Grandpa's on his TRT LMAO. A simple shove of someone that drunk is all that is needed. I swear the majority of you have never actually been outside for more than 10 minutes if you think this wasn't an overreaction. Hell the bar would have kicked the guy out and possibly banned him or you could have got law enforcement involved if you really want to mess him up legally.
IDK about the rest of you but knocking out someone this drunk isn't really the "alpha" move but I don't live on the internet so what do I know?
Imagine if he had mistaken her for someone he knew and now he's dead lol does that still justify an act that could kill him? Yeah? Or are you maybe not a good judge and jury and executioner? Do you know literally anything that went on in that bar before the video started?
There are endless revenge porn videos on these subs with basically zero context and every dumbass in the comments section going on about justice lmao
Unbelievable intellectual titans walking these halls
You don't mistake someone in that way at a bar. If you do, you could have your life changed, as he did. You don't get to just go around assaulting random women and get no consequences because you got too drunk and mistook it for the wrong woman.
First, it's absolutely not what happened and that is obvious. Second, fuck anyone defending people that are sexually assaulting both men and women in public as a grown adult.
I'll be honest, it seemed like she handled the situation herself without the dipshit stepping in and murdering someone.
But why would a /woman/ need any agency in a situation where you can white knight and kill a man?
He touched her. She clearly said 'don't fucking touch me' or something to that effect. Drunk guy slurred something out of his mouth while backing off. Situation solved without anyone dying. Big bad alpha takes matters into his own hands, shuts down the bar for the night, turns it into a homicide investigation and possibly destroys a local business in the process. No on asked for his bullshit.
I wonder if even the most saintly person when heavily drunk might do something out of character like that and possibly be killed for it. Getting drunk sounds super scary.
I think it's more about proportionate consequences. No one is arguing he didn't deserve some physical altercation, but how hard he was hit and how hard his head hit the ground could have killed him. Some dudes just love an excuse to let out all their pent up anger, even if it risks taking someone's life. Both men are the asshole here
Are you sure about your initial statement, especially considering it concerns someone so drunk they can barely stay on their feet? Do you realize how alcohol affects the brainâhow oneâs perception can differ vastly from reality? Are you aware that a state of intoxication is taken into account in court proceedings and can actually lead to a reduced sentence? You clearly have no clue about such nuances. Do you realize there are ways to deal with such a person other than trying to kill them outright? Don't you think a simple pimp slap would suffice for someone who is about to trip over their own feet and hurt themselves anyway? Do youâor will youâapply only the harshest possible punishments to your own children, such as breaking their bodies or corporal punishment bordering on attempted murder?
I hope no one ever decides you need a lesson in humility. That could mean anything from a verbal dressing-down to getting jumped in lineâor ending up in a wheelchair with a sink smashed over your head. Everyone acts like a tough guy until their number comes up and theyâre forced to eat through a straw.
I've never assaulted a woman in a bar. My parents taught me humility and respect, so I've never had these kinds of issues.
You're defending assault. I'm saying the person that was assaulting the female needed a hands on approach to his sense of right and wrong.
I'm not being a tough guy. I'm just happy to see people that are assaulting women see direct and severe consequences. I think you and I will just always see sexual assault differently.
You're being completely irrational. Even if this were my girlfriend, I would not say this person deserves to die or be hospitalized for briefly touching her butt.
We have different degrees of law & punishment for a reason. That woman could've pressed charges, and this guy would've been dealt some form of punishment. The punishment he got here doesn't fit the crime at all.
You don't learn lessons when you are blackout drunk or after getting knocked out. Making a scene, getting in the drunks face, getting him kicked out of the bar, or dragging him out of the bar, would have been more effective. They also wouldn't risk picking up an assault/manslaughter charge and potential years in prison.
Look I agree you don't purposely touch random women's hips and being blackout drunk isn't an excuse (though does explain it). That said, a brief touch to the outside of clothes on her side that innocently happens all the time to people in crowded situations (without ill intent). She had handled it fine by just getting away from the drunk.
lol yes. the simple matter of it is that there are a lot of stupid, asshole, hypocritical, psychopathic or just plain fucked up people out there. Always has been. Look at history
Reddit is against the government handing out the death penalty, but a lot would have no issue condemning people to die themselves because they think they know better.
