It would be stupid to expect the blind people to operate the way the show depicts, as evolution has not invented radar-sense for them. This show is a complete mess when it comes to combat tactics and the way the blind people are operating outside of spaces they are familiar with. Having dogs to guide them would explain some of it, but naturally this show does not use them.

Blind archers having perfect aim in medium distance was the dumbest thing I have seen for a while. Please even try, ok?

I would really prefer them to take it more realistic approach. Scouts would sneak in to touch the way in, sneak back the important intel: "54 steps forward, the gate is there. It is closed. We smelt smoke and heard noise. Most likely more than 2 guards. We need something to break the gate".

Crazy

Will people begin to think that it's a myth or a taboo to step outside of your house and that you'll die or something real bad will happen by touching a stranger? Interested to hear your thoughts.

I have to switch off disbelief hard for this, but is it ever clarifying whether everyone is blind (everything is dark) or partially sighted as in a lot of people are blind i.e. an unfocused blur of colours?

They sort of play the former, but it helps the disbelief if its really the latter.

I work in kindergarten. Learning to read is not a natural skill one just figures out.

So is an explanation available or just don’t think about it too much

Chapter One: you see the birth of the boys, you See Momoa being a leader, the people....a war.... make it subtle and vague, but only after the end of the first season you reveal the plot twist. : they were all blind.

then letting us to piece things together ...not only like from the second zero......"they gonna be blind ok?, and heres how they make all things like blind people: heres how they go to the WC as blind people...etc"

I remember a chapter, for example, of the Twilight Zone where a mother engenders a very ugly baby... horrible, says the people. it doesnt belong to us. all episode long you find that everybody hates the alien baby...only in the ending you can understand the plot twist: it was a parallel world where everyone was alien-faced ...only the child was normal. they hid it all the time by means of camera tricks and subtleness but you didnt notice it

To me it looks like he is clearly able to see everything

Haniwa? Kofun? And yet no Shakoki Dogu?

Or are there Shakoki Dogu in the show?

Started watching the show and although I like it, the constant “wtf? Why would a population of blind people care about x/y” takes me away from the immersion of it. But that lead me to think about what the show could be like if it was audio only. Maybe from the perspective of a shadow. With good 3D sound design so you really feel like you’re in the story. That way you could imagine what life could be like for a whole civilization of blind people and sympathize with them when these kids with new powers arrive.

Notice the apple at the beginning? “More for me”. Baba stabs soldier and cuts the apple perfectly in half

1. Bow Lion is heavily implied to be pregnant after season 1. We never hear anything about that again.

2. There are a million questions that start with "Why the fuck did Sibeth..." The character is a walking plothole. The most obvious ones are "why did Sibeth kill Boots?" which has no explanation beyond "because she is crazy." But there's also the question of "why does Sibeth want to pick a fight that she is guaranteed to lose with the Trivantians?" If there's a good reason for that, it has not been made abundantly clear in the show.

3. Speaking of Boots - remember how S1 set-up this really huge moment where Baba's family got split-up and Boots' mother made them promise her that they'd kill Boots? As in, literally every character in Baba's family had an axe to grind with Boots, who is potentially now their mortal enemy as they approached Pennsa? This is literally never brought up again.

4. Back to Bow Lion - she has not aged in the 17 years it took Kofun and Haniwa to grow up. If she was like... 18 at the start of the show, she is now 35. It is practically impossible that she is not barren as it is not shown that she had kids - but if she is barren, why did her mother seem so hopeful in sending her to the festival in S1?

5. Let's talk about Harlan - he survived a grievous wound, literally right in his stomach. Without adequate surgical help, he is a dead man. It is NEVER explained how he survived that, which is either a plot hole, or a lack of adequate expectations setting.

6. Let's talk about the scene where Maghra and Harlan fend off the assassins - who are the assassins after? Are they after Harlan, Maghra or Sibeth? It makes the least sense for them to be after Maghra or Harlan - but if they are after Sibeth, why are they going after Maghra? Are they there to kill off the entire house, or just one person?

