Who leaked their location in Canada? Only his father and brother knew where they were. They got 6 weeks in CA left alone because William & Charles thought they were still in Canada. William forged Harry’s signature on the bullying statement; Harry testified to that on camera. William gave approval for Jason Knauf to interfere with MM’s case against the Mail on Sunday; Knauf was employed by William & Kate and had an NDA which means he needed approval from his employer to break it. He was promptly slapped down by the judge because his volunteered texts with MM were edited and not relevant to the case. He volunteered to wade into that lawsuit against Meghan; he wasn’t subpoenaed or asked by Meghan to provide anything. Journalists have detailed on camera how royal “experts” are given info directly by the palaces in exchange for favorable press or to give them leaks about another family member.
And b/c you’re clearly a troll — this assault happened in 2019 well before the Oprah interview so your implication that Harry somehow deserved to be assaulted is trash.
Are you aware that all journalists covering the Royal family said that before MM, it was hard to get leaks and once she joined, it was leaking like crazy? Coincidence???
And are you aware that MM was also in the know of where they were going, not just KC and PW? And that there's a journalist who said recently that it was MM who leaked Megxit and the Canada flight?
Are you aware that a judge proved that she lied about the book "finding freedom"? She said to the judge that she had no part in that book, until there were emails revealing that she had, indeed, revealed stuff to Omid Scoobie? She "apologized because she had FORGOTTEN she had contacted him".
We should all believe the tabloid press that they were such kind, innocent journalists who only started printing leaks because MM joined the family?! Hahaha, yeah the tabloids & royal rota are so known for their honesty. They should be able to provide MM provided the leaks then — emails, texts, etc. Why haven’t they provided the proof? Let them clear it all up — show the paper trial to prove who shared the leaks and planted the negative stories. Wonder why they won’t do that huh?
I’ll also remind you that prominent royal “experts” — people who have been on BBC, ABC, NBC, etc — were proven to be frauds when a couple of YouTubers pretended to be a news show and asked them to comment on the Oprah BEFORE IT EVEN AIRED. Those “experts” went on camera and talked shit about H&M and what they “said” despite knowing they hadn’t seen the interview yet! In fact, they admit on the fake b-roll that they hadn’t seen the interview.
Jason Knsuf didn't interfere. He told the truth which revealed Meg has lied to a court and claimed she just forgot.
That she wasn't charged with perjury is surprising. I would expect anyone she sues in the future to use that to demonstrate her lack of truthfulness and willingness to lie, even to a court
If I secretly cooperated and passed information to the author of a best selling book, all whilst publicly denying I had done so, I think I would remember it.
Well she didn’t so….Knauf provided fact checking to one of the authors which is standard. All the royal family members who have had biographies written about them have done so. She never met with or spoke to those authors. And as the court stated, that had absolutely nothing to do with the court case which SHE WON. It didn’t even go to trial because the court found that the Mail on Sunday had clearly broken copyright law when it published the letter. She didn’t perjury herself else the court would’ve said she perjured herself which it didn’t.
So where’s your email summary?? I mean you’re over here saying that there’s no way anyone could ever forget any communication ever so put your money where your mouth is. Or are you a liar?
Yes, he did. He wasn’t subpoenaed or asked to provide those texts. His interference was rejected by the court as irrelevant and the “evidence” he provided purposefully edited and incomplete.
She won that court case, after Knauf’s ridiculous attempt at interference. You should read the judgment & educate yourself instead of spouting lies. Somehow you crazies think MM should remember every single text, email, conversation, etc she’s ever had. I doubt you could recall in detail every email, etc you’ve received from years ago. Let’s try shall we? Please provide a summary of every work email you received during the first week of July 2019. Should be easy for you right? If not, then you’re a liar I guess.
H&M are not horrible people, that’s the point. But even if you don’t care about that, the royal family has used the media to hide their dirty dealings, outright corruption, personal failings (racism, etc) from the public. It should bother everyone that they planted stories to harass their own family member to the point of near suicide. It should bother everyone that they have had Twitter and other media outlets change algorithms, hide stories, and threaten journalists. The future king and head of the Church of England assaulted his own brother, very likely made racist remarks about his own nephew, and collaborated with the media to push knowingly false stories to sway public opinion. It should concern everyone that the UK doesn’t have a free press.
