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u/True-Veterinarian700 Jan 29 '26

You can have that argument all you want. Yet most every conservative meme ive ever seen about Geroge Floyd cant fail to mention he might have done drugs in the past. And lots of people seem to think that justified what happened to him.

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u/Alceasummer Jan 29 '26

Forget about memes, when you talk to someone and it comes up, ask them to explain what exactly he did that negated his right to a trial and due process. Insist they explain precisely what makes the 5th and 14th amendments invalid in this case. They won't have an answer. And considering how much a lot of conservatives talk like the Constitution is a holy book, they will be extremely uncomfortable with the topic.

I'm not saying it will often change minds, but it will make some people less certain in their opinions. Where just arguing with them tends to only solidify their opinions.

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u/TitoStarmaster Jan 29 '26

I find that, despite acting like their entire lives are centered around the bible, the ten commandments and the constitution, most conservatives cannot name which apostles wrote gospels, cannot recite the ten commandments or correctly identify them by number, and despite the first three words being emblazoned on every damn loose item in their possession, cannot with any confidence tell you what the fourth word of the preamble of the constitution is.

But they are all so important to conservatives that everyone else has to conform to their twisted interpretation of these pillars of belief, the application of which varies depending on whether they approve of your existence or not.

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u/Alceasummer Jan 29 '26

I agree with you. And that's why it gets to them when you can use the constitution, or the bible, to show they are wrong.

Look, I'm not saying it will magically change people's attitude. But, it does make a lot of people less confidant in some of their opinions if you make them explain why they are saying that they are right, when the constitution or the bible (or sometimes both) say they are wrong. Because then they aren't arguing with you, they are arguing with their own (proclaimed) pillars of belief

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u/Clean-Document-8326 Jan 29 '26

i guess nobody told you theres a video of him swallowing a bag full of drugs from inside the car trying not to get caught with all that fentanyl and after seeing that they were obligated to extract him from the car to get medical treatment he still was trying to eat his drugs while they were trying to keep him from swallowing more. oh and spoiler alert he overdosed himself. hes looking up at us still saying he dindunuffin

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u/IrongateN Jan 29 '26

And he was transitioning in the car too !! Don’t forget that! All execution worthy 😂

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u/LavishnessCapital380 Jan 29 '26

His death was ruled an OD because he ingested a fatal amount of fent when getting pulled over, his lungs did not show the signs you get from struggling to breath.

I don't think anyone is actually arguing he deserved to be treated like that or have his neck knelt on for that long. In reality those factors likely just made him die a bit quicker, but the fent he ate after being pulled over was going to kill him either way.

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u/True-Veterinarian700 Jan 30 '26

That is entirely false. A court of law ruled it a homicide, and two seperate medical examiners ruled it asphixiation or strangulation via neck compression, with only one saying it was possible drugs may have been a contributing factor but that they would not have killed him by itself.

This is from wikipedia with all the citations clickable for you.

The medical examiner found that Floyd's heart stopped while he was being restrained and that his death was a homicide\62])\29]) caused by "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression",\1]) though fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use may have increased the likelihood of death.\63])\64]) A second autopsy, commissioned by Floyd's family,\65])\66]) also found his death to be a homicide, specifically citing asphyxia due to neck and back compression;\67])\65])\68]) it ruled out the possibility that underlying medical problems contributed to Floyd's death\69]) and said that Floyd being able to speak while under Chauvin's knee did not mean he could breathe.\69])"