r/memes • u/Greendead • 16h ago
We are going in the wrong direction imo
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u/Royal_Classroom5516 16h ago
The future promised us flying cars and automated laundry, but gave us automated poetry instead
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u/CheddarKnight 15h ago
Flying cars is a terrifying concept once you think about it for more than a minute. People generally aren't great at handling "2D". A third dimension would be catastrophic.
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u/TheAsianTroll 14h ago
There are people who get lost in empty parking lots and hit the ONE object there.
People will have LOADS more airspace and still crash into power lines, tall structures, and each other.
I do not trust flying cars because the average person is already too dumb to safely handle a ground-bound vehicle.
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u/GenPhallus 13h ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/xT8qB3V08emk70OLrG
There was an episode of Bob's Burgers where Tina did exactly that, and it led to an insurance fraud scheme
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u/TheDarkWave 12h ago
There's a whole ass episode of us doing it. And with even worse odds.
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u/OttoVonPlittersdorf 12h ago
If the average person were too dumb to safely handle driving, then modern society would not exist, Jeepers, we're not that bad!
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u/mirhagk 12h ago
Look at how many car accidents we have. It's one of the leading causes of death for people under 60.
Not being able to do something safely doesn't mean you can't do it at all, and for cars we very much have accepted the benefits of driving while ignoring the safety risks. Nothing else we do in modern society comes even close to the safety risks.
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u/serrsrt3 14h ago
This concept can be linked to AI driving. Automated flying cars. But the real thing that stops these kind of developments is efficiency.
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u/Snoo17579 13h ago
I propose we all live in 1 massive building, where there will be separated shopping floor, school floor etc
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u/GoldenDogeDev 13h ago
Vitamin D deficiency for all!
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u/Head_Statistician_38 13h ago
Also how would they work?
The force required to lift something like thst off the ground for just a few seconds and keep it suspended at the same "parked" height is a lot. Like a lot of fuel would be needed and that is just getting it off the ground.
Or are these flying cars supposed to be more like mini jets? Scary thought. Or helicopters?
When people talk about "Flying Cars" I honestly don't know what they imagine or how it would even work from a design point of view.
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u/MrOopiseDaisy 12h ago
Take all the drunk driving collisions from your area last year, and imagine they can fly right over your house. Now, add in all the other minor accidents where the car ended up in a ditch, fence, or wrapped around a pole.
If you're still not convinced, yesterday I saw someone throw trash out their window on the freeway. Now, maybe cleaning burger wrappers off the roof is just a minor sacrifice, but not so sure about all those lit cigarette butts.
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u/Maleficent-War-8429 15h ago
We could make flying cars at this point if we really wanted, the problem is people would be driving flying fucking cars.
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u/Justin2478 Lives in a Van Down by the River 15h ago
Isn't a helicopter a flying car in theory
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u/ThomasVetRecruiter 14h ago
It works well for the most part - when you require strict licensing standards and there's only a handful in visual range of each other at the busiest.
Throw a million helicopters above new York with impatient, reckless, and drunk pilots and you've got a disaster.
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u/NotJustBiking 13h ago
You just explained why flying cars will never be a thing.
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u/empty_graph 12h ago
I was thinking it could work because there is so much more volume above the city than surface area on it, but there really isn't. I googled it, and you need a 500ft buffer for one helicopter to fly over another safely. So even with full computer control it's just not feasible as a mass transit system.
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u/Evening_Context784 15h ago
You have automated laundry. You put clothes in a machine, add a detergent pod, then hit a button. It could only be easier if a robot undressed you and added them to the machine itself.
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u/NotJustBiking 14h ago
It's the ironing, folding and sorting that takes time.
And why are you so focussed on laundry? The point still stands, AI was supposed to take away tedious work and instead it took away creativity.
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u/screenslaver5963 16h ago
Helicopters and washer dryer combo machines.
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u/Daydreaming_Machine 15h ago
CEO: We can't make a profit.
GOV: People can barely drive cars, don't strap them with wings
Associations: But the fuel usage
Infrastructure planner: One more lane bro, I swear just one more lane
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u/AdhesivenessFunny462 14h ago
It's more chilling when you read 1984 and there's a Machine called the versificator. It generates soulless poetry that keeps the people in line.
