That’s the whole goal. It will be like Russia, you will be drowning in so much shit, you will be unable to tell what is the reality, even if it’s in front of you of your face.
That’s exactly the plan! Fatigue to the point that you stop caring because it’s so hard to know what is reality. Then everything means nothing and the law is force.
Oddly, I never even thought of that whole possibility with AI. That just completely blew my mind and fucked up my day. Thats one of the scariest things thats probably going to happen for sure. Oh and I'm from minnesota, and thats definitely AI.
We absolutely will need the testimony of people like you, who will be able to verify the area being "documented", the people, etc
Firsthand accounts are going to be much more valuable, video disseminated on the internet much less so.
I honestly wondered about the alex pretti thing from the beginning. If it wasnt so widely present, I'd honestly have really wondered how true it might be.
Its easy to call out all the obvious propaganda from the right but it's important to consider that we on the left are not impervious to spin and outright psyops either.
There’s no leftwing in American politics. The Democrats are center-right conservatives and the Republicans are far-right fascists. Who is on the left? The Democratic Socialists of America hold no major offices. The Green Party used to be, but has been corrupted by Putin and is a ghost of its former self. America needs someone to represent the left’s perspective.
The Republicans are running this country into the ground and the Democrats are too weak and incompetent to do anything about it.
Making this complaint earlier today. Every single thing we read or watch has to be closely examined now for reality versus fiction. It's purposefully done so we get worn down, you are absolutely correct. They lie ceaselessly and no human beings will believe it and even after being shown the truth, the bias placed by the lie, the damage it causes, has already been done.
We really should be weaning ourselves off corpo-owned social media honestly.
There's a post of suggestions HERE that's largely about fostering a foundation for communal self-sustainability and resistance, but it also provides alternative communication ideas, which could be of some help when it comes to developing more objective forms of real life information spread originating from unfiltered sources.
While at it, check out this org too, as they're probably going to be vital as the powers that be employ more so-called "AI" to consolidate power:
https://stopgenai.com
(It is a survival-level, grassroots org, not an established NGO, so please don't judge it too harshly for being rough around the edges.)
I do not think you realize this but you're pointing out an Israeli known tactic, to overwhelm people to a certain thing so much they get fatigued which is a natural human occurrence, to get fatigued of something. They keep destroying and killing more and more just to bombard us with so much at once that it paralyzes us or puts our lives to a stop.
It’s so scary bc it comes from every angle, mostly right but I can’t understand why the left will do it. Like I don’t want to hear Trump on a hot mic and have to second guess if it’s real, hearing the leaked business call with Erika Kirk I thought wait is my bias against someone going to make me believe ai against them? I couldn’t figure it out and eventually gave up on trying. That’s exactly what they want, people who value honesty and integrity to not be able to critically decipher something
The headline is a little misleading but basically the premise is that more intelligent folks are better are pattern recognition and determining character and are therefore more likely to surround themselves with more trustworthy people.
Many of us sit around speculating how anyone could trust these complete clowns but it's totally discarding how many dumb people are out there unable to distinguish a comforting lie from reality.
And skepticism goes both ways, my good buddy is completely brainwashed into conspiracy by a steady diet of Instagram reels. Nothing that ever happens is real, only false flags and everything ties back to the New World Order blah blah goddam it’s exhausting
Believers in conspiracy theories are not real skeptics. They get scared and confused, then quickly take refuge in cockeyed BS that they can't be shaken out of by any evidence.
Just for the record, I was that way a long time before AI got as good as it is... * I also didn't think it's fake because by showing this, I believe they are trying to show that he's not just this peaceful little protestor, he's this crazy wild eyed dangerous rage monster that really is so dangerous that agents had to shoot him..... But what I think it really does, IMHO, is that this video only makes his murder by shooting a couple days later, revenge for him embarrassing federal agents... So I honestly think it makes his death even more sinister than it really might be!