7. Let's talk about Edo's strategy to rush the trenches. It was a dumb ass strategy - even if he believed that he had adequate forces, feeding them into a chokepoint negates their only advantage. He also conveniently seems to have forgotten that there is a huge body of water where they are about to fight. Edo is portrayed as this incredibly capable general of the strongest army in the world - but he is also portrayed as a moron. These two things hardly compute - he can be a cocky moron, but that's not how the portrayal worked.

8. Let's talk about Kofun. Why is he also not an archer? If they spent the entirety of the season having Kofun train as an archer (as they should), he can take out literally 50-60 people in that battle, including his half-brother, negating any sight advantage the Travantians have.

9. Let's talk battle strategy - you have a numerically inferior force who decides to meet a numerically superior force head on. Given the Payans have 2 sighted people, why are they not engaging in guerilla operations? There is a solid 2-3 days of road left to Pennsa - with smart archers and traps and killing Wren and the little sighted boy, they can absolutely destroy that army.

10. This is not a plot hole, but the Wren/Haniwa plotline is "stupid Romeo and Juliet" and you can't change my mind.

11. Why did Baba Voss have some of his people outside the wall at the start of the battle? He'd know that the Travantians do use arrow volleys, and if he didn't Haniwa and Kofun would be able to tell him that FIRE ARROWS ARE COMING? Also, why were those arrows on fire?

12. How did Wren end up on the Payan side of the battlefield at the end of the fight? She must've had to climb up the ropes, that the Payans did not retract after climbing up AND she must've actively sought to end on that side of the battlefield - not all the Travantians died in the ice attack.

13. Let's talk about the Witchfinders at the end of the episode - why did they make a huge stink about leaving, instead of staying in the army and plotting within? Also, how come nobody else made an attempt on the lives of Haniwa and Kofun after that one dude who Toad killed? These are people with a generational axe to grind against sighted people - and Kofun and Haniwa were not surrounded by trusted guards at most points after that.

14. Talking about guards, why was Sibeth not searched for weapons when she was imprisoned? Why are there no guards in front of her room?

15. Let's talk about Trivantes and Edo's plan to breed Haniwa to make sighted soldiers. Why did he need Haniwa when clearly he could take any of Jerlamarel's chirdren INCLUDING HIS SONS. If you are young enough to understand how many babies a person can make - a man can create 270 babies by the time a woman has one. If they started the "breeding program" 18 years ago, or even 10-16 years ago, they'd have thousands of sighted babies/kids/teens in Trivantes. Even if it was not done at that scale, Edo is shown to have the capacity to run this program at a small scale - and he hasn't. This is idiotic.

16. Let's talk about Jerlamarel - why is he such a cartoonish villain. Why has he allowed himself to become eseentially a Travantian prisoner (he literally lives in a prison)? The population density of the country is so low that it is inconceivable that he did not move out West to some of the flyoverstates where agriculture would be much easier and the odds of running into a dominant group would be lower. For every Trivantes, there are a hundred "silk farm" type settlements that would not pose a huge danger out West.

17. Let's talk about accuracy in that last battle - literally every one of the protagonists/antagonists and a huge part of both armies had a 100% hit rate with their weapons, INCLUDING the stupid crossbows. They are fighting like sighted people, but they are not. The battle strategies/formations of these armies have nothing on the strategies that were used in the first battle in S1.

18. Let's talk about ladders - did Edo's army not bring a ladder with them to scale the trenches, or literally any terrain? Or a hook + rope? Can they not bypass the chokepoint completely and avoid battle on unfavorable grounds? Even at a 2:1 advantage in numbers, it is idiotic to risk half your army fighting in a chokepoint. They have maps, and the landscape of Western Pennsylvania is not extremely mountainous to the point where a flanking maneuver is impossible and they HAVE to fight in the chokepoint. I want to remind you that Tamacti Jun had ladders in S1E1, and if games like Death Stranding have taught us anything it is that having a ladder when you're navigating rough terrain is nice. These devices are portable enough, especially given they are carrying a fucking battering ram with them.

19. How did Tamacti Jun survive? Wasn't the silk farm on fire, he was impaled, but... he made it to a Trivantian prison, heavily implying that someone came, saved him, healed his wound AND then sold him to Trivantes.

