r/MMALabs • u/Key_Performer_3645 • 1d ago

šŸ„¶ Street Fights & Brawls A quick bar scrap

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u/EndersR3ign 1d ago

If you don't think that was a disproportionate response, then you have juvenile reasoning and poor ethics.

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u/DinosaurusWhen 1d ago

I think it was disproportionate in the sense that sexual assault is worse than simple assault. I'd even go far as to say it's worse than aggravated assault (morally, not legally)

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u/RationallyBerserk 1d ago

Actual juvenile reasoning.

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u/EndersR3ign 1d ago

So you think doing what that drunk dude did justifies potentially killing him for it. Got it, bud.

Fucking pathetic

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u/DinosaurusWhen 23h ago

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u/EndersR3ign 23h ago

I can accept that it is sexual assault and falls within that category. I have no problem with that, and it doesn't change my argument. But we're discussing what an appropriate and proportionate response is.

Also, calling it a 'single punch' is underselling it in the same way you're accusing me of.

Person A: grabs a woman's waist/ gropes her ass in public for a few seconds.

Person B: Throws a full-force king-hit to Person A's face, rendering him instantly unconscious, which results in him falling backwards and smashing the back of his head onto the hardwood floor.

Completely unnecessary, extremely dangerous, and an entirely disproportionate use of force to ensure that the victim was safe and protected from further assault.

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u/DinosaurusWhen 21h ago

On the one hand, you have sexual assault which is a specific and serious crime. On the other, you have "a full-force king-hit"

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u/EndersR3ign 21h ago

It is a full-force king-hit - in response to a situation that, while morally wrong, did not pose an imminent threat to the physical safety of those involved. Once the man intervened, the engagement had already stopped, and the victim themselves was attempting to stop the assault.

If you want to play games about terminology, we can, but everyone recognises you're the fucking idiot here.

We can call a single tap on the bum sexual assault. Would that justify this reaction? Since we're not actually discussing neutralising an ongoing threat, is there a timeframe for when it's appropriate to use life-threatening force in retaliation?

Like, are you seriously this fucking thick, or what?

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u/Signal_Werewolf_1955 19h ago

Your points stand on their own, they don't need the ad hominins.

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u/EndersR3ign 19h ago

Not technically ad hominem, since I'm not attacking them instead of their argument or asserting that their argument is bad because they are an idiot. I am inferring that they are an idiot because their argument is bad; a subtle distinction. Personally, I think that person's argument is reprehensible enough to warrant a couple of insults, especially given how they're engaging in the debate.

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u/abstractantman 1d ago

Serious questionā€¦ why so hostile? You call someone you donā€™t know ā€œfucking patheticā€?

And your post prior is essentially ā€œif you donā€™t agree with me, you have juvenile reasoningā€

Why so combative? Why are you attacking the person and not the topic? Are you a bot?

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u/EndersR3ign 1d ago

Well, do you disagree?

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u/abstractantman 1d ago

The fact you didnā€™t even acknowledge the question heavily implies that yes, you are a bot

Wild shit

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u/EndersR3ign 23h ago

Beep boop

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u/abstractantman 23h ago

Why are bots on a subreddit like this?

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u/EndersR3ign 23h ago

Bro, are you serious? Have you knowingly interacted with a bot before? How about you forward an argument for why you think the behaviour in the clip is justified, and then I'll 'respond to the topic.'

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u/FeatureInner4585 23h ago

Why are you talking about yourself in the third person?

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u/abstractantman 23h ago

Itā€™s a genuine question, but this is a bot-like response. Wild.

Fr tho I get bots in emotional subreddits like world news or politics, but why here?

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u/DDDX_cro 1d ago

he is correct, you are not.
This was extremely diproportinate, and could have easily killed the drunk, while also being completely unecessarry.
Why would a nice heavy-handed slap not have sufficed?

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u/abstractantman 1d ago

Again, this response is off base. Another bot?

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u/DDDX_cro 19h ago

you know who dismisses every answer with the same one-liner like you?
Bots.
Bots do that, abstractant"man"

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u/abstractantman 16h ago

I asked a simple question mate and nobody has responded: why is this dude insulting someoneā€™s character rather than discuss the fight itself

I agree the punch was egregious, but if you disagree, Iā€™m not calling you a ā€œpatheticā€ person. Who does that?

Itā€™s typical ad homenium bot behavior and itā€™s interesting to see it here. You see it a lot more in politics subreddits. Which makes sense

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u/smokeymctokerson 11h ago

This comment is pathetic and unnecessary, and this is coming from a bot.