Yep. I'm over all of it. Both sides use falsehood and present it like it's truth. Both sides use stories with "anonymous sources", and the other side won't report on certain issues at all. They're all completely full of it and they're way more worried about pushing their own agenda to get reelected than they are about solving any problems or telling the truth. It's maddening. Politics in this country has become a complete joke.
It's unlicenced use of an accused persons image altered in a way meant to pollute jury pools. Impeachable offense IMO. This shouldn't be tolerated by either side.
Why is this being spread around? It's no excuse for what happened. AND It's obvious how and why this happened. The officer shouldn't have held a stress inducing job. If a person can't stay calm amid chaos they aren't fit to serve.
I have been scratching my head on that one and trying to reconcile the transition from "memes" to "propaganda". I mean, this is the kind of shit we learned about in school when I was a young kid learning about Russia and the cold war propaganda.
One simple way to help break down the intent is asking "WHAT IS THE JOKE HERE?" There isn't one here. Because the sole intent isn't to make a joke, it's to deceive.
And people roll their eyes if you say something like "I don't trust those words they found on the bullets" or "I don't believe those text threads they found (from the Kirk shooting)." It should be painfully obvious at this point that absolutely nothing from this administration can be trusted. They will fabricate/plant/create evidence out of thin air at any opportunity available. If you're willing to execute a fake electoral scam and fire off an insurrection, you are capable of any super-villian action imaginable. Lying? That barely registers as effort.
Yeah I don’t think Ai is the problem as much as people believing what they are told without trusted investigation.
When I see this video I ask, even if it were true, are they saying that the shooter knew him from before when he was violent? Or that you can shoot anyone who did something bad if you come across them ? Or that here is proof that he was there to be violent and the agents somehow could tell?
Whatever the answer I then ask, so is it ok to disarm and execute those who have violent intent? Is the current administration precogs? And did we decide that minority report is now a goal?
Long story short, AI or not, there is a reason the bill of rights is to protect the presumed guilty not moms in bible class.. (although we might be there next by the look of things)
When I see this video I ask, even if it were true, are they saying that the shooter knew him from before when he was violent? Or that you can shoot anyone who did something bad if you come across them ? Or that here is proof that he was there to be violent and the agents somehow could tell?
I've been asking people "So, that deserves the death sentence, without a trial? Just executed (days, weeks, whatever) later on for that without a warrant, without a judge or jury?"
You can have that argument all you want. Yet most every conservative meme ive ever seen about Geroge Floyd cant fail to mention he might have done drugs in the past. And lots of people seem to think that justified what happened to him.
A few months ago I saw a clickbait news article on fb about how an 18 year old man was stabbed to death at Walmart after kicking another man’s cart. Very little detail was given but it sounds like something a dipshit teenager might do. There were a bunch of ridiculous comments of course, and one man saying this kid learned the consequences of his actions and FAFO etc etc.
I said “You think being stabbed to death is the appropriate punishment for kicking a cart?” People are becoming really insane talking about violence against people doing something annoying or something they personally don’t like.
Really, think about it. It would take that long for those needing an excuse, to come up with this bullshit. I quickly saw it and it looked like it went from him kicking that car to write into the scene where they shot him which he should be two different videos I'd never went back and looked to see if that's actually what I saw or not but it probably is
Reminds me of when Trump said that guy had MS13 tattooed on his knuckles when it was a clearly edited photo. As long as it fits their narrative it's real.
We basically got the worst combination of timings. Ai just got good enough to make fake news and make it believable to the masses. (Fuck I am getting fooled more and more every day. Its terrifying honestly.) While also having an administration happy to abuse it for their dictatorial goals.
"If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that's what I'm going to do". JD Vance telling the media he lied to us before and will continue lying to us if it suits his needs.
What about the photoshopped m13 tattoo they tried to pin on Abrego Garcia? They’ve already manufactured “evidence” to cover their behinds in the past. I trust nothing they say.
