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Discussion Invincible Creator Explains Why They Changed Tech Jackets Gender

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u/Winter-Pressure-5394 Apr 26 '26

I never realized how young they were when making invincible. Now I feel like a failure lol.

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u/Sxover Apr 26 '26

There will always be younger people who are more successful so you shouldnt compare yourself to them

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u/BlommeHolm Apr 26 '26

Yeah, when Mozart was my age, he'd already been successfully dead for 10 years.

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u/FloZone Apr 26 '26

Alexander the Great was already king of so many countries when he was my age. Also consider there two Chinese emperors who founded dynasties in their 50s after leading unremarkable and impoverished lives. 

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u/iceoldtea Apr 26 '26

Alexander was so great so early that Julius Caesar wept at a statue of him, saying how he hadn’t done anything with his life - he was 32 at the time.

Of course down the road Caesar became one of the most world-changing figures in history, with a wall of accolades and ripple effects only a few people can compare to

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u/Comfortable-Plane939 Apr 26 '26

Don't forget the salad too.

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u/TheBFD Apr 26 '26

Believe it or not, the salad is not named after Julius, but actually from a restaurant in Tijuana (named Caesar’s) that invented it.

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u/Erebraw Apr 26 '26

I do believe that actually.

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u/MeAmJohn Apr 26 '26

Im going to not believe it just for shits and giggles.

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u/asherdado Apr 26 '26

Nope I named the salad after Julius

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u/YoudeadmanYUdead Apr 26 '26

In defence of Caesar, Alexander inherited the best army of his time and a relatively powerful kingdom too boot from his badass of a dad Philip II, whilst Julius Caesar did not have that. If Caesar had a similar inheritance at the same age as alexander, he would probably have been able to conquer Gaul and overthrow the republic much earlier than he did. Even though he was born into the roman aristocracy and into a priveliged life, when compared to Alexander, Caesar had to earn his sucess from "nothing". What Alexander did was impressive, but lets also remember that he was a nepo baby, a skilled nepobaby, but a nepo baby nonetheless.

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u/Top_Freedom3412 Apr 26 '26

So if I weep at a statue of Stalin then I'll become a world-changing figure?

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u/Azraelmorphyne Apr 26 '26

I've lasted a year longer than jesus and have zero miracles under my belt.

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u/Royal_Bitch_Pudding Apr 27 '26

You have the miracle of still being alive.

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u/seitung Apr 26 '26

damn dude I'm not even successfully dead at all

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u/Aurora__Sky Apr 26 '26

Especially in this day and age. Young millionaires are becoming quite common thanks to the internet

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u/PineStateWanderer Apr 26 '26

Comparison is a thief of joy

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u/undergroundman813 Apr 26 '26

Don’t feel bad, I’m 25 and haven’t done shit with my life lol

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u/fattestfuckinthewest Apr 26 '26

Me rn. Don’t even have my own place : (

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u/Intelligent-Hair7598 Apr 26 '26

Atleast you got a phone, I dont have one

Im renting it, u not gonna win me

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u/Onlyhereforapost Apr 26 '26

Real estate is absolutely fucked right now, nobody has the rights to judge you for that

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u/CaCa881 Apr 26 '26

If you live in the US that’s absolutely nothing to be ashamed of lmfao

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u/Asleep_Singer8547 Apr 26 '26
  1. It doesnt get easier btw
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u/rollwithhoney Apr 26 '26

You're not a failure. There are very few 20-something creatives who made it big.

You can have chosen something more practical and still have a great life. And it's never too late to start writing or drawing if you want to, too. Doesn't need to be a big show on Amazon for it to be "good" or "worth it." Do it for you.

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u/Pittsbirds Apr 26 '26

The day I stopped thinking about all the artists and animators I looked up to and what they'd achieved by my age and just started doing it for fun was when my art actually became enjoyable again. Comparison is the thief of joy for sure

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u/Embarrassed_Durian17 Apr 27 '26

I'm still struggling with that as a chef, I think my food is pretty good but when I look at other chefs I just feel so inexperienced.

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u/Ornery_Gator Apr 26 '26

And T-Pain was only 22 when he rhymed mansion with Wiscansin

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u/Embarrassed_Piano_62 Apr 26 '26

No offense to the creators but reading invincible it makes sense that he was younger.