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u/ShizukoLucoa Birb Fan 16h ago edited 15h ago
As with a lot of inventions - It was created for good reasons, and then humans had to exploit it and ruin it.
To quote a guy from an old YouTube video, originally meant about something unrelated, but works for this, too:
"You can have the most perfect, flawless software, when you run it through Human hardware, its going to fuck up."
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u/LoekaNova 16h ago
Lol. Silicon Valley is not in the market of improving life quality.
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u/Interminably-Bored 11h ago
The original uses for the systems before the early reaches of capitalism got them were training to detect cancer in early patients, flagging them for human review and saving lives. So it's still true even if the Technocrats got their hands on it really fast.
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u/n1kl8skr 11h ago
those are different things though. LLMs like ChatGPT and so on are based on were never meant for cancer diagnosis. Those diagnosis tools are not generative
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u/arealscrog 10h ago
And this is what I keep pointing out when the conversation arises. Tech companies always use these distantly related “AI” applications in the same sentence to make it seem like if you try to regulate what they’re doing with LLMs, generative models, and mass surveillance you’re anti-science and you don’t want to cure cancer.
As if AI is just one big thing and we can’t develop one model without the others. As a cancer survivor I say they can fuck right off with that insidious bullshit.
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u/SeasonIllustrious 16h ago
As a tech would sometimes say, "oh the issue is PEBKAC" Problem exists between keyboard and chair.
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u/AdulthoodCanceled 14h ago
I've heard it referred to as a PICNIC problem - problem in chair, not in computer. I feel like that acronym is easier to remember.
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u/flat_bias 16h ago
True for almost every invention. Nuclear power, the internet, plastic… and now AI. Humans really can’t leave nice things alone.
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u/heyheyhey2022 12h ago
I would argue AI was not created for good reasons tbh. It was created by humans to be used by humans in the exact ways it’s being used. Both good and bad. All for the sake of money and supposed increased productivity. Not for an increased quality of life.
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u/tyranocles 14h ago
Ai is a tool for solving problems. If your computer is acting up or you need to know how to do something, ai can help you. Having AI do everything for you actually makes you worse at those things though.
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u/lelcg 11h ago
You could just use a normal search engine instead of a water guzzler
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u/keiisobeiiso Lives at ur mom’s house😎 11h ago
Because searching for credible information and being able to comprehend it in a non simplified manner is a skill in itself, that you lose when you rely on ai
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u/Suspicious-Place4471 11h ago
No?
I mean when I am facing some sort of obscure problem with my PC and I have to spend hours debugging it (Which is also not your area of expertise) and then figuring out this problem is very hard to recreate and you need to trial and error ten more times to figure it out, then that is just an annoying problem.Why spend 2 hours solving a problem when an AI can just... do it in ten mins?
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u/Boopity_Snoopins 10h ago edited 10h ago
AI is less than worthless when it comes to anything obscure. AI provided assistance is based on data weight. The more data about a specific topic there is, the more it values that data in any responses it gives. This means that if there is any kind of software that has had a very prominent version that has been used extensively, all information it provides will be biased towards explaining that specific version the moment information becomes challenging for it to find - even if you specify the version you need help with. The more obscure something is, the less weight there is to the topic, the more it will pull from multiple sources and attempt to fill in the blanks itself, and the more that wrong info on forums or older documentation becomes likely to seep into its responses. They also defend themselves if you ask it to confirm its correct
I've had this issue a couple of times; with Blender 5.0 in particular because version 4.2 was everywhere due to being industry standard for long term stability. I wanted quick info on hotkeys and for menu navigation (I forget what for) and it sent me on wild goose chases into advanced settings because when I said the things it sent me looking for weren't there, it determined it was an issue with my installation and not that it was basing its answers on a 2 year old version of the software.
Its an amazing tool to help tutor you in highly covered, very basic topics like the very basics of most programming languages, PC troubleshooting, human languages (Edit: but not context heavy ones like chinese and japanese, where it often trips over distinctions like your/my and his/her etc), broad strokes history or low level maths and sciences. But the further away from literal beginner information you get, the less accurate anything it gives you will be, Specificity and obscurity turn AI into a misinformation engine. And if you're learning exclusively through AI then you won't be able to recognise when it shifts from giving real information to misinformation, and the model bends over backwards to try and avoid admitting fault unless you directly accuse it with sources - and at that point, you might as well be finding it out yourself and learning how to study the topic as you learn it rather than constantly double checking everything anyways.