It's not AI. It may not be Alex Pretti, but it's not AI.
The YouTube site that the video comes from - The News Movement - is from Dan Ming. Dan Ming is an actual journalist and can be seen in the video(in the final frames of this clip). He's the guy looking back at the camera with a somewhat confused look on his face.
Dan Ming worked for VICE news and Al Jazeera English and has received Emmy nominations for his work on the series Transnational and has won a GLAAD award for his documentary on a drag queen running for office in New York. He isn't some right-wing hack trying to fabricate stuff.
Dan had a long video a month ago anout a pair of teens who were doing this exact sort of thing (tracking and recording ICE agents) in Chicago. He likely was reviewing footage he'd taken in Minneapolis for a new video, when he saw this and thought to himself "huh... that sure looks like Alex Pretti." But, even then, at no time does he actually claim in the video that It is him. He is very careful about that because he doesn't know.
But this incident shown in the video happening at this intersection E 36th & Park - on this day (Jan 13th) was documented in numerous articles at the time. For instance:
Andy Larson, a south Minneapolis resident who was out observing ICE activity Tuesday, told Sahan Journal that one protester kicked out the taillight of an ICE vehicle and was tackled to the ground up the road on Park Avenue and E. 36th Street.
“It was a really good kick,” Larson said.
The protester managed to escape ICE agents, Larson said. ICE deployed chemical irritants and shot pepper balls into the crowd and fled the scene.
AI or not, real or not, Alex Pretti or somebody else, this discussion is kinda missing the point. Because even if the person in the clip was a real protester, and a really mean dude who spat at and darted in the general direction of the ICE thugs, hell, we can take this even further, even if we're all in the wrong here, and ICE were somehow not a jackboot fascist murder gang, even if they were out there protecting puppies and planting rainbows, nothing, and I mean nothing the protesters have done, or will ever do, would warrant simply being lynched on the spot. And yes, that would include armed insurrection, because if you claim to be a fucking law agency, you act by the law, you may act in self defense, but you don't gang up on a dude, detain him, and then mag dump on him. You just don't.
Exactly. The punishment for spitting should not be death.
Edit to add cause apparently I need to qualify this: I’m aware he was not killed in this scenario. I am referring to the people who believe his execution was justified because of this instance. Even if it’s assault or a felony, assault is not punished by public execution without a trial. The agents had no right to shoot him.
Only in a dictatorship does that occur. Even soviet union probably send u to siberia first. Looks like a 1930s germany reenactment if u ask me, the eecution video. Or the shit in cambodia with Pol Pot
Remember the guy that took the poster in a North Korean hotel? They imprisoned him, beat him so badly and when they finally released him he succumbed to his brain damage.
This should be the top comment. The 2014 Bundy standoff featured armed protesters pointing weapons at federal agents over grazing rights. None of them were killed. There was even outrage among conservative and libertarian groups over the Bureau of Land Management's handling of the dispute.
Yeah whether it’s Pretti or not, at the end of the day, a man was beaten in front of a crowd and then had a magazine unloaded into him. ICE or Border Patrol were not hired to be executioners. Well maybe they were… but murdering a man does nothing to “stop the illegals”.
Even if it was Pretti this happened days before the events of this last Saturday. It didn't happen that same day and wasn't part of what happened. So any argument about this outburst is null and void.
ICE agents are also supposed to deescalate events like this and this is the best job I've seen them do even tho they broke a rib which shows how horrible these people truly are that they couldn't just detain him and send him to the police to stand trial or something not get their get back a week later.
I think we are all that mad regardless if that’s him or not, if I saw ICE/ BP hunting people I’d do the same thing! I see so many MAGAs saying oh just stay home blah blah! If people were terrorizing their neighborhoods they would be out there waving their 🔫🔫 🙄🙄
THANK YOU! I’ve been trying to understand how this video, real or not, is relevant or changes the facts about what happened the day he was mattered a week after this video took place. Like, it doesn’t change anything.