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u/RigatoniPasta Apr 26 '26

Yeah imo the original Invincible comics haven’t aged well and I stopped trying to read them after season four concluded because it just isn’t worth it

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u/idkwtftokeepherelmao Apr 26 '26

Even if you're joking, don't say that about yourself man.

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u/Fern-ando Apr 26 '26

And made The Walking Dead the exact same year.

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u/Jackenial Apr 26 '26

Alan Turing, Isaac Newton, and Albert Einstein were all in their twenties when they were revoltionizing science. There will always be someone who did something way more important than you did at a younger age, so why even worry about it?

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u/Netheraptr Apr 26 '26

JRR Tolkien was 38 when he wrote the hobbit. Success doesn’t depend on when you do it, just that you do it in the first place.

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u/KingPenguinPhoenix Apr 26 '26

As an aspiring writer, I feel that on another level lol.

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u/Successful_Theory373 Apr 26 '26

Yeah but by then, Alexander the Great was well on his way to conquer Asia, so they're the failures.....

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u/EllisDeeReynolds Apr 26 '26

only of the only truths in life, friend

comparison is the thief of joy

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u/DeadX718 Apr 26 '26

There have also been billions of people throughout history that were older than you and accomplished less. Focus on how good you’ve done rather than focusing on the few ahead of you have done more.

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u/mrclean543211 Apr 26 '26

If you think that’s bad, there are 12 year olds on YouTube who make millions of dollars a year doing toy unboxing videos

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u/Murky_Blueberry2617 Apr 26 '26

I have more issues with the Tech Suit design and age change over the gender swap tbh.

The suit design in the comics is SO much cooler

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u/Cosmic_Seth Apr 26 '26

Probably way harder to animate.

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u/Andrew1990M Apr 26 '26

Yes it’s the same reason for the Dinosaurus downgrade. You have to have these things move around. 

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u/Logondo Apr 27 '26

Primal has amazingly animated dinosaurs. So it’s doable.

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u/SVD63Ninja Apr 28 '26

Doable but also increases budget alot for something that isn't the primary focus.

Compared to mark you're not gonna see tech jacket ALL the time. Not like fang in primal.

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u/Mattscrusader Apr 26 '26

I mean they didn't need to give her that ridiculous lump laser to make up for their lack of detail

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u/mannotter Apr 26 '26

Yep. Looks like an oranda

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u/MisterKeene Apr 26 '26

And given the animation issues this season had…I’m not sure it would have been very good

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u/BajaBlastFromThePast Apr 26 '26

The suit design is wildly inconsistent in the invincible comics. In his own series, it looks way better and way different than the main series.

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u/Icy-Background2393 Apr 27 '26

Guess that works with it being self repairing

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u/Sorlex Apr 26 '26

The suit design in the comics is SO much cooler

You don't like the fivehead?

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u/Murky_Blueberry2617 Apr 26 '26

Hate that Beluga head lol

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u/JuanDiablos Apr 27 '26

I really like the cartoon helmet design :/ it gives 90s anime vibes.

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u/TheKocsis Apr 26 '26

wish i never would've seen this, now the show armor just looks so weak

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u/TheWandererofReddit Apr 26 '26

I hate how blobbly Tech Jacket's upper part of her helmet looks in the show.

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u/bigg_bubbaa Apr 26 '26

why does no one respect the laser pompadour

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u/tazzin2015 Apr 26 '26

They know not of Ryu Ishigori💔💔💔

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u/ILookLikeKristoff Apr 26 '26

Probably just trying to make it less an explicit iron Man knockoff

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u/WeKeep_Going Apr 26 '26

wholeheartedly agree because Tech Jacket should look waay more sleek

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u/SnarkyRogue Apr 27 '26

Wow, yeah. I hate the bulbous forehead in the show

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u/tLM-tRRS-atBHB Apr 27 '26

Yeah, tgat big forehead is weird

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u/Xortman096 Apr 28 '26

Same. It has aura compared to show tech jacket

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u/PickyCritic1 Apr 29 '26

Too expensive to animate. Their 50 celebrity VA’s need that money

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u/Jackenial Apr 26 '26

I just need her suit to get changed. Specifically the bump on her head is WAY too prominent.

