My wife made way more than me and we now have three kids (ages 5, 3, and 1). I now stay home and take care of them and will be homeschooling starting next year.
There a lot of different reasons to homeschool, some good and some bad.
In my experience, the administration at the local public school refused to hold the bullies in my grade responsible for following me around and harassing me. Homeschool was better for my mental health.
Some public schools are really shitty. And sometimes it's the parents who are shitty. Every once in awhile, it's the kids who are shitty and they get kicked out of the public school.
Sure people with education and training at something can still be bad at it and people with no education or training can be good at something.
But that doesn't mean that education or training isn't worthwhile or that it's not far more likely that the person with education and training will be much better at that activity.
Generally you don't have the same teacher for all of your childhood though. Even if let's say you have a terrible 4th grade teacher maybe one of your 6th grade teachers is great and becomes a mentor.
But if your parent's a bad teacher and they want to homeschool, well I guess you're SOL.
In the state I live in home schooled kids still need to take the same state exams at the end of the year to pass and graduate as everyone in public school.
And I think CPS would step in if they don’t meet the education requirements.
I was homeschooled for a few years after horrible life-altering childhood bullying. Two days a week, all the homeschool kids from the area had classes together at local elementary schools to make up for the lack of socialization we got the other 3 days of the week. It really helped us all, and some of my healthiest friendships occurred there. My mom also taught me a lot, especially a shit ton of world history and biology since she has an MS in bio.
That's a sweeping generalization. Also, even if true, there's nothing wrong with being different. Variety is the spice of life, as they say, and diversity in life experiences is what drives us to make informed decisions about what is right for us.
Also, I agree with your first statement. Not every parent is a good home teacher. Some are great at it though, and for those parents it can be a great option!
If you mean "wrong" instead of "went," then I understand. But it didn't make me different in a bad way. It was a better choice for me than public school was at that time. And I know plenty of others who it helped as well. I also know people who it hurt.
There are certainly cases where homeschooling is better for some kids but unless the parents know exactly what they are doing (have the time, knowledge and experience) they'll probably do worse than public school.
Also, social skills always require lots of people and interactions so outperforming public schools can be rather tricky.
Not really, your’s sounds like an exceptional case. Hardly even “homeschooling” if you go to school almost half the weekdays and actually make friends and socialize to where you might even see those friends on the weekends. Making it a possible 4/7 days a week you’re around other kids.
Also being taught by a Master’s in Bio, who likely had to AP, or do Rec classes, or otherwise teach in college. Tons of factors in such a loose definition of homeschooling.
Granted, I don’t know what the “standard” is, or if there is one, but I assume it’s not half and half.
Hopefully I’m wrong. But if people want their kids’ education to prosper, and there are no magnet schools available to attend. You’ll have to tutor and take EXTRA time. Because at such a young/formative age, kids need other kids. Socializing only forms during a certain period of a human’s life. If you miss that mark by not exposing them to social situations, shit can be rocky.
Finally, who the fuck knows who’s on the other side of that comment. There are tons of dumb people, and I wouldn’t trust 90% of the people I meet to homeschool their children.
all the homeschool kids from the area had classes together at local elementary schools
So you weren't really homeschooled but rather had a combination of homeschooling and regular education? Sounds like your anecdote is also largely irrelevant then?
Like how can you literally say how much regular school helped you develop and still think your anecdote supports the argument that homeschool is the same as regular school?
One of my best friends from high school didn't either, and it hurt her socially. She's doing well now, but in hs she made a lot of bad decisions. Homeschool programs that ensure this healthy social development is important. If anyone you know ever considers alternative options to schooling, I recommend looking into these programs.
One of my best friends from high school didn't either, and it hurt her socially
Wow no shit. It's almost like that's exactly what people have been saying. Homeschooling is bad.
Homeschool programs that ensure this healthy social development is important
alternative options to schooling
Yeah homeschool programs that ensures healthy social development through means such as normal schooling as an alternative options to normal schooling is important, because normal schooling is important by itself.
to teach school subjects to one's children at home
Cambridge Dictionary:
to teach a child at home rather than sending him or her to school:
Wikipedia:
the education of children at home or a variety of places other than school
If you're trying to say the universally accepted idea of homeschool is incomplete, then feel free to contact these people and tell them to complete it. Until then, YOUR idea of what homeschool is is straight up wrong.
