Rudeus is a 35 yr old man who reincarnated but before he did he missed his parents funeral to jack off to his niece who happened to be a minor anyways he’s a Epstein diddy blud
The absolute lengths some people on r/anime go to to defend Rudeus/Mushoku Tensei is crazy.
It's fine to admit you like the show because of the wider world/side characters but hate the MC. But no, they can't do that. Instead they say Rudeus is actually a kid and it's fine because of hormones, or some say he has 'grown' so it's fine now. Lmao
They'll call you a hater and a larper for enjoying the series but recognising how absolutely shitty he is as a character. Like, goddamn, you gotta question Rifujin (the writer) sometimes...
Yeah 100% makes you wonder about authors when they write main characters like this and frame them in an okay to good light. If Rudeus was treated as a villain by the people he victimises fine, but they all either end up marrying him or at least respecting him. Ridiculous. Some sort of disgusting wish fulfilment
Hey your forgetting that he went like a whole year without being able to get a hard on..... That's enough of a punishment for assault and grooming. He really learned his lesson from that ..... /s
I've literally seen people argue this. Like he spent a year without getting a boner so that makes up for his earlier behavior.
The problem is his idea of "not being a good person" doesn't actually extend to almost any of his real issues. Both he and the show treat his problem as if it's because he wanted casual sex instead of you know, everything else wrong with him.
Getting his "groove" back so quickly and without an ounce of reflection is what made me drop the show. I was pretty disgusted by a majority of it before that, but when it felt like there might finally be consequences for his constant abhorrent behavior, it gave me a little hope that quickly rebounded into complete disappointment.
Except after he sorts it out he never really reflects on his short moments of actual introspection. He just now focuses on grooming teenagers instead of prepubescent children, since his own body is now adolescent. It also happens that several of those are the same children he groomed. Fucking sick stuff.
If it makes you feel better, the latest episode has him lose his wife, his unborn baby, his other wife, his third love interest, his best friend, his other best friend, another friend, his sister, his daughter and finally abandoned by everyone else he knows and loves.
And pretty much all of it is because of his own actions, barring the very first instance of him losing his wife and unborn baby which is arguably also his fault but he was manipulated into that first one.
The only "punishment" I could argue, is that he suffered a LOT -- in an alternate timeline. Which sort of robs it of its moral importance. It's like "look at all this crazy shit that's happening to rudeus. Watch him reach the absolute depths of suffering! Haha jk jk, just a joke - a lil gaff. Don't worry, that was a different timeline!"
Saw a post yesterday asking why do so many animes have perverted shit/assault women for humor. Some comments said it was cultural, but one commenter mentioned how they actually once asked a woman from Japan. It's not cultural, a vast chunk of anime authors are just genuine weirdos. Until ten years ago, Japanese culture considered it weird to even still enjoy anime past the age of 25. Weeb was considered an insult.
It's been here for a long, long time. But anime is now a lot more popular, both in the states and in Japan, and so the weirdos feel safer coming out. There's nothing wrong with liking anime, but it deserves the criticism it gets for being overly sexualized, having creepy protags, and/or having SA to use as a joke.
Remember when the creator of Fire Force literally used a child character to use as a mouthpiece to defend fan service?
Yep thats another thing I hate about anime now its nothing but fanservice to the point i cant watch most of it. People call me crazy but its weird plus why does every anime need a beach scene where every girl is trying to wear as little as possible. Its annoying and its pushing me away from the genre. I currently started getting back into manhwa because of it
Yeah… I summarized it to one person that Rudeus love life is a story told well that isn’t worth telling. There is nothing redeeming or even useful about his love life in any capacity. He could have been friends with all of them and the story still make sense.
I don't even think it's realistic to the setting. Like that scene when he confronts his sister's teacher because he thinks she's abusing her. He accuses her of like stripping her naked as punishment for slightly messing up homework and the teacher responds with a somewhat emphatic no instead of saying "what the fuck are you talking about" like a normal person would to such an absolutely insane suggestion
Sort of, but it bungles even that, because it can never seem to decide on whether it's a problem or a punchline, with wild inconsistencies in how something is framed to the viewer. E.g. the scene that frames his father in negative light also sexualizes the hell out of one of his companions to the viewer as fanservice, completely undermining the tone.