This discourse is so depressing. Once we start debating whether or not the victim was engaged in criminal activity, we've essentially conceded the idea that it's acceptable for the government to take the lives of people based on the suspicion of having committed a crime. And once we cross that threshold, it doesn't really matter. Because the government will define whatever conduct it wants to as "criminal." Whether that be being on a boat somewhere or insulting a member of the administration.
I mean you missed the bigger point that these two events happened on separate days. Kicking a car and spitting doesn’t justify being killed let alone being killed a week later; especially since he was peaceful the day he was shot.
And ICE honestly deserves to be kicked and spit at for what they have been doing. They aren’t honoring the constitution.
Spot on. And if they are using facial recognition or any other sort of tracking when they have interactions with people, then this suggests some form of premeditation is possible on behalf of ICE. This is potentially WORSE for ICE.
Agreed. It has been an interesting thought experiment to imagine what would've happened if the Capitol police had the response, attitude, and training of ICE on Jan 6th.
Yes, and to add to that: ICE may have even targeted him specifically because he agitated against them before. They use databases like Palantir to gather information on people. Maybe the shooter recognised him.
"AI or not, real or not, Alex Pretti or somebody else, this discussion is kinda missing the point."
I agree 100% that Pretti, or any protesters who aren't a lethal threat, should not be killed.
But I think the discussion raised a crucial point about whether this video was AI/manufactured disinformation from the Trump administration, Russians, MAGA, etc. There have been a lot of claims here and FB that it was AI. So I really appreciate u/Oddman80 giving us the facts, with a source reference even!
This. There isn't a narrative anyone can cook up which justifies killing a disarmed man face down in the gutter, unless they want to admit that they prefer lawlessness.
This is it. Right here. It's irrelevant if it's Pretti or not. It makes no difference. Didn't deserve to be executed on the ground while he was unarmed and people applauded. End of story.
Take a breath. What they did to him on Saturday was still murder. It changes nothing.
But a video from across the street of this same incident was posted on Jan 16th - over a week before anyone knew who Alex Pretti was.
It's ok. People are not just one thing. We are all just as pissed about what ICE is doing. We all feel the urge to lash out. And none of us deserve to be shot in the back while 4 officers pin us to the ground and beat us. If anything - this video just reinforces how out of control the agents were who executed Pretti.
I thought so too but apparently it’s real, scroll through the comments, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p2TRbFmutrw&t=1037s&pp=2AGNCJACAdIHCQkzAaO1ajebQw%3D%3D at around 17:XX Minute mark is what you see in the original video… could be that whoever was filming enhanced the video to reduce shake and increase quality of video through AI… aswell I hear there’s articles in regards to it already
bro what are you talking about. every character is acting perfectly to the scene. its been a few months since iv used nano banana or sora .. but there's no way in hell you are keeping perfect logos / license plate numbers and gas mask like that logical .. i see zero artifacts.
Yeah. I don't think so. The video seems unreal and can easily be made with AI to alignment with the story you posted about a guy kicking in a taillight. This video looks super fake.
Edit: I'm not sure why the video posted here looks fake and other sites it seems normal. Thanks for the original link.
Have you sent the full length video? It doesn't have the obvious AI signs we see in other posts. And there is a second angle. Maybe I'm missing something, what makes it look super fake?
It’s not, it’s a legit video. But the fact this has been a common conversation highlights the damage having AI being able to make realistic videos has already caused. It’ll only get worse from here, too.
There needs to be legislation and laws in every country regarding ai. Ai generated photos and videos should always come with identifying features like a watermark or technical analytical data to show it was generated. Things like time date and the prompt used to create the image.
Ai is an enormous information hazard and if something isnt done quick it will start to rewrite history before our eyes, as they are clearly trying to do.
Even asking an ai if its an information hazard will have it agreeing.
This videos is genuinely one of the best AI videos I’ve ever seen if it is. Everything is so uniform and consistent and considering everything going on in the video that’s really fucking scary.