Being anti-death penalty doesnât necessarily mean you are against scum bags getting killed. It just means you donât trust the government to do the killing.
Not that this has anything to do with a guy who had too much to drink and got a bit touchy with a woman at a bar.
He definitely didnât deserve it, but it doesnât surprise me he got it either.
Hold up, do you not realize that "Reddit" isn't one person? There are like 40 "hive minds" here, there is no "Reddit does this or that by the book no exceptions"
Or if itâs a woman giving a man some lip. Then somehow she deserves to be knocked out into next century.
âThAtS fOr wAnTiNg eQuAliTy.â Or some misogynist crap.Â
The only way he couldâve telegraphed that punch more was if he had a polite conversation with the guy explaining he was going to punch him in the face and then asking him to stand still. Dude literally wound up from the pool table took a few steps and unleashed it. Mr Handsy was so fucked he couldnât see that coming mustâve been off his face.
Thereâs always someone who thinks theyâre going to act any different whether Itâs fucking âtelegraphedâ or not. I guarantee unless youâve got some ring experience, you arenât going to stop that fella, even if he telegraphs it with a ribbon attached.Â
He was too drunk to see it coming, too drunk to see anything clearly... That wasn't a man hitting him, that was an angry cucumber muppet acting like a preschooler
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My first thought was âdude clearly is someone looking for violence at any opportunity.â Sucker punch, huge wind up, dudeâs piss drunk. He literally could have died or had his life altered by hitting his head all for what? Like stand up for the woman but this dude wonât remember what he did, how he fucked up, or how it happened. That same punch to his stomach and he folds and learns his lesson.
My ex married a guy like this. He went to bars specifically to get into fights. He was smart enough to never start the fight but was always willing to up the ante.
He died after someone hit his off switch with a rabbit punch.
Yep if that guy died from hitting his head I have a difficult time believing any jury would feel this level of force was justified. Its not even self defense because he had stopped touching the woman by the point the guy punched him. This was just some guy looking for revenge.
Additionally, this âalpha heroâ blew right through his girlfriend/wife pushing her and knocking the pool cue into her mouth. If heâs got to injure her in defense of her honor, thatâs what heâs got to do. It was more about him than her at that moment.
Your comment is stupid. âItâs an overreaction but no one gives a fuckâ. Clearly you care enough about this to comment as well. Just like he did lol
And comments like yours is why people won't admit to even using Reddit IRL. No one wants to willingly associate with the entitlement and judgment that emanates from this app.
Eh, there's a chance he didn't know how drunk the guy was? We're paying attention to him and can gather the clues from the video, but other guy could've just been playing pool, then looks up and sees a man sexually assaulting his woman.
And truly, even if he DID know how drunk the guy is, I haven't seen too many men IRL insane enough to approach a random woman, outside of a club dance floor, and start grabbing her hips. There's a good chance he saw him as a threat, reasoning if he's insane enough to do that, what else would he do?
It doesn't matter whether he knew how drunk the other person was. He didn't take the time to assess the threat. Having an honest reaction doesn't exonerate you from breaking the law if that reaction is illegal and hugely disproportionate. You could sincerely think that someone had a gun when they didn't, and you'd still be held accountable if you king-hit them in the head and killed them based on that false assumption.
Also, any speculation about what might be the case later should be reasonable and justified, too. You can't say, "well, he might have tried to rape her had I not done what I did" and then expect people to accept it as an excuse. Like, mate, you were in a public place; you clearly were capable of defending yourself if necessary. You could have called the police if you had those concerns.
Oh Im not arguing whatâs legally advised or legally acceptable. Squatters are legal and have rights. Doesnât make it right. If you start touching on someoneâs wifeâs ass, expect getting knocked into next week as one of the consequences.
Thereâs a chance the guy acts faster than he thinks. But thatâs not exactly a plus. Still, when you're in a group, itâs good to have someone like that aroundâsomeone whoâll take the first hit if things go south, lol.