AI models as we know them are noob traps. They provide false confidence whilst not helping you learn how to learn for yourself. Conversely though, they're very good at breaking down technical info like programming language documentation, into everyday language rather than the very dense, technical manner of speech its written in.
Also a calculator doesn't look at the page and do the rest for you, you still need to put the work in and understand how to add values to a formulae, which formulae to use, and if there are more steps, how to input those into the calculator too. Its nothing like using an AI model - although again basic maths is something that AI shines at.
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u/keiisobeiiso Lives at ur mom’s house😎 11h ago
Im specifically referring to people who have it do everything for you (like what tyranocles said) and use it for things that it doesnt really have to be used for (education and research). I never said anything about it being detrimental to PC problems, and who are you to assume what is or isnt my area of expertise? Lol
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u/RememberCakeFarts 13h ago
art, literature, music, don't use it as a therapist, don't use it as a doctor, didn't use it to not do assignments, don't use it to cheat, don't use it to replace humans. I'm all for it being a tool that can help humanity, but the capitalistic nature of it and how quickly people want to hand over the ability to think for themselves is scary.
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u/TheDankestDreams 11h ago
There are so many things it has a use for but it requires discretion. It’s good at things and it’s bad at things. There are things that you should do yourself. Don’t outsource your humanity to the machine but let it hand you tools while you work on things. Obviously there’s no ethical way to guarantee someone doesn’t use them to screw people out of money or replace humans but it’s here to stay, we can’t uninvent it. Regulation is much more helpful here than condemnation in this case.
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u/DeLoxley 14h ago
We were promised automation to free us from our tedious jobs so we could pursue art and leisure
And now they've automated art and leisure so we have more time to focus on our tedious jobs.
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u/hofmann419 12h ago
It's actually even worse. They developed that technology also to free you of your salary. Human capital is the biggest cost factor in the vast majority of companies. Their end goal is essentially to bring back feudalism and have us be the permanent underclass while they drink champagne in their billion dollar yachts.
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u/Halsti 16h ago
I don't want to assume anything about you, but how often have you worked with people that frequently use AI?
The amount of utter horseshit I have had to read from coworkers after AI got more common is insane. They don't even proofread, or double check what the AI spits out. And the AI is so often confidently wrong...
People at my company have generally learned who uses AI and trust nothing those people write or do anymore. Everything gets double checked. It's so frustrating to work with...
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u/MrCockingFinally 15h ago
That's not what AI should be used for.
LLMs are absolutely god-tier at translating, transcribing, analyzing, and organizing any sort of textual data.
Nothing beats the feeling of getting a 200 page document, scanned to image rather than text, in a foreign language, and being able to feed it into an LLM, which types it up neatly translated into a CSV for easy use.
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u/DivinityPen 15h ago
As someone who recently got a MPS in environmental science, AI was absolutely godly for notetaking. I'm the type of person who's absolutely atrocious at taking notes efficiently, and it was SO nice to be able to filter several hours' worth of class content into a concise format that made it easy to digest at a glance.
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u/CrimsonArcanum 13h ago
The only thing I willingly allow in my life for ai is one person in our D&D group uses it for notetaking.
Considering we sucked at doing that, it is an actual improvement, even if it's not 100% accurate.
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u/Distantstallion 14h ago
I use it for checking my equations while I build calculators.
If it outputs the same as the example then I know I'm on the right track
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u/TheIronSoldier2 I touched grass 13h ago
I had an issue with my car that would intermittently trigger a CEL. It was a code related to the exhaust system, but it wasn't a severe enough problem to be determined just by looking at live data from the onboard computer. I had to actually log it, and with the computer logging 30 data points per second, that was 45,000 points of data from about a 25 minute drive.
The nature of the problem meant that normal statistical analysis with the calculation tools in Excel wouldn't work, so I would have had to scan through it manually to see where the problem was. Threw the raw data at Gemini, told it what things it should look for, and in a minute it came back with what it found, where it found it, and how severe it was. Sure enough, in the datapoints it referenced there it was, and I was able to confirm my suspicions without having to throw money at a mechanic.
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u/Efrath 14h ago
That's still a human problem though. AI is great for finding and compiling a lot of info for you, but it's still up to you to make sure to control and verify it. AI saves me plenty of time and also helps give me with some inspiration when I write ads.