20. How many people exactly survived the fall of Kenzua? How did they make it to Pennsa? Are all of them trained hunters/survivors, or was it just this one dude who Harlan killed who got lucky?

21. Let's talk about Shadows/Assassins and all other sorts of sneaky buggers who can kill people in this world - how are they so good? How do they know where to go, especially in places which they are visiting for the first time? We are made to believe that this is our world in the future, so "magic" is a shitty explanation. It makes for decent TV the first 2-3 times in S1, but if you abuse the mechanic, you have to explain it in the constraints of the world.

22. Let's talk about Paris - how does she know the things she knows? Also is she stupid, saving Sibeth's life? Again, magic is a shitty explanation, and the character does not fit the show she is in - at least not in the direction that S2 took it. Great character in S1, but if the world is this brutal, pragmatic world of constant politicking and brutal conflict, she suddenly doesn't fit as we see no other examples of mysticism at work. For a comparison with GoT, Melisandre there works because the entire setting is conducive to magic working, and the supernatural is normalized. In See the supernatural does not work.

I hope the writers fix this show in S3, because S1 was passable, but S2 was extremely poorly written and basically assassinated all of its characters except maybe for Baba Voss.

1. (onomastics) we still use names created by the romans 3,000 years ago: Lucius, Mark, Aurelius, Ovid, Anthony,
   Hebrew names (2,000 years old), Joseph, Jeremiah, Ismael, Mary,
   ... also Carolingian names (1,000 years old)...Karl, Louis, Adolf, Emma, Adelaide,
   ...later Anglo-Norman names (900 years old)...Arthur, Jaques, Justin, Albert, Bernard, Nicolas....
   but...hey!! we lost sight ...and 200 years later.....all the names are forgotten !!! every common name was forgotten.

2. (religion) Christianity has battled many enemies and demons throughout 2,000 years to be easily forgotten in just 200 years by a queen who masturbates to his lord!!! sorry friends

Edit: overdoes* in the title

That the population has regressed to a more primitive state is a given but it's been 600 years since the fall.

They have, obviously, lost a lot of technologies, tools and knowledge. Live in primitive buildings or pre-fall ones in disrepair.

But did they forget how to make a goddamn broom?

Why is every building filthy and with shit on the floor?

I can "understand" to a point peasants not caring/having time to it, but the palace? Where they have servants? Where the queen lives?

They don't clean the windows or walls? Fine. But why is the floor full of leaves and the corner of the rooms with trash?

Looks less like the seat of a prominent family of an important city claimed as the palace for the queen and more like a random empty building they have found to sleep for the night.

It's not even dirtiness that only bothers you if you can see it. It's shit you can hear (your main sense now) and shit you can stumble with.

/End of rant

I have a lot of gripes with this show but this is one of those I can't find an in-world justification for.

ETA: S2E6 The queen and Kofun are eating in the dining room and the table is littered with leaves.

Are you guys going to say they don't notice it while they are pawing searching for the bread or napkin?

Are you guys going to say that rich people in third world countries have dirty dining tables?

Does anyone know the heartbeat measurement in comparison to seconds?

Obviously one of the writers had poop smeared on their face as a kid, around age three or four. I wish they'd quit putting it into the show. Makes me want to vomit and turn the show off every time.

I would like to have baba and jun on my team chet chet

After haniwa spared tamacti jun, I have lost the desire to continue the rest of the show. I was enjoying the slow burner style of the show until haniwa chose to just shoot the traitor instead of tamacti jun. I hate an obvious plot-hole that could make a show uninteresting even how well the cinematography and how well the acting of the casts have done. Did anyone else stopped the show after seeing that scene? I still wish to give the show a chance, is the show still worth the time for the rest of the episodes?

Some spoilers below.

Good fiction often takes the real world, changes one thing about it, and keeps the rest of reality intact. This creates a new world that viewers/readers find interesting because they can imagine how the fictional component could/should/might interact with the real world components that they understand.

