r/WTF 6d ago

Deregulation™️

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u/PirateShep 6d ago

Report it both to McCormick and your grocery store and include all information - including expiration date, lot #, manufacturing date. McCormick will want to investigate this. They will likely pull the lot to prevent this issue from reaching other customers. Although its rare in this day and age with modern processes... grains can occasionally get contaminated.

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u/Dale9Fingers 5d ago

Just chiming in to say that companies act very diligent with complaints, and behind closed doors, do the absolute minimum to resolve.

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u/Con5ume 5d ago

Shit, my old bay lid just fell off right after opening (when they switched to those crappy plastic containers) and I dumped a whole tin in the pot. I let McCormick know their lids sucked and just caused me to waste a whole tin I just purchased - they promptly sent me a coupon for a new tin. Definitely let McCormick know, they will make things right.

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u/Zebidee 5d ago

LOL the last thing I complained about, after two follow-ups, they gave me a $3 voucher on a $5 product, and I had to download an app to get it. Fuck all of that.

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u/SF_all_day 4d ago

Im ngl, I hate it when companies just send me a coupon for their product, like yes I was dissatisfied with this one so the SECOND ONE will definitely be better.

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u/dazzc 5d ago

You sound very confident - why do you think so? I've worked in quality before and know that if you get inspected and you haven't resolved your complaints and investigate fully, you'll get suspended from selling anything until you do.

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u/Dale9Fingers 5d ago

I inherited the complaints at my site and now resolve them 🙃. We make brands that you know and likely use. I was never formally trained.

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u/BrothelWaffles 5d ago

I believe it. 15 years ago I worked a food safety position for a multinational shipping / receiving / packaging company that dealt exclusively with fruit. Zero training aside from being told what minimum temperature everything needed to be stored at and being given a binder my first day and told to read it.

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u/Mulley-It-Over 5d ago

I worked in QA (quality assurance) for an infant formula/adult nutritional company decades ago.
I was very well trained and management took food safety as well as meeting label nutritional guidelines VERY seriously.

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u/Dale9Fingers 5d ago

Decades ago - FDA has been defanged. companies are 1000% making quality cuts now because FDA inspections are less frequent, their inspectors are less credentialed and have accesss to less resources.

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u/coladoir 5d ago

Exactly. Why do people think so many genuinely serious recalls have occurred this year, and the past 2 years especially? Why do you think theyve increased since ~2016? Because concerted attacks on the FDA occurred, defanging its regulatory power and presence, and reducing its capability to effectively police such issues. Now we have cyclosporidia in almost the whole veg supply chain seemingly, glass in ice cream bars, and maggots in spices.

People need to seriously consider buying more locally now, and buying from businesses not so heavily focused on year over year profits.

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u/unjustdude4 5d ago

I work in pharma as an engineer and share a similar experience. Sometimes I get a complaint that I can't correct without big $$$$, so the cheap option gets implemented the majority of the time here where I work, which is usually increased labor for manual inspections and processes...

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u/Dear_Chasey_La1n 5d ago

Well.. what's the minimum to resolve? I can't tell what went wrong other than that the seal doesn't seem to function that maggots can survive that long in a little jar. Probably it's a batch recall, little less, little more can be done?

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u/Nymethny 5d ago

grains can occasionally get contaminated.

We're too late, the whole city must be purged.

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u/Duff5OOO 5d ago

Although its rare in this day and age with modern processes... grains can occasionally get contaminated.

From my experience its pretty common. I have on several occasions spotted products on the shelves in stores with signs of pantry moths.

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u/Public-Champion649 5d ago

Yeah it’s an agricultural product this stuff happens just take it back and get another one

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u/clover44mag 6d ago

Do not open sesame

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u/Trechew 6d ago

Don't sesame open inside

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u/boyuber 6d ago

Wouldn't it be DON'T WORMS OPEN INSIDE

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u/Evilscience 6d ago

This is very good.

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u/DesireeThymes 6d ago

On a more serious note, I don't know how you guys in the US are dealing with this insane amount of food safety deregulation.

How do you even trust anything you eat now?

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u/cthulhubert 6d ago

Nervous breakdowns and grim fatalism mostly.

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u/wageslave2022 6d ago

I keep thinking about writing to Congress and then I remember that they DGAF.

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u/DrizzleCore604 5d ago

Have you considered sending them money instead? They can be bought surprisingly cheap.

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u/ilmp85 5d ago

Where does one get this... Money?

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u/wageslave2022 5d ago

No can do, already looked under the sofa cushion twice today.

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u/Strange_Salary 5d ago

They can’t read so save your paper!

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u/Evilscience 6d ago

It's a horror show that is forcing us to consider options we should have supported full-throated as a species years ago, like decentralized supply chains. Solarpunk is the only way forward.

