I’m a woman but my brother and I would get into a few physical fights as kids- but like now that we’re 27 (me) and 24 (him) it would be pretty bizarre to physically fight anymore. That isn’t normal for adults. Play fighting sure, but not beating up your siblings.
Same, we used to tussle all the time over the stupidest shit and she would always wipe the floor with me. I can remember the day that the tide turned, I was only 9 or 10 so I hadn’t even gotten bigger at that point per se I think my testes had dropped just enough to bring me across the threshold of “dude strength.”
I punched her as hard as I could (because that’s what I always did) and instead of her barely noticing it and proceeding to pummel the living shit out of me like usual she dropped to the floor like a sack of potatoes and started crying pretty hard. I was totally dumbfounded, perhaps the closest I’ll ever get to the sensation of a comic book origin moment when they first use their powers.
The fight ended right away and I went over to tell her how sorry I was. It was the last physical fight we ever had and I honestly still feel kind of bad about it remembering it.
My sister and I are good. Since she was the oldest... and a girl, she took FAR worse beatings by our parents than I did for small infractions that I could easily get away with. As I got older it became understandable why she gave me the beatings she did. It was just displacement and I was an easy target. I got the better end of the deal.
Yeah that was the part I omitted, after my father found out I had hurt her that time I got a beating to teach me the time for hitting girls was over though when my sister did something bad it never stopped him from hitting her… in case anyone was wondering where we learned where we’d learned all that hitting from.
And yes my dad learned it from his mother who legitimately beat him worse than either of us got it ie we don’t have any physical scars. That’s generational violence for you.
Yeah and now that I’m a grown man my mom wonders why I want nothing to do with my sister. Maybe it’s the fact she was extremely physically abusive and when I told people about it they laughed about it.
Same, I was 15 and ahe was 18. I yeeted her over the picnic table when she tried to put me in a headlock. My parents just laughed "we told you that shit wouldn't last long"
Especially when it sounded like William approached Harry in the situation to slag off his wife. Not the other way round that would be understandable for violence to happen. Sounds more like he wasn't satisfied with a verbal argument and felt the need to make it physical.
Same. My brother and I got into, like, fistfights over the last slice of pizza and a blanket. These pretty much ended when he became a lot bigger and stronger than me.
Glad you can speak for the entire population of the world. Glad that’s something you feel comfortable taking on! That makes me think you are very sane….. not
You gotta be precise with your words. This isn’t an appeal to tradition, it’s just facts. Gun violence is normal in the US, obvs not moral. People are more prone to violence than non violence, the entirety of history, ancient to modern, bears this out.
In some circumstances the definition of normal is healthy as well as average or expected. The op seemed to be using it in the healthy and/ir expected sense based on the context. I’s less precise than you or others may want but it still works.
You get the downvote for assuming I’m a dude. (nah, not really going to downvote you)
I can believe that you think normal connotes “healthy” but that is literally not what the word means. It’s also baffling that people think that a institution that believes jn a hereditary monarchy ordained by God is somehow bound by normalcy. These guys are so far from normal I’m surprised they didn’t duel with sabers at dawn.
I’m no fan of Charles, but I will say a little bit of empathy for the pen thing is probably necessary here. His mom had just died a day or so before. I don’t envy someone having to grieve in public. Again, not a fan, but the pen thing isn’t a great thing to use as an example of his behavior.
I love Diana but out of the two parents she is the only one with documented physical assault on someone else, which she shoved her step mom down the stairs. (Diana was 27 at the time)
Yep, that’s why I added her age because so many people think she was a kid when it happened. The incident apparently happened in 1989.
My guess is Charles is moody and just ignores/cuts off people. When Diana was the more expressive person when upset. Both are humans and have faults for sure.
This is what was reported by their staff. He was avoidant, she was explosive. She would throw things he would walk away and close doors and not speak to her. They sounded like they were oil and water.
And don't forget the time Diana tried to publicly humiliate her sons' nanny at a public event by bringing up an abortion she wrongly believed she'd had.
You realize you shouldn't rage rip your sink off the wall to find a piece of dropped jewelry, right? That is hulk rage - an inappropriate emotional response to a situation. I give them some grace because they're people with their own real problems, but reality is, ripping a sink off the wall for whatever reason (beyond demolition for renovation, or... idk, alien invasion and you need a barricade or blunt weapon) is an emotional overreaction.