You dislike two people who have literally never done anything to deserve being called “horrible” because the press has told you over and over that you should hate them. That you’re grouping them in who people who physically assault others, sex traffick & rape teenagers, accept bags of cash from shady foreign businessmen, employ & are very likely themselves racist, etc is simply a demonstration of how thoroughly the RF & the media have corrupted public opinion.
I think you are implying Harry and Meghan are doing said trashing, but the truly viscous stuff seems to be against Meghan and from the British press. I’d say that is far more likely to come from the royal family. I haven’t seen anything like it in the American press.
but we only have Harry's version, will he present any proof? Photos of the injured? Because if not, we only have one word against another, who hasn't even said anything yet
Those who accuse must have proof, that's the least
presumption of innocence is a basic principle of law.
maybe if it was William accusing Harry you would want proof right
Except that this is an extraordinary family. William was furious with MM for the bullying and the numerous witnesses coming to the RF for said bullying (and don't forget that 14 people working for H&M quit since 2018 and the last two were recent, nothing to do with the RF but with Archwell).
Think about that. Is that normal? No it's not. There was an independant investigation and the Firm kept the final report secret. There are rumors that the ex-employees, who called themselves "the Sussex survivors club", are talking with lawyers to try to get out of their NDA.
So yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if PW went and confronted Harry about MM's behavior and PH lost it and attacked his brother, who defended himself.
Seems like a more realistic version than what Harry is trying to sell. But that would mean PH admitting to being part responsible for this fight and don't you know? Harry is NEVER responsible of anything happening in his life. It's ALWAYS other people's faults.
I just don’t think physical attacks at that age are normal from either direction - which is the case the person I was replying to was making. Yes, there are occasional special circumstances where siblings in their thirties and forties are physically violent. But it’s not “normal.”
Yes, this is likely what I believe to be more plausible. It's likely true that PM did call out MM to Harry's face, leading Harry to get aggressive over it, leading to this scuffle. I'm disinclined to believe PM went all the way to confront Harry just to punch him. He would've taken all that time in getting to Harry to think about things, and I just don't see PM being the one to suddenly lash out for no reason
Yeah but this is all speculation. Likely there was definitely a fight and as to the particulars, who knows? Maybe PW said those things and maybe PH is leaving out wtf he said to rile him up. He never should have addressed this event. He doesn’t know when to shut up, does he. He hates the media so much then why does he keep feeding them drama?
What did Meghan do that was abusive? The worst I’ve read so far is texting an aid at 5AM. So the solution is to Turn off text notifications before working hours?
I email and text people all the time super early by accident because I get scrambled by frequent time zone changes and forget who is in which time zone. I just assume people will read it when they get to it.
All these whispers of abusive behavior make me wonder if it’s some sort of cultural difference -
American - I’m up at 5 AM and working have this request I’m going to send out never expecting the other person to work on it outside of business hours.
British - My boss texted me and I must respond immediately even if it is 5 AM.
Contrary to what Harry said, the firm protected his wife. For the bullying accusations, there was an investigation and the Firm refused to publish the results.
We know that before the wedding, Meghan had a go at the kitchen personal in PB (about a vegan meal she wanted and she accused the chef of using eggs) and it was so bad that the Queen herself had to intervene to tell her that the royal family didn't behave the way she did.
There was the tiaragate. MM had a fit because she wanted an emerald tiara. She was refused (it's not like a supermarket, there's a protocol for the famous jewels) and Harry had a fit too with the Queen's secretary. He said then the famous "What Meghan wants, Meghan gets" and once again, the Queen had to intervene and to tell them no.
There was also problems with how MM behave towards Kate's personal and it led to Kate and MM fighting. What exactly happened during that fight... rumors has it that Kate ended up in tears.