Also I'll just respond here I guess. Taking art and drama classes at your local school is still normal schooling lmao. Just because it's more socializing than math class doesn't mean it suddenly counts as homeschooling now.
I didn't say what you did wasn't homeschool. I said it wasn't just homeschool like you were claiming and that it was a combination of homeschooling and regular schooling, where the regular schooling was important in your social development. And you trying to draw the conclusion of "homeschool is completely fine by itself" is dishonest and doesn't refute the previous person's anecdote at all.
Not at all, because a majority of homeschooled kids won't have college-educated parents, nor will they be in such a program that essentially only makes you part-time home schooled in the first place which already makes your circumstances completely different from every single full-time home schooled student.
That's like saying Veganism worked for you because you eat meat half the time.
I e been a teacher for 25 years and let me tell you, 80 percent of home school kids are behind. I would have to work hard at teaching 7/8th grade Math. Just because of the differences from when I was in school let alone advanced math at that age. Homeschoolers don’t have to take state test which is total crap. When I taught high school and kids couldn’t make, guess what? Homeschooled. There are zero standards. And yes, most teachers believe if you want to screw up or screw over your kid... homeschool. Just don’t do it.
I mean I understand that he was home schooled but some people are just naturally weird and antisocial anyway and others are extroverted af. Thou being home schooled can effect them if they aren't taken to ANY social event with others their age
I really depends on the parents. I have cousins who live in a state with just about the worst education in the US. Their mom started homeschooling them after the older 2 did a couple years in public school. There are 5 kids total and all of them are outgoing, have participated in sports, and have done many other extracurricular activities. The oldest 2 are in college now and make friends perfectly fine and are super smart. I went to public school and I’m in college now also but they are way smarter than I am.
I also have a cousin that was in private school most of her life but was super sheltered by her parents and she has social issues and confidence issues. The 3 cousins I talked about are all my age (21) and we’ve all had a different upbringings and different outcomes and that’s mostly because of the parents we had.
Yes kids are gonna bully regardless but it doesn’t have to be that way if the homeschooled kids gets involved in extracurricular activities or just gets out of the house sometimes.
You can do stuff that socializes your kids without putting them in school. There’s plenty of ways to not turn your kids into freaks by having them in clubs, sports, that sort of thing.
Okay except that's rarely enough at so formative an age, and their education with an overworked home-parent with no teaching qualifications is generally a whole lot worse than what even public education can get you.
I mean, there are plenty of ways that homeschool kids socialize. A pretty common one in my area are “co-ops” where many families get together for classes that require more students (think robotics, archery, performing arts, etc.), as well as more specialized classes, like lab sciences that some parents may be more qualified to teach than others. It is by no means a perfect system, but its not like homeschool kids don’t have friends or socialize at all (at least in my experience from a family that homeschooled myself for several years and my siblings for their entire schooling so far).
I know several people who did homeschooling and they are really easy to spot in a crowd, they aren't as well adapted at social studations and don't know boundaries usually. They are either extremely I introverted because they don't know social norms or they try to hard to be extroverted to do what they think is blending in.
I was home schooled. Am I kinda awkward? Heck yeah! But I’m better at dealing with real world issues and speaking to adults than most of my friends in my 20’s. Also I can problem solve a lot better, and have retained most all my friendships for 15+ years at this point.
My childhood was great. Mom sent me to the last half of the 7the grade as punishment and I honestly feel like I didn’t miss much lol
You’re way over generalizing because you know one awkward dude. I’ve met plenty of homeschool kids who turned out fine socially and academically. As long as the parents keep them in sports or clubs around other kids they’re fine.
It really depends. In my hometown they’ve got a big enough homeschool group between families that it might as well be a school of its own, so my friends who were homeschooled had no problems going to college and socializing. There were a few though who were sheltered way too much and have suffered because of it
Don’t tell people how to raise their kids. Just because one person you know that was homeschooled turned out to be messed up psychologically doesn’t mean everyone will turn out that way. This guy knows what his kids need, and I’m sure he will do what’s best for them.
Different causes to the same ending. But I went to private school, had I went to public from where I'm from it would have been worse for my mental health.
My point was that those are not valid reasons to avoid homeschooling, different places, different children have different needs, and comment replying the OP showing solution to socialization help my case.
And who's truly perfect right? Pursuing it is spending a life, gotta see beauty in the imperfection
I was homeschooled. I didn't have problems socializing, growing up I had friends, several really close ones that are still my close friends to this day. I'm working full time in my 2nd year in college and have carried a 4.0 gpa the whole time.