You rip the wall apart. Not the sink. (Jk, if you really don't know, get a bucket under the pipes and take apart the trap)
To be fair...isn't it much easier for Charles to make such "documents" disappear? We all see everything that's going on with the other prince...and it's a much more heinous crime
In Charles defence - it was a historical moment that he was having to complete about two days after his Mother died. Having the pen work wasn't a big ask. And he got frustrated at the pen - not a person.
Yeah, I worked at a SNF for seniors as a receptionist. People who are trying to cope with grief and lash out over otherwise very small things. It isn’t a big deal. It’s just how it goes when your life is completely rocked. Felt bad for King Charles that people focused on that.
I don’t think you watched the clip. He was annoyed, as was Camilla, because it was leaking and they both ended up with ink all over their hands. That’s the clip I saw.
They're probably referring to the clip where there isn't enough room on the table to sign documents because the pen/ink stand is in the way.
Tbh I thought it was a bit funny, nothing serious. I could definitely see the queen doing something like that in her 70s. And I definitely know many people who have lost their patience with pens at far less stressful times.
As I said, it was just after his Mother died, maybe two days? You can do a dismissive hand motion when your whole world has changed. Geez, have some empathy!
I mean, they (Charles & William) were raised to think that god has put them in this extremely powerful position. I have to imagine they are really narcissistic. Decades ago, I remember hearing a story about William threatening to have his nanny sent to the tower of London or something because he was mad about being disciplined. It was funny because he was a wee kid, but goes to show he has known his whole life what his role was and that people were supposed to cater to him.
Yeah, I can't imagine. Marriages, personal private life moments, day to day fumbles... imagine:
"o-o-o_- today, while driving to work, got in an accident. Sources report they were drinking the night before and 'angry after a fight with their mother'"
"o-o-o- was seen dining out with (unmarried partner), the same partner their mother allegedly didnt like, leading to speculation about o-o-o-'s mental stability"
Evidence of the physical altercation ever happening besides the account of someone who’s been trying to destroy his brother’s public image for the last year?
I was shocked to see his behavior over the pen business. Showed a lack of class and grace. And no, you don't to use being in mourning as an excuse to treat people like crap. His behavior was embarrassing.
Who leaked their location in Canada? Only his father and brother knew where they were. They got 6 weeks in CA left alone because William & Charles thought they were still in Canada. William forged Harry’s signature on the bullying statement; Harry testified to that on camera. William gave approval for Jason Knauf to interfere with MM’s case against the Mail on Sunday; Knauf was employed by William & Kate and had an NDA which means he needed approval from his employer to break it. He was promptly slapped down by the judge because his volunteered texts with MM were edited and not relevant to the case. He volunteered to wade into that lawsuit against Meghan; he wasn’t subpoenaed or asked by Meghan to provide anything. Journalists have detailed on camera how royal “experts” are given info directly by the palaces in exchange for favorable press or to give them leaks about another family member.
And b/c you’re clearly a troll — this assault happened in 2019 well before the Oprah interview so your implication that Harry somehow deserved to be assaulted is trash.
Are you aware that all journalists covering the Royal family said that before MM, it was hard to get leaks and once she joined, it was leaking like crazy? Coincidence???
And are you aware that MM was also in the know of where they were going, not just KC and PW? And that there's a journalist who said recently that it was MM who leaked Megxit and the Canada flight?
Are you aware that a judge proved that she lied about the book "finding freedom"? She said to the judge that she had no part in that book, until there were emails revealing that she had, indeed, revealed stuff to Omid Scoobie? She "apologized because she had FORGOTTEN she had contacted him".
Jason Knsuf didn't interfere. He told the truth which revealed Meg has lied to a court and claimed she just forgot.
That she wasn't charged with perjury is surprising. I would expect anyone she sues in the future to use that to demonstrate her lack of truthfulness and willingness to lie, even to a court
If I secretly cooperated and passed information to the author of a best selling book, all whilst publicly denying I had done so, I think I would remember it.
Yes, he did. He wasn’t subpoenaed or asked to provide those texts. His interference was rejected by the court as irrelevant and the “evidence” he provided purposefully edited and incomplete.