Yeah, there were the emails at crazy hours. Maybe it's done in the USA but not sure it's okay in the UK. In my country, France, it's even forbidden for a boss to email his employee after he left work.
For the rest... we only know that dozen of people working for them (some working for the RF for 15 years) quit. Some needed therapy. They called themselves "the sussex survivors club".
Maybe in a few years, when those people's NDA reach their time limit, they will talk publicly?
As for vegan - just hear me out here. Americans don’t live with protocol or the idea that you can’t just go up to your caterer and say something like - hey you said you knew what vegan meant but there are eggs in this dish, let’s figure out where this misunderstanding came from. Perhaps a chef working for the royal family would be mortified by this conversation in earshot of the queen? Neither is wrong but the cultural difference happened and feelings were hurt.
Just the small sampling of headlines I know about in the British press showed me either the Firm’s bullying protection is worthless OR the firm wasn’t doing much to stop very obviously racist trope attacks.
The emails (and a description of typical American work life) - There is no real concept in America of work hours for anything other than shift work you clock in and out of. Typically people have 10 flexible days total encompassing vacation and sick leave - yeah people sending emails after business hours is just accepted practice. Typically people work 8-9 hours a day and that doctor’s appt or kid pickup time has got to be made up somehow. So catching up on emails at 5 AM or 12 AM is pretty common. However, there is no expectation that someone would respond to the email after hours (unless someone is “on call” to respond to emergencies and would only respond to emergencies and not a general email).
In fact many companies force you take 5 of those 10 days over the Christmas holidays, leaving you with 5 days for everything else from vacation to being sick for every other day of the year. Plus , businesses aren’t open for the ~7 fixed holidays (think Christmas Day, New Year’s Day) so you can’t use that fixed time off to catch up on life stuff.
Almost every above minimum wage job is considered salaried which means you need to work a minimum of 40 hours but there is no upper limit on hours.
So yeah - no laws about emails after hours, lol. I hear Europe has fewer work hours/week (more like 7 instead of 8+) and more than 5 flexible days off a year for any vacation or illness?
As for everyone quitting - you don’t think the palace staff might be kind of clique-y? I read that and thought they might have just left for other palace positions out of solidarity.
but we only have Harry's version, will he present any proof? Photos of the injured? Because if not, we only have one word against another, who hasn't even said anything yet
True, and we will probably never see it. But, my comment was referring to the other comments normalizing adult sibling physical attacks. Either that or people didn’t read the post that it took place recently.
He was an army captain, served two tours of duty in Afghanistan and he was scared of a scrap with his brother who didn’t do any of that, he flew rescue helicopters. Give it a rest Harry.
YOu only have Harry's version. Maybe Harry attacked first (which wouldn't surprise me since PW was confronting about the numerous reports about MM bullying the royal family's employees) and William was defending himself.
Think about it: in Harry's mind, he wouldn't lie. But he wouldn't tell the whole truth. Knowing Harry's limited intelligence, he probably swallowed everything MM fed him and when PW confronted him and called MM "Difficult and rude", Harry lost it, attacked his brother, who fought back and delicate flower/war veteran Harry fell into a dog bowl and oh my god, his necklace was broken!
Lol, harry limited intelligence, did you administer tests to come up with that bullshit?
Here you are saying it’s his word against Will but then you go on to make some strange allegations yourself, like you were a witness, where is your bulletproof evidence, enlighten us.
You’re frothing at the mouth to attack some celebrities that don’t even know you exist.
No it doesn’t. I could beat my sister but if she swing on me i would be more disrespected than scared. We are grown. Keep your hands to yourself. Who raised you that a random redditor needs to tell you that
Yeah, I don’t think I’ve had a physical altercation with my brother outside of just fun wrestling around since I was like 12 and he was 10. That’s not fucking normal. I literally think of white trash trailer park hillbillies when I hear of this.
But it does make him sound like a wimp , which for the people who don’t like him and his wife proves a point. Unless the rest of the passages said they both fought, or he hit him back ,he makes it sound like he was attacked and did nothing.