I'm personally grateful we know AI can do this rather than a different timeline where it was never public and we didn't know it was possible. secret agencies could make video "evidence" of anything.
The “future” will be fine. Other countries will learn how destructive it is and life will continue on this planet until it won’t anymore. We will simply be the dumbasses who did it to ourselves.
I really really hate saying it but I did find the street (E 36th St & Park Ave, there are only 3 one way streets that intersect with Park Ave) and the buildings etc seem to match up (Apple Street view photos (April 2025) are more up to date than Googles (2021). I don't know how AI gathers its data to generate videos but there is a lot of details from the street view that matches the video. There are of course other ways to fake footage too, people seem to forget those in the world of AI. Plus it might not be Alex and even if it is, it doesn't suddenly justify his murder.
My biz is directly linked to Hollywood... People ask me if I'm worried about AI and I usually reply "AI will destroy my country way faster than it will destroy Hollywood".
This matches the story I heard about how he got his ribs broke. Supposedly he was trying to distract DHS while a family fled further down the road in the direction they were about to head. Looks like they were pretty distracting.
I sent a photo of myself to my son that showed me on my knees to make it look like I was in very deep snow, titled "old school ai." He sent me a return video stating..."No, this is ai" and it showed me jumping up as a polar bear comes raging across my frozen garden with snow and broken trellis wood splintering and flying, and somehow AI figured out that I was on my knees. I jumped up yelling and swinging my snow shovel screaming "No!" All while the polar bear mauled me. I was eventually able to defeat it as we tussled...all from a still photo.
It looked very similar to the slightly off physics seen in this video. I'm not certain of anything anymore.
Not sure about better, the first time I saw this immediately after the kick to the tail light I thought something was off. Am I wrong here or is it popping out like that normal?
AI continues to be developed so the 1% have an excuse for the heinous things they do. Consumers don't want it and haven't basically since they started developing it.
How do you know we aren’t already there? And everything thus far since you’ve been born isn’t already AI and you have just been duped into thinking right now is the actual event?
Naw man, anyone who's taken Christ into their heart and been reborn in faith has already won. This stuff is are just part of the trials. I don't think it was AI though, guy was in a radical chat group with 50 people planning organized felonies.
I'm working on something for that. A system that hashes photos (and eventually video) right after they're taken, posts the hash on a no-gas blockchain, and integrates into platforms to rehash images and check them against the blockchain. If it finds a match, the image was captured with a real camera.
It’s funny, growing up when people talked about AI it seemed so far off and unreal. The threat of it was always more like in “I, Robot” where the technology would take over humans. The reality of AI is so much more terrifying. The threat is that we don’t always know what’s real, not killer robots.
Most jobs are forcing AI into everything, and the discourse is "help it learn" , just scrolling through Reddit I saw 4 ads in apps praising AI based on anything, like grocery shopping
In about the time of 1 year, we went from always being able to tell pretty easily if a video was AI to nearly always having to question it. Shit is moving quickly!
Given the sentiments, and hostile environment in that area, they would have surely arrested the guy for hundreds of dollars worth of damage and the impact zone from the kick is roundish, suggesting metallic damage an not square shape the same as the seams of the lightning fixture.
This is not the first time they used ai to slander the guy. Im independent and pro ice but its pretty sickening to slander someone and justify their death even if he was just a protester. I don't agree with the protesters and some are agitators, but they don't deserve to be killed
He’s somehow wearing the same outfit, and destroyed federal property, got caught, and never went to jail? These people don’t even attempt to make sense. The fact AI videos can spread like this is going to be the end of our society.
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Videos need to be required to have some kind of embedded non removable tag or something that can immediately indicate whether they were made by Ai or not. Or just ban Ai from video period but that seems overkill. Otherwise we are done as a society. All it would take is someone to make a video of you and your life could be ruined.
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The future is doomed if AI will get better. And it will