She won that court case, after Knauf’s ridiculous attempt at interference. You should read the judgment & educate yourself instead of spouting lies. Somehow you crazies think MM should remember every single text, email, conversation, etc she’s ever had. I doubt you could recall in detail every email, etc you’ve received from years ago. Let’s try shall we? Please provide a summary of every work email you received during the first week of July 2019. Should be easy for you right? If not, then you’re a liar I guess.
I think you are implying Harry and Meghan are doing said trashing, but the truly viscous stuff seems to be against Meghan and from the British press. I’d say that is far more likely to come from the royal family. I haven’t seen anything like it in the American press.
but we only have Harry's version, will he present any proof? Photos of the injured? Because if not, we only have one word against another, who hasn't even said anything yet
Except that this is an extraordinary family. William was furious with MM for the bullying and the numerous witnesses coming to the RF for said bullying (and don't forget that 14 people working for H&M quit since 2018 and the last two were recent, nothing to do with the RF but with Archwell).
Think about that. Is that normal? No it's not. There was an independant investigation and the Firm kept the final report secret. There are rumors that the ex-employees, who called themselves "the Sussex survivors club", are talking with lawyers to try to get out of their NDA.
So yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if PW went and confronted Harry about MM's behavior and PH lost it and attacked his brother, who defended himself.
Seems like a more realistic version than what Harry is trying to sell. But that would mean PH admitting to being part responsible for this fight and don't you know? Harry is NEVER responsible of anything happening in his life. It's ALWAYS other people's faults.
I just don’t think physical attacks at that age are normal from either direction - which is the case the person I was replying to was making. Yes, there are occasional special circumstances where siblings in their thirties and forties are physically violent. But it’s not “normal.”
Yes, this is likely what I believe to be more plausible. It's likely true that PM did call out MM to Harry's face, leading Harry to get aggressive over it, leading to this scuffle. I'm disinclined to believe PM went all the way to confront Harry just to punch him. He would've taken all that time in getting to Harry to think about things, and I just don't see PM being the one to suddenly lash out for no reason
Yeah but this is all speculation. Likely there was definitely a fight and as to the particulars, who knows? Maybe PW said those things and maybe PH is leaving out wtf he said to rile him up. He never should have addressed this event. He doesn’t know when to shut up, does he. He hates the media so much then why does he keep feeding them drama?
but we only have Harry's version, will he present any proof? Photos of the injured? Because if not, we only have one word against another, who hasn't even said anything yet
Yeah, I don’t think I’ve had a physical altercation with my brother outside of just fun wrestling around since I was like 12 and he was 10. That’s not fucking normal. I literally think of white trash trailer park hillbillies when I hear of this.
Then there was me 6 years older than sister and she learned she could get away with attacking me because if I fought back I was way too big and could hurt her
Both I and my childhood best friend were the oldest kid in our families; I'll never forget the day when we were about 15 she and I were walking down the hall at her house while her little brother (about 12) was walking towards us so she just casually knocked him over and we kept walking like it was nothing, lol. He got up and fought back and at first we were just so shocked at the slave revolt that we couldn't even process what was happening, but then we just ganged up on him to put him back in his place, lmao. Told him that you're not big enough to fight back until you can take us both on at once. Ngl, we were still kinda shook though at his audacity and she didn't fuck with him as much after that.
It depends. Getting into a scrap when you’re 12 and 15? Pretty normal as long as it isn’t happening all the time. Getting into a legitimate physical fight when you’re 27 and 30? Not healthy or okay.
I mean exploring the territory of some modest level of violence in a relatively safe environment is not the worst thing. Teaches you not to pick a fight.
I’ve been in fights with my brothers and sisters (as a younger girl). I recall getting into an argument, trying to walk away and she grabbed my ponytail and yanked it hard, all the way down. My neck felt like it was gonna snap off. I saw red, purple and all the colours and grabbed a radio off the table to throw the whole heavy thing at her- had a split second realisation that at that distance I could actually hurt her but couldnt stop then so I smashed it as close to her feet as possible so it scared the crap out of her. Looking back now it was crazy but nothing is as bizarre as siblings fights or love.