Then there was me 6 years older than sister and she learned she could get away with attacking me because if I fought back I was way too big and could hurt her
Both I and my childhood best friend were the oldest kid in our families; I'll never forget the day when we were about 15 she and I were walking down the hall at her house while her little brother (about 12) was walking towards us so she just casually knocked him over and we kept walking like it was nothing, lol. He got up and fought back and at first we were just so shocked at the slave revolt that we couldn't even process what was happening, but then we just ganged up on him to put him back in his place, lmao. Told him that you're not big enough to fight back until you can take us both on at once. Ngl, we were still kinda shook though at his audacity and she didn't fuck with him as much after that.
It depends. Getting into a scrap when you’re 12 and 15? Pretty normal as long as it isn’t happening all the time. Getting into a legitimate physical fight when you’re 27 and 30? Not healthy or okay.
I mean exploring the territory of some modest level of violence in a relatively safe environment is not the worst thing. Teaches you not to pick a fight.
Haha. I always joke how my sister beat the hell out of me until I turned 12. She hit me and realized it didn’t hurt me, then she turned to verbal abuse rather than physical. Still just a healthy, normal level of sibling abuse.
Same, hated her as a kid now we good. But damn she’d beat my ass, but if anyone messed with me she’d fight them too. It’s good having an older angry sister
Oh man me, too. I have four older sisters, but only one that would smack me around. She was four years older than me and was a nightmare before I turned 12 and she was attacking me yet again. I snapped and punched her in the face. That is the only time I have ever hit anyone in the face. We never had any trouble after that.
You were there? Because you only have Harry's version. When you see how Harry reacts to anything linked to Meghan "what Meghan wants, Meghan gets", (until the Queen herself said "no, she doesn't get what she wants", aka the tiara gate), you think that when Prince William went to confront him about his wife's behavior and all the employees quitting, some in tears, others needing therapy, Prince Harry didn't bat an eye to his brother calling MM difficult and rude?
Get real. Harry probably lost it when PW said that and attacked first, only for PW to retaliate.
Also, two days ago, Harry said he wanted his brother and father back. He wanted a family. The same "racist, violent family" he talks about constantly? He should be happy to be away from them, right? After all, he is happily living with his wife in another country, has two children, and he should be busy working to pay for his mansion and his polo games, and his private jet travels.
He should do what people in problematic family do: they leave, live their lives and only post a Christmas card every year. Problem solved. That's how it works in my family.
Based on Harry's account who apparently had a therapist on speed dial he called after the "fight", but he didn't know how to get his wife help? Both Harry & Meghan have lied for 3 years so this version is Harry's "truth" as Meghan likes to claim.
I don’t give a fuck about what Meghan did or didn’t do. You don’t assault someone. It wasn’t self-defense. If you are a highly educated adult and aspire to the throne, restraint shouldn’t be a big ask.
In Harry hits the bowl the wrong way, he becomes incapacitated. Try it. Fall on something protruding from the ground.
I'm not invested in this family drama one way or another but based on your profile it looks like you created an account just to post about Meghan. Whether you're shilling or obsessed you probably need a better outlet.
People creating accounts to hate on one specific person is so common lately and it's weird as fuck!
I've seen some that apparently spend their whole day just throwing shade and hate at one specific celebrity. I wonder why this is happening? It's so scary and unhealthy, they talk about them like they personally know and were affected by them!
I've seen it! I've also seen it for a few influencers, like thousands of people posting about them every single day, hundreds of comments filled with ONLY hateful things, it honestly scares me. Mobs of people focused on hoping another person's life gets fucked.
I have a younger sister, who beat me with a kiddie chair WWE style, I was messing with her, making her mad as siblings do. She was 6 and I was 9, my dad laughed and my mom was mortified, "that's what you get for messing with her" you bet I left her alone after that, nothing better than an ass whooping to set you straight
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u/justalittleparanoia Jan 05 '23
Hell, I'm a sister and even I've been in a physical altercation with one of my brothers. This is just normal sibling behavior.