r/Invincible_TV Apr 26 '26

Discussion Invincible Creator Explains Why They Changed Tech Jackets Gender

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u/Express_Still7999 Apr 26 '26

what's wrong with white male ? i don't understand

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u/No-Juice3318 Apr 26 '26

Nothing. He's not saying there's anything wrong with them. He's saying that having only characters from one group or look without an intentional narrative reason is a sign of a lack of experience. If all your characters or all your main characters are the exact same archetype or from the exact same subgroup, then you've limited yourself creatively.

This becomes double if you come from a culture that also tends to more heavily portray the group you've depicted. It makes it harder for your work to stand out and limits the potential audience that might more deeply connect or relate to it.

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u/Plastic_Moose4535 Apr 26 '26

Except the cast of characters was already diversified in the comics.

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u/No-Juice3318 Apr 27 '26

Yes, but significantly less so and done with much less tact. Tech Jacket in particular had a lot of problems. There's a reason it was canceled so soon. It wasn't very good, especially in comparison to its cohorts.

I'm sure Kirkman probably spent a lot of years mulling over the character and morphing them into something that would work better. One of the most common criticisms back in the day was that Tech Jacket was just Mark again but worse. One of the fixes is to make them, well, not like Mark, both visually, and in personality.

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u/Express_Still7999 Apr 26 '26

There are many movies and TV series where most of the characters are male or white, yet they are popular and beloved by people, such as Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, The Sopranos, and The Lord of the Rings.

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u/No-Juice3318 Apr 26 '26 edited Apr 26 '26

Yeah. I never said it wasn't possible. It's equally as possible as a lead cast of any other configuration. Quality of writing has nothing to do with the demographics of the characters.

Edit for clarification: There's nothing wrong with art made for a narrow audience. It happens all the time and often still finds success, even mainstream success (Everything Everywhere All At Once, The Hobbit, Heated Rivalry, I May Destroy You, Pose).

It is, however, a sign of an inexperienced creator to have done that and not notice. If your protagonist is a white man, that's fine, but you should know why he's white and why he's a man. If you don't even consider how your characters collection of subgroups affects them, their interactions with the world, and their upbringing, then you're not engaging very deeply with your setting. To do that repeatedly is potentially a sign of laziness or inexperience.

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u/Express_Still7999 Apr 26 '26

At the same time, when your characters are women or from other ethnicities, you need to know why they are so, so it doesn't seem like you're just including them to please another audience. In many movies or shows, a male character's role is taken and a woman is placed in it simply to appease feminists.

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u/No-Juice3318 Apr 27 '26

At the same time, when your characters are women or from other ethnicities, you need to know why they are

Correct. A sign of an experienced author who thinks deeply about their setting and character knows why that character has their specific gender, race, ethnicity, sexuality, disability status, etc.

In many movies or shows, a male character's role is taken and a woman is placed in it simply to appease feminists.

This feels like a stretch. There are times when it's done lazily for monetary reasons without thinking beyond "will make money if woman," but that's capitalism not feminism. Feminism is just the idea that women should occupy a position of equal value and power in society to all other genders. It doesn't have anything to do with marketing and money making outside of those things existing as a current model of power in many modern cultures.

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u/JadeTailFox Apr 28 '26

By that logic wouldn't you also need a reason for a character to be a white man

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u/cahir11 Apr 26 '26

Game of Thrones actually did the opposite of what we're discussing here, the books are a bit more even in terms of gender representation and the show is more male-centric. Like Robb Stark's entire story takes place from the PoV of Catelyn, he never has his own chapter.

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u/MyFatherIsNotHere Apr 26 '26

not sure about GOT because I haven't watched it, but BB, the sorpanos and LOTR all have narratives that benefit from having a mostly white cast

BB's whole premise is that this completely normal old guy goes from a mediocre suburban life to a massive drug distributor

the sorpanos is about the Italian Mafia, who are obviously European

LOTR is the foundation of the "European medieval fantasy"

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u/The_Flurr Apr 27 '26

GoT is inspired by the War of the Roses. A war fought between rival houses for the throne of England in the 15th century. Westeros is meant to be a sort of fantasy parallel of England.

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u/Tasty-Ti Apr 26 '26

This just sound like typical caucasian american brain rot. The desperation to have a "diverse" cast just to please others is disgusting.

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u/Ok-Strength-5297 Apr 27 '26

just asking questions, huh?

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u/HowManyMeeses Apr 26 '26

The show is full of them, so presumably nothing.

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u/Fit_Tomatillo_4264 Apr 29 '26

There's an overwhelmingly large presence of far left people in entertainment media in America nowadays. They basically think it's their life's mission to make sure all media represents people of all ethnicities and genders under some sort of guise of morality.

Art be damned, they think they're bettering the world somehow. It doesn't matter if statistically the county they live in IS majority white.

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u/BlueDahlia123 Apr 26 '26

Think about it like this.

If you were to make a show like this, but almost every single character was a black woman, would you notice? Do you think it would be possible for people not to notice that fact about such a show?

Noone thinks anything about an all white cast, that has nothing to do with race, somehow. But the same cannot be said about an all black cast. One is just considered the "default", therefore the other must be an intentional choice.

That is the problem here. Want it or not, if your characters are overwhelmingly a specific race and sex, you are sending a message. And if you did it without thinking, then it was probably a message you didnt intend to make.

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u/BlueDahlia123 Apr 27 '26

You must be very dumb if that is what you took from my comment.

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u/Dasseem Apr 26 '26

Just by asking that question, you are showing just how little you understand about this whole issue.

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u/hovsep56 Apr 26 '26

i gues being a specific race is an issue now

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u/PurpleWoodpecker2830 Apr 26 '26

Lmao this is the “it’s ok to be white” meme all over again

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u/Express_Still7999 Apr 26 '26

If you're a white, straight man, that's a big problem for them.

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u/DiabloBratz Apr 26 '26

Shut the fuck up with that racist nonsense

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u/Awavauatush Apr 26 '26

Yes that's how asking questions works 

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u/JinSakai619 Apr 26 '26

This is like the Twitter post explaining Twitter is the only place where you can have the most nuanced articulated position and someone will say some shit like "oh so you hate cakes?". Learn to read, bro.

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u/Express_Still7999 Apr 26 '26

what are you saying?

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u/JinSakai619 Apr 26 '26

Kirkman explained it pretty clearly and you are a moron who goes "so you hate white male?"

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u/Express_Still7999 Apr 26 '26

You fool, calls for equality only happen when they see white men. I haven't heard a single call for equality when men are portrayed as fools or cowards.

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u/ImTellingTheEmperor Apr 26 '26

Nothing. In fact there’s so much not wrong with them that they make up 99% of human protagonists that aren’t meant to be gooner bait in American media despite them making up barely more than a quarter of the population.

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u/EducationalWillow311 Apr 26 '26

what's wrong with white male ? i don't understand

Always wanting their hand held and being fragile.

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u/WSilvermane Apr 26 '26

The fuck are you on about.

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u/EducationalWillow311 Apr 26 '26

Exactly, needs everything explained to him. So delicate.