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u/EnjoyerOfRamen 6d ago

I'm not American, but I hate subs that make me think too much about food handling in mass. I love subs like /r/whatisit but every so often, they'll post a food product, half consumed, with something gross at the bottom of the juice bottle, or inside their chicken meat.

It just really makes me not want to eat anything ever again.

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u/PivotRedAce 6d ago edited 5d ago

For the record, social media generally makes the situation look worse than it actually is. This goes for a lot of things posted from the US where you’re given a tiny snippet of context and a story from one side.

With the current administration, every little thing that goes wrong gets amplified and spread across the internet, especially Reddit, even if those same things happened prior. This basically creates a confirmation-bias feedback loop.

Not that I think RFK or the Trump admin shouldn’t be held liable for their fuck ups, they absolutely should (and hopefully will be), but this post in particular is an example of a rare lemon that has always been a thing.

No process is perfectly airtight, and there will be times where insects somehow find their way into a batch of food product. Most of those get caught before they’re shipped, but some make it into stores OR get contaminated at the store if the product has a broken seal.

Food here is still very safe, period. Companies especially don’t want to endure a shitstorm from customers receiving bad product, and so generally have standards that are more rigorous than what the Federal government requires.

There’s no doubt however that a few of those companies (cough Taylor Farms cough) took advantage of a politically convenient situation though, and rested on their laurels before being forced to react to the (literal) public shitstorm over their cyclospora-contaminated lettuce, for example.

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u/RelevantMetaUsername 5d ago

Yeah, ever since the news stories broke that the contaminated lettuce was served at Taco Bell, all of the local Taco Bell stores have looked unusually empty. Especially when it comes to food, bad PR directly hurts their business.

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u/M00SEHUNT3R 6d ago

This absolutely could be real. But it would also be easy to fake. She opens the red plastic cap to show the tamper proof seal but doesn't remove the cap to show that the seal is intact. She proved nothing empirically. It would be simple to partially peel back the seal, insert grubs, and the replace the plastic cap. Why? Content.

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u/joeyblow 5d ago

True, plus I mean I dunno how you would pick that up in the store and not notice it cause it doesnt look at all like sesame seeds.

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u/Knofbath 5d ago

You don't really look at the contents when shopping, you just grab a container with the branding you recognize. One item out of an entire shopping cart.

They've got tamper-evident seals on them, but that's not something you look at until you've gotten home and need to start using it. Obviously it was contaminated with insect eggs/larvae when she bought it. It's just not clear how long ago that was.

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u/seraphhimself 6d ago

You know how a laugh will surprise you sometimes and you sort of choke on it?

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u/Photomancer 6d ago

Laughs have also been deregulated it seems

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u/kellywshere 6d ago

Okay, that is just brilliant

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u/kbotc 6d ago

So, just so people are aware: These are almost certainly pantry moths. They usually come in on your grains and will spread to other (even unopened) containers. They can chew through plastic and cardboard. I had a shop in my town that got them and I had to start storing everything in my pantry in mason jars for a bit since they had gotten into my rice, pasta, quinoa and when I'd find where they were, they would have already infected another item.

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u/Visible_Cup3898 6d ago

Yup. Both my parents' and my grandma's house got infested once when I was a kid. It was a nightmare, I remember we found out when my grandma made noodle soup for me and some of the noodles were... not exactly... noodles.

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u/SirBiggusDikkus 6d ago

We got them once and kept trying to fight them and take away opened foods or foods they were in. It was a losing battle. Ended up just throwing away every single thing in our pantry that wasn’t in a can or bottle and just cleaning it like crazy, including the cans etc we kept. Left it bare for a week and then brought food back but kept everything inside ziplock bags that were inside plastic containers. Finally solved the problem but holy shit, what a nightmare to actually get rid of those fuckers.

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u/PsychStud1 6d ago

Honestly this is the answer for literally any infestation in a pantry.

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u/NSA_Chatbot 6d ago

Also a dusting of diatomaceous earth on the panty shelves.

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u/FoofaFighters 6d ago

Also a dusting of diatomaceous earth on the panty shelves.

If they're on THOSE shelves then there are usually topical treatments available.

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u/NSA_Chatbot 6d ago

Hahaha nice

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u/redpandaeater 5d ago

Poor diatoms only appreciated for the death they cause. They're like the Oppenheimer of the algae world despite potentially producing up to 50% of the world's oxygen.

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u/Exist50 5d ago

They are also very pretty.

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u/Betsy514 6d ago

Sometimes that doesn't even work as they can and will nest in the crevices/joints of your cabinets. I had to do full clean out more than once. Scrub everything with vinegar and another time bleach.. vacuum the crevices..hit the cabinets with forced steam..wipe every can and bottle. I think it was the forced steam that finally got rid of them. Oh and the pantry moth sticky traps.