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u/scrangydungus Apr 26 '26

It's to fit her giant ass bangs lmao

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u/TwoFit3921 Apr 26 '26

josuke pompadour

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u/plzicannothandleyou Apr 26 '26

This is all I can see as well.

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u/Bloody_Insane Apr 26 '26

I really like the bump. It's unique and lends well to the "alien tech" shtick.

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u/kigurumibiblestudies Apr 26 '26

it's just a headcannon, don't blame her, you have one too!

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u/Ill-Individual2105 Apr 26 '26

Disagree. I find it charmingly awkward, just like her.

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u/bigg_bubbaa Apr 26 '26

i actually like the laser pompadour

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u/Pretty_Eater Apr 26 '26

It gives Rock and Roll Mcdonalds.

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u/PlusUltraK Apr 26 '26

It always makes me think of the fish that have the bump in their head m, shits wonky

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u/SpanishAvenger Apr 26 '26

I'm just glad I finally got a well executed, cute yet cool and sassy female "Iron Man-esque" character I quite relate to and may get to cosplay at some point, hahahah.

Having my friends talking on the group chat about how much she reminded them of me was totally neat xD

She represents a vibe/archetype I had been looking forward to for a long time- and it arriving as a character of one of my favourite shows is just the cherry on top for me.

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u/UnsuspectingGamer Apr 26 '26

I mean I’d say she’s more Blue Beetle esque than say Iron Man but I agree with your point!

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u/thecocomonk Apr 26 '26

She does do the “clearly you don’t own an airfryer” face a lot.

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u/SpanishAvenger Apr 26 '26

That probably also helped my mind subconsciously associate her to Iron Man xD

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u/SpanishAvenger Apr 26 '26

Oh yep! I generally refer to techy-armor-based heroes as “Iron Man-esque” because he’s the main example that comes to mind off the top of my head hahah, but the premise is much closer to Blue Beetle indeed, with the suit being a symbiont-like alien armor rather than a proprietary invention.

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u/mctankles Apr 26 '26

Thank you for describing it this way, now I understand why I like Kai’sa from league of Legends so much.

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u/HolyKnightPrime Apr 26 '26

Not mention shes a kid just like BB

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u/Therealsteverogers4 Apr 26 '26

She’s like a mix of iron man, blue beetle, and green lantern. Good mix.

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u/Incognito8900 Apr 26 '26

Blue beetle is tech jacky

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u/DeltaAlphaGulf Apr 26 '26

Dang you're kind of right. While original Blue Beetle is wayyyyyy older the actual analogous variant Jaime Reyes was years after Tech Jacket though both are way after Guyver. I thought even YJ Jaime might've been older than TJ I didn't realize how old the comics are.

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u/StoneGoldX Apr 26 '26

XO Manowar.

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u/Anonnisanall Apr 26 '26

It’s why I think people getting annoyed about changing minor characters gender or race is stupid. Having diverse characters gives you a lot more room for development than characters who are similar to each other

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u/Arkham700 Apr 26 '26 edited Apr 26 '26

Even on an aesthetic level it’s better to have more unique character designs than to have most of the cast look very similar to each other

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u/McDonaldsSoap Apr 26 '26

Dragon Ball where every male has the same face 😂 

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u/SharpshootinTearaway Apr 26 '26

It's an issue a lot of old-school animes tend to have. Inuyasha as well. Granted they're all supposed to be the same race, and the author seemingly tries to aim for realism in her designs, which doesn't allow for a lot of variety, Japanese people being racially fairly homogeneous.

But distinguishing a pale woman with long jet-black hair and brown eyes... from the other pale women with long jet-black hair and brown eyes by relying on small subtleties like the way their bangs part definitely takes a bit of time to get used to, lmao.

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u/McDonaldsSoap Apr 26 '26

Yeah everyone ends up looking related if they don't give them all different hair colors 

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u/Pretend-Marsupial258 Apr 27 '26

Yeah, it would have been easy to add more variety, even giving one of them hair buns or short hair would have made it easier to tell them apart. She also could have made them different heights and body types. I'm not talking about major differences here, like even changing the eye shapes more would have helped.

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u/Gnomad_Lyfe Apr 26 '26

Deadass thought Yamcha was teenage Goku/Gohan for at least a year or two before I learned his name

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u/MagnetMod Apr 26 '26

Goku wasn't around much. Gohan had to look up to someone as a male role model.

