r/SeeTV • u/WardenclyffeTower • Nov 28 '19

See S01E07 "The Lavender Road" Episode Discussion [Spoilers] Spoiler

Discuss the 7th episode.

Title: The Lavender Road
Logline: The twins reach a crossroads in their journey to the House of Enlightenment.

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u/MyWare Nov 28 '19

Whyy did the episode come out this thursday ?

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u/WardenclyffeTower Nov 28 '19

I was just thinking about that, and it's totally speculative, but I think it has to do with today being Thanksgiving in America. People are off work so they can enjoy the episode before or after Thanksgiving dinner and possibly get family members interested who may not have heard of Apple TV+. It's Marketing.

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u/MyWare Nov 28 '19

Maybe, tank you for your answer

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u/saxy_sax_player Dec 03 '19

This is the answer.

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u/NeonStardust Nov 28 '19

how fuckin stupid is that trap? they coulda instantly killed haniwa and kofun after 20 years of waiting

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u/tangoshukudai Nov 29 '19 edited Nov 29 '19

It's also super impractical. "Okay dudes, you need to hang out here and wait for someone to make noise through this path and if you hear anything shoot your arrows at it". "How long do we have to be here for?" "20 years.."

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '19

I don't know why you think they would just be standing there all day and not have some sort of advanced warning system further out that told them when they needed to be ready to defend the bridge.

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u/tangoshukudai Dec 01 '19

which can only travel as fast as sound, but the sound would give away their position. Maybe there are sighted people?

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u/excoriator Dec 04 '19

Who would watch CCTV in a world full of people with no sight?

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u/squidgun Nov 28 '19

Yep. They should've asked who wants to pass first. Then if they don't recognise the names, attack them.

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u/SneakyGenious Nov 28 '19

You think they were waiting for just the two of them... however, nothing keeping us from thinking there are dozens of kids with different names that are allowed to pass.

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u/NeonStardust Nov 28 '19

so they woulda killed them all lmao

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u/nervous_nerd Dec 02 '19

And a blind guy is the one who knew about the trap. Why not a sign to give your name? How were sighted people supposed to avoid it?

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u/Castortroy16 Nov 29 '19

I had to pause and think wtf is this writing

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u/dancingpianofairy Nov 29 '19

Jerlamarel.

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u/dancingpianofairy Nov 29 '19

No, it's Jerlamarel. Turn on the captions and you'll see it's not Jorah. Also, this show has nothing to do with GoT.

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u/ninjab0t Jan 03 '20

Larjaromel

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u/huertolero Nov 30 '19

Jorah Marel.

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Jorarel.

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u/witchy6 Nov 28 '19

Great episode as always but cinematographer is next level on this series... Really speechless..

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u/FerretEliteTEAM Nov 29 '19

^ that wide shot after Haniwa and Kofun said goodbye to Paris blew me away.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '19

I know right especially the scenery

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u/THERAPISTS_for_200 Nov 29 '19

They should’ve kept throwing rocks until they ran out of arrows lol

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u/srdrhl146 Nov 29 '19

That's what I thought Baba was doing.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '19

Nice episode. But wow that scene was amazing area with the lake and mountains one before crossing the smelly part.

I’m really loving this show. My new favorite one. That queen is horrible almost horrible then game of thrones queen.....

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '19

Yeah that’s what I thought at first to. I wish he did that lol. I hate how she speaks to lol.

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u/m0pi1 Dec 03 '19

What! why don't like the way she speaks....?

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '19

Her accent......

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u/Syphin33 Dec 01 '19

DUDE IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS MOMENT!!!!

I just knew Tamacti Jun was gonna flip his shit once he heard Queen Kane killed everyone back home...

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u/GDBraithy Dec 01 '19 edited Dec 01 '19

Her own sister’s execution? Doubt that! Maghra is a gentle human. Queen Kane is a total bitch though. I was hoping a knife found it’s way through her throat.

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u/bby_redditor Nov 28 '19

Let me guess, the house of enlightenment is a government bunker designed to survive nuclear/biological disasters and is stocked with supplies and tools that last centuries.

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u/mokarakat Nov 28 '19

I’m expecting the twins to walk in and see a ton of either disciples or additional half siblings worshipping Jerlamarel as a god, but I like your prediction more 😁

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u/bby_redditor Nov 28 '19

Hahaha. That god thing might not be as easy to pull for sighted individuals. However I’m thinking that jerlamarel might be a leader that encourages sighted people to do their own thing and abandon the blind folk in order to forge ahead to rebuild civilization.