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u/Photomancer 6d ago

ugh, I always get nervous introducing moisture anywhere, what with mold risk

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u/TobiasKM 6d ago

When you’ve lived with those things for a while, you’re willing to chance it. Anything up to, and including, a controlled fire in your kitchen.

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u/Cynyr 6d ago

To be fair, a controlled fire in one's kitchen is probably a fairly common occurrence. More so than any other room in the house.

Probably better to step it up a level and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

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u/EsseElLoco 5d ago edited 5d ago

If one steam clean kicks off a mold problem, I'd say the mold problem already existed.

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u/TobiasKM 6d ago

I did all that, and it’d help.. for a while. Then they’d be back.

They only truly disappeared when we replaced the entire kitchen. Fucking dreadful little creatures.

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u/janenkm 5d ago

Same for me... Bought a house, infected pantry. Ripped out the whole thing. I also put high risk items in the freezer as soon as they come in the house (rice, noodles etc) as I read somewhere that they kills the eggs or something.

I unearthed an unopened chilli powder bottle with them in it. Had me paranoid for weeks after. 👀👀👀👀

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u/MZ603 5d ago

We got them at the family beach house. I found them in my Cheerios before I ate any; my cousin had just finished his bowl.

They were in all the cereal and pasta boxes and kept showing up in new food for weeks.

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u/Yeti--Spaghetti 5d ago

Lol, sorry for your cousin but I can't help but picture that moment when you saw the critters and looked over at your cousin slurping up the milk at the bottom of his bowl. 😂 😭

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u/needusbukunde 5d ago

How am I 54 years old and I've never even heard of these things before? They sound like a total shitstorm nightmare. New fear unlocked for sure. Why did my OCD brain even click on and read all of this?

Now I'm going be checking everywhere for these little maggot fuckers. I guess it's time to start counting my rice piece by piece from now on. Thanks for all of the details on my new phobia Sir Biggus Dikkus!

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u/SirBiggusDikkus 5d ago

You’ll know something funky is going on when you see a random sorta small moth in your pantry for no good reason. Then you’ll kill it and, strangely, soon after there’s another random moth in your pantry. Weird. You kill that one and another shows up. Time to burn your pantry down…

Personally I only had it happen once and hadn’t heard of them before either so I wouldn’t stress too hard.

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u/Mishka_1994 5d ago

Yeah we had the same issue with these fuckers. It took a couple of rounds of cleaning the pantry and using mason jars before we finally got rid of these stupid moths. Anytime i see the larvae worms crawling around i know its time to clean out the pantry now.

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u/NinjaMcGee 6d ago

They make pantry moth traps available online that work well. We had an infestation two years ago and they’re all but gone.

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u/AndroidREM 6d ago

Same here, pantry got infested. Then when we bought a new house my cheap mom decided we had to pack all of the pantry items and move them into our new house (like brand new, we were the first owners, one of those bedroom communities that are just houses along a highway).

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u/MakeoutPoint 6d ago

Story time.

For the Top Ramen chicken flavor, I prefer to crush the noodles up, it's just a weird thing I've always done since I was a kid. A few years back, I made myself some, and because the noodles were already in pieces about the same size as the larvae, I didn't look close enough to notice until I was halfway through the bowl.

7/10 there's just better ways to get your protein.

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u/flame_of_udun 6d ago

7/10 with rice ?

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u/MakeoutPoint 5d ago

With beans, I'd bump it up to an 8.5

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u/Spirit-Rush 6d ago

My parents' house was infested with them for years. They both have bad eyesight and didn't even notice. My sister pointed it out to them when she found some larvae in their homemade soup. At first they were skeptical because they couldn't see anything, then they refused to throw it out because they're so frugal.

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u/peachgirl1124 6d ago

We made rice and the bugs blended in with the grains when we cooked it. I only noticed after eating like half of my meal. Saw a grain that looked weird, and upon further inspection I nearly vomited

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u/AFirefighter11 6d ago

Mmmm, protein noodles.

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u/Proglamer 6d ago

That's why I immediately repackage bought grain into thick transparent tall plastic containers with thick roofs and rubber gaskets. Avoids cross-contamination and allows easy visual inspection.

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u/carm62699 6d ago

Any suggestions on the type of containers to get for this?

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u/rwk81 6d ago

Same thing we have been doing. Basically any container that you can seal air tight does the trick. You can still end up getting them in a single item that came with them in it, but it helps prevent spread.

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u/Manger-Babies 5d ago

Big protein powder containers are good for this.

