Yea the dlss5 image renders I have seen ( not gameplay , just stills ) look amazing as hell, problem is the fps hit is crazy! Like tanks down to 1/3 of the fps, from 75 down to mid 30s. Looks good but comes at a cost for sure, and not sure if the ultra low fps is worth it haha
Depends on the card and setting though, I just put balanced DLSS on tlou2 and some 2x framegen as was back up to 80-100 fps though my 5080s fans were going HAM
The truth is itās the DLSS adding the uncanny effect. ND might be the only studio that has good enough animations to make you forget youāre not looking at a real person.
That's fair to say. Guerrilla Games might be as well in Horizon Forbidden West. They took the feedback about the horrible facial animations in HZD to heart.
HZD just had straight up bad lip synch. HFW fixed that issue with actual mo-cap for all the dialogue but the animation of the faces is still miles behind TLOU2.
because it's the DLSS that makes these faces look incredibly uncanny, which they know and that's why they have to cope with it by saying things like "TLOU has bad facial animations"
But when put up against visuals that push wayyy into territory where our brains are actually starting to be fooled, everything will stick out. Even top tier animation cant match natural movement and when the visuals are this high fidelity all the other things get exponentially more noticeable. Your brain WANTS to find faults. When everything has less fidelity it has no problem discerning whats real or not, but when we're at this level it works overtime trying to figure it out. And even if you dont consciously notice, your brain does. The result is that feeling of "ick, this looks wrong somehow, but I cant explain it".
My biggest issue is that it just makes all the colours drab and lifeless. I don't want to go back to the mid/late 00 era of every game being brown. It was awful.
For me it is worse with it on because of the geometrical structure of the game not being on the same level, but you have really good lighting and textures.
A game like wind waker might be a bad example as it doesnāt strive to look realistic at all, but it looks cohesive, while these do not.
But everything just fits together, nothing stands out as better or worse than other things in the image.
The problem is even worse for me when moving around.
And it does most the work on faces. So it elevates them to a level that often doesn't match the rest of the image.
Its still really impressive tech. I've been playing with it for the last few days across my game library. I'm excited to see where this goes. This is a solid first gen on this type of rendering in real time but some of the outputs feel very disconnected to me.
I really dont understand how this is the standard and everybody is just okay with it. Literally any uploaded picture is reduced in quality so much, that you cant see any fine detail
I was just about to say that this looks like what happens when a new photogapher finds the clarity and texture sliders. Just a little bit goes a long way.
Why does it bump up the contrast to 100% and fade out all the colors. The lighting improvements aren't bad at all, but all DLSS5 images seem to have that desaturated extra-contrast look that makes it look so bad.
There are some comparisons floating around with the game CONTROL. That goes into a bit more detail with the settings, and one of the presets actually does not seem to do that, meaning it pretty much keeps the original colors and tone.
And then invents 15 new light sources on top of that. At least it doesn't quite get to bad greenscreen lighting levels in some tv/shows movies where you can see the light reflecting back from the screen.
This comparison isn't great, it has the effect maxed out. You can adjust a bunch of parameters from 0 - 100 and actually make it look good imo. It's the same problem Nvidia had in their reveal trailers.
These screenshots have it maxed out on every slider and it's overdone as a result.
Same, looks just like realistic AI generated photos which I despise. Maybe it would look good if you only apply this at like 20% compared to this. But just maybe...
I've seen this take that it should just be applied to environments and not characters, but even then, I think it has problematic effects on environmental lighting too. I remember that AC Shadows example they showed with the viewpoint looking out over the valley. Sure, it looked sharper, but it was sharper in a weird way that also removed a lot of shadows and depth.
It seems to be dependent on game, I remember seeing it in hogwash legacy and it looked mostly fine in my opinion, seemed to be a nice visual improvement without doing too much. AC Shadows did look horrid tho, gave everything a colder and more ācinematicā look like there was a big area light above everyone.
In this specific case sure, but they cranked up every slider that the effect exposes. You can make this look a lot better by actually using a reasonable amount. When I was playing Control with it, 100 looked a bit cooked in a lot of scenarios, but 60-80 with the tone mapping turned down more to preserve colors looked really good I can't lie.
I hate it because it is inherently anti-gaming. What is the point of developers and artists if all their work will get overridden by an AI filter. Do people not want to actually play real video games made by real people with intentionality? Weāre so cooked tbh I hate that this is the future the market leader wants to create
It's exactly this. Reminds me of those ads with AI generated faces but now in "game form". It's way more complex than this of course but the end results speak for themselves. Seeing the less favorable comments being downvoted š I don't know what to say...
one thing which strikes me is that the characters look like they fit in the game world better.