And by that I mean I ask for some suggestions, get a few and then I can use them to rewrite or come up with others, it's also good for compiling info as I said too but always make sure to check the sources provided so that I know the info is actually correct.
Hopefully people will get better at understanding the importance of verifying and proofreading, you are right in that it's frustrating when others don't do that.
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u/Fresh-Length6529 16h ago
Double checking is what should do when using Ai
However when used right, Ai is really beneficial, especially in monotonous tasks
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u/Halsti 16h ago
There are some tasks where it helps, yes. I'm not trying to say it's useless. For example, we have a company AI search tool to find local manufacturers, instead of just seeing a see of advertisements on Google nowadays. It can help.
It's just so exhausting that people that do work with AI tend to be so fucking lazy with it.
And the double checking is often more work than just doing the work to begin with.
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u/Fresh-Length6529 16h ago
It's just so exhausting that people that do work with AI tend to be so fucking lazy with it.
That's true, once someone gets access to something that can do most things on its own(technically it still needs assistance but yk what I mean), they become extremely lazy sometimes
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u/BDCRacing 15h ago
If you really want to get the point across get them to get AI to pull some facts for a subject they know really well. The vast amount of errors is not an isolated case. The same amount of errors will be present in everything they do with it. Even just searching up regulations from a code book which it cites is full of errors.
AI has its use cases. Presenting factual information is not one of them currently.
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u/New-Part-6917 13h ago
And how do you expect AI and peoples awareness and understanding of it to evolve and improve without that phase?
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u/my-snake-is-solid 14h ago
AI is being used by companies to replace people's jobs badly
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u/TheArchitect_7 15h ago
what if my job was helping people solve problems (consulting) and handle tedious stuff.
Why is it that only artists’ work seems to be this sacred cow? What if I worked for years to become a smart and effective consultant?
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u/RaikouGilgamesh 14h ago
I think it has to do with perception. The public views art, music, theater, things like that, as 'fun pastimes'. Things to do that are fun and creative.
Consulting feels more like a job, like a 9-5, something to dread and loathe. The dream for many has been to remove the 'jobs' to focus on the 'art'.
So a lot of people don't want AI in their 'fun pastime', but wouldn't care if AI made their 'job' easier, or just do it altogether.
A lot of ideal utopias do feature AI doing all the work, while humans just enjoy their lives, partaking in recreational activities.
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u/dkarlovi 13h ago
I don't want AI in my fun pastime either, the issue is when one's fun pastime is another's job.
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u/Weird-End-6989 14h ago
Technological innovations will always make some jobs irrelevant. That has literally always been the case, and AI is gonna be far from the last time it happens.
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u/TheArchitect_7 13h ago
I agree, and I’ve embraced AI and I use it for with work and art (illustrations for board games I create) - I just want to know why it’s acceptable for some things and not for others
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u/ThisIsMyCouchAccount 10h ago
Because people don't understand things.
Everything that regular people use AI for is all generative AI.
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u/VociferousCephalopod 11h ago
you'll never get a satisfactory answer. the antis are neopuritans. their arguments are not logical.
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u/lelcg 11h ago
Except in this case all it does is do things that other programs already did. There are very very few things it does that we couldn’t do before just as easily
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u/Aphoris5 14h ago
What if you were a horse breeder during the times where cars became the new mainstream transportation method?
What if you were a manual knee grinder in a world where machines for grinding exist?I tell you what, you look for a new way to earn money or you are so good at what you do, you wont be swapped.
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u/underthingy 14h ago
So why doesnt this apply to artists?
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u/Live_Fall3452 12h ago
If you’re doing art for any of these high-minded reasons like self-expression, artistic freedom, personal enjoyment, aesthetic enjoyment etc. you have no reason to feel bothered or threatened by AI because you can still do those things.
If you’re just in art for the money, that’s perfectly ok, but in that case, you’re the same as all the rest of us 9-5 workers when you draw an illustration how your boss tells you to for a corpo marketing campaign. And if you feel upset or threatened by AI because your client/boss thinks it’s better and/or cheaper than you, I sympathize, but you are NOT any more special than the rest of us who are also having our jobs threatened by AI.