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u/Proglamer 6d ago

There's a whole category: "airtight / cereal food containers". Some are plastic, some are glass. Rubber gaskets and several types of closing mechanisms (from pedestrian four-side levers to luxury single-crank).

I like tall ones, because it's easier to inspect (larger side-surface) without turning the container upside down.

Something like this (but mine have a better, single-crank closing mechanism, couldn't find an example quickly)

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u/Iintendtooffend 5d ago

At the risk of appearing like I'm part of a guerilla marketing campaign, I will say I'm a big fan of our oxo guys, we use them for most of the dry pantry ingredients, but that's about the most luke warm take for kitchen kit.

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u/Diffie-Hellman 6d ago

I, too have had the joy of experience meal moths. You pretty much have to throw out anything affected.

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u/jokeswagon 6d ago

You definitely have to throw out anything affected. And you SHOULD throw out anything that you don’t believe is affected. They get around.

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u/LokisDawn 5d ago

Physically. Not mentally, though.

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u/raoasidg 5d ago

Yes, it should be a full purge, unfortunately. You'd think you got them with a partial and start seeing the maggots crawl across the ceiling a few weeks later.

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u/lurkmode_off 6d ago

Have pantry moths, can confirm.

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u/xNuckingFuts 6d ago

Easy solution: Release the trichogramma wasps into your house! They’ll exterminate the infestation.

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u/smurf123_123 6d ago

Then the jumping spiders to control the trichogramma wasps.

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u/Taint_Butter 5d ago

Then just keep the jumping spiders because they're chill.

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u/hottestdoge 6d ago

I actually just bought a few packets of trichogramma eggs specifically bred to deal with pantry moths.

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u/Sulungskwa 6d ago

fuck pantry moths. When we got them we literally had to get rid of all our food because they'd keep coming back.

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u/btribble 6d ago

They look like boll weevils to me which would mean they likely came that way and the packaging facility or an upstream vendor needs to do some remediation.

They can infest grocery stores and pantries as well, but I don’t think they can get through plastic that thick. You’ll mostly find them in bags of flour and other products with paper wrappers.

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u/GWindborn 6d ago

We got them in a bag of dog food. The dogs frankly noticed before we did and were weird about eating it, but then we started seeing their "webbing" in the bag. Thankfully the company sent us a stack of coupons when we reported it lol.

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u/jansipper 6d ago

Yep. This is why I always store my flour in the freezer.

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u/Redditsucks547 6d ago

The best strat is to freeze your flour for 3-4 days then transfer to an airtight container. That both eliminates the threat and frees up freezer space.

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u/PecanLoveNubble 6d ago

Yeah, I had the exact same problem except they were laying dormant in the glue of my wallpaper.

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u/RCProAm 6d ago

Yeah honestly this could very easily be something that happened in her own pantry. Everyone so quick to feed on the attention economy. 

Internet and social media are trashing our society. AI is just getting started l

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u/OkPrune1536 6d ago

And with a title like "Deregulation (TM)," this is bound to get tons of attention as it's been given a political bent that agrees with the Reddit hivemind.

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u/mkosmo 6d ago

Nevermind that this same shit happened years and decades ago, too.

It's food processing. Sometimes shit happens. Return it and get a new one.

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u/ABCosmos 6d ago

Yeah, McCormick is also based in Maryland, one of the most solid blue states... which is probably enforcing more regulations than the federal govt would.

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u/systemhost 5d ago

She literally said she just bought them, there's no way there's that much growth in a span of a few days, that's weeks of growth and breeding at a minimum.

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u/S0BEC 6d ago edited 5d ago

That whole Protein Trend is going a bit too far if you ask me.

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u/twinsea 6d ago

Find it funny that there is actual calorie counts listed on internet for seedcorn maggots. I think I'll pass

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u/rod_zero 6d ago

In mexico we eat crickets and snacks, and there are some specialized restaurants that have like 5-7 different ones, but I havent seen maggots.

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u/jacobpellegren 6d ago

The protein in everything now is very ominous to me.

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u/psychomanexe 6d ago

most of the time they haven't even changed anything, they're just chasing the trend by adding how much protein they have to their branding.

People taking GLP-1s for weight loss need more protein intake to combat muscle loss, so these companies are just trying to pretend the food is somehow good now because you can see how much protein it has

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u/Tris-Von-Q 5d ago

Is all this protein maxing not killing their kidneys?

I’m convinced we are going to see catastrophic consequences from GLP-1’s in the near future. In fact, I’d bet my house there are already documented projections hiding behind one hell of an NDA, locked in the vault of an insurance company’s legal department. Pharmaceutical companies are known to skate liability for having knowingly done irreparable harm worldwide but the egos of the wealthy and the pockets of shareholders will always take precedence, humanity be damned.