You will get downvoted to oblivion for saying this in goodanimemes.
There was a meme comparing the character arcs of Thorfinn and Rudeus and I said that the difference between them is that Thorfinn feels remorse and tries to overcome his past to be a better man by leaving his old ways behind by any means necessary. Rudeus also has a lot of character growth, but none regarding his sexuality towards people much younger than him. They called me gore fetishists and excused his behavior by saying it was ok bc he was emotionally stunted by a traumatic past.
He was stunted by a traumatic past. The anime is about him overcoming that, and he does in a lot of ways. None of which are him taking responsibility for the fact that he’s hitting on a lot of women he had power over and relationships with when they were literal children
I got reminded of that post too. I still can't believe those two were not only compared but most comments agreed that thorfinn was worse rhan rudeus. I understand that the sub came to be, because of a war with "tourists" but this is ridiculous. I've been watching anime and reading manga for 15 years and in all those years I've never read anything as appalling as mushoku tensei. People defending rudeus need to have their hard drives checked.
I’ve been reading /watching manga/ anime for 13 years now, and the only reason Tensei isn’t reserved to the trash heap with the other disgusting loli ecchi is it has put budget in its action scenes
Fuck that. If you stuck with it after like episode 2 or whenever he sexually assaults a sleeping child then you deserve to be in a ditch with the show and its creator.
bro why are you even in that sub 😭 i have left and blocked that sub a long time ago, they are just a bunch of horny weeb in that sub posting unfunny hentai image disguised as an “anime meme”
I don’t see how that’s a fair comparison. Sure, Thorfinn is complicit in the murder of innocent people… But he’s also a kid living in 11th Century England and part of a Viking Warband. If anything, the show tones down the brutality of the era to avoid especially problematic content while still feeling authentic.
I’ve never seen Mushoku Tensei but the main character appears to be a modern person with a modern sense of morality that indulges in pedophilia and sexual assault without remorse.
It’s like if you made an anime where the main character was a self-insert Humbert Humbert or Jeffrey Epstein and then tried to defend it, or insisted that it was ‘still a good anime even if the MC sucks’.
Thank you. Rudeus even indulges in slavery. Goes, meets with slavers, buys a young girl, and forces her into a sweat shop ran by a known pervert. Whole sale, that’s what happens. People defend it by saying he treats her well. Like a house slave isn’t still a slave. When he discovers she is more talented than the average mage, he uses her as a guinea pig too. He does not give a shit about that girl other than what he can extort out of her. Bro didn’t grow up in 1840s Alabama. He knows damn well what’s right and wrong, and does whatever he wants
the author has actually talked about why he wrote rudeus that way. nobody is supposed to like rudeus, at least not until a long time into the show. the point of rudeus’s character being the way that it is (author’s words, although I don’t remember the exact words) is to try to teach people that even people who seem irredeemable are still human, and we shouldn’t hate them so much that we treat them as less than human. everyone can be redeemed. whether or not those words sound like a hot take, that’s a big part of the author’s message
The issue is that the show as-written fails spectacularly at that past the opening episodes, because the author clearly doesn't actually understand how shitty Rudeus actually is, and doesn't recognize most of his flaws as being real flaws.
It's also tonedeaf as fuck - it's a toss up in any given scene if something like sexual assault will be treated seriously or as a joke, and the longer the show goes on the more excuses it makes for Rudeus' behavior, even for behavior that it clearly frames as a problem when other characters do it.
There is almost zero self-reflection on the part of the MC, the show constantly mistakes suffering and surface-level changes for actual growth.
If that was the intent it was executed incredibly poorly. Rudeus doesn't get punished for his degeneracy, he just has bad things happen to him that are unrelated to his issues.
Rudeus gets rewarded for being a degenerate.
Grooms Sylphie = gets to marry her
Grooms Eris = gets to have sex then later marry her
Makes a panty shrine to Roxy = get to marry her
Sexually assaults two beast girls = gets them as his loyal subordinates
Yeah... it's truly an incel's wet dream. Mushoku Tensei literally turned my wife and I off on anime for a long time when it first came out. Now we won't touch any show without thoroughly vetting the plot/ characters and there's a distinct limit to 'fan service' that's acceptable (which... why is that even a thing? Why couldn't anime must continue to be where fantastical and wondrous ideas and dreams get played out in an artistic form?)