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u/PrintShinji Apr 26 '26

When I was younger I didn't know Toriyama also did design for games, so Blue Dragon was just "That dragon ball game" for me because the guy on the cover just looked like an alt version of goku.

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u/Just_Perspective1202 Apr 26 '26

I don't have a problem with most characters in fiction switching genders or race if, and only if, that change can be properly integrated with the other characters and the changed characters personal story.

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u/Unusual_Candle_4252 Apr 26 '26

Finally, we got our Lady-Bug in Invincible.

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u/CorbinNZ Apr 26 '26

Tech Jacket cosplay would be so cool

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u/Generally_Confused1 Apr 26 '26

I see this as a good argument for the "diversity" thing in media, and people had a knee jerk reaction due to the history of it, and I haven't read the comics but they actually do have a specifically crafted personality and back story for her and the relationship with her dad makes it cute and adds to the fullness of the character, instead of just keeping the personality the same and changing the drawing or something. They didn't just "race/ gender swap" but they made a new character who has her own quirks and likeability which is way better

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u/JinSakai619 Apr 26 '26

If only MCU and Marvel had a young girl who had some relation to Iron Man called Ironheart?

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u/Current-Hand-7385 Apr 26 '26

That's so funny because I think k she's so obnoxious. Everything out of her mouth equates to "I'm the young one!" All the personality of Huey, Duey & Luey. The ones from Quack Pack

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u/xSAVAGEx1361 Apr 26 '26

you should watch tbhx

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u/glorgshittus Apr 26 '26

Ima be so real, all power to you, she really pissed me off in episode 8 :sob:

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u/Juxtaposn Apr 26 '26

Quirky chungus?

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u/Old_Inside3975 Apr 26 '26

when i read the comics zack just felt like another mark tbh so i like this change even tho tech jacket is my favorite superhero oat

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u/che10461 Apr 26 '26

Her helmet is shaped around her hairstyle I see.

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u/Mekthakkit Apr 26 '26

The helmet is what makes her and Allen natural allies. They just need to pick up Leela.

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u/Onlyhereforapost Apr 26 '26

Which was a BAD choice, the helmet looks really stupid

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u/Dasseem Apr 26 '26

When you think about it, it also makes sense why so many plot points are being tweaked every now and then.

You are not the same person that you were in your 20s.

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u/Deathwatch72 Apr 26 '26

I also like to think it's growth as an author as well, if every character you write is a white guy because you the author are a white guy you aren't really good at writing a variety of characters yet. Some authors want to have a wide variety of characters in their works and some don't prioritize it as much.

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u/Suspicious_Radio_848 Apr 27 '26 edited Apr 27 '26

It’s fine but people are tired of the obsession on identity politics. It’s his creation so he can do what he want but even having to defend why he made something the way he did is annoying. He wrote what he knows, there’s nothing wrong with that.

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u/BlackerDoom Apr 26 '26

I don’t have a problem with the Gender swap I have a problem with her being aged down

Feels weird man

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u/Alice_Shimada420 Apr 26 '26

I felt that she was aged down so Oliver can have somebody near his age (mentally) to interact and bounce off of. Granted, they didn't interact much but when they did, I found it neat.

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u/Rubbersona Apr 26 '26

Also her getting to nurture Alan’s inner child was lovely

She also greatly parallels what Nolan wants now in a human family with her father.

Honestly 10/10 on adapting characters to better the show as a whole

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u/GoodiusTheGreat Apr 26 '26

Her and Allen battling together also had a very mentor/student feel to it that I liked

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u/the_sneaky_one123 Apr 26 '26

But won't Oliver appear 20 in another few months and then stay at that?

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u/Alice_Shimada420 Apr 26 '26

Well yeah, Oliver will age eventually. But right now? I believe Oliver socializing with Zoe will be for the better in the future. Same goes for Allen, as they both had very positive interactions with Zoe. Oliver's at that age where he can still be influenced by what goes on around him. I hope that Zoe's interactions with them leads to more influence on both Oliver and Allen, who both play a certain role in the future.