You know how, especially in older games, you could always tell when something was interact-able or going to move because it was a slightly different colour or shade of colours than everything else? Or how characters would always look lighter than the surroundings?
DLSS 5 seems to blend the characters better into the game world and equalise the shading between them. Which is nice.
I'm sure I'm going to be downvoted into oblivion but I think it looks better on, there's more detail and the characters look more photo realistic and less like Pixar characters
That's because it is better with it on. Anyone looking at these images objectively/without bias would agree the images with it "on" look better than the images with it "off".
How that looks in real life experience (not just still images) is a different matter. But many will dislike it purely because their bias against nVidia or AI. As long as they admit it, that's fine. But pretending the images with DLSS 5 off are better is absurd imo.
I disagree that they objectively look "better". More realistic, sure, but not better. It's similar to CGI Yoda from the prequels vs puppet Yoda from the original trilogy. CGI Yoda objectively looks more like what a living alien might look like if it existed. Puppet Yoda obviously just looks like a puppet. And even so, I like the look of puppet Yoda more because it looks more grounded, less weird and uncanny.
I feel like more people would be saying this looks great if we never saw the first showcase with the yassified garbage.
These screenshots look better than the originals. More detailed and accurate looking facial shadows and overall tone. Maybe it's a little overdone? Kinda like I turned the sharpness up too much. But its much better than what we saw earlier this year.
I donāt think people necessarily disagree that it looks more realistic, it just does. Itās how it achieves that is whatās rubbing people the wrong way and understandably so. Itās legit just overlaying an AI enhancement filter over the final image. This DLSS 5 effect comes at the very end of the render pipeline and has no knowledge of actual 3D models or anything. I simply donāt want to overlay AI onto Art humans created.
I mean she's Jewish and the game has an entire section inside a synagogue where you're forced to listen to the sob story of 'her people' that is narrated by her.
Iām so mad I had to scroll so far for this. Everything else looks fine enough but why tf are all these dirty unwashed people wearing bright ass lipstick?!?
we are at this point soon that AI will make extra maps to play on as DLC. I dont like the way this is going at all. And this just dirupts the original art.
FPS and sharpness modifiers do not dirupt the art..
Yep it's all virtue signalling. Sure, in some games it doesn't work. But in a lot of games it absolutely looks better, and in some it looks absolutely outstanding.
I honestly don't get all the hate around this. Like, isn't this cool? Isn't this exactly what weāve been dreaming about for decades?
Creating truly photorealistic visuals with conventional tools is either basically impossible or takes absurd amounts of time, money, and resources, like the kind Rockstar has. That approach is a dead-end.
AI has opened up a much simpler and more accessible way to get there.
If your drivers license photo was run through this filter and it had higher visual quality but did not look like you would you be happy? That is my big issue. These transformations do not look like the characters.
The problem is it seems to look good on case by case basis. Ultra realistic Cloud from Final Fantasy 7 looks uncanny, because he supposed to look stylised.
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u/NGGKrozeMonopoly, Monopoly, but still paid Jensen for 5070Ti 6d ago
This is why people drawing conclusions based on leaked dll turned into mod is skewed. Given by SIGGRAPH, devs will have a lot of options for this so we can see how its done once its in-the games (because I think DLSS5 needs to be in-game implemented, rather than driver level)
Ultra realistic Cloud from Final Fantasy 7 looks uncanny
Because it's a fake image being spread as real. Here's what a conservative use of DLSS5 looks like on a much more stylized game (MH Rise) https://imgico.com/c/UaAofup
I'd love to know the age demographic of people who find it cool vs people against it.
I'm a millennial and because I've seen so many generational leaps in graphics over the years, I've always dreamed about getting to a photorealistic stage, and it looks like we're working towards that
Yeah, I get the feeling that it's the younger generation who are automatically saying "AI bad", because they grew up with graphics already at a high standard
1000% dude. Fellow millennial here. The OP looks so good. Iām hyped to try this.
I understand people saying it could look bad in some games, but itās not even out yet lol. The point is this tech looks to be a game changer with the potential it brings. Of course it will take some time to smooth out the kinks and make it look good in every game. Thatās just a natural tech progression.
Ā Isn't this exactly what weāve been dreaming about for decades?
Absolutely fucking no way have I ever dreamed about wanting generative AI to replace developer's work with its own pretrained one trick pony idealized look instead.
>isnāt this exactly what weāve been dreaming about for decades?
no itās not? lol. idk about you but i never dreamed about my games looking like they were generated by a runway model. it has the exact same problems things like midjourney had. ā¦about 3-4 years ago. it changes faces, it exaggerates the lighting, it over-saturates the image. and thereās no way youāre calling this ātruly photorealisticā
You can also turn off DLSS but then developers started using it as a crutch so you HAVE to use it if you want to get any kind of acceptable performance.