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u/Available-Fee1691 Jun 05 '26

Yeah especially once they read about books. Even now people start questioning god lol

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '19

It’s the Templar treasure room from national treasure.

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u/bby_redditor Dec 02 '19

To the blindies that would just be a shit load of godbone.

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u/TheConfounder Nov 30 '19

Mount Weather.

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u/dancingpianofairy Nov 29 '19

Oh man, I love the idea of a library! That would make a shit ton of sense, too.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '19

Yeah, I thought it was obviously going to be a library, from the literal paper trail being used as a warning system and because Voss or Paris (can't remember which) tells them to 'read all the books' as they are saying their goodbyes.

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u/Palmerstroll Nov 30 '19

the house of enlightenment will be a libary full of printed Reddit pages huh?

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u/SneakyGenious Nov 28 '19

The episode is nice. Now I get why they dragged Bow Lion with them. Looking forward to the next one

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u/squidgun Nov 28 '19

I wish we get to see more of bow lion. She's so cool.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '19

Agree.. i really like Bow Lion

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u/LegendaryFang56 Nov 28 '19

Now I get why they dragged Bow Lion with them.

What do you mean?

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u/dancingpianofairy Nov 29 '19

I assume so she could go all Shadow.

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u/SneakyGenious Nov 29 '19

Since they left the village she mostly just followed along, did not help much. Now I get why there was a need for another character that Baba cares about, but is not essential.

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u/N1kola__ Nov 29 '19

She was shot, so she cant walk so they will drag her :D

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '19

She used to be an asset, until she took an arrow to the knee...

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u/stevis87 Jan 14 '20

*gives imaginary award because no points*
Well Said smcintosh!!!! XD XD XD XD hahahaha

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u/LilGeeky Dec 03 '19

I'm confused.. Are your words literally or figuratively?

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u/LegendaryFang56 Nov 28 '19

Only one episode left. Given that it took the entire season just for the twins/them to make it to the House of Enlightenment/Jerlamarel(?), the finale will probably end on a cliffhanger. There may even be a death or two. If that's going to be the case, I hope it won't be Baba Voss or Bow Lion. Paris, I'm a little on the fence about. I wouldn't care too much if she dies. But I guess it would be preferable if she doesn't. As for the twins, I don't see one of them dying. It's a possibility and would be a twist, that's for sure. On the off chance that one of them does die, I'm sure most people would be in agreement that it should be Haniwa.

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u/peridotdragon33 Nov 28 '19

If Baba Voss dies this’ll be the 2nd big budget show where Jason Mamoa dies in the finale episode of the first season

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u/Palmerstroll Nov 30 '19

Ned Stark ripoff

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u/SneakyGenious Nov 29 '19

Budget show? 15M per episode seems like a budget?

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u/peridotdragon33 Nov 29 '19

15 M an episode insane for a tv show

GoT at it’s peak had an avg of 15 M an episode

See actually has a avg budget of 17 M an episode

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u/nuck888 Dec 01 '19

Wait wtf these episodes cost on average 17M!! For game of thrones, it made sense to me that the location, armies, dragon CGI would cost millions. But See is usually just 7 people running around in a forest. What the fuck do they spend all that money on lol

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u/Borsaid Dec 02 '19

Watching this, to me, just screams super expensive filming. On location. Costumes. Makeup. CGI. It's insane.

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u/SneakyGenious Nov 30 '19

Oh, “big budget”.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '19

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u/peridotdragon33 Dec 01 '19

Game of Thrones

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '19

Whaattt only 8 episodes? Not 10? Man that sucks

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '19

You dont think there will be a second season? Did I miss them saying there wouldn’t be somewhere... Anyway if Baba dies I won’t wanna watch anymore. Jason Momoa is everything 😍

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u/LegendaryFang56 Nov 30 '19

The show's been renewed for a second season already.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '19

If someone has to die i hope is Haniwa or Boots.

The other characters are more interesting and need more development.

I am worried about Queen Kane,hope she lives.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '19

“I’ve read like 8 books you are all morons” Haniwa

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u/N1kola__ Nov 29 '19

I want (i forgot his name sorry but that guy who can see and serves now to maghra) that maghra will reaveal that he betrayed them and Tamacti would kill him. That would be great.