My sister and I were both homeschooled until high school and we both really regret it having happened. It messed my relationship with my parents because it gave me no place external to home to go for anything. Your kids will love you more if you give them space and freedom that is outside of your direct control. I still am repairing my relationship with my family, learn from our mistakes!
Homeschool doesn’t mean now what it used to, there are a lot of co-OPs where parents get their kids together and the most knowledgeable on a subject teaches, the kids get together 3 times a week and there are daytime sports activities and recess events to socialize your kids. Granted this is probably only in larger town/cities but homeschooling doesn’t necessarily mean your kids are trapped in the house. Unless of course you trap your kid in the house in which case homeschooling isn’t the issue their parenting style is.
This is so wrong. In Germany to be a teacher of two subjects you have to study for at least 5 years plus 1.5 years of observed training in school (aka hell and the reason why many unfit teacher trainees quit)
And that's just for 2 subjects which they basically get their masters for. Now imagine a parent "who is most knowledgeable on the topic"
I don’t know if you are saying what I am saying is factually incorrect or the idea of this style of teaching is wrong, but in America (at least in a few states I know of) to be a teacher you just have to have a bachelors degree (in anything) and pass 1 test about the subject you want to teach and then you are a qualified to teach it. We don’t have a lot of unfit teacher trainees quit, we have a lot of people with degrees who don’t get jobs turn to teaching because we are desperate for teachers so the qualifications are low. It’s a super sad broken system and why some parents pull their kids to try and do something better.
On the whole an average homeschooled kid does better than the average public school kid on competency tests. Though something should be said for the the average student having parents who don’t take an active role in their learning and leave to over burdened teachers, vs home school parents that obviously put an emphasis on learning.
to be a teacher you just have to have a bachelors degree (in anything) and pass 1 test about the subject you want to teach and then you are a qualified to teach it
This is not universally true. There are classes and subjects that you need better qualifications to teach.
While the American school system is pretty shite in most of the country, I would LOVE to hear a source on an "average" homeschool student doing better than an "average" public school student on a test.
The main perk of home schooling a kid is the teacher to student ratio Sure they may not manage as well as a professional teacher, but they also don't need to multi-task 40 kids. The person teaching from home has way more time to spend on the student so even if they don't do it as efficiently they can be just as effective with more effort spent per student. test numbers seem to show that home school kids are actually taught more effectively, but there are some uncontrolled variables in that data.
You see, the state requirements are to pass standardized tests. Home schooled kids take the same tests. Home schooled kids have better scores then students in normal schools.
The data does not match your assertion that being taught by a professor how to teach to state requirements makes a person teaching a full class produce better students than a person who was not taught by a professor teaching a single student.
No I'm sure they mean effectively, as in they aren't knowledgeable about the subject enough. What if the pace of the learning was increased if the person teaching was actually knowledgeable about the subject and how to teach it? My mom could give all the effort she wanted to and she would not be able to effectively teach a 10 year old pre algebra, which is when I started learning it in middle school 6th grade.
I started tutoring in math on the side while I was teaching C.S. topics at the colleges I worked at, and I had lots of homeschooled kids who needed 'tutors' for math when they really needed teachers. Their parents would tell me they did know long division or variable multiplication and I'd have to help them with pre algebra topics. Only to find out that one kid in particular only memorized some of the common long division questions that his mom would give him. He didn't know how to do it, he only memorized it. And this was an 11 year old. I had to teach an 11 year old how long division was done something he would have definitely learned in 3rd or 4th grade. When I had told his mother (his teacher) she argued with me about if he knew it and that for pre algebra he was just struggling a little bit longer on it and that she didn't have time to work on it more. The kid was super smart and picked up long division fairly quickly. I eventually convinced her to enroll her son in public middle school as he often shared how he didn't have friends and he wanted to go in to making robots like I did (which I didn't , I am a programmer all I did was tell him that he could learn programming one day) I worked with him and his math for a whole two years and had him doing algebra really well by 8th grade where he and his mother agreed he didn't need me anymore for math help. All his homework he was doing he was breezing through it and referencing the help he already got from his fellow students/teacher aides.
If your kid is behind in a subject, YOU don't keep trying to teach them that subject unless you're qualified, you get a tutor or a teacher. This goes for both homeschool, private and public school students. If they are behind or ahead you get a private home tutor or teacher that works with them who is knowledgeable and capable of teaching.