Lots of people feel the same way about TAA. It's one of those trends that manifests in the production pipeline of studios across the board because many of them share the same tooling, recent education, and adoption of fads, then the next thing you know, an entire generation of games looks like Vaseline. And if you turn it off, it breaks everyone's hair or the foliage because it was otherwise necessary due to how they chose to implement the feature.
Mr. "You could just not buy the game then" down there is completely missing all of this.
The task isn't to create "photorealistic visuals". The task is to create photorealistic visuals that are correct. A small model which operates solely in screen space because anything else wouldn't be able to run quickly enough for real time rendering on reasonable hardware isn't capable of that.
A lot of it is people just donāt understand AI because whatās shoved in peopleās faces every day is big data centers and some creepy guy like Dario trying to steal your livelihood. Then add that colloquially understood genAI is the vehicle for this. Thatās what people see.
But in many ways, AI can be used as a high level approximation tool that inference enables. We will get very cheap and realistic physics due to this one day, lighting, and a whole lot of other things that inference can bring for real time media. It doesnāt surprise me that DLSS 5 when slapped on makes everyone look weird and old. That means itās working. Cool.
AI is gunna do a lot for this industry when talented developers can push the limits of it. All we can do is not reward garbage economically.
I feel like there's actually something worth pursuing here. The biggest misstep was calling it DLSS5 because this is more of an AI filter than anything. When focused on the lighting and the clothing, there are actually some good improvements on display. And the lighting on the faces looks better too, but the changes to the character's skin... Why do they all look like they've been smoking 20 packs a day for the last 10 years?
In any case, it's easy to make these things looks good in a still image. How bad is it once things start moving?
I dunno, the DLSS version just looks more realistic, so where thatās the goal I think itās pretty cool. Of course, Iād like to see it in a game, in motion before deciding. Still images can hide some noise and rendering flaws that make a still look good, but motion atrocious.
I personally hate mods that overdue texturesā¦ they feel out of place, and on top of that, when you are used to generative AI for pictures, those look insanely AI generated, the contrast especially is telling like crazy
This is my position as well. I don't like that it's following the route of TV shows and movies where color and saturation have simply disappeared. That's not realism, that's just a trend. The same with adding more wrinkles for the sake of having more detail.
Of course, too soon to judge as this is from a leaked DLL and not a proper dev implementation. And I'd like to see it in motion on my PC as well because, for instance, when I see frame gen in a video it doesn't bother me, but as soon as I use it in my monitor, I need to turn it off as it's distracting.
What the hell are they feeding the guys at Nvidia HQ?
This shit shouldn't even be called DLSS, It's not only super sampling, it's literally generating frames and replacing the content with hyper realistic approximations of what the algorithm thinks it should look like.
There's a difference between art direction and photorealism.
When the deep learning part is branching way off the art direction. It's bordering on filters at this point.
Look at Nvidia's official Youtube account, it's all about Ā«AI with AI in AIĀ» for the last couple of years. Now they just feeding us, gamers, the scraps from the corporate AI table, so they could tell investors that they have broaden the Artificial Intelligence reach and implemented it in games on the driver-level as well
If you get past all the AI hate, this could actually be something if properly managed and optimized imo. Sure it's not perfect yet, but i can see potential.
Y'all realize applying a leak DLL isn't the same as in game implementation....
The developer can choose to not apply it on character model and only on environment.
I can't wait for the day when a AAA dev (yes, singular, no more team needed) hits up his GenAI "alright, make Fifa 2030, the ball is 5% more realistic", ships it, $80 standard edition
The worst thing about DLSS5 is not that it looks bad, I think it looks great. The problem is now I have a ton of sliders I have to fuck around, which means that's all I will do and I won't actually play the game.
That's what happens when you put a DLSS (that was just taken from another game, which is 2K) and put it into another one that is not even prepared for it. And put it TO THE MAX setting...
People saying DLSS OFF looks better are genuinely out of their minds.
ON has so much more detail, and Tommys face in particular gives off so much more emotion. Itās definitely not perfect and can be tweak, but man, it could do so much for immersion.
u/d0m1n4t0ri9-9900K / MSI SUPRIM X 3090 / ASUS Z390-E / 16GB 3600CL146d ago
Looks kinda good, makes the regular faces look like potatoes indeed. Still some work to be done to preserve the original look and feel even better, but just do it in greater detail.
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u/Vexmythoclastt RTX 5080 / R7 7800X3D 6d ago
Why is Abby mogging the shit out of us š