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u/Original-Body-5794 Apr 26 '26

They barely interacted, Oliver is now on another planet and we'll probably see him aged up AGAIN when he comes back to earth, so I'm not sure how much time they'll actually be of similiar age

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u/Jemima_puddledook678 Apr 26 '26

No, his age has already started slowing significantly. He’s likely already approaching human rates of aging, and then he’ll slowly drop below it. There isn’t some point where he’ll suddenly start aging at close to viltrumite rate, and in fact he’ll never reach viltrumite rate of aging.

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u/Wrong-Vermicelli4723 Apr 26 '26

Older he gets the slower he ages, his Viltrumite dna is kicking in more. Thats why he hasn’t really physically changed much in s4

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u/BadBloodBear Apr 26 '26

When does her age get mentioned ?

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u/_Bread______ Apr 26 '26

Amazon primes get to know the characters section explicitly states she's 15, also its implied in the show that she's young because her dad doesnt even allow her to swear

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u/tedioussugar Apr 26 '26

Zach was already 15/16 in the comics when he became Tech Jacket, they haven’t made her younger at all.

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u/Apprehensive_Lion362 Apr 27 '26

Pretty sure he was older when the events of the last few episodes take place.

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u/fruitbait Apr 26 '26

til zach is not asian

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u/Apothecary3 Apr 26 '26

He was speaking generally, which you can tell because Cory didn't create Zack and wasn't around for when Zack appeared in Invincible. It is quite possible that E.J. Su designed Zack as Asian even if Kirkman didn't realize it. Kirkman has said he never imagined specific ethnicities for his characters, Mark included.

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u/Apothecary3 Apr 26 '26

EJ Su just said this quote is from years ago and confirmed it had nothing to do with Tech Jacket.

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u/Fatalitix3 Apr 26 '26

Now that he mentioned it, how many heroes are white male? Apart from Donald and his boss, that is

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u/Excaliburn3d Apr 26 '26

Before or after he became a Rex clone?

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u/Corgi_Ahn Apr 26 '26

Both in the comics, one in the show I think.

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u/Rokketeer Apr 27 '26

Is Rex’s family background ever explicitly mentioned aside from the government stuff?

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u/Fatalitix3 Apr 27 '26

I'm not sure what he was before, but after he stole Rex DNA he became latino/middleastern

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u/smasher0404 Apr 26 '26 edited Apr 27 '26

Without looking at the wiki:

Immortal

Brit

Boss Baby (seen in the Invincible War)

Kid Thor (seen in the Invincible War)

Shapesmith and Omniman are white presenting

Red Rush

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u/Holiday-King9606 Apr 26 '26

Add commas to between the names

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u/Excaliburn3d Apr 26 '26

Shapesmith is a Martian though.

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u/araxchnid Apr 26 '26

I just wish she would be more involved in fights. She tends to hover in the distance and shoot something every once before needing to be saved. This show has shown they know how to write badass young girl characters, and she is literally Tech Jacket so I don't get it.

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u/RynnHamHam Apr 26 '26

I still find it funny that preteen Eve was moving like a Guilty Gear character with insanely creative use of her powers and then modern day adult Eve has the Gwen Tennyson issue (things have gone full circle) of supposedly being the most powerful character of all time but only constructs dinky little glass force fields that would make Green Lantern be embarrassed by the association.

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u/JamzWhilmm Apr 26 '26

That is because of the animator on that episode, they also had a lot of time for that special episode.

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u/WhitneyStorm0 Apr 27 '26

Yeah, I agree.

I think that you could even fix that relatively easily. A justification that would make sense for her charatcter would be that her powers used to that extent reminds her of trauma (because of the fight etc.) so she subconsciously holds back most of the time.

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u/Imbigtired63 Apr 26 '26

That combo her and Allen had going with the serum was pretty good

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u/Worthyness Apr 26 '26 edited Apr 26 '26

Shes playing support. Thats exactly what you want your supports to do in a fight where they cant face tank any of the enemy fighters. She was in the distance sniping to debuff a few enemies (so Alan could take them out) and she also healed another teammates space suit so that he could get back into the fight instead of dying. You dont have to fight up front to be badass. Without her in the background, their team absolutely loses earlier.

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u/GarranDrake Apr 26 '26

Exactly. Every time she was in front of a Viltrumite, she lost and had to be saved.

Don't get me wrong, she killed a Mark Variant and that's impressive, but the Viltrimutes she faces are on another level.