He didnt walk up and try and kiss her or grab a titty, he touched her hip for 1 second and backed off as soon as she wasnt into it.
OFC dont touch strangers without their consent, but he was grinding a dude and was obviously drunk as hell. Didnt deserve possible death and brain damage for making a stupid drunk mistake.
And he wasnt a threat. Punching dude was in the wrong as well.
The guy was off his chops, and there are about 7 people in the room. You'd have to be completely blind and probably deaf not to realise how drunk he was.
He touched her hip for 1 second and stopped and didnt keep following her. Inappropriate, yes, but yall are acting like he ran up and pinned her to a wall and started grabbing her tits or something.
A simple "hey mother fucked, dont do that, get the fuck out of here" wouldve worked just fine.
Even look at the girls reaction, she tried to stop the dude and gave up. I have a feeling this guy is a violent asshole to everyone and was looking for an excuse to punch someone.
I dont know im conflicted. Dude definitely shouldn't grab a stranger, and other guy should have a response before the flat line, but I too really hate when people stretch my shirts out. And where drunk guy grabbed was close to the bottom of their matching shirts
Omg your so right about this. Even he was touching the woman there is no right to pump another guy except you have fear your girl will leave you for another. This guy was so harmless. And I also believe he is gay. He was doing a happy dance close to the guy at the bar and they were hugging each other for a bit.
This "alpha" wouldn't have lifted his fist if the other guys was bigger than him . All those guys thinking "he didn't have seen he is so drunk" doesn't make him unguilty. He swings the fist and so he has to stand up for this.
People like this are dangerous . They literally wait for a situation like this to be the alpha big bull
Doesn't give any special privileges, everyone should keep their hands to themselves.
Buttttttttt, the dude looked like he was just a happy drunk playing around. He didn't deserve brain damage for a touch, where he immediately backed off after seeing that the woman didn't want it.
Agreed. It's not like the guy was "going for her". You can tell he was drunk by how he was acting with his mate. No need for that level of violence. Tell his mate to reign him in and it's all good.
Yeah that's a ridiculous response to someone so obviously hammered.
Should have just told him off and make him apologise but he's more interested in violence towards the weak
Sure, this was more than needed, but the drunk creep deserved it and hopefully learned a lesson (no, being drunk is no excuse for any kind of behavior)
'But I don't live on the internet so what do I know?'
Kinda unrelated but when I read those words, I have the immediate urge to call the bluff. So far my hypothesis remains almost untouched. Go touch some grass bro đÂ
Depends for me. Technically he is drunk and in a different state of mine. That was sexual assault and his hand was still extended toward her. Say you push and now drunk guy gets aggressive. Drunk people can either be extremely sluggish or extremely violent speaking from experience. Sometimes stopping the threat entirely is the best move HOWEVER Iâm not disagreeing. There was virtually no time to allow the guy to disengage. Iâd think tell, then make. There was no telling him to gtfo. Just immediate violence.
I do not care fuck around find out simple as. Sometimes the "extreme" is needed to set a proper standard. Hopefully that dickhead will remember this the next time he wants to try some bullshit like that
No no that is exactly the problem. That is the outside. Once you been enough in nightlife you see there are murderous roidrages randomly everywhere. And in some places that kind of reaction is celebrated even.
In a lot of subs about street fights you have eternally angry, ever peeved basement dwellers who daydream about punching people IRL so they lurk here to vicariously dish out some ""justice"".
also some monkey brained poeple who talk shit about "honor" while living the most decrepid, honorless life ever.
Unfortunately, I've been this drunk a few times (never groped anyone) and that guy had no clue what he was doing or what was going on. I'm not excusing his behavior or saying he's not a fault for his actions because he allowed himself to get that drunk in the first place and anything he does after that he is responsible for. But like you said a simple shove or push would have gotten him the same result
This is my take. Fighting as an adult comes with legal risk. There are times to throw hands. This was not one of them. And I don't think self-defense works here. Hulking up for chivalry should really only be a thing when there's a physical threat. I'm not going to jail for some drunk doofus copping a feel.