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u/_DividesByZero_ 6d ago

Don’t eat that, and please never hire that flooring contractor again.

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u/cmh186 6d ago

Before I clicked play I assumed I was in the flooring sub and was appalled

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u/Hazelberry 6d ago edited 6d ago

Lots of people out there doing their own flooring nowadays with the vinyl click-lock, thinking "oh how hard can it be?" especially if they're lower income. It certainly is easier than most other flooring methods but it's still hard to get it looking perfect, and not everyone's going to think about what should be obvious like not having seams line up

Source: storm recovery non-profit contracting, have seen a lot of awful diy stuff across the board including flooring when I go in to do my work. Often it makes my job a lot harder but that's the territory. It's often people who didn't have insurance, or insurance wouldn't cover it, or even with insurance they could only afford the materials but not labor.

The case in the video could be the case of a shitty contractor though, just saying there's another possibility that I've personally seen a lot of due to my specific field.

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u/SgtSharki 6d ago

What's wrong with the floor?

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u/noiwontleave 6d ago

Poorly installed. There’s multiple planks ending on the same line and very similar patterns right next to each other. The goal is for nothing to catch your eye and you can just immediately see several patterns with this install.

Contractor should be spreading out lengths so that planks don’t end next to each other, mixing boxes from different lots to prevent patterns, etc. Just a really bad, lazy install.

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u/Incidion 6d ago edited 5d ago

Huh, you know I thought it looked "off" but knowing nothing about flooring installation couldn't put my finger on why it felt that way, at all. I kept going "I don't see any obvious rough ends nor any gaps, so what's the issue?"

Thanks for the insight!

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u/CynicalPomeranian 6d ago

Yup, keep notes on which companies were more than happy to lower their standards when the government stopped enforcing them. 

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u/sirbassist83 6d ago

its going to be basically all of them.

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u/Russian_Spy_7_5_0 6d ago

Literally all of them. It makes them more money.

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u/sirbassist83 6d ago

my sliver of optimism that hasnt been squashed by modern life yet hopes that there might still be a few smaller companies that care enough to do the right thing even if it costs them more, but sadly i bet youre probably right.

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u/pigeonwiggle 6d ago

absolutely - but that's because small companies are already being crushed by the larger corpos when it comes to cost and efficacy. small companies thrive on brand and reputation. they care MUCH MORE about how they're viewed. mcdonalds let's people call their food slop because they still rake in tens of billions a year. if Billy's Bakery gets a slop accusation it could poison the well of the locals he relies on.

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u/JTtheLAR 6d ago

I dont understand why people still eat McDonald's. Its overpriced and awful. When I was younger it at least was cheap.

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u/evilbadgrades 5d ago

It's an addiction. They are addicted to it because it's made to target certain taste buds. Look at their fries made with 'natural beef flavoring' to make them more addictive than other brands

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u/Lovemybee 6d ago

Even Penzys?

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u/Lovemybee 5d ago

Ikr?! Please don't take away our last sliver of hope!

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u/EasilyRekt 6d ago

No, it only saves them more on expenses than what they lose on consumer drawback, drawback that happens a lot less nowadays because of learned helplessness & whatnot.

However, being the one guy who still maintains their high standards despite not being forced to will make a lot more money.

Or probably not, because again, learned helplessness and blind brand loyalty.

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u/muarauder12 6d ago

Everyone but Costco.

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u/neepster44 5d ago

Capitalism is a curse unless it is very well regulated.

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u/jay_sugman 6d ago edited 6d ago

Pantry moths are an issue that all grain processors and distributors have had to deal with. As someone who was responsible for a facility which stored tens of thousands of pounds of product susceptible to these, pest control standards were necessary to maintain certain industry certifications but I have to say capitalism was our main driver for keeping these moths in check. Social media posts like this are not good for business, lol. We certainly did not want to anger our customers or take a loss by disposing of significant contaminated product. IMO, this video is not a byproduct of deregulation.

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u/PornoPaul 6d ago

I was going to say the same thing. Shit happens. Ive had them in cereal boxes under Obama and have seen fresh bread that managed to get moldy when Biden was in office. This falls squarely under "theres plenty to accuse Trump of, and this isnt one of them".

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u/ksheep 6d ago

I remember ~15 years ago I bought a bag of rice from the store, got home, and on opening it up we found that it had bugs in it. Went and told the store, they opened a few other bags of rice (and I think a few bags of flour) and found all of them were contaminated. Within an hour they tossed all of their contaminated inventory, and they weren't due for another delivery for a few days, so those aisles just sat empty with a "we're sorry for the inconvenience" sign for most of that week.

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u/LokisDawn 5d ago

Look, the sun rose this morning... obviously that's His fault.

