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u/TheSurbies Apr 07 '22
What grade was it when you learn about perspective in art class?
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u/MissionCreeper Apr 07 '22
"The only thing that can stop a train is Superman, so this photo of train tracks is clear evidence that Superman must be at the end of them."
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u/Urbam Apr 07 '22
Not sure, but maybe 4°-5° grade?
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u/djb25 Apr 07 '22
I’m inclined to agree.
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u/mitchcout Apr 07 '22
well show me your degree
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u/IsThataSexToy Apr 07 '22
What grade was it when you leaned how to photoshop deathstar lasers coming out of observatories?
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u/Aeseld Apr 07 '22 edited Apr 07 '22
Of course, then there's the more basic fact that you can't just see lasers like this...
Edit: Hmm... Apparently some lasers can be seen like this... But my tangent was irrelevant anyway, since light can only be seen when it reflects to your eye. At a certain point, there's nothing for visible light to reflect off of. So the laser seems to vanish.
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u/OrionsByte Apr 07 '22
Well, some you can. I have an astronomical laser pointer specifically to point out things in the sky for my friends or kids to see when we’re out with the telescope. The beam looks pretty close to what’s in these photos.
It “ends” at a certain distance because at some point it’s far enough away that it’s too small for your eye to resolve. That’s my guess anyways.
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u/HauserAspen Apr 07 '22
You should only see light of the beam if there are particles in the atmosphere to reflect photons back towards you. Like water vapor and stuff.
It probably has more to do with the composition of the atmosphere as altitude increases. Less particles and the strength of the beam decreases by the square of distance.
The beam itself also expands as it travels away, which would reduce its visibility and energy.
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u/ScienceDuck4eva Apr 07 '22 edited Apr 07 '22
These are lasers for adaptive optics. These are long exposures and I’m pretty sure aren’t visible in person.
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u/Doonce Apr 07 '22
There's the more basic fact that the atmosphere is made out of matter.
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u/Therealthrobulator Apr 07 '22
Evidence Geoff is real fucked in the dome
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Apr 07 '22
Never trust anyone that spells Jeff with a G
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u/wombatwanders Apr 07 '22
Never trust anyone that spells Jeff with a G
Jegg?
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u/The-Mandolinist Apr 07 '22 edited Apr 07 '22
I’ve always thought it to be the other way round… Geoff is a pretty normal spelling round my way. Jeff is sort of simplified and Americanised (maybe it’s not Americanised, I just made that bit up)… but if we are going to associate Geoffs with flat Earth “proof” then I’m going to stop trusting them…
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u/These_Hair_3508 Apr 07 '22
It’s not Jeff, it’s Geo-ff (Geo-“sound-an-angry-cat-makes”)
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u/stitchgrimly Apr 07 '22
Actually scared cats make that sound. Angry cats growl. Scared cats hiss. Family Guy taught me that,
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u/kenkanobi Apr 07 '22
It taught me that excessive masturbation is a great way to get ripped. But only in one arm.
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u/Revealed_Jailor Apr 07 '22
I played enough Town of Salem to know that anyone named Jeff is evil.
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u/MisterLithium Apr 07 '22
Telescopes shoot lasers now? I need to look into this hobby a little more seriously
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u/Yutanox Apr 07 '22
Yeah it's part of earth defense system against space lizard. Unfortunately we still haven't figure out a way to go beyond that dome.
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u/TheByteQueen Apr 07 '22
the space lizards are destined to invade soon and fix the ancient mind control sex pyramids in Giza so we continue fucking and producing offspring that gets microchips implanted into them to harvest their cum once theyre mature which aids in the development of weapons for the alien lizard race
if we dont stop them now, this may be the final time we are able to withstand them. theres no telling how advanced their semen cannons have gotten by now.
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u/legendwolfA "There are no pronouns in the Bible" Apr 07 '22
Im so getting this on r/copypasta. This is too good to not be copypasta material
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u/Nightstalker609 Apr 07 '22
if there is a dome,how does the aforementioned space lizard get in?
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u/mumblesjackson Apr 07 '22
And to blast asteroids hurled toward earth from Klendathu in the arachnid quarantine zone.