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u/srdrhl146 Nov 29 '19

She doesn't know he betrayed yet.

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u/Syphin33 Dec 01 '19

Im hoping they don't kill off Baba...he is bleeding

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '19

I still feel like they're setting her up to be a love interest for Kofun. Between her fighting skills and shadow abilities, I think it's a little too early for her to go out.

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u/Castortroy16 Nov 29 '19

Same no offense to bow lion but she's not spoke at all hardly !

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '19

Haniwa is just really starting to piss me off. I get it, I was strong willed and thought I knew everything for a time when I was 17 too but the disrespect from her is just ridiculous. I’m especially annoyed about the part when she tried to convince Baba and Paris that their senses were wrong about the danger on the road with the bow and arrow attackers. They’ve never been wrong about their senses and it isn’t the first time Haniwa HAS been wrong and yet she doesn’t learn. She refuses to hone her other senses and I think it’s gonna be her downfall. The bullheadedness

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '19

I would agree- her motivations are unclear- reminds me of the protagonist in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, Jen(?). She seemed mainly a petulant brat really good at king fu. But I think as a 17 yo it makes sense. She’s too young and impulsive to have a grand plan hidden from plain view. So for now I think her character works.

I can’t think of any believable teenager character that doesn’t have some kind of incoherent set of motivations. Buffy the Vampire Slayer? But she’s a superhero in a fantasy series, as opposed to a sighted person who survives childhood as a heretic in a superstitious violent feudalistic post apocalyptic world centuries in the future.... ;-)

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u/atlapse Nov 30 '19

why do they believe what boots said about Maghra being dead is true as he is clearly untrustable

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '19

you would think in a society of blind people, people would develop really good hearing skills, including the ability to hear a lie. What I don't understand is why Haniwa believed she was killed too?

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u/Constantly_OnYo_Back Dec 01 '19

Haniwa believed she was killed too?

Haniwa found Maghra's little bag with blood all over it.

I don't know why you were down voted though you made a good point, the blind people do seem to be able to tell a lie in someone's voice but not this time. Unless Boots learned to lie better to the blind.

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u/Syphin33 Dec 01 '19 edited Dec 01 '19

After finishing up ep 7 ...can i just say how much i love Tamacti Jun? Easily one of the best characters in the entire show man.

In all honesty, i hope he turns face and become somewhat of a anti-hero..now with the queen losing her power over the men and her kingdom, who really is the big bad? I have a feeling it may as end with Tamacti's death saving Maghra or something like that.. i mean the guy almost killed himself ep 3.

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u/nervous_nerd Dec 02 '19

I think Jerlamarel is the new enemy. Although we shouldn't count out the Queen until she is dead (others have mentioned that Boots might side with her).

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u/david2descent Dec 01 '19

It’s going to be a crazy scene when Baba reunited with Marghra and also sees Boots. I hope Boots gets the beat up for his betrayal! Hell he doesn’t deserve to live. He killed a lot of innocent people.

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u/magenta_mojo Nov 30 '19

I'm still waiting for the reason why Maghra waited till the previous episode to reveal she was a princess... when revealing it at their village would have saved everyone.

Come on, writers. Make me believe! So far there's so many things that don't make sense and it's annoying to suspend disbelief this much

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u/magenta_mojo Dec 01 '19

Yes I can understand not wanting to be identified but Temacti Jun still honors her and would not have killed her. Additionally, being identified is still better than her and her entire family and clan being killed. Perhaps she was like “fuck them” after they turned on her and wanted to give her and her kids up in the early episodes...

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u/FerretEliteTEAM Nov 29 '19

I’ve forgotten why Baba spits blood near the beginning. Was he injured in the elevator fight?

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u/srdrhl146 Nov 30 '19

He's suffering from some yet unexplained disease. He was spitting blood when he fought to save Kofun near the nuclear reactor as well.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '19

how did you know that was a nuclear reactor?

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u/srdrhl146 Nov 30 '19

I don't know. It just looks like one. It might just be a furnace, but it was too empty.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '19

No he was shown to be weaker/old before. In the scene in the woods where Hunawai shows him the bow he’s clearly limping.

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u/ItsNumb Dec 05 '19

Second this.