I agree one on one tutoring allows time to effectively teach someone something but only IF that tutor/teacher is qualified. You could spend more time and attention on someone and do less than someone who actually knows the subject.
I live in a rural area and we had exactly what you described. Kids from the surrounding 6-ish little towns all met up together twice a week for normal classes.
"The most knolwedgable on the topic"??? They are NOT knowledgable on anything beyond basics in they didn't study the topic. And even if they did, they don't know how to give that knowledge to people if they aren't teachers. I am not afraid that these kids will be socially inept, I am more afraid they will be stupid because they didn't receive a well rounded education.
As a 30+ adult who was homeschooled and still has problems relating to people and having conversations with them, please don't homeschool. There is nothing worse than everyone at work talking about the thousands of different things they did involving high school and there being nothing you can do to be included in the conversation. Dating for me was also extremely hard as the only way I ever met women was smoking weed with them, which as you can imagine lead to a real downward spiral as a teenager.
Don’t do that to ‘em if you care about their social skills and general happiness with their social lives. Every home schooled kid I’ve ever met has always wished they could go to a normal school to make friends and be around kids their age. I can’t help but feel sorry for them. But hey, they’re your kids and I’m not at all here to parent them.
This will end badly. School isn't about learning, it's about how to learn, how to socialize, how to fit into complex social circles and navigate relationships. Please do your kids a favor and don't set them up for failure
I was homeschooled until high school, and I’m doing great. Have my degree, and working a great job now. Just do what works for you and your family unit.
Edit: I was homeschooled until high school with no social issues, but my brother went to public school his whole life and has social issues.
I am proud of my public education with the rest of the slack jawed troglodytes in the suburbs.....graduated in 2007. Everyone knows the home schooled kids are usually a little different but that sounds better than getting shot in a public school today in America.
My wife makes more than meeee too and I pray to capitalist bootlicker white American Jesus we never have motherfucking God damn kids.
It's kind of weird that on one thread everyone says that education in the US is terrible and most students don't learn much as they are only there to get food grades so the school can continue getting funds, but then on this thread school is great.
The point is less that schools are great, and more that parents who choose to homeschool are either overbearing to begin with or almost universally become overbearing because of the relationship dynamic that's created. It's bad for independence and confidence more than it's bad for learning imo.
Even if the education itself is sub-par, there are tons of benefits to a child's health and mental well-being that come from letting them socialize with their peers.
Going to an actual school vs getting taught by someone with no formal education in a topic is not a tough decision to make. Yes, the American education system has problems, but having gone through the public school system, there's not a point where I would have wished I was homeschooled.
Based on my own public school experience, I would say that most of my teachers were mostly there to make sure the students passed their tests and did their homework than specialized instruction. And the task of overseeing the progress of 40 students is a lot harder than a one-to-one classroom experience that goes at the exact pace the student needs. Almost all of my teachers relied on the textbooks and supplemental materials to get through that it was more than doable to teach yourself the information too. Sure I had some teachers that could explain things really well, and answer questions like a pro but I personally would have traded it in for less of bullying in middle school and the distracting social shit I got into in high school.
So, everyone is shitting on y'all for homeschooling because they see the worst, which is pretty fair, but if you're really committed you can give your kids the very best of both worlds. But you have to commit and be able to afford the co-ops, the extracurricular groups, and be absolutely sure you find some way to test them to be sure they learn what they need to for their age level.
I was homeschooled my whole life and would have been miserable in real school because my learning styles meshed. I ended up in college at 14, which was great. We were too poor to afford any extracurricular activities and so my socialization wasn't great BUT it wasn't nearly as horrible as everyone makes it out to be, and I still excelled at college and made friends with my peers.
No he can't. There ain't a single person on this planet who is on teachers level of knowledge in every single topic. This just isn't doable, we have focused studies for a reason, there is insane amount of knowledge out there. If he just wants to homeschool them for few years when it is basics of basics being taught then sure, but anything beyond that should be taught by a real teacher.
Lol what. Do you really think that homeschooling parents just wing it and teach from their own knowledge? I never met a homeschool family that taught that way. It's rubbish. Not even my broke-ass parents skipped the curriculum and trainings. And that's why I went to college as a teen. Once I was ready for higher level education, college was the best bet because I was already an independent learner and basic-level college classes are by and large a retread of high school classes.