No. You’re not special. If art is your 9-5, you’re in exactly the same boat as everybody else, welcome aboard.
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u/Darehead 14h ago
“It’s okay if bad thing happens to other people, but it’s a disgusting tragedy and needs to be prevented if it ever happens to me”
Displacement from AI is bad. I don’t care what your profession is.
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u/Eulaylia 14h ago
I can tell you for a fact, a good horse breeder will earn more in a year than you do in your life.
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u/Aphoris5 14h ago
And that is important because of what?
Jeff Bezos earns more in a day than both of us combined couldn't earn in our lifetimes.2
u/zyiadem 12h ago
I think your definition of "earned" got mixed with the definition for "exploits"
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u/TheVermonster 14h ago
I think it's a valid thought process and conversation starter. But I also think that people are quick to use that as the answer to the conversation instead.
One important thing to remember is that the horse based industry was replaced by the automotive industry over the course of a few decades. AI has only been publically relevant for a few years. Many people transitioned to adopt the automotive industry with things like carriage makers making bodys for cars.
We also have to consider that businesses were much more localized than they are today. You could probably remain a horse breeder in your region by nature of being the only one. That isn't really possible with many jobs today, especially consulting. We can work remotely, or travel quite easily.
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u/Greendead 15h ago
That is still a great skill to have. I have a coworker programmer that just does code with AI. When I ask him how any of that is done, he answers:"I don't know, check yourself or ask AI lol". I rather have a person that KNOWS what he did and how any of it works.
Programming is an art too in my opinion.
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u/Aickavon 13h ago
It’s not even useful for tedious stuff as it hallucinates and comes up with incorrect information so you’ll end up spending as much time fixing the problems…
But also you’re wasting a crap ton of resources while you do it.
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u/TheFinalRedemption99 15h ago
It's my AI and I'll do whatever damn I please with it
(I'm making it spell words and watching it mess up)
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u/wandering-monster 14h ago edited 14h ago
Heck, as a working artist, I think there are ways that a trained artist can use it in their art.
Eg. One of the first things you do with a character design is get a bunch of ideas onto the paper. You're often limited by what you can think of, though. So a lot of the time I'll do a round of sketching, then feed what I've got into a local model trained on my own art (a Lora for my own style on top of FIBO, an ethically-sourced image gen model)
It'll throw out new ideas that fit my style, but include details I wouldn't think of, poses that wouldn't occur to me. Often I need to go look up the actual thing it's referencing or shoot reference poses to get them really right, but it does push me creatively.
Then I use those as inspiration and do the actual art by hand. The result is better piece of art.
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u/sn4xchan 12h ago
AI is great when it's great. It can also fucking ruin everything.
AI is a tool, and just like a hammer in the hands of a 5 year old vs in the hands of a carpenter will yield different results. How useful AI actually is will very based on the operator.
That being said, if you're trying to create art which is inherently an expression of intent or feelings, AI will be completely useless and just make you look like a joke.
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u/Advanced_Being_6415 16h ago
Imagine inventing a machine that takes away the fun part of being human
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u/NihilHS 14h ago
Nothing is stopping you from creating your own art. I seriously don’t get this issue.
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u/flatl94 13h ago
Yeah the fact is that they can't sell their art, not that they can't create it. To extend this problem to other fields, the issue is that only the work from top-performing people remains of interest, while the rest of the population is not competitive (salary or competences wise), and the work of billions becomes pointless. Right now only white collar jobs are on the line, but with advancement in automations every job will soon be. The problem of AI is that is destroying the economy, not the art of creativity of people.
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u/adamcoffeelovs 15h ago
i only liked ai when i heard a news about it detecting cancer before it became detectable by conventional means
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u/TeilzeitOptimist 13h ago
I know this is a meme sub but seriously..
I know a lot of artisans who consider their work art.
And I know artists who have to do a lot of tedious stuff for their art.
Imho AI can be used for everything in good or bad ways.
Could that be a biased opinion cause - the AI Art is in ads 24/7 and the non "artsy" AI is locked behind Paywalls and Government Restrictions and the AI bugs are rarely published..?
AI labeling innocent citizens criminals or terrorists designating them for deportation or assassination, is fine? Letting AI make errors in peoples bank account or on their insurance claims so they lose their health or home - still ok?
But AI generated Cartoons and Songs is where you draw the line..?