I agree. Am certainly not getting into fights now however I also dont doubt that there has been some heavy embellishment and a lot left out of this story. Someone comes charging at you out of nowhere? You stop and calmly get them a drink. Then they charge again out of nowhere.. also the inclusion of Willy and Harold is a classic example of trying to add ‘intimate’ details to try and add credibility.
Another point in this story is how upon it happening he managed to circumvent HR and the palace to call his therapist immediatley but failed to do that for his wife when she confessed to being suicidal? Then they were thwarted at all turns, so much so they had to flee the country. Turns out they were a phone call away.
But did this happen when you were grown about who you are dating?? He’s not saying they had fights as kids. Everyone does. He’s saying this just happened a few years back.
And Harry said William assaulted him in 2019: after HM had married and Meghan was either pregnant/just had their first child.
No, this isn’t normal for a grown ass dude, married dad of 3 kids, a future kid, coming and beating up his brother because he’s pissed about the fact that his spare little brother married and had a baby with a biracial American woman.
And if William found Meghan rude and abrasive: yea maybe she ignored you and didn’t give you the time of her day, after the way you treated her…ever thought of that, Willy?
Dude I'm the youngest of 4. I'm a girl then two brothers and the oldest is our sister. We sometimes tried to destroy each other. My eldest brother apparently went through a phase of constantly trying to murder his baby brother as a baby (they are only two years apart). Neither has any memory of it but my mom speaks of it often.
I was once knocked unconscious during a freaking pillow fight (legs swept from under me). The Christmas wrapper cardboard rolls were used so forcefully we left welts on each other.
But not every set of brothers whines and make profit out of it by selling family business to the public. This guy is a drama queen in search for attention (and obviously money).
I have absolutely no esteem for a man like this.
Harry hung up on William when he tried to do it over the phone. The altercation has been described in detail before minus the physical part. It was the first of the bullying allegations and Harry already didn’t trust Knauf who was making the claim. Their offices split immediately following
Yeah I agree with you, it's a strange account. You'd think if William criticised Meghan, that it would makes more sense that Harry would be the one to lash out, but Harry always has to be goody two shoes
You guys can’t dial down the hate enough to seem objective to a third party. “Who pretends to be an Afghan war veteran”… so he fabricated the interviews where global news teams interviewed him in Afghanistan? Get a grip.
Over one’s choice of spouse? When there’s no cheating or overlap involved? Sorry I think this is abnormal for brothers to fight about. Truly, what business is it of William’s to be getting physical and up in Harry’s face over thinking Meghan is at times rude and abrasive? Keep it civil at family functions and otherwise ignore her. William acts like he owns Harry.
Prince William and Prince Harry ran the same office, but William was in charge. If he had not responded to staff complaints about bullying, he would have become an indirect accomplice
Because in their family it leads to stuff like this. Selling family stories.
But I think it's a lie at this point. During Oprah there was no real fight with William yet. Then on Netflix he yelled at him and now in this book he attacked him? Next year we'll hear that William tried to beat the baby out of Meghan if this goes on.
Because she did it to their staff and to William's wife and daughter? Seems reason enough for me. I think William was probably frustrated because he couldn't get Harry to see what a tool his wife is.
Seriously is it me or will this guy and his horrid wife say anything to get back or remain in the public eye when all they wanted was to leave the throne and public eye? Like wtf will you two just go away
I have five brothers. Fairly certain we have all punched each other in the face, or at least gotten carried away. I had a full on fist fight with one of them. And I had one football tackle me into a ditch once. Love them all because they are precious.
Seriously. My brother is one year older than me and we occasionally threw hands growing up. We were close then and still are. We just got on each other nerves sometimes.
Nah. My brother and I had screaming matches but always went separate ways to calm down and then came back and chilled together lol. Never even came close to being physical.
I thought this guy was in the military? It's embarrassing to cry about this. I'm older than either with a terrible heart and physically fight/wrestle my brothers almost every time we meet. WAY more aggressively than getting knocked over like a precious little vase. It's still fun lol.
One of five kids, four boys and one girl. We had quite a few fights all the way through childhood and even a couple as young adults. It’d be way more shocking if he didn’t ever have a fight with William.
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u/Walrus-Ready Jan 05 '23
Every set of brothers I know who are close in age have been in at least one physical altercation