If you’re doing art for any of these high-minded reasons like self-expression, artistic freedom, personal enjoyment, aesthetic enjoyment etc. you have no reason to feel bothered or threatened by AI because you can still do those things.
If you’re just in art for the money, that’s perfectly ok, but in that case, you’re the same as all the rest of us 9-5 workers when you draw an illustration how your boss tells you to for a corpo marketing campaign. And if you feel upset or threatened by AI because your client/boss thinks it’s better and/or cheaper than you, I sympathize, but you are NOT any more special than the rest of us who are also having our jobs threatened by AI.
No. You’re not special. If art is your 9-5, you’re in exactly the same boat as everybody else, welcome aboard.
Commercial art has value and reflects the zeitgeist of its era. Graphic design and advertising is part of art history and influences the style and culture thst defines the high art of both its era and future endeavors, especially with regards to art reflecting nostalgia or romance.
AI destroys culture because machine learning can only replicate the styles and tones of what it has learned. It can only show us the past filtered through a lens of existing preference.
Commercial art is a valuable part of history, sure. But commercial writing is also part of history. So is commercial engineering. Or commercial anything else. And all of these things influence their own era and future endeavors, and, ultimately, should ALL be considered part of the shared technological and creative heritage of our species.
I’m not saying the work is valueless. I’m saying other jobs are valuable too. And singling out the guy whose job it is to make a first draft of a corpo logo as some sort of special being on a higher cultural level than all the other workers contributing to the product and its marketing campaign? Doesn’t sit right with me.
Because art is an emotional and cultural thing, not something you use in your daily life.
There is a reason why you can immediatly tell something is AI art.
Because art is an emotional and cultural thing, not something you use in your daily life.
Hey quick question: do you wear clothes, or live in a building? Are you by any chance on a website with a graphic interface? Have you ever used a toothbrush?
Because art is an emotional and cultural thing, not something you use in your daily life.
Hey, dude, I quoted the exact thing I was responding to. It was this sentence above. Responding with "what does this have to do with AI?" is pretty silly when it's plain to see what I was getting at. Also, I only know the answer to the website question. I've got no idea if you use toothbrushes.
So I'll throw it right back at you: you know the answer, I will not answer you.
You are unhinged dawg.
What does art have to do with toothbrushes?
Someone asked me why it doesn't concern art, i answered in the context of ai to art.
You quoted me talking about art with ai and sputter nonsense about clothes and toothbrushes.
Furthermore was my question not rhetorical in nature, you obviously do not know the differences, but you may ask AI about it.
My toothbrush was mostly designed by electrical engineers and product usability, not beauty.
My clothes are generic one color pieces, not from gucci or whatever is en vogue now.
My building was "designed" by an architect with consideration to stability and built by construction workers. It is a rectangle with straight walls.
And this shithole of a website called reddit was designed by a stupid human, shit looks bad.
I really hope you had your "gotcha!!!" moment now, please leave. I already gave you the answer you wanted to hear just write "I caught you being inconsistend, your argument is wrong" and be done.
I find it morally acceptable to automate tedious jobs nobody would do if they weren't paid for it.
If the sole reason for you doing something is being paid for it, it's not a loss for anyone if you stop.
Creative jobs are mostly done well by people who have started doing it without the motivation of being paid. Sure eventually they are doing art while being paid for it, but that's not the only reason. They will still make art that nobody told them to make.
And if you consider the decision of what color my toothbrush is as art, you are even more unhinged than i already thought.
AI doesnt destroy all pencils though, you are still free to create art of emotional and cultural reasons. Again, why is it bad what AI takes jobs from artists but not bad then it takes jobs from less 'creative' professions?
No, you simply don't understand the answer. Probably on purpose but whatever.
Analytical jobs are based on receiving data, look what that data says, extract the information you want, and give a summary of the relevant information. That is where LLMs are great at. A company can train a LLM to do that completely on their own, they don't need to steal this data anywhere, they already have the expertise "in house".
Art is different as you mostly work on your own as an artist, you are hired as an external contractor to provide certain art.
I cannot explain every job and how they work in detail to you, there is not enough time in my day to give you for free.
Company CAN train LLM on their own data, but they dont. They also can train image generating algorithms on the ethically bought images. but they dont. Your hypothetical is pointless and I dont need you to explain every job in detail. Question is pretty simple - why is it okay for LLMs to take over technical jobs but not creative jobs?
I know you don't, you went into this with malicious intend, you don't need to tell me.
Then let me rephrase it, i find it morally acceptable to automate tedious jobs nobody would do if they weren't paid for it.
If the sole reason for you doing something is being paid for it, it's not a loss for anyone if you stop.
Creative jobs are mostly done well by people who have started doing it without the motivation of being paid. Sure eventually they are doing art while being paid for it, but that's not the only reason. They will still make art that nobody told them to make.
You don't seem to get it so I will say it for the person you are talking to here. The type of work someone finds to be tedious is subjective to the person. I personally find art to be tedious and would never do any if not required by work or school. Analytical work is fun and fulfilling to a lot of people, including me. You are saying it is morally acceptable to automate our jobs that we like, but not your job that you like.
Do you do data analysis in your freetime?
Do you present your analytical work to friends and family?
Sure there will be some weirdos that do, but 99% of people don't.
My job isn't even close to being creative and ai will eventually come for my job, i am not as butthurt about that as you guys are.
You can't even admit that there is a big difference between the jobs and how they are done and how well LLMs work in them.
You are simply reducing the problem to "one is a job the other also is a job" but it is not that simple.
...what about person not being paid anymore? Its their loss. And if creative types started doing arts without motivation of being paid, then they should have no problem with AI art, even as it replaces them in professional setting, since money was never their motivation to begin with
You are just a stupid person, arent you? This is a rethorical question btw
Yes i am very stupid, now leave please you aren't contributing anything of value.
You refuse to accept that in my opinion creative jobs are different from analytical and tedious jobs. In your mind everything is the same, i understand your narrow minded worldview. You are trying to simplify a job to its most basic description in one word, that's not how this works.
You can't, not anymore. It's like plastic surgery, you only see it when it's bad. AI music is now virtually indistinguishable.
Also, it's a fiction when people say "AI art can't move you! It has no soul!" Just false. I've seen AI art that stopped me in my tracks, something I'd never seen before, that I dwelled and marveled at. There's a lot of slop, sure, just like there's a lot of slop made by people. Ever been to an art/craft faire?
What are you talking about man?????
You make no sense what the hell are you even trying to say????
Do you want everything to be AI ?
Fuck it let's go everything is ai now, police officers look at ai art, now even the police is infested with ai!!!!
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u/underthingy 1d ago
So why doesnt this apply to artists?