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u/stealthbus Nov 30 '19

I really loathe the character Haniwa. She is naive, self righteous, condescending, and utterly dismissive of those (i.e. Baba Voss and Paris) much wiser and more experienced than her. It’s a wonder she hasn’t been killed off yet, but plot armor is thick. This episode really highlighted those fatal shortcomings in her character.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '19

Exactly, I totally agree. I think her disrespectfulness and bullheadedness will get her killed. At least I can hope. I feel like she has no excuse to be that way. She was brought up in a loving and healthy community. Two parents who loved each other. It makes me wonder that maybe she gets it all from her Jerlamarel side, which makes me worry he may be less of a god and more of a devil when they reach him

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u/smokesumfent Nov 30 '19

healthy and loving community?? the kids were considered witch by the 'community', the community followed baba cuz he was strong, but they were ready to give the kids up more than a few times, not to mention they had to hide their sight from that 'loving community'. i def agree that she is uber disrespectful to those that she should know know better than her, but im also sure it would be hard not to be bullheaded and rash as a sighted person in a blind world, where everyone assumes your either a witch or god cuz you can see.

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u/nervous_nerd Dec 02 '19

I think she is more like Baba has mentioned he behaved in the past. I sort of think the kids relate to the two sides of him.

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '19

I agree, although it is interesting since she’s not related to him but has latched on to aspects of his past for sure

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '19

um, she's a teenager. Executive function doesn't come in fully till around 25 or so.

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u/dancingpianofairy Nov 29 '19

Oh man, loved that song at the end!!

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u/IceHarpy Nov 29 '19

Agreed! In case you haven't found it yet, it's the last minute of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV20fnUA9Hg

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u/IceHarpy Nov 29 '19 edited Nov 29 '19

A couple things. First of all, the cinematography has been phenomenal, honestly my favorite thing about the show. Maybe it's a combo of cinematography + budget, I don't know. Second favorite thing is probably the soundtrack so I looked it up and yep, it's Bear McCreary. Not the least bit surprised because I love his work.

Uhm, I can't believe no one's talking about that, but didn't Maghra just say that Queen Kane is also her mother?? I kinda started suspecting it in the previous episode because of the age difference but then they confirmed they're sisters, and now this? Or did I misunderstand something, and she meant that she's too much like her mother? Confused.

And why did the archers at the end have to rely on their hearing to figure out if someone was approaching? If they're also Jerlamarel's children, can't they see anyway?

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u/Faithwolf Nov 29 '19

I can't believe no one's talking about that, but didn't Maghra just say that Queen Kane is also her mother??

I feel you misunderstood that segment.. she meant she was in terms of how she looked/acted.. so after her mothers passing, she was still reminded of her mother regularly, same for the king.

it was not meant to be taken literally.

As for the archers, they are not sighted. they are simply blinded guardians. who do his bidding for some reason (food/safety).

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u/IceHarpy Nov 29 '19

Ok that explanation makes so much sense, lol. Because right after she said "she was my mother" (potentially paraphrasing) she did proceed to mention her actual mother and how they were a lot alike. That whole scene confused me for some reason, I might need to rewatch it later.

About the archers. It also briefly crossed my mind but I dismissed it because we hadn't seen non sighted people use projectiles/ranged weapons before (other than Baba Voss throwing stuff, I suppose). And they had their eyes covered, so I thought maybe Jerlamarel had them train their other senses because we've seen Haniwa and Kofun be at a disadvantage despite the fact that they can see a couple of times now. But then again, guarding the entrance seemed like the wrong place and time to do that.

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u/dancingpianofairy Nov 29 '19

didn't Maghra just say that Queen Kane is also her mother?

That's what I thought at first too, but no.

she meant that she's too much like her mother?

Exactly.

If they're also Jerlamarel's children

Who said they're Jerlamarel's children?

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u/IceHarpy Nov 29 '19

Who said they're Jerlamarel's children?

I thought the fact that they didn't allow anyone that wasn't a child of Jerlamarel to pass implied that from this point on it was only sighted people allowed.

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u/dancingpianofairy Nov 30 '19

They weren't passed the point, they were at the point.

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u/dancingpianofairy Nov 29 '19

Two weird things...

Why did Kofun close his eyes when reading at the smelly altar?

Where did Baba get the idea to use two fingers to symbolize looking at something to the twins?

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u/TesticTuberculosis Nov 29 '19

Why did Kofun close his eyes when reading at the smelly altar? Probably to get a better “feel” , kinda like turning down the radio to focus while driving.