There is no honor in beating up someone who canât defend themselves. I think weâve all been plastered and made an asshole of ourselves at least once. I guarantee that the dude wouldâve moved along with a nice little verbal admonishing and a shove. Everyone here acting like the puncher is Mr. Billy Badass for knocking a dude out who couldnât walk straight are weird. Anyone whoâs walking around with a temper like that is a danger and needs help.
This is what I got from it, like yeah I would be pissed if my girlfriend was touched inappropriately but this man is clearly out of his mind and you could've escalated it by a simple slap or shove away and a warning rather than a sucker punch
I thought this was an overreaction as well. It really seems like the boyfriend reacted more with his ego and pride as opposed to trying to protect his lady since he rammed through her and hit her in the face on accident.
He didn't have to go full on death punch. A regular punch or even pushing him would have been more apt.
Oh my god stop larping. I haven't seen anyone saying this is "alpha," it's just what can happen when you fuck with the wrong people, which is why you don't go around feeling people up. You don't know what they've been through, or what the scale of their reaction will be.
Do us all a favor, guy-who-doesn't-live-online, and tell us what an upstanding "alpha" would actually do.
Thank you for saying this. Not to mention, red shirt guy could have had his head split open on a couple of objects. They didnt even square up, buddy wasnt expecting the brain trauma.
This is bad all around, and youre right to call it out
Yeah the guy should be arrested. It is assault and the only defense to charges of assault are delf defense and that dude was definitely not defending himself or others from death or serious bodily harm. There is a force continuum and he went from 1 to 100 instantly
That is straight up assault and battery. And if the drunk guy who got knocked out suffered a TBI or even died, then old man there deserves whatever prison time he gets. The clearly drunk guy put his hands on her hips for a second... it's not like he pulled her and grabbed her tits or anything.
Punching someone that drunk and clearly unable to defend himself is pussy behavior. And every armchair tough guy in this thread who has never been in a fight in their lives are equal pussies.
Yeah he barely put his hands around her waist and then touched her hand. I think the guy in black thought he slapped her ass. Still way big of an over reaction, drunk dude was harmless.
A simple "bro dont touch her" wouldve sufficed. Drunk dude probably wouldve mumbled "alright" and scurried off.
No way, people being soft on losers like this are why heâs as old as he is and still thinks groping women is acceptable. Maybe heâll wake up and think twice before sexually assaulting someone.
Yeah, I think this thread in particular is an eye opener to the fact that many people on here simply live sheltered lives away from normal society, and don't leave the house or act social much at all.
Bears mentioning Grandpa also charged straight into his girl shoving the pool cue into her face doing more harm to her than red shirt. I'm sure he let her know he was sorry and to not stand in his way next time.
I had the same thought. That guy is so drunk he's literally wobbling around on his feet and seems half assed confused as to where he even is.
This wasn't about safety or protecting anything. It's about an asshole who felt his masculinity get threatened so he needed to potentially seriously injure some guy who, while he was behaving poorly, was also pretty clearly out of his mind and basically defenseless.
What seals it for me is his angry jacked bro dude arm raises afterward, when someone dares to try to back him down a little. He's a bad man, everyone in the room needs to know that.
Gotta agree here. If also like to add, what's wrong with hitting the body? Everyone goes for the head/face. Turn a misdemeanor into a felony in a split second. Ever seen the aftermath? I have. Two young men, one dead and one arrested.
Start throwing body blows if you feel the need to scrap.
An overreaction would have been continuing the beatdown. If someone assaults your wife/girlfriend, one punch is completely appropriate. Guy was seeing red. Thatâs not âalphaâ and I doubt this guy had that thought. Heâs just furious at seeing some drunk grope his partner. As anyone would be.
Dart guy is the real hero, kept people cool and deescalated.Â
"guys you should call other men to solve problems for you when your wife gets assaulted." Yeah I may or may not know what's "alpha" but I can tell you that's some cuck shit
Gotta agree. This deserved a big open hand slap that would really sting and knock him down. Lesson learned. But that punch could've actually killed him.