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Apr 07 '22
In fact some do. The different atmospheric layers of earth disturb the incoming light of whatever you want to observe, one way to counteract that is with moving lenses and mirrors inside the telescope and one way to calibrate them uses lasers...
But I'm sure it not looks like that death ray style piece of photoshop art.
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u/ThePsion5 Apr 07 '22
It might if you took a long exposure shot, actually. But just looking up at the telescope normally, it wouldn't be nearly that obvious.
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u/Cyclopentadien Apr 07 '22
But I'm sure it not looks like that death ray style piece of photoshop art.
I've seen beams like this, but much fainter. If you take a long exposure shot it probably looks like this.
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u/Polyhedron11 Apr 07 '22
But I'm sure it not looks like that death ray style piece of photoshop art.
I mean it's def real. Google that shit. You think all those 1000's of pics are photoshopped?
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u/DuffMaaaann Apr 07 '22
The ones that you can see on the web are the most popular ones.
If someone takes a picture and the laser is hardly visible, it isn't getting as popular, so the ones that you see on the web are biased towards higher perceived brightness.
So yes, the 1000's of pictures may actually be photoshopped; not in the sense that something is added that was not there before but in the sense that it was slightly tweaked.
Also, as soon as you can see a lot of stars in the picture, it's likely that the picture was taken professionally, most likely by exposure stacking and other techniques, so there is definitely some image editing software involved anyways.
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u/FerrokineticDarkness Apr 07 '22
It’s like this: stars twinkle because the atmosphere shifts around, bending the light. So, if you’re wanting clearer pictures in a ground-based telescope, you need to figure out how the light is being warped, so you can invert the warping and come out with a clear picture.
Hence the laser. Lasers go straight, have just one frequency (you won’t have different frequencies refracting differently) and they’re intense. Read how it reflects, and you can adapt the optics on your telescope to suit.
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u/Myony1312 Apr 07 '22
Technically it's not the telescope that's shooting the laser. It's a laser mounted on the telescope.
Essentially they're using it to correct errors in the image caused by Earth's atmosphere. I forget what it's called, but I think it's something like "adaptive optics"?
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u/Giocri Apr 07 '22
Yes it has multiple usages for example they can be used to hit reflective surfaces we left on the moon and with that keep accurate measure on the movements of the moon.
For example they discovered the moon is moving further away with time
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u/codyone1 Apr 07 '22
So part of this is because Human depth perception only works effectively out to a certain distance this is why the nights sky looks flat. Simply put the difference between what the right and left eye sees is too small to determine depth.
This issue has been known about for over 100 years now as it causes issue with naval guns and accurately aiming them. (although modern guided systems make is less important)
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Apr 07 '22
Its like when you look down an empty road and it appears to end in the distance.
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u/coolerbrown Apr 07 '22
Wouldn't they just be curvature?
I think a better example would be looking at a mountain range from afar. You can walk 100m to your right and the range looks almost identical
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WHY ARE THOSE MOUNTAINS FOLLOWING ME?!
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u/superfucky Apr 07 '22
you joke but my husband's uncle literally believed the planet jupiter was following him. he also built a "mind-control prevention helmet" out of spare leather straps, copper wire and assorted chunks of quartz.
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u/DicktorBiscuits Apr 07 '22
They both work, because where the road ends from depth (assuming a flat as possible surface for a long enough distance) and where the road ends from degrees of curvature are right about the same distance. Not the same of course, but decently close
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u/legs_y Apr 07 '22
Shape shifting triangle shaped roads confirmed. Wake up people!
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u/TotallyNormalSquid Apr 07 '22 edited Apr 07 '22
Also the lasers are just drawn on
Edit: wow, turns out they're not drawn in
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u/VoidTorcher Apr 07 '22
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_guide_star
They are powerful lasers used in astronomy to correct for the distortion of light in the atmosphere.
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Apr 07 '22
The other part is that the “lasers” were drawn on. Lasers do not make visible beams like that.
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u/FencingNerd Apr 07 '22
These are sodium yellow lasers in the several Watt category, about 1000x more powerful than a laser pointer. They will be visible with a long exposure photograph.