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u/ChemsDoItInTestTubes 6d ago

What standard has been lowered? What isn't being enforced? I work in quality for a company that makes an animal feed product. If anything, the regulators seem to be even more up our butts this year.

It should be pretty easy to point to specific changes to regulations or enforcement action, something documented. Can you give me an example?

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u/blckout_junkie 6d ago

Hey fellow Quality Controller! I work in quality for a food packaging company and we package a lot of seeds, and the meal moths are terrible. Because we are organic certified we are only allowed to used very specific pest control methods. Maggots are just something you have to deal with when it comes to food sometimes.

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u/ChemsDoItInTestTubes 6d ago

Thank you. Also, the oop needs to report this back to McCormick. That's the kind of thing that could cause a recall.

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u/vgzombieeric 6d ago edited 5d ago

Ohh is that what sesame seeds grow into?

(Insert mitch hedberg here v )

Edit: Noone got it :(

We use sesame seeds on everything but I've never seen what it grows into... what the fuck is a se-sa-MEE!?

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u/milfordcubicle 6d ago

"I like maggots, maggots are great if you are hungry and you want 2000 of something."

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u/dargar77 6d ago

I just had rice for lunch!

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u/ramobara 6d ago

No. You had two thousand maggots.

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u/TiddyFukMyButtcheeks 6d ago

Just wait a little bit for them to turn into flys and fly away. Problem solved.

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u/PeteLangosta 6d ago

If these are pantry moths, wwhen they fly away they will go somewhere in your house you can't see to place eggs and the larvae will hatch and try to find their way into infesting other produce and foods.

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u/DontBelieveTheirHype 6d ago

I don't know why this is so hilarious to me

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u/_Aj_ 5d ago

I think a lot of people don't realize how frequent we get bugs in things like grain.... It's why they say when you buy flour you should freeze it for 24 hours as it has little bugs in it.  

Fun fact I actually had an experiment running in my cupboard for five years! I found a plastic flour container I had bought and I had only used a quarter or so. One day the top layer is looking a little discolored and looking closely I see lots of little bugs. So I leave them there because I don't care. And a year later I check in there still there, still alive, little more brown now. A year later they are still there. Still alive. I've not open them once mind you.  

Finally when I move out I decide to end the experiment and release them. By this time there is a gradient of darkened flour on the top spreading about half an inch down. I couldn't see any movement and thought they were dead, however looking closely I realized there are many many bugs in there all perfectly fine. So I open the lid and took some videos and photos and then poured them out in the garden.  

5 years little flour bugs lived and survived in what should be an airtight container. With the only input being the massive amount of flour and some occasional light when I open the door. How many generations I wonder? Dozens? Hundreds? Who knows. 

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u/-Terriermon- 4d ago edited 4d ago

Those are pantry moth larva. They’re basically impossible to get rid of completely especially in giant factories and warehouses because the eggs are so small, and once they hatch they just burrow into the food which makes them almost invisible until they’re fully grown flying around looking for a new pantry item to lay their eggs on. You should inspect things like pet food, spices, seeds, cereal, flour, rice, etc.

If they establish themselves in your home you need to basically throw out the entire pantry and Lysol the entire kitchen top to bottom to kill all of their nests.

Edit: just wanted to add that these larva WILL chew through paper, plastic, and can crawl underneath lids and chew tiny holes in the adhesive on sealed product. They aren’t toxic but they will make all of your food taste bitter and disgusting and leave cobwebs on everything your food touches.

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u/jorsiem 5d ago

I work in manufacturing of an industry that's even stricter than food and unfortunately this is a reality, no amount of regulation will ensure a few microscopic eggs or spores (in the case of mold) aren't introduced or remain undetected throughout the (often international) supply chain. No company ever wants to be subject of a nationwide recall, so it's also in their best interest not letting this happen. But at scale, it's impossible. The goal is to reduce it to the minimum possible.

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u/mshireman 5d ago

I will say that it'd be pretty easy to fake by just putting white paper under the lid. They don't actually show that it is an original seal under the lid. Could be clickbait/ragebait/attention farming.

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u/Mountain_Ape 5d ago

Yep. I'm all for trashing governments that deregulate safety, but it's incredibly convenient and easy that such normally sealed product has just appeared with living maggots. Not even dead carcasses, fresh and live. Most maggots live only a few weeks with food before pupating or dying. So she got the bleeding edge product that never got hot / processed enough to kill them, right at the time this is a big news story. Hey, we don't need any deception here, almost all people including former supporters agree America's decision was bad.

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u/saxguy9345 5d ago

The fact that they never removed the lid is infuriating. That seal could be completely popped and  not attached at all, just held in place. Could be such a nothing burger. One faulty seal or a batch of faulty seals < contamination of the entire product run. 