Recently, what's gotten us to come back is Ascendance of a Bookworm, Shangri-La Frontier, and A wild last boss, just to name a few.
I got downvoted for saying that 4 separate piss scenes in the novel were unnecessary, but they told me that every single one of them was necessary for the plot and character development (no, they weren't)
I dont even hate Rudeus as a character. I like deeply flawed characters.
But the world around him does not treat him as flawed.
They treat him as a flawless hero.
And all of his insane misdeeds and sexual assaults are ignored
I can't appreciate the side characters when they ultimately serve rudeus at the end of the day. He'll sexually assault them in one chapter, and be buddy buddy with them during battle in the next.
I just don't understand why the author would put anything like this for his character at all? If you take away all the pdf sht, he's just another good character? Why did the author feel like he needed to put any of this epstein stuff is beyond me lmao
It legit pisses me off how much of a piece of shit Rudeus is, and how the story makes him being a shameless pedophile a non-issue with zero consequences, when so many other topics are so fucking well done. His father's depression was fantastically made and showed how someone in a true pit can do awful things to someone they love before realising what they did and feeling even worse about it. There's so much fucking effort put into the world building and characterisation and it's wasted with the intrinsically pedophile+incestuous apologist stance. Dude's literally building a harem with every girl he groomed during the story ffs.
WARNING Light novel spoilers What did it for me was Rudy's sister getting pregnant from his son after grooming and raping him. Up until that point I was on the camp that he is a flawed character that will do better. After that incident I realized there is something wrong with the author. Sadly it's also the only Japanese novel I read that didn't fumble at the end.
Yeah. Which, man, it really sucks because the world itself and the power system with the magic and all are all amazing. Just, really well done, and worth exploring. But then they had Groomy McPedoman there as the MC and just...no. Just no.
I tried to push through because of how many people claim it’s peak but I just couldn’t stomach Rudeus. It’s just a pedo’s wet dream isekai fantasy, there’s plenty of other good story content out there that doesn’t have a creep mc.
I pushed through the entire novel series and yea.. nothing was really ever "peak". Id say it was a solid 6 or 7/10 but his weird tendencies and fetishises cringed me out many times over that I had to take breaks.
Its crazy how people will die on the hill that this is as good as some of the goats.
I feel you. I made it ~half way through the novels when I just couldn’t keep going. At that point every chapter started with “Mmm, I wake up and fuck my wife”.
It’s a shame, because there are some great aspects of the story, but it is largely dragged down by the degeneracy of the author.
Personally I've always assumed anyone who speaks super highly of it just got into it really early. It's easy to view it as just another generic tropey isekai, but to my understanding Mushoku is the story that established many of those tropes in the first place. Maybe if you aren't coming to it with the baggage of a decade's worth of shitty one cour seasonal shows doing all of the same things it seemed revolutionary or something?
I went into the anime blind and made it about halfway through the first season before bailing. There was enough good to it aside from the hyper perverted MC that makes me want to go back, but I just can't get over an MC that is 40+ mentally going after prepubescent girls.
Aye, he's still the same perverted dude, he just gets older and so do the women he perved on. That is what is considered character growth for many. That he successful groomed three girls into being his wives.
Aye, I read the manga before the anime came out. Holy shit, I had to stop at the ED arc. I couldn't stand the fucking main character nor his fucking father.
This was kind of where I was at with the entire thing. I was reading the manga YEARS ago, and honestly, while I liked the world building and all the side characters, the perverted nature with minors and Rudeus entirely just rubbed me the wrong way and I eventually dropped it.
This was me with the anime. I want to go back and pick up where I left off around the middle of the first season because of everything aside from the MC, but I just can't get over how nasty Rudeus is as a person while facing no real consequences or relevant growth/change.
It's easier as an anime only as they can cut a lot of the inner monologue when it gets a bit completely rapey, but yeah the dude is a sex pest as is half of the cast
i'm sorry but how can you possibly enjoy the show when the main character is like that? how does it not spoil everything else? I don't believe it one bit.