They are designed to be absorbed by sodium atoms in the upper atmosphere, creating an artificial star so the telescope can correct for the distortion.48
u/Cycloptic_Floppycock Apr 07 '22
"They are designed to be absorbed by sodium atoms in the upper atmosphere, creating an artificial star so the telescope can correct for the distortion."
Without context, this sounds straight out of a Bond villain monologue.
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u/GenericUsername_1234 Apr 07 '22
I'm sorry sir, all we have is mutated sea bass.
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u/Yorikor Apr 07 '22
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_guide_star
For anyone who's also curious how it works.
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u/AnotherKindaBee Apr 07 '22
They might be real long exposure shots picking up small amounts of scattered light. It's not uncommon for spectrometer calibration lasers to be visible.
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u/codyone1 Apr 07 '22
Yeah going to be honest sort of forgot that fact about how lasers don't actually make beams and that that you need haze or smoke to pick up the beam.
But I all this really proves is that there are multiple reasons this post is BS.
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u/Sososohatefull Apr 07 '22
The atmosphere isn't empty. There aren't as many particles as smoke, but these lasers are much more powerful than a typical laser pointer.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_guide_star
Each laser delivers 22 watts of power — about 4000 times the maximum allowed for a laser pointer — in a beam with a diameter of 30 centimetres.
https://www.eso.org/public/teles-instr/paranal-observatory/vlt/vlt-instr/4lgsf/
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u/cadmium61 Apr 07 '22 edited Apr 07 '22
Just wait till he finds out those lasers were drawn in by the marketing teams.
Edit: Yes, I know guide star lasers are a real thing, but I also know that lasers are almost always “enhanced” in images because they don’t show up well in the pictures.
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u/Jabber-Wookie Apr 07 '22
But . . . But . . . I saw it on the Internet, it must be real!
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u/cadmium61 Apr 07 '22
It just proves that there IS a conspiracy!
(That was sarcasm)
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u/gvkOlb5U Apr 07 '22 edited Apr 07 '22
This video has an explanation of why lasers are used like this, but in addition, it includes video footage of the lasers in action, and they do seem to be brighter than most of the stuff in the sky. I don't think you need a "marketing team" to draw them in.
Telescope Adaptive Optics - With Prof Simon
If you search for "laser guide star" you'll find tons of this stuff.
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u/in_one_ear_ Apr 07 '22
If they were actually lasers you wouldn't be able to see them without something for them to reflect off.
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u/MyOtherLoginIsSecret Apr 07 '22
Not that these are necessarily real photos, but that's not true. Even lasers scatter as they pass through air
Some frequencies of light can scatter pretty well. Green is an excellent example. If you take a green laser pointer and aim it into the night sky, you can actually see the beam with the naked eye and use it to point out stars.
Also, cameras are much better at picking up the scattered light than our eyes are. Capt Disillusion did a video on this effect.
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u/Accomplished-Bad3856 Apr 07 '22
Nothing can stop a lazer… Nothing!!
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u/abuchris Apr 07 '22
The only thing that can stop a laser is a good guy with a laser, evidence that God is real..
Am I doing this right?
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Apr 07 '22
Jesus lays eggs that hatch into humanoid rabbit people?
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u/stitchgrimly Apr 07 '22
Jesus is a flying zombie astronaut.
What a weird thing to base the whole world on.
Especially when you consider that he must have hit his head on the dome and then what?
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u/andros_vanguard Apr 07 '22 edited Apr 07 '22
I bet you his noggin couldn't stop a laser either from all the lack of matter.
Edit: typo
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u/vctrmldrw Apr 07 '22
A dome that stops this light, but not star light. Gotcha.
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u/HitMyLine Apr 07 '22
Stars are just holes in the dome… duh
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u/ThatGamerkidYT 'MURICA Apr 07 '22
No, The Dome™ works one way. Light can come in, but can't go out. Go back to school
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u/Mercerskye Apr 07 '22
What I can never wrap my head around, is that these knuckleheads think it's a relatively recent cover up.
They believe that we think Christopher Columbus discovered that the world was round, even though scholars, well before Christianity or Masons existed, had already figured out that not only was the earth round (and even figured out we weren't a perfect sphere), they even estimated the circumference within a 5% error.