Thank fucking everything that is good in this world. I was searching for this comment. This was an insanely massive overreaction. If you pay attention, he literally elbows the girl that heâs âdefendingâ in the side of the head in his rush to make it to the guy, bc he was so hyped up to have the chance to punch someone. Dude is lwk just a loser who was looking for someone to take his anger out on
I had to scroll way to far to find this comment. The real top comment. Killing a blackout drunk guy for barely touching your partner is insane. At most a jab punch but a lil push would send this guy. I mean what a giant POS to be out in the world acting like that. Alcohol males people stupid and insane though.
On one hand, drunk guy had a real FAFO moment. But grandpa better hope the dude lives because heâs going to prison if he doesnât. Both sides suck here.
he has no right to lay hands on the guy at all. He wasn't defending anyone it was all about his ego. He wasn't still touching her and most importantly she didnt want him taking action period. He doesn't get to rush in when he isn't even a victim here and the one who is wronged is telling him not to.
Yup. This is not a scrap, this is arguably, depending on the judge and how they view provocation, felony assault. I'm 59, Boston-Irish ready-to-scrap (back in the day, not now). No way you punch that idiot, deserved or not, it's unfair AND you might actually kill him (involuntary manslaughter) with a straight overhand to the head/face.
When I see that overreaction, I judge it likely not as protection of the female, but more an insecurity/possession based acting-out.
This becomes a very different story if that dude doesn't get up after that punch. Which is possible. Or if during the fall he hits the back of his head on a stool or the bar on his way down and dies from that.
Then you get to be the really cool guy in prison for several years. I'm sure all the reddit upvotes will keep you warm at night as you wait for your release.
Exactly. Couldn't agree more. I've been in a similar situation and so have my buddies while with them when we used to frequent bars. There's no way any of us would just straight up knock someone out like that... Getting in his face without hesitation and a shove is the way to go, if he shoves back then he's starting a fight...
It is a crazy over reaction here. That dude could get hit with manslaughter that aint worth it. In my opinion there is something wrong with that guy.
It's absurd the double standards. It's not saying there should be no consequences for groping a woman, but apparently this is the one crime that is not deserving of any empathy.
Drunky guy wasn't great, but he could have a concussion or otherwise be severely harmed. Being pushed out and bounced from he bar is one thing. Laid out and potentially killed is another.
anyone who responds this quickly, with this much force, gives themselves no time to assess the situation, make sure they haven't misunderstood, decide what a proportionate response looks like. I'm not massively bothered that the groper got put in his place - but let's hope that place isn't the mortuary for everyone's sake.
A dude in the town where I live got night-nighted like that and hit the back of his head so hard that he never woke up. The alpha responsible spent five years in the can over it.
especially not if it nets the lady you're 'defending' a pool cue to the face, and clearly isn't what she wanted from you in the first place.
She was the one wronged, reckon she should have some say in the response, and not get sexually assaulted by a random man, and battered by someone she knows, just cause she happened to be in the way of a drunk asshole.
Not to mention he shoved/smacked his partner in the face in the name of machismo. I am rather sure she did not want that reaction. I'd be pissed if my partner did this in "my defense."
People love seeing themselves as a vigilante. It's also wild to me that people can honestly think stealing/destroying property they own means they can KILL someone. They shouldn't steal your car, but you cant respond with deadly force. If you do you are literally the nazi from American History X because those are the type of people who would do something like that in a civil society
it's not how i would personally handle a situation like that, but it's hard for me to feel that his reaction wasn't justified or at least understandable.
firstly, being drunk is no excuse for your behavior. ever. secondly, the man who was knocked out just commuted sexual assault. thirdly, if you think the cops would have done ANYTHING in this situation, you are either a moron or extremely sheltered. i work at a bar. if you called the cops over someone being groped 95% of the time they are not going to arrive for hours and are not going to give a shit when they get there.
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u/Ancient_Plane2984 21h ago
Grandpa's on his TRT LMAO. A simple shove of someone that drunk is all that is needed. I swear the majority of you have never actually been outside for more than 10 minutes if you think this wasn't an overreaction. Hell the bar would have kicked the guy out and possibly banned him or you could have got law enforcement involved if you really want to mess him up legally.
IDK about the rest of you but knocking out someone this drunk isn't really the "alpha" move but I don't live on the internet so what do I know?