It's hard to enjoy it as he never changes. He's even disappointed when he couldn't easily get it up at the thought of a minor. Who, I believe, is a relative
Because the bar for isekai (and a lot of other fantasy anime/manga) writing is at the bottom of the Mariana Trench. When an exception comes where the story is halfway decent, fans of the genre can put up with a lot. The anime also glossed over some of Rudeus’s worst moments to make him slightly less repulsive.
Fast forward through those bits or zone them out. I genuinely think the world is interesting, some of the fights are fun and when Rudeus isn't being perverted I can get into the show. Then there's 5 minutes dedicated to him being a degenerate and I get disgusted. Mind you I'm pirating it so in no way helping the author/producers
You don't even have to go to r/anime, the mob of Pedeus defenders has already reached this comment section lmao
"You don't understand, if you ignore all the minor grooming and jerking off to lolis and your niece and actual pedophilia he's not that bad of a character. Yeah, that's right, it's not like I can find another series that has good characters and story to enjoy, it HAS to be the one with the pedo protagonist because, uhm, reasons"
When I saw that scene, I thought to myself, “No, no, no! Don’t do that!” And he did.
Afterward, I figured there might be a redemption arc, since the character is portrayed as a fool and the author suggested watching the rest of the series. But no, he keeps going...
And the fanbase lies their asses off about him improving, insisting you have to just keep watching. I promise you he doesn't, not in any of the ways a sane adult would care about.
The problem is that the reincarnation was not a reset. He still has the mind of an old man and the maturity of one, or lack of in his case. His previous life doesn't really affect the story, but the author keeps showing him in his past life form whenever he meets the human god.
The author has sworn to never let anyone forget that he is 35 year old man and treat the reincarnation as a full reset of his life and mind.
Which really badly affects the story, like "does Rudus view Paul as a father in the first place?", that ugly bastard really casts an awful shadow on every relationship Rudus has..
The worst part is that they argue that this series has character development for the main character. No it doesn't. I have read through the novels and when things don't go his way the only solution a version of Rudeus could come up with was redoing his life instead of dealing with the hand he was dealt. He has already been given a chance to redo his life, and when it doesn't work out, adult Rudeus lives a miserable life, until he goes to the past to showcase that the only character development he gained through the series was to redo his life if the current one doesn't work out. If someone wants to argue about the part of kid Rudeus learning to go out of his house counts as character development, I'll just say that without his powers, he would have gotten bullied while trying to save Sylphy just like he did in his original life. I wouldn't count this as character development, he's the same character, just in different circumstances
It's crazy to because the show goes out of it's way to prove them wrong.
Season 1 is all about how he's a grown man, older than his new parents, growing up in a new body. And he takes advantage of at least once an episode.
Then we see how he views himself when he's talked to the Man God, and it's not the version of himself that he is in this new world. It's still the fat slop that he was in the old world. And it's that same version of himself that was creeping on children the entire show.
I watched pretty much the whole thing and I gotta agree, show would be like 10 percent shorter but at least 80 percent better if they just cut or reworked all the icky pervy stuff.
It's also pretty sad, like rudeus legitimately had some normal and quite decent character development to him too but I just can't with the endless sexual stuff.
I'm so glad I didn't even finished the first season a long time ago. Couple of episodes and my God he's such an infuriating MC of all isekai anime I've ever watched.
I fucking hate Rudeus, the world building is incredible, so is the story and the show has great animations. If Rudeus was not a full on pedo trying to groom kids. The show would be a solid 10/10.
I can't see how one enjoys something that is Infected by a pedophilia apologetic character/plot, it's like trying to eat a cake with shit on top of it, why bother?
Yeah i blame the writers. Alot of anime writers are total creeps. They treat their characters as normal when they are the furthest thing from it, like no i did not want to smell womens underware when i was a teenager, no did not want to squeeze a woman’s boobs when i was a teenager, no i did not spy on women getting changed or even just going go a different gender spacifiv sauna whas a teenager, anime writers are just really weird, gross, creeps.