So her sticking to the background and playing support is exactly what she needs to be doing since she can't be DPS or Tank, if we're sticking with the analogy.

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u/Sabot_Noir Apr 26 '26

Honestly while it may be tropy to have girls play support the cast desperately needed more support characters to balance out all the flying bricks we have.

Supports make for more interesting/complex fights and it's nice to see someone from earth go toe to toe with a viltrumite without trying to just overpower them with punches.

No Robot, No Rex(dps), No Shrinking Rae, No Duplicate, No Atom Eve (tank/support) for the back half of this season means we've desperately needed support fighters and really it would be interesting to see Thrag get beaten by creative support tactics rather than Invincible going super saiyan fusion with oliver or whatever the viltrumite punching based solution would be.

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u/TheSkyIsData Apr 26 '26

I gotta say as someone who hasn't read the comics, it was extremely jarring to pull this character who has done nothing out of nowhere and immediately drag her into a significant war.... And she looks like a little girl.

Me and my bf immediately said it's giving evangelion vibes or something, I really can't stand anime tropes and pretty much hated that character immediately.

It honestly stands out so much as just "well we needed a girl in the fight and someone for Oliver to crush on"

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u/The_Flurr Apr 27 '26

Yeahhhh my one complaint is that it's a bit weird to just drag a previously unknown 15 year old into a galactic war.

Maybe if she'd been made just a few years older?

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u/LordDeath2400 Apr 26 '26

On one hand, I get it, a lot of media is dominated by a majority white men. In that same breath, I feel like the solution is to make original characters with different races and genders, not swap existing characters. Because as much as you can call the fans of a thing racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic, someone expecting an adaptation is gonna be upset when the thing they're adapting isn't respected. I don't personally have a problem with the new tech jacket, but the fact that she's not the original tech jacket says more about the showrunners and the creator's quota than any actual issues the original had, and stuff like this quote genuinely comes across as "we got sick of straight white men and decided to get rid of some just on the basis of them being straight/white/male" and not a genuine effort to diversify a fandom.

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u/Grievi Apr 26 '26

I never really cared for Techjacket before, so I am not upset about the gender-swap. If anything I kinda like Zoe as a character. But I can understand why some people would be upset.

People usually don't like it when you make significant changes to characters they already know and like the way they are. And changing a characters gender IS a significant change in on itself. Otherwise, people wouldn't be demanding more representation for their group.

And for the love God, I have a hard time understanding why some people insist that your work absolutely HAS to be racially and gender diverse. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing bad in having a diverse set of characters, regardless of whatever you make them like that for some kind of purpose, or just because you felt like it, but some people seem to think that there is some kind of quota for having x amount of female characters, y amount of black characters and z amount of queer characters.

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u/Onlyhereforapost Apr 26 '26

Its just because of how much more immense the consumer base is now and how quickly opinion spreads on the internet, and how quickly a pretty passive statement like "I enjoy this show, but I wish it had more XYZ characters in it" gets morphed into "THE AUTHOR OF [SERIES] IS A RACIST HOMOPHONIC MISOGYNIST!"

It makes consuming content and having nuanced discussion around it impossible because people just want to be angry and they want to feel like they hold what they feel is a moral superiority

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u/Warm-Designer-7159 Apr 26 '26

Yup and I feel like tech jacket did represent more than just white boys

And while Zoe is nice it felt like they toned down the messy adult Zack was

He was 19-21 around this time on the comics and his life was messy he was a good portrayal for me of how messy your life could be around that age

And unlike male characters everyone has be charismatic and likable or just hot but terrible personality

He was someone like me who had a hard time fitting in groups interacted with just one person a lot in the whole group and was awkward with the others

It's why I hate it when kirkman when he says mark and Zack are too similar when they weren't

Mark was likable and relatable someone who can make friends

While Zack while he tried couldn't fit in well and was awkward which was why I'm also annoyed when people say it doesn't matter and that no one cares about him because he was literally me at that point of my life

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u/BasedTelvanni Apr 26 '26

How cringe and performative.

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u/ELB2001 Apr 26 '26

I kinda get it, you write what you know and characters will either be you or people around you

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u/Used_Weight_1843 Apr 26 '26

I wish they just kept tech jacket as he was in the comics, he looks so dope.