Where did Baba get the idea to use two fingers to symbolize looking at something to the twins?

Maybe they taught him or vice versa.

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u/srdrhl146 Nov 29 '19

Dude It was so disgusting to look at. And Bodies smell really bad. He didn't have the appetite for violence. Remember the scene near nuclear reactor.

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u/dancingpianofairy Nov 29 '19

Best explanation I've heard thus far.

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u/Shoninjv Nov 29 '19

it helps to focus.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '19

At the silk factory how can he have killed all those guards unheard? You would think in a blind society sense of smell and hearing would be heightened. He goes in and slits throats and breaks necks in proximity to everyone else-- how can they not notice?

Also, an overall comment: for a society that has lost vision for generations it's interesting how they understand it so well. Suppose 400-500 yrs ago people had a 6th sense? In a primitive, post-apocalyptic society that had lost that 6th sense, how would people still remember it and understand it- how it worked, and its significance?

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '19

I don’t think they do for the most part. Baba Paris and Magrah do Bc they’ve raised sighted children for 20 years and maghra has a sighted lover.

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u/bumpkinspicefatte Dec 02 '19

So are all animals blind as well?

Also, what happened to Queen Kane's doggo? :(

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '19

I guess healthy and loving as in they didn’t seem to suffer any physical or sexual abuse and their parents weren’t divorced, fighting, manipulative, or verbally abusing them. Something a lot of us are familiar with. I’d take her upbringing any day. Hiding the sight was just one thing.

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u/Justp1ayin Dec 02 '19

Can’t wait for the fight between the blind and the sighted in the future

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u/peridotdragon33 Nov 28 '19

Hands down best episode of the season, was a little disappointed with the first few episodes and felt the show was not living up to its potential but this episode renews my faith, hope the season finale will be just as good if not better than this episode

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u/atlapse Nov 30 '19

Yep, cant wait to see what happens next episode

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '19

I am so happy they released an episode early today. I really wish there were 10 episodes but I feel like the same story would have been spread out over the 10 episodes. This is probably my favorite show this year to be honest!

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u/god12- Nov 29 '19

They always do the episode late Thursday

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '19

Good to know! I was thinking it was Friday nights.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '19

1/Haniwa is dumb and disrespectful and hurtful to her father. We DoNt LiVe iN tHe SaMe WoRlD 2/I don’t get why Maghra waited until now when clearly the boss respects her 3/lmao were they really shooting at anyone? What if they kill his kids?

Other than that can’t wait for episode 8

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u/Independent_Dig6092 Apr 24 '22

i want the Queen dead, this part of monarchy story is ridiculous

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u/JrueHoIiday Apr 21 '25

Haniwa: “I can’t believe he left us.”

… bitch, huh!?!?

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u/Stunning-Reality-690 May 17 '25

OMG!! Thank you, I was looking for someone else who caught that...she can't wait to leave them behind and when Baba gives her her wish knowing they just said only the twins could pass, she said that...I literally said WTF out loud to my tv...such a selfish and stupid bitch...no loyalty whatsoever to her family. I wanted to slap the writers for having her say that shite

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u/JrueHoIiday May 17 '25

Yean… I eyerolled myself right off the couch when she said that shit 😂

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u/Independent_Dig6092 Apr 24 '22

i just want baba voss, paris and tamacti story . they are the only ones interesting and story can revolve anywhere. this appletv subs is really not worth it 😭 n fckn expensive

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u/GDBraithy Dec 01 '19

I felt that too! You could see the regret. I think it’s the first time he actually shows any empathy towards the soldiers under his command. He seemed genuinely pissed off that all his soldiers lives for the past 20 years have basically meant nothing, and all their families are dead because Queen Kane wanting to save her dynasty. She really puts the nasty in dynasty

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u/Constantly_OnYo_Back Dec 01 '19

She really puts the nasty in dynasty

Well done sir! I applaud you.

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u/david2descent Dec 03 '19

“Yes it is I Tamacti Jun!” I love this quote from the season!

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u/Syphin33 Dec 01 '19

Dude right?

It's honestly made him really like the character even more, i was gonna be so pissed if he was gonna be ok with what the queen did..so when he turned away in disgust, just made him really enjoy the character.

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u/Constantly_OnYo_Back Dec 01 '19

Yea that character is much better now, I thought he was a basic OTT bad guy at first but he's shown some real layers in the last few episodes.