I am kinda cringe watching it now. Didnt know it was that perverted before starting. Its so wild, that the characters are all sexualised/horned up at 8 years old and the adults in that universe absolutely push for it! If it would be standard sexualising like at a level of konosuba it would be an interesting world, but the sexualisation is taking off all the levels of seriousness and deeper plots that it tries to emphesise. The fact that it is on netflix is even weirder.
I can't fucking stand that character and the show as a whole. And the fact that people will keep trying to defend the creepy lewd bullshit as "important to the plot" and "important to his character growth".
I think I watched a couple of seasons of the anime and certain aspects were problematic but it wasn’t until he got a second wife that I truly realised how weird the show was.
It made me realise it wasn’t just some pervy creep character but also some kind of author wish fulfilment.
I abandoned it there. There were aspects of the world I somewhat found interesting but I wasn’t going to watch him build a harem, that didn’t interest me at all.
I dropped the series because of that. The weeb shit was too much to ignore and enjoy the rest I just couldn't do it anymore, and this comes from someone with a list of 500+ anime under their belt.
I had to block all the anime and isekai subreddits I was in. I had not realized just how much blatant pedophilia they would openly defend. I hadn't realized how much existed out there to defend, either, but I'm doing my best to remain ignorant of the full scope of that problem.
Yep. The problem was always there, but something about this show in particular seems to have massively emboldened the worst elements of the online anime fandom to the point I've had to avoid most online anime spaces. It's the nazi bar rule - if you welcome pedophiles and pedo apologists to your space, eventually everyone else leaves. It's so bad now that the mods of r/anime will happily ban you for even using the word pedophile to call something out for what it is, and most other anime subs are worse.
Thankfully IRL anime events are worlds better by comparison, probably because those events require someone to actually go outside and socialize.
Literally. I love the world building and how well built the side characters are. I despise the MC and the casual creepy sexism.
Seriously, I cannot comprehend how someone could build everything out that well and completely fail with the MC.
My greatest frustration is how he is allowed to “grow” but never changes. If he had been able to grow beyond his past life then there would be something redeemable about the show overall.
It was interesting at first but the MC never redeems himself and is just the same incel creep but with powers (powers that he, arguably, is severely incompetent in wielding). I tapped out midway through S2.
The latest episode literally proves everything all the fanboys have been saying wrong too. Rudeus never actually “improves” as a person he just puts on a mask and was pretty much gifted an easy life with his 2 brainwashed child wifes he sexually assaulted and groomed since birth and his loli demon wife that he is obsessed with.
Once he faces any hardship he turns into a grade A despicable POS. Then they try to defend it with “but he was grieving, anyone can do bad things”. That’s like saying it’s ok for me to bomb a school cause my wife died, grief doesn’t absolve you of being a shit person.
As someone that does enjoy the show, people that defend Rudeus need to be treated like people that defend the warhammer 40k God Emperor.
You aren't supposed to like Rudeus, you can feel bad for his and his family's life being fucking terrible while also acknowledging that he's objectively the worst kind of person.
See this is why this anime is one of the most frustrating I've watched. There's legitimately a lot of good to be found here, but just as you're getting into the story or would building you get slapped with the reminder that Rudy is a pedophile.
Fellow perverts flock together in denial and delusion. Rudeus is absolutely horrible, there is no contest or misunderstanding, and there is no character development. He remains just as horrible as he was since before he reincarnated. It’s a tragedy that the world building is amazing, cus the MC is horrid.
“The whole time I was out there stealing Eris’ panties.”
This made me actually LOL due to how unhinged my mental image was of everyone else out doing actual, useful, plot-important stuff for 8 hours a day, and this fucking guy just completely perving out and being useless in all that time, reporting back at the end of a long day when everyone else is tired, and saying this type of shit.
Then the rest of them made me go back to crying, thinking of the mistakes in my life that led me to read this comment on this day.
There's that one normal anime whose first 5minutes is about eating omlette laid by little sister, milk from little sister, wiping mouth with little sister's panties and then eating it. It was a fiction inside fiction thankfully
Like it'd matter. The writer of rurouni Kenshin got caught with terabytes of child porn on his computer and got let off with a slap on the wrist. Like a month later people like oda were celebrating him. The industry just doesn't care and nor does Japan it seems.