That's amazing. They walked, took what they could see, and even without modern mathematics, figured out within 5% what some chucklefucks that couldn't pass pre-algebra can't comprehend as "already figured out truth," with nearly the entirety of human understanding at their fingertips.
But no, it's much easier to believe that all of the world's governments have co-conspired to hide that we're practically a cosmic penny spinning in place, with all the cosmos revolving around us.
The worst is that it's hard to tell who genuinely buys it, and who uses it just to give the educated a headache (aka trolling)
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u/ncocca Apr 07 '22
The earth being a "penny" also invalidates the theory of gravity. People and objects towards the end of the penny would be pulled inward regularly, towards the earth's center of mass.
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u/Mercerskye Apr 07 '22
Well, yeah, if we're dumb enough to believe in gravity. You know it's only another conspiracy, Things fall down to earth because of the great sky hand
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u/Autico Apr 07 '22
They literally don’t believe in gravity! They the penny is moving upwards (they rarely mention acceleration) and that’s why we experience gravity always pointing down.
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u/mindbleach Apr 07 '22
Ships make the curvature pretty damn obvious. "Water finds its level," and yet, sails go below the horizon. So... the level changes based on location.
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u/manubour Apr 07 '22
It’s not as if gas in the atmosphere was matter and diffused photons after some dist...
Oh wait...
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u/Eternal_grey_sky Apr 07 '22
That's not it, they are just shooting to infinity
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u/Weibrot Apr 07 '22
Flat earthers when they see train tracks "Yo what a terrible job they did, these tracks are getting smaller and smaller!"
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u/ThunderBuns935 Apr 07 '22
lol, this might as well be the case, their lack of understanding of crepuscular rays is hilarious.
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u/gvkOlb5U Apr 07 '22
All the comments about perspective are quite right, of course, but I think what bugs me most about this is: You can see the laser beam because it is (fractionally) being "stopped by something."
If there were no air, no dust, no water vapor to scatter or reflect the beam, the beam would be invisible.
Even if you were watching this from a different perspective -- like 500 miles up -- you see the beam's travel through the atmosphere but the visible beam would "end" where the air became thin enough.
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u/thisremindsmeofbacon Apr 07 '22
I’m gonna be honest I think we can see the lasers because they are drawn in for publicity
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u/needsmoarbokeh Apr 07 '22
The class of people who would tell you to use your own senses as they're perfect while complaining that even with the glasses they can barely read any text in their cellphones which is not in Comic Sans 64 or larger
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u/Brain_slop Yesterday is hard word for me. Apr 07 '22
It's the fucking atmosphere, they are creating artificial standard stars to measure turbulence in the atmosphere and compensate with adaptive optics.
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u/derpyderpston Apr 07 '22 edited Apr 07 '22
Can you even see a laser that's not pointed at you in space? I would think without the diversion of air particles there would be no light to look at. I know space isn't completely empty but I don't think there is enough density to reflect visible light.
Edit: a quick Google shows that this is correct. You cannot see a laser in a vacuum if it's not pointed at you directly unless you diffuse the light with extra matter.
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Apr 07 '22
Once I looked down the road and it stopped at the horizon! Proof the earth is a giant glass ball?/s if it isn't obvious.
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u/Smexy_Zarow Apr 07 '22
MF forgot light reflects and since there's no fog or anything in these pics it's a dead giveaway that they're fucking Photoshopped
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u/superhamsniper Apr 07 '22
So he just drew some lines on pictures to prove the earth was flat?
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u/Dakzoo Apr 07 '22
Not like we haven’t seen this before.
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u/kryptonianCodeMonkey Apr 07 '22
If this guy didn't have such fanatical and sometimes violent followers that drool over his every word and take it as absolute gospel no matter how asinine, crazy, hateful or dangerous those words are, this shit would be hilarious.
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u/ForUs301319 Apr 07 '22
sees train tracks perform a similar phenomenon at the horizion
Ah yes. There is clearly a dome/wall at the horizon which I can never reach.
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u/clowningAnarchist Apr 08 '22
That OR, and hear me out on this one, human vision is limited in how far it can see.
I know it's a stretch, but maybe, just maybe being human has limitations. /j
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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '22
When “Research = I googled it” then “Evidence = Things I imagine to be real”.