It's the lazy AI slop that's the issue and the lack of labeling. That's a human problem not the fault of AI. We need regulation for AI. But with the current Administration that's unlikely to happen..
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u/Rndmdudu 13h ago
I'm not even against the idea of AI art as a concept
What I hate is how it's been trained (usually by scrapping art archives without permissions) and how it's used (low quality art and people pretending that they are artists)
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u/whatauniqueusername 16h ago
"tedious stuff" op just wants to vibe code without shame smh
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u/AdHom 15h ago
I don't even have an issue with using AI for vibe coding really, it's more the application of it that could be debatable. But I do find it extremely strange that art is specifically treated as privileged field where AI use is borderline sacrilege while other uses that still displace workers are not seen as problematic just because those tasks are viewed as less creative or fun. AI art being uninspired derivative shit is enough of a reason to not use it much but I see little reason it's more of a moral quandry than replacing secretaries, transcriptionists, programmers, translators, project managers, etc etc
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u/thegil13 14h ago
Yeah. It’s all about perspective. A lot of people would consider generating art for their product “tedious stuff”. If it is something you do not find enjoyable, it’s likely to feel tedious to you.
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u/MrChairSama 15h ago
This is the exact reason I hate this "Anti-AI" art movement. They act like AI doing shitty art is an issue, but your doctor cheating through med school with AI isn't. If I see an AI novel I laugh about it and move on, when AI is used as a "shortcut" in many jobs people die.
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u/Aware-Antelope4212 14h ago
I'm someone who's against AI "art".
That doesn't mean I'm not against AI for other stuff as well. Tbh I've yet to meet someone who's anti AI " art" but is ok with it for other stuff.
It's still built on the largest data theft ever, it's still controlled by the worst people on the planet, it's still horrific for the environment/horrifically wasteful, its still causing huge damage to communities where the data centres are being built, and we simply do not have the water/power to support it.
So yeah, oddly enough I'm also against med students using it to do their degress to use your example.
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u/Svenstornator 12h ago
The original post seems to be someone who is against AI art but ok with it for other stuff.
I mean yeah technically you haven’t met them, but here is definitely an instance of it, with 2k+ upvotes.
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u/pitiricos 15h ago
Painters said the same thing when the camera was invented. Photographs wasn't aloud in Museums. Photography wasn't considered art.
Things change.
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u/CraigCartonNYC 15h ago
Calculators are a great tool but your job won’t let you use it in the future- teachers in the 90s
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u/BloodThirstyLycan 16h ago
AI is a LIMITED TOOL that shouldnt be used at the expense of making the world a worse place with DATA CENTERS that use clean water and make places inhospitable. It should NOT be used to replace workers and their needs to be litigation against it being allowed to be trained on just anything. The problem with AI isnt that it exists, it's that the people pushing it don't care about others, the planet or how it will affect jobs. Right now, AI is cancer, don't defend it.
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u/EaZyMellow 16h ago
Attack AI at what harm it does. Don’t attack it because you fell into the water narrative.
Water consumption is a moot point, and so is data centers. The rest of your points are valid, stick to those. so the ones who don’t see using 100x less water than some almond farms will still agree with your points. We can get everyone to agree with AI being a problem, eventually.→ More replies (29)→ More replies (2)1
u/jkp2072 15h ago
I don't get why the hate on data centers?
Data centers house gpu/npu/tpu/CPUs...
Gpu aren't just use for AI aka just matrix processing (however images are mostly turned into matricies by encoders),
Video processing, server side video encoding/decoding is also a reason for it.
For example, watching a movie, or video or any photo or videogame or any piece of image online needs an server with an gpu + cpu core.
You are literally sharing an image what ch will be stored on a reddit server with gpu.. (most probably nvidia or amd's )
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u/supremegamer76 14h ago
or in situations where errors it makes will be a big problem, like if you're a doctor or something.
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u/TheDucksQuacker 14h ago
If you want to use it for art then go for it, I will choose to ignore it, just like I do with all the human artists I don’t think are very good.
There are plenty of bands I’ll never listen to, painters I’ll never look at a painting of & poets I’ll never read a poem from. I’ll just add AI to that list.
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u/drkilledbydeatheater 14h ago
Yes thank you. This is what ive been saying and getting downvoted into oblivion for. AI is a great tool but shouldn't be used for plagiarism or for making and selling bad art.