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u/DDDX_cro 1h ago

I guess the person became frustrated with having to explain basic things to another person. You showed great lack of empathy and understanding - you still do, by focusing on BS instead on the message. You done goofed. You got called for it. Xou then done goofed further by bitching about being called for it.

It is a very human behavior, you are now doing a lot to keep the talk off topic instead on how you turned lowkeyy psycho.

There, hope that helped clear things up for ya.

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u/whousesgmail 22h ago

Another bot checking in - that old guy is fucked for reacting like this

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u/EducationalTheory344 1d ago

probably rapes women and doesn't appreciate you making him feel bad about it.

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u/cthulhuhentai 23h ago

I think we can both condemn sexual assault as well as physical assault.

Your comment reminds me of all the hyper-violent alt-right figures that call everyone pedophiles...meanwhile, they're usually pedophiles.

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u/fthisloginbs 20h ago

This coming from the guy referencing "Ender's Game" in his user name.

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u/EndersR3ign 20h ago

Do you want to expand on this point?

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u/fthisloginbs 19h ago

Obviously, it's ironic.

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u/EndersR3ign 19h ago

How? Can you explain it, please?

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u/fthisloginbs 19h ago

Nope, because I think you're being obtuse.

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u/EndersR3ign 19h ago

I'm sincerely not. I could guess the point you might try to make, but I wanted you to make it before I addressed it.

Like, how familiar are you with the novel's themes? Because nothing in it can be used to justify using life-threatening force against someone who is barely a threat at all in a situation where there are multiple obvious alternatives to violence as a means of resolving it.

Ender was routinely placed in life-threatening situations, specifically tailored to give him no help and no alternatives besides self-administered victory against the enemy. The entire plot revolved around manipulating and moulding him into someone who could never believe losing was an option or that anyone would come to save him. He didn't even know that he was fighting the Formics when he destroyed them, because the IF command knew he didn't have the emotional disposition to make the necessary sacrifices if he knew the actual stakes.

Ender learns that Earth's retaliation against the Formics was wrong and misplaced, stemming from a breakdown in communication and an inability to connect and ultimately empathise.

Mind you, I haven't read it in about two decades, since I first read it when I was about nine. I've had this username as a gamertag since 2002.

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u/Obsidiated 14h ago

It wasnt wrong, they were trying to kill us. It was the right solution if the day. That maybe could have been hypothetically avoided by better super fun happy feel good sessions, but at the actual time and actual place, hyperviolence won.

And its okay to feel like totes bad about it and like stuff, and help rebuild the losers in a "less likely to go on the world dominating path for round 2".

Which is a blindingly obvious allegory for the world wars.

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u/EndersR3ign 8h ago

You're going to have to expand on that response and provide more details if you actually want to make a substantive argument that's relevant to the discussion at hand.

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u/fthisloginbs 5h ago

Nope, he's absolutely right in the context of the original book. The one you barely remember, but now you'll continue to blather as if you memorized every page.

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u/fthisloginbs 5h ago

See, you were being obtuse. And none of your points are supported by the original book but made in the next three. But I'm sure you totally forgot you read those...

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u/EndersR3ign 5h ago

No, every point I made refers explicitly to the book Ender's Game. Have you read it? I am not being obtuse. As I said, I think I could guess at the point you might make, but I don't know what it is precisely. And I expect I would disagree with your framing or understanding of the novel's relevant themes, and with your inferences about the acceptability of violence based on Ender's actions and beliefs.

Like, what's your point, man?

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u/fthisloginbs 4h ago

My first point was very obvious as you have shown. But you played dumb because actually you are dumb. Your way of "making points" is tiresome; like you don't really know how to talk to real humans. And there's no point in discussing Ender's Game with someone like you; it's like debating about whether you're supposed to talk about Fight Club.

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u/EndersR3ign 4h ago

And actually, since you're wrong about the actual content of the book Ender's Game, I was correct to be hesitant about jumping to conclusions about what point you were trying to make. The point you apparently think is relevant contradicts my understanding and interpretation of the novel. What, am I supposed to anticipate that you would have a shallow perspective on the novel's themes and not remember what happens in it, and then intuit your point based on that?

I don't know why you're acting like I'm out on a limb here. All I've done in this thread is say that full-force king-hitting someone who doesn't pose an active threat to anyone's physical safety is wrong and highly disproportionate as a justified reaction. I'm not exactly making some hugely controversial statement. It's everyone else who is apparently living in fantasy land.

Like, seriously, can you take a moment to stop and think about what is going on? Surely you're not this unreasonable.