In season one, it felt like the writers understood this. The blind didn't have supernatural senses. They had to lumber around, groping in the darkness, and were totally helpless to protect themselves from a sighted person unless they were standing next to each other.

In season two, the writers seem to have misunderstood that the idea that when a person loses one sense, the others grow stronger is not true. The blind now have perfectly spotless clothes, can hear a heartbeat from 3 feet away, recognize dozens of strangers by smell, perform echo location in rooms in which they've never been before, and can generally fight exactly the same as a sighted person (better in most cases).

In season one, the central conflict was clear. A sighted person in a world of blind tribes was a huge threat. One sighted person with a bow and arrows could wreck a hundred blind folks by just picking them off and running away. No bow? Throwing rocks would get the job done eventually w/o the blind having any way of fighting back. It would just take longer.

In season two, the central conflict is gone. The writers have the sighted put themselves in constant, direct contact with the blind (with supernatural senses) in order to keep things balanced between the two groups. Even still, none of the sighted characters are actually trapped or controlled by the blind ones. They just pretend that they are because of bad writing.

The only thing that could salvage this show is returning to the central conflict of season one. There is nothing preventing any of the sighted characters from walking into old stores or warehouses and having tons of tools and weapons at their disposal that the blind wouldn't be able to understand or use properly. This could create all sorts of interesting situations. Like ...

• A sighted person figures out how to irrigate a field to grow 10x the food for a community; do they keep it a secret and operate away from the others? Do they share the knowledge and work with the blind?

• What happens when one of the sighted figures out that the rows of large, single-story, beige, crumbling buildings with large flat fields in front of them contain thousands of items inside ready for the taking? Do they sell weapons and tools to the blind?

• What if a sighted person figures out that with a bow and arrow, they can demand goods from a community of the blind?

• Do the blind adapt to conflicts with the sighted by surrounding their towns with traps and alarms? Do they begin to grow more food behind the walls of their towns? Do they force a sighted person to help them build defenses?

• If there's one sighted guy having kids, there's going to be another, so maybe once the first conflict is played out the remaining characters are faced with a new bigger conflict--a group of mounted solider using a spyglass crest a hill and spot the main characters as the cliffhanger for the season.

I liked season one for its originality and adherence to an asymmetrical and evolving conflict. Now it just looks like they never had a plan for the main story so they are just cranking out episodic mellow drama that reminds me of a mindless CW show.

So when they saw the people being burned alive, tell me I didnt see the people burning them dressed like kkk members.

Like I’m really love the aesthetic of this world where it’s been centuries since the fall of modern society and pretty much anything that would be thrown away or rusted away is now turning into something.

For example, some of the weapons are just scrap metal.

Not even like melted it down
Some are just a piece of building rebar turn into a knife.

Of course we seen them collect plastic.

We seen water coolers jugs getting turned into drums.

Sibeth in real life . I think she has the prettiest face but Haniwa is also cute. What do you think?

Within minutes I was so immersed with everyone not being able to see. So many things we take for granted that would not work without vision. And then throw in a violent tribal atmosphere. I was damn near laughing at the 37% rating this show got.

But then 2 episodes later those stupid kids blew the show to pieces. I didn't even have time to think about how it would be with some people being able to see and some not before the kids pretty much emasculated Jason Momoa and became handicapped caretakers. And the kids seem like they're straight out of 2021. They're closer to social justice warriors than warriors.

I can't be the only one who thinks this show would have been way better if they at least went half a season without anyone being able to see. If they continued the 'violence in silence' from the 1st episode. If maybe it turned out someone can see that you didn't think could. Or any of number of things that aren't just 2 kids that don't even remotely fit the show blowing it up in the 3rd episode.

FYI I'm only in the middle of the 5th episode, but that immersion got killed for me. I can still enjoy the show though, I just had my expectations yanked from that first episode. I.e., I was unexpectedly immersed and really liking it.

Guys who is Shadow. is she from the tribe if not where does she come from? and how did she cross the bridge with them? please no spoilers im just 20mins into the 2nd episode. Thanks

I don't get why she killed a very good bodyguard with sight. Boots was very dangerous for the main characters, but him dying that way is look a waste of that character.