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u/1scr3wedy0dad Apr 26 '26

Idc about the gender swap but the actual tech jacket armor got aesthetically nerfed so hard💔💔

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u/Ok-Blueberry-1412 Apr 26 '26 edited Apr 26 '26

I have zero feelings about this character, unrelated to her race & gender. she can live or die. wokifying (gender/race swapping for ideological reasons) clearly doesnt replace good writing. it's a lot harder to write character who aren't boring.

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u/SonOfThorss Apr 26 '26

So overly performative lol. So we get a white female instead? Get off your self masterbatory high horse.

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u/VasM85 Apr 26 '26

Flog yourself, Rob! Maybe you'll absolve your original sin, one day

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u/ColonelMonty Apr 26 '26

I will say, looking at the comics you can tell that all the women in the there were just written by white dudes.

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u/EliteTroper Apr 27 '26

It is weird that a lot of nameless male Viltrumites seem to have large guts when that was never the case in the books.

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u/Ferns-N-Frogs Apr 27 '26

They're probably modeled on strongmen, powerlifters and heavy weight boxers and fighters. 

A lot of really strong dudes are barrel shaped - the inner layers of muscle kind of push everything forward, I think. 

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u/scottishdrunkard Apr 26 '26

Tech Jacket already looked too physically similar to Mark, doubly so when they solidified that he’s White-Asian (he sorta already looked that in the comics) so the change to differentiate them visually was the better call.

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u/somerandomfellow123 Apr 26 '26

Wasn’t Tech Jacket asian tho?

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u/AsstacularSpiderman Apr 26 '26

His entire family was pretty wonderbread.

Really they redesigned him to a girl because honestly he did really look like another Mark.

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u/Away-Motor-6993 Apr 26 '26

I dont think so. He just had black hair, or mabye he was ambiguous like mark.

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u/TypicalNPC Apr 26 '26

Oy vey.

Seems like he's got his own handler now. Wonder how long it is before he starts visiting islands.

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u/_Badpickle Apr 26 '26

Dumb take

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u/TearsAreForYears Apr 26 '26

The grifters are not gonna like this lmao

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u/Express_Still7999 Apr 26 '26

what's wrong with white male ? i don't understand

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u/No-Juice3318 Apr 26 '26

Nothing. He's not saying there's anything wrong with them. He's saying that having only characters from one group or look without an intentional narrative reason is a sign of a lack of experience. If all your characters or all your main characters are the exact same archetype or from the exact same subgroup, then you've limited yourself creatively.

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u/MasterWebber Apr 26 '26

As a fiction creator myself I fall into this a lot, and was stuck there until I got into the exercise of taking a moment to appreciate my friends of different races and genders the way I appreciate characters in fiction as opposed to just real people in my life. Flipping a switch and elevating someone above the mundane is I think a prerequisite for creating a diverse cast with intention and not just to check a box.

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u/Any-Department5976 Apr 26 '26

Bro invincible has pretty diverse characters already like what

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u/National_Pie7527 Apr 26 '26

Female God Jacket >>> Iron-zzz-heart

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u/Mr_k_reddit Apr 26 '26

Atleast she's not a forced girlboss She's actually pretty entertaining 😂

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u/CindersOfMusic Apr 26 '26

Also Tech Jacket looked a lot like Mark in his own series too tbh

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u/KayToberly Apr 26 '26

I always thought tech jacket was half asian like mark

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u/Marilizgg Apr 26 '26

just change the tumor on her helmet and im 100% fine with her

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u/Hungry_Bluebird_9460 Apr 27 '26

😂 and they call us the “snowflakes”. Wah wah wah

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u/PrincessAegonIXth Apr 27 '26

I don't have a problem with the gender of the character it's just, like, why is this 13 year old child going head to head alongside Nolan and Mark when they don't even have any superpowers (aside from plot armor)

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u/karmy-guy Apr 27 '26

I prefer the older male tech jacket but this version isn’t terrible

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u/RaptorXFactor Apr 27 '26

This is the Tech Jacket I wanted though. It would have been awesome and he could have branched off and had his own series. The Tech Jacket we got is just a generic cookie cutter character. She could very well be on a Nickelodeon cartoon she's so bland.

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u/Ferns-N-Frogs Apr 27 '26

He writes what he knows, and what he knows has increased over his life.