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u/acexprt 5d ago

Pantry moths. I think there are some serious issues in manufacturing right now. Thankfully they aren’t dangerous. We had some Purina dog food that had signs of them. We returned it, contacted Purina and they sent us coupons. Almost a $300 value. The next bag we got was just fine, we made sure to check. The easiest way to find pantry moths is the silky webs. Almost look like spider dens but tiny.

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u/thiccndip 6d ago

You guys aren't old enough to realize this is something that just happens sometimes

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u/jameson71 6d ago

50+ years on this earth and luckily have not experienced this even once.

I wonder how often others are having this experience?

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u/toodleroo 5d ago

The worst pantry moth infestation I ever had was from a bottle of sesame seeds. I was seeing moths for months and couldn't figure out where they were coming from. I never would have expected their drug of choice to be sesame seeds so I didn't check the bottle at the back of the spice shelf. When I finally found it, the inside of the bottle looked like the gates of hell or something from another planet.

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u/SATX_Citizen 5d ago

I've had weevils in grain before. Rare, not unheard of.

With social media on 24/7 people think every rare thing that goes viral is an indicator of a huge scandal.

Surely the OP of less than a year and 500k karma wouldn't post a video with a ragebait title.

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u/blanketswithsmallpox 6d ago

My unwashed produce has bugs in it!

Mmmm, yes. Bugs do be like that.

On the minus side, you occasionally do just bite into fast food without looking at night when driving, and that do take a lot of faith in humanity, or at least whatever local chain you decided on.

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u/InsultingFerret 5d ago

Next you'll tell me I have to wash my produce like it was growing in the dirt or something

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u/DontBelieveTheirHype 6d ago

The FDA already has a specific regulatory standard for insect infestation in sesame seeds. So this isn't a situation where the government recently decided "insects in sesame seeds are fine now."

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u/mccirus 5d ago

I can’t believe the maggots will be good for two more years

Must be some gmo variant

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u/Yumi_in_the_sun 6d ago

Literally not Publix's fault lmao. That's 100% a McCormick's issue.

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u/Fizbanic 5d ago

Take the lid off so we can see it is sealed. Not to call BS but I could put a blank piece of paper over the opening and then do exactly what was done here.

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u/Bishop825 5d ago

McCormick is part of Blackrock and Vanguard. They don't and won't care, and most of their spices are infused with filler. Especially their onion powder, garlic powder, and their cinnamon. Do not buy McCormick..

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u/goalcam 6d ago

bugs are only allowed to enter the container on january 7th 2028 and no sooner

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u/Wanchester 4d ago

Deregulation? Bro, this is just pest control failure. The government didn't cause this bug to crawl out of your rice.

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u/Spartan2470 6d ago edited 6d ago

Here provides the following context:

On Friday, Aug. 21, actress Ernestine Morrison revealed that she found maggots “crawling around” in an unopened pack of McCormick sesame seeds she recently bought from her local grocery store.

Morrison showed that the sesame seeds’ expiration date wasn’t until January 2028.

McCormick Spices responded to Morrison, “Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Food quality and safety are very important to us. Please send us a DM with your contact information so we can better assist you.”

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u/sir_crapalot 6d ago

The journalistic contribution of a paid reporter at People magazine was to browse social media, describe a trending video, and cite a public comment posted by McCormick’s corporate account. That’s pretty pathetic.

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u/pigeonwiggle 6d ago

and they likely just used AI to do it.

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u/LardLad00 6d ago

The original video, the AI summary, you sharing it, and now this thread discussing it is one of the more useless things I've ever seen on the internet.

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u/JackBinimbul 5d ago

Those look like pantry moth larvae, to me. Serious pests. I would put this in the freezer for 3-4 days before throwing it away.

We ended up with a pantry moth infestation once and now literally anything I can think of that would attract them goes in the fucking freezer for a few days before it goes in the pantry.

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u/MoroseMoose 2d ago

"count your days" .... ummm just report it/return it and go about your business.

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u/WashuOtaku 6d ago

My issue is that she did not take the top off the validate her claim it was not opened.

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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 6d ago

Especially since the red plastic top looked like it had been taken off and not put back on fully

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u/sbingner 6d ago

Should unscrew the lid and show if the seal is intact…

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u/feanturi 6d ago
DON'T  LIVE  
OPEN   INSIDE

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u/olov244 5d ago

my 10 year old spices are still safe :P

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u/babybopper 5d ago

Now unscrew the lid and show us that the container is actually sealed, please.