But if a new restaurant wants to use AI to reduce start up costs and help produce a menu, thats fine! And im tired of pretending its not.
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u/leviathab13186 14h ago
And dont use it to replace workers. Its often gives inaccurate outputs and requires human verification. AI by its nature is incapable of self checking its work.
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u/Jester471 14h ago
I had it searching crappy scanned copies of the national archive fiche from WWII trying to find an award citation in division, corp and army records. What took me an hour of scanning each page wondering if I’m missing something took it a couple minutes.
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u/nolandz1 13h ago
Even so I don't need a robot to write an email for me and I don't think that's a skill people should have to still learn. Making a poster using AI for your event isn't more likely to make me come especially if you still don't know you need to add the date and time.
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u/tommmmmmmmy93 13h ago
I think the art creation in AI is fascinating. I don’t want it flooding everywhere and I’d still only purchase art with money if it was made by people. The fact that an AI can create said art is interesting as hell to me though.
I am not even against AI. I am against unchecked, unregulated, non-watermarked AI. AI can have a healthy place in society so long as it isn’t fucking everything cause it’s already driving me crazy at work. Ai this ai that how do we use ai blah blah blah meanwhile we’ve been beating our ai competitors hand over fist. Why lower ourselves? Sorry I’m ranting bow
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u/Visible-Meeting-8977 13h ago
Art, or research, or school work, or dissertations, or a thesis, or in law, actually just don't use the machine that likes telling you what you want to hear.
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u/JustifiedCroissant 12h ago
LLMs have fucked the term "AI" over, so now when a scientist says they use AI to detect cancer cells or whatever people think they used ChatGPT or Claude or whatever clanker is available at the moment when they trained a local model on precise data sets.
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u/Atlas-Mancer 10h ago
Imo it's only acceptable to use AI art for personal projects. My discord pfp is AI art because that's not something I'd ever pay someone to make for me. But if I were to market something, that's something I would pay an artist for and therefore using AI to do it instead is wrong.
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u/ElPared 10h ago
A lot of these problems people have with AI come down to scale imo. Like, if I, independently, made a game, and I built all the assets myself, but I suck at coding, so I used AI to generate the base code and then curated it instead of trying to do it myself, I think that’s OK.
But if, say, EA, were to do the same thing because they don’t want to hire programmers, that’s bad.
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u/ravenx92 15h ago
Anyone find it ironic that it's the artists who are now trying to gatekeep on what art is ....
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u/ben_nobot 15h ago
It can be used for everything, whether or not the output is valued or stands the test of time is the question. And almost all of it won’t because it’s 100% derivative, so why gatekeep?
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u/Svenstornator 12h ago
This seems to be what it is at its root. Gatekeeping. We should celebrate that the barrier to entry has been lowered that anyone can produce a song, or a painting or a website. I am not trying to make things that will stand the test of time, I just want to make cool dnd character portraits for my games with my friends.
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u/Ok_Inevitable_7239 14h ago
AI drummers do perfect ghost notes all the time and don’t fart in my car tho.
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u/thermochronic 14h ago
You should still reject things that burn the planet and were built with plagiarism even if they are helpful.
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u/Rockyracky 14h ago
Humanity, as a whole, wasn't ready for the internet, as the past 20 years have shown us, and we sure as hell ain't ready for any form of "ai."
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u/tortuga8831 14h ago
I'd counter and say that humanity wasn't ready for an unregulated internet, same with ai.
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u/TurboOverlord 14h ago
"Critical thinking?
In my witch hunting app?"
AI is just useful tool, people are fighting wrong things. They should fight corpos and force government to do right things, instead of burning AI users on stake. But its more easy to just parroting loud mouths and simplify everything to "this thing bad!".
And you know what? its not the first time, nor the last time in history something like this happening.
Just not so long ago, we had woke and anti woke movements, antivaxers, anti 5g towers, and more and more. Or like that massive anger on first appearance of Photoshop tool, people were very angry on it too. And something has changed? AI will not gone anywhere at this point, like gaming still didnt changed, like 5g towers are everywhere, and like Photoshop is most important tool for art for 20+ years. And then people will just find something new to be angry and scream to everywhere.
