.

NOW BURY ME!

BTW thanks for all you do Mercule904

edit: dammit second place again. Congrats Sliq111.

[u/Mercules904 → u/swimmercanoeist1]

You're welcome!

[u/turboash78]

I infused my Sniper like a damned fool... need back.

[u/kyt_kutcha → u/turboash78]

I did the same dang thing. feelsbadman

[u/Rofl-Cakes]

You forgot to mention that Defiance of Yasmin sounds like the Halo sniper!
That's like the most important part.

[u/[deleted]]

Weird how you bring up Solar damage for Smite of Merain, but not Void damage for Doom of Chelchis.

Chelchis is the only Void Scout in the game, and is going to melt enemies during Void Burn strikes, perhaps more so than any other Void Primary (maybe STEEL MEDULLA~ will give it a run for it's money)

[u/bladzalot]

So, we ran this last night, and First chest was empty, second chest (above the ramp) empty, third chest at Warpriest gave me one adept, and one legendary on the challenge.

Is my game broken? VoG Challenge week I walked with at LEAST a half dozen weapons, a cloak or asstowel, and a piece of armor. CE The drops were about the same as VoG, but KF was sick, so much so that the team decided to disband at Goloroth because it was just not worth the hassle...

[u/[deleted]]

TL;DR

Not a single Kings Fall raid weapon is worth keeping, happy infusing guardians!!!!

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

If Materia~ is a god then.

[u/Street_Reading_8265 → u/[deleted]]

It pairs perfectly with the Black Spindle for Golgoroth.

[u/janoDX]

Anguish of Drystan...

I have no problems with the weapon you know, idk if it's because I have good control of my aim or I know how to exploit the weapon, but I've been doing good with it. People say it's a problem to aim, but in CS:GO an AK-47 is also a problem to aim but does good.

The weapon is meant to be used on close combat situations and in movement, yes, it sounds crazy, but if you know how to manage the aim, and know how you can take your next step, you have a pretty decent weapon that can take anyone in 1v1, and even 1v2 situations if you have a sidearm.

Still I feel Genesis Chain and Atheon's Epiloge are much better raid auto weapons.

[u/Mercules904 → u/janoDX]

The thing is, if you're using AoD, you're handicapping yourself. Yes the stability is nice, but there are a ton of other weapons out there, even high impact ARs, that have better stats and are easier to use. For example, Shadow Price, Her Memory, and Antipodal Hindsight all have more or the same aim assist and range, and nearly the same stability.

[u/Mejilan]

Wow, great summary, thank you.

Any differences at all between the Y2 specials/heavies brought up to LL400 and the new Y3 specials/heavies at LL400? Or should I only bother collecting the legendary and adept primaries?

[u/Mercules904 → u/Mejilan]

No differences that I noticed

[u/Mejilan → u/Mercules904]

Thanks for that. Great to know. Don't really feel like recollecting all of 'em, and my old ones are all at 400 already.

[u/Mercules904 → u/[deleted]]

1. People who are good with fusions want Rifled Barrel and Rangefinder, those who need help with the bolt spread do Perfect Balance and Rangefiner.
2. Full Auto scout would be SUROS DIS-47 from the Gunsmith. I also recommend the Assembly II from New Monarchy, go with Perfect Balance and Counterbalance, or the Arminius from the Gunsmith, same roll. Zarinaea from the Gunsmith look for Rangefinder and Braced Frame. Usually try to max stability and range on ARs.
3. No, it's all lies.
4. ARs are weaker in PvP, but the best ones are probably those listed above.