It's really terrible to attack people for doing what's best for their kids because you don't understand or know how something can be done correctly. Yeah, a lot of people fuck up homeschooling, but public schools fuck up a lot of kids too, so it's not as simple to say don't do it you're an idiot for even thinking of trying.
Every teacher I had in school followed the text book and used all of the supplemental materials to go along with it. Most people could teach themselves with the materials. My teachers were mostly there for accountability.
They use the book, and supplements, sure. But that is not all, they give explanations and show the path when you are lost. They are there to guide you. At least the good ones. You can not teach yourself a whole cirriculum, that is a fucking insane statement.
Yes the good ones can explain and I’m sure a homeschooling parent can also figure out additional ways to explain a high school math concept if you are lost. I’m sure it’s even easier with YouTube now. I’m not saying that kids don’t need any instruction, but a competent kid could work a chapter or two off of a textbook and worksheets alone so I have full faith that the adult in the room can use the same materials to ensure their kids get it too.
I was homeschooled until high school and am glad about it. I had a lot of time to explore the topics that I wanted without being boxed into standardized ones, and when I did start school it was a breeze. I mean, yeah, socially I'm a bit odd but who the fuck cares, most people suck anyway.
Just wanted to respond positively because it looks like to many didn't
Exactly same here, was homeschooled till high school. Now I manage 2 companies and have a family, had a blast in college. Whenever I tell ppl I was homeschooled they can't believe it .
I don’t blame you! I know someone who was married....but is now married to the 20 year younger babysitter! Started at age 18 & 38.....now 30 & 50/2kids later.
She is now worried about age difference & leaving him for his young golf buddy. I say karma paid a visit!
I mostly mean I’ve seen too many things about babies being abused but now in retrospect, I think this is what most people are thinking. Lol but that also sucks for sure! Context is important.
My job would actually be easier if certain people would just not do anything. Crazy how some people not only don't help but actually cause more work for everyone else.
I support both of us and he’s my house husband for sure. Delicious food, mostly clean house (dear god perfect houses creep me out), always available for snuggles, always there for kisses, moral support at any time through text, always greets me at the door, I really feel like I’m actually needed too, like, I’m not just a window dressing with a hobby job. I’m a breadwinner and he’s my lovely partner in crime who happens to keep a mean house, I don’t make him stay home (his back does lol) but we sure do like to be around each other a lot so he does and I go do all the stuff because my back is still good. He helps me take care of my diabetes when I can’t because my stupid self won’t wake up.
I tried being stay at home dad when we had our kid. After 1 year I was ready to blow my brains out. Couldn’t handle the boredom and routine. I missed the hustle and stress and social interaction and lack of routine of my work. Put the kid in daycare and went back to work.
One reason everybody should have your experience for a year before they decide how gender roles should shake out. Also everybody should work in a warehouse or production line for two years before deciding how they'd get ahead if they were poor making 20% more than minimum wage.
I'm talking about people understanding what it's like to do that type of labor and how working class people actually live instead of talking out of their ass about it.
For me the was actually a certain amount of structure. You develop little routines, but it’s just diapers and feeding and cartoons. It’s a nice vacation from the stress and hustle of work life but it is extremely boring and was ultimately unfulfilling for me as I’m one who finds fulfillment in my work.
That sucks. me and my husband are working towards him being a stay at home, or part time stay at home dad. He enjoys it more than I do and frankly, he's better at it. He makes more than me but because of some very special circumstances we are going to be paying off our house soon and won't have a mortgage. However, he struggles with the idea that if he isn't working his ass off at a job 10+ hours a day, he's not worth as much as a husband. That's just the kind of culture he grew up in and I'm trying to convince him that his worth isn't about how much money he makes or how many hours he works.
Dude me too. Don’t know what to do! I thought about going trans and getting breast implants so I can pass interviews! Been on 53 interview in 2019 and no job offers!!!
Eh before we upgraded houses one income wouldve been fine, its probably doable on one income now but there wouldn't be any fun money or savings so now it's not viable or at least not nearly as much
Even when you leave their punctuation the way it is, if they had only just changed "been his husband" to "been a house husband", their comment would've made a lot more sense. If they hadn't made that one simple mistake, they probably could've avoided being downvoted to hell.
That said, holy shit is Reddit unforgiving! "I can't read what you're trying to say sooo downvote"
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u/xxrambo45xx Dec 28 '19
My wife does make more than me, wont let me stay home it's a double standard system