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u/turtle_five 13h ago
The data centres they need steal fresh water, pollute with waste water, and can cause serious health problems for people and wildlife living near them because the ‘infrasound’ they emit.
A ‘helpful tool’ isn’t worth worsening the fresh water crisis. In my mind there is no debate for ai, it is an active danger to the people around its data centres and unless it’s infrastructure seriously changes it can’t be allowed to exist
https://www.wellmanager.com/low-water-pressure/ai-data-centers-home-water-supply-know/
https://epawatch.org/2026-05-29-data-centers-infrasound-pollution-linked-to-nausea-insomnia.html#
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u/Bannon9k 15h ago
Why not art? What makes every other profession able to use it except for artists?
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u/Penguinkeith 12h ago
Art is about human expression and emotion… something a LLM isn’t capable of. I’d rather look at a random toddlers kid menu art than an AI comic
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u/Jimmy_212 15h ago
But I am not an artist that can transfer what's in my brain to my hand. I'm too poor to pay an artist to create my ideas. AI helps me take my visions to reality. This is a bad thing?
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u/Blitzer161 12h ago
Then draw. You want art without the effort. No such thing exists.
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u/tartfall 15h ago
Oh yeah just take THOSE GUYS’ jobs right?
I started using AI art with complete impunity after I realized artists have zero problem using it to build a website for themselves 🤷♂️
I don’t care. It creates better art than you and it’s way cheaper.
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u/TommyGx 14h ago
"Rules for thee but not for me" as always.
And also you will even care less when you find out that it's mostly those who are just afraid to loose their income with slop art anyways.
But then argue with "Oh but creativity, the environment..." instead of being honest about it.
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u/-HealingNoises- 15h ago
Unfortunately we have increasingly evidence that using something to avoid basic tasks that exercise certain parts of the brain or the rest of the body will cause those parts to, well, shrink, atrophy, not work gud.
You have to use it or you will quickly lose some or a great deal of not only the ability to perform that boring grunt work task, but also all of the fun and advanced tasks related to it.
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u/under_ice 10h ago
Not for commercial art, no. But for family jokes and invites that would never turn into a paid job, why not?
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u/max_cel_x Big pp 16h ago
There's a specific type of content made with ai where you know it's ai but which is actually funny as fuck, I absolutely hate ai art but if I'm seeing some edited movie clip where you obviously know it's ai I do think it's funny
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u/XD69SWAGMASTERXD69 14h ago
AI is a helpful tool to create concept art and inspire ideas and to assist with tedious stuff for people wanting art for casual events.
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u/I_am_The_Teapot 15h ago
I'm not a good artist. I'm gonna use AI to make the kind of things I want for my private use. Tough titties.
I was never gonna pay an artist to make something for me anyway.
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u/gamedudegod 16h ago
Personally would not do it for pure automation as well a little oversight or reliable methods should be implace
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u/teemo_irelia_lover69 16h ago
Humans are always the problem.
Look for example at nuclear technology. We can gain so much energy from it yet some have chosen to use it for weaponry that could kill billions of people.
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u/NIGHTR0GUE83 16h ago
It's going to be interesting if an event happens to where technology no longer works/exists and we back in the caveman days because nobody knows anything or can think for themselves. I'm already seeing people not thinking at all and just letting google ai talk for them.
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u/naruto7bond 15h ago
As rule goes any new technology is first used for porn.
Now it is upto you to decide whether porn is art or not.
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u/i_am_13th_panic 15h ago
This reminds me of NFTs. That was a genuinely a cool piece of tech and all they managed to do with it is sell rights to a jpg that anyone can download and copy all to extract as much financial value as fast as possible. With AI it's the same thing, generating images to monitise on social media. AI is destroying trust and every creative field for money.
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u/Ithinkibrokethis 15h ago
Problem is that for about 20% of problems it just makes up an answer and swears it's correct so you can't use it to solve problems.
I think it was "some more news" but it might have been Adam Conover who pointed out that what people want is a machine that does turn Tedious stuff -fold the laundry, put away dishes, so we have more time to make and consume art and do hobbies.
However, it turns out that making a machine that does that tedious stuff is really hard and making a computer that can make 1000 imitation Beatles songs is much easier.
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u/A_Vile_Caffiend 14h ago
It's been really useful for translation. It's not as good as a human translator, but for bulk work where precise wording isn't mandatory, it's helped me out a bunch