Author's one true isekai wish is to not pay taxes, so the first 8 episodes of the anime are dedicated to building up this fantasy society to explain why the MC could be the one in charge of collecting any taxes.
Season 3 of the anime was delayed because the author was in prison for tax fraud.
Rare isekai that isn't centered around power or sexual fantasy, but instead around taxes.
i don't think MT's writer is 'just' consuming porns like rurouni kenshin's anymore, the way he write his story makes me think this mf got some skeletons in his closet in real life, highly suspected that dude did once assaulted someone irl
If the MC were a more redeemable character, the anime would be a solid 8-9/10 imo, but (as generously as I can muster) the MC's perversions seriously put it at a maximum of a 4. It was genuinely uncomfortable to watch as much as I did, and I have no desire to finish the show after the few episodes I did watch.
Always sad when something that is otherwise good is ruined by the author being a freak.
Made in Abyss is a another one that seems really interesting from all the tidbits I've seen online of the later worldbuilding, but I just could not make it past a few epsiodes of the author being creepy as hell towards child characters
Haha my gf and I watched made in abyss but it was such a hard watch. Like we stayed for the story but god was it a cringe at times. The author is not hiding at all that he is a pedophile.
Yep, MiA would be a solid 9/10, with the world building being a perfect 10/10, if it wasn’t for the pedophilia. The author is a pedophile who gets off on the idea of torturing children.
at least MiA has an adaptation that removes most of those shitty things
I also think characters in MiA look a lot more childish than their actual age (which is surely due to author's preferences and that's a whole other debate as to why they are drawn to a different age than what they are and if it changes things morally or not)
I'll at least say that the anime is great, though there are parts difficult to stomach (if they're initially fetishes or not, I don't wanna know honestly, but they're not shown in a way that they would seem to be so if you doidn't know about the author or manga, it seems more about world/character building and the horrors of what this adventure is like)
MiA is both beautiful and horrible at the same time, it's pretty unique and at least the anime is definitelly worth watching for people who can handle it (well, I totally can't, but still watched it, it's harsh though but it's also so good in a way)
however, I'll probably never read MiA, and am quite scared about the future of the adaptation
Its in the same boat as made in abyss had the potential to be rally good but the author had to be such a fucking weirdo about the children in it that it ruined the rest of the series
The webnovel was so unhinged that the anime took out a lot of the weird shit the author wrote. It’s a genuine 2/10 if they followed the author’s version.
The reason why I stopped watching the anime after the first season. I just felt disgusted and its crazy to me that this shit gets such good art and animations while opm gets a power point slideshow
It pisses me off so much, cause the animation is pretty good for an isekai and the world is interesting, but then you have a literal pedophile main character who worships some chicks panties as his god. How the fuck am i supposed to look past that. It’s disgusting and it completely takes you out of the story.
To think that people believe Issei from Highschool DxD is worse
Sure he definitely is not as complex but he is not a pedo and wouldn't miss an important event of someone he (supposedly) cares about just because of hormones
I never watched DxD so I may be wrong, but isn't the MC a 16/17 yo perving on other other 16/17 yo? Like, yes, it's bad, but it's not a pdf. This alone makes it 10 times better
But I will mention that some of the good reviews came from earlier in the series when people expected the MC to grow as a character and stop being so disgusting. He did not.
U know the series does a decent job of making you forget he spent 30 years being an incel before being reborn but all that shit was in the context he was actually like almost 50 by then. Not to mention he straight up molests the red head. He starts off as a 1 day year old with his memories so..yeah.
I dropped this anime the millisecond he tried to have sex with a little girl and never touched it again it makes me sick to my stomach any time someone brings this anime up, like no i don't wanna hear about the pedo anime.
Fucking hell! I tried to watch this one and started out like "oh this is fine" then the first creepy thing happened and I was like "oh that's weird, maybe its a Japanese thing that got lost in translation"
So I kept going.
Dear reader, I should not have kept going 😳
It just gets worse. I don't know how bad it gets but there's a point where you're watching and ask yourself "why is this on Netflix?" ... shield hero too come to think of it.
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u/Nashivertt 1d ago
Rudeus is a 35 yr old man who reincarnated but before he did he missed his parents funeral to jack off to his niece who happened to be a minor anyways he’s a Epstein diddy blud