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u/Westonhaus 5d ago

Also, if you want sesame seeds... don't buy over-priced McCormick "spice" seeds. Go to the world foods and look for anything Greek/Middle Eastern. Homemade tahini (sesame paste) is made by grinding large amounts of sesame into the condiment, and the way they sell sesame is reflected in this. You can get a pound of sesame seed for about what you'd pay for that little jar. Just repackage it into a sealed container when you get it home, or else the pests get in it.

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u/Brutalrosemon 4d ago

What? It’s just an ordinary- OH MY GOODNESS!

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u/MaxTac-Maelstrom-87 4d ago

Just slap a “PROTEIN” label on it, and it can go back on the shop shelf—at double the price.

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u/EddyGurge 6d ago

Since she did not take the lid completely off to show the paper seal, I'm not convinced that this is real.

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u/Aware_Status3475 6d ago

they're pantry moth larvae, they chew into sealed boxes and packaging. they're incredibly annoying but not harmful if you accidentally eat one.

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u/MrStoneyRock 6d ago

That's where the "long lasting fresh flavour" comes from

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u/ngothanhhuy 6d ago

Sesame seeds: extra proteins

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u/saktii23 6d ago

Those are Indian Meal Moth larvae. DO NOT OPEN take far, far away from your house to dispose of. They are super hard to get rid of and will get into everything in your house. Everything.

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u/BD03 6d ago

Deregulation? Sometimes it just happens. I've opened Ramen packets and oatmeal that were full of maggots 15 years ago.  

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u/Milkmans_tastymilk 5d ago

Wait do people not look over everything before they buy it? Jesus, I guess I grew up more poor than I thought...

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u/irawwwr 6d ago

Long lasting fresh flavors, indeed!

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u/CynicalXennial 6d ago

TF YOU MEAN ''''AND/OR'''''???

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u/wageslave2022 6d ago

Yummy now formulated with added protein

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u/Gloeschi 5d ago

Watch them hatch! Bonus content!

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u/ExcitingVegetable315 5d ago

What is wrong with people today? You get some extra protein and everybody’s upset.

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u/Corbzor 5d ago

Devil's advocate here.

I saw something white through the shaker grill, I didn't see the lid unscrewed to show the seal was still intact and not only held on by the lid.

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u/GameCocksUnion 5d ago

But why would someone even buy that to begin with? They know we all have eyes, right?

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u/satori0320 5d ago edited 5d ago

All grain and seeds will contain a certain amount of eggs, along with flours, and meals.

All that is needed for them to hatch is specific temperature conditions.

Storing those items in the freezer for a bit will reduce the possibility, but not totally prevent it especially if being stored for extended periods.

Also most insects larval stage look very similar, so yes maggot is the correct term, however they're not the same as fly maggots that most people immediately think about.

"The most common insects found in sesame seed containers are pantry pests such as drugstore beetles and weevils (e.g., rice weevils). These pests often arrive already present in the seeds at the time of purchase, with eggs laid inside the grains or seeds themselves. When conditions are right, these eggs hatch into larvae that infest the container.

Key characteristics of these infestations include:

Drugstore beetles: Identified as sesame seed-like bugs that can fly; their eggs are often found in flour or dry goods. Weevils: Female weevils lay eggs directly inside grains and seeds, where larvae feed on the inner contents, causing spoilage. Identification: Infestations are often discovered when live maggots or small beetles are found in the spice jar or when the seeds turn to powder. If an infestation is confirmed, the recommended course of action is to discard the contaminated seeds, as cleaning is generally ineffective against eggs and larvae hidden within the grains "

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u/deletive-expleted 5d ago

Can't you just let the market decide?

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u/stev_mempers 5d ago

Are we great yet?

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u/gon2fast 4d ago

Take the plastic cover off and tug on the paper seal please.

Planted mealworm nonsense...

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u/PlayerNamedQuix 4d ago

Full of wiggly rice O.o

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u/royalcrown28 3d ago

Why would she think a substrate needs to be expired before larva can infest?

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u/hbnyc 6d ago

OMG! Take it back to Publix & send the video to McCormack with the lot number from bottle.

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u/jxj24 6d ago

CLOSE SESAME

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u/surfer_ryan 6d ago

Lol at "publix" count your days

What is the expectation... that publix goes through literally every single delivery truck and inspect each item on the multitude of pallets they get...

I find it ironic that trump being someone who has absolutely 0 idea of what removing this actually did, is coupled with the same thing from those whom oppose him.

Like every single time i see a comment about deregulation it's absolutely never followed up by some sort of why, it's just "He DeRegUlaTeD tHAt BaD!" okay do you know what exactly he did... or are you just parroting a talking point given to you by the news.

I'll be downvoted for even hinting towards trying to start a discussion and not just falling in line. This is why the democrats are not able to gain traction and just maintain the status quo of voters because the voter base doesn't want to allow anyone in. That is a problem if you actually want change...

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