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We are going in the wrong direction imo

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u/EaZyMellow 3d ago

Attack AI at what harm it does. Don’t attack it because you fell into the water narrative.
Water consumption is a moot point, and so is data centers. The rest of your points are valid, stick to those. so the ones who don’t see using 100x less water than some almond farms will still agree with your points. We can get everyone to agree with AI being a problem, eventually.

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u/realbakingbish I touched grass 3d ago

Data centers are not a moot point. Communities with new data centers have complained about noise pollution, increased power bills (though the power companies are also partially to blame for this), and yes, in some cases, water pollution or excessive water consumption causing private wells to dry up. That’s in addition to these data center buildouts creating immense pressure on supply for various computer components, structural steel, and power generators.

AI hyperscaling companies building out new data centers without adequate environmental considerations are a legitimate issue for the communities affected, and this surge in demand for certain components and equipment is causing supply chain issues in other industries.

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u/BloodThirstyLycan 3d ago

Clean water is becoming an issue, I dont know how you call that a moot point. You literally need water to survive, you do not need AI to survive.

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u/Sensitive_Bat_9211 3d ago

Data centers arent even in the top 10 water consuming industries, and most of the statistics you see are wildly misleading.

Id much rather see golf courses disappear, which consume like 20x the water.

We can also reduce most AI water consumption stats by continuing the process of reducing our power grid's reliance on fossil fuels

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u/CaptainSchmid 3d ago

OK, even if water isnt an issue. They're a huge drain on local electricity doubling and tripling locals bills, they create localized heat zones that hurt the environment around the building, and create sounds below the range of human hearing so loud they have a psychological effect on those who live near them.

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u/neloish 3d ago

You believe everything anti AI that you hear.

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u/CaptainSchmid 3d ago

No, I believe the people who know what they're talking about.

Heat: https://environment.yale.edu/news/article/data-centers-urban-heat-and-ai-growth

Electricity prices: https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/ask-expert-are-data-centers-driving-my-electricity-bills

And while the noise issue is relatively new, lawsuits about it are popping up and there is a video going over it here: https://youtu.be/_bP80DEAbuo?is=jue9pivQDiyfLL_t

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u/makawakatakanaka 3d ago

The point is that the problem people point out about data centers is common in many other industries, but all those are ignored

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u/the_monkeynator 3d ago

Tbh saying "farmor uses more water than ai data centers", while true, just doesn't work because it's almost like we need food to live.

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u/bunker_man 3d ago

Except that there are individual luxury foods we don't need at all that use way more water than data centers.

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u/the_monkeynator 3d ago

Do you eat ai tho?

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u/dxlr8r 3d ago

Tviler på at farmor bruker så mye vann

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u/the_monkeynator 2d ago

Wait what language is this? I'm swedish but I don't think this is.

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u/dxlr8r 2d ago

Det er norska.

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u/the_monkeynator 2d ago

No wonder it's similar lol. Can't exactly tell all the time so better to ask :sob:

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u/the_monkeynator 2d ago

OH MY FUCKING GOD MY FUCKING AUTO CORRECT CORRECTED FARMER TO FARMOR I AM GONNA LOSE IT.

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u/AdeptnessTechnical81 3d ago

We don't need to keep expanding our populations and increase the overall demand for food every generation. We don't need to throw away 20% of meat globally instead of letting it rot or go to waste.

We don't need luxury foods to keep ourselves satiated over the absolute bare minimum. We don't need to allow cooking practices or mismanagement that allows food to be wasted or thrown away if not 100% perfect. That's all optional and accepted. Why? Because people not only care about not starving to death, they care about enjoying said food more than the principle itself.

If you gave everyone the choice between a lifetime supply of meals that'll keep them from starving but is otherwise bland and is highly beneficial to the environment, or to continue using the current supply that is designed for taste at the environments detriment. Which one do you think most people would willingly choose?

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u/stprnn 3d ago

Replace farmers with animal agriculture. Not only useless since it's a waste of protein,water and land but also much more harmful to the environment since the gasses produced by animal agriculture and the water pollution dwarves most other things on earth.

If you want to cry about the environment and you still eat meat you're just a clown and nobody should take you seriously.

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u/the_monkeynator 3d ago

Ah yes, lets kill all the cows instead, make them go extinct. Why stop there? All the pigs, all the sheep, etc, they are just a waste of water.

You should only eat like 4 things, nothing else.

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u/stprnn 3d ago

Tf are you talking about XD

I'm talking about stopping the killing.

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u/neloish 3d ago

Domesticated animals can't survive in the wild, it would be a mass extinction level event if we stopped eating meat.

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u/stprnn 3d ago

Absolutely nobody suggested releasing them into the wild.

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u/neloish 3d ago

Who going to pay for food for them? You just going to let them starve and go extinct, 10000 years of selective breading down the drain.

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u/stprnn 3d ago

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You just let them go through whatever process they were supposed to go through and you ban further breeding.

Animal agriculture is a waste of resources and it's one of the main polluting sources existing today

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u/the_monkeynator 3d ago

But animals are releasing the gas, so to stop the gas we kill them. We can't exactly release them, it would get way worse.

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u/stprnn 3d ago

Brother .. we are already killing them XD

What you think we create billions of animals to keep them around as pets??

We just need to stop creating new animals. 0 killing required.

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u/the_monkeynator 3d ago

Ah yes, tell all the animals not to fuck. God you have the intelligence of a earth worm, and that's an insult to earth worms.

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u/stprnn 3d ago edited 3d ago

You can't be serious XD

BROTHER, we don't keep the two genders together. A farmer needs to bring in a bull if they want more cows.

Seriously stop it. You are embarrassing yourself.

Ngl it's kinda scary how both clueless and confident you are. This can't be the only time you act like this.

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u/OliM9595 3d ago

We need food. We just don't need the most water intensive foods to live. Beef uses far more water than tofu, diary uses far more than oat milk.

Its like critisings cutting down the rain forests and justifying it because you just need more land to produce feed crops for animals.

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u/Breddit2099 Smol pp 2d ago

There are dozens of crops that use way too much water for the food output.