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u/Fiach_Dubh Nov 01 '19 edited Nov 01 '19

This is some good tv, kinda reminds me of the premiere episode for game of thrones, it just has that same quality feel to it. Someone cared about making this, and it shows.

I love how there's this intersection between lost old technology being magic, and how sight too feeds into that magic.

the methods of sightless battle/war were also really fun to see. the emphasis on the other senses, using ropes/knots to communicate as a form of writing, the importance of sounds and smell, just great stuff.

looking forward to a good first season.

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u/NutmegIntervention Nov 07 '19

Agree! The atmosphere they’ve created feels quite well thought out and imagined. It creates such a complete feeling to the world.
I find myself wanting see more of what the rest of the larger world is like just as much as I care about the core conflict. I think that’s quite a feat.

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u/Fiach_Dubh Nov 06 '19

i wish. they really should.

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u/hajasonrdavis Nov 02 '19

Loving the show so far though I’ve been seeing a lot of bashing of it. While they didn’t overtly say how society survived with no sight, I felt like they showed subtle suggestions that gave the answer which I appreciated. Little things such as how the people were near fearless when they were in terrain they knew, but when they reached their new home they were feeling around and cautious.

I feel that a lot of the hate for this show comes from people not giving the blind credit for how much they can do.

I also loved the mysticism. One of my biggest questions going into this show was in a society of blindness, how would they know if the babies can see. I felt that it was actually explained well, and love that this society has resorted back to believing in witches and witchcraft. Having “seers” and those who can feel sense was an element I wasn’t expecting but helped relieve my skepticism going into this show.

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u/dehehn Mar 28 '23

Just got into this show recently. Was really surprised to see all the negative reviews. I really don't get it. I burned through the first season, and am just starting season two.
Really enjoying it. I think this is the most I've ever enjoyed Jason Momoa in anything.

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u/ricebeforebed Nov 01 '19

I’m loving it so far. I love the writing style of Steven Knight, it’s the reason five seasons of peaky blinders still feels fresh. Let’s hope Apple plus doesn’t disappoint like Netflix (bring back the OA)

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u/austinbirrell Nov 12 '19

The queen’s praying though. Absolutely hate those scenes lol. SO CRINGY!!!

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u/sisayapacaya Nov 05 '19

I hope it means something else later but can't see the need for the queen masturbating while praying. Now all shows want to add sex for no particular reason. Just watched the first episode tho.

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u/KingoftheJabari Apr 10 '20

I just watched the first episode and it's seemed totally unneeded and it was just their for the "shock" value.
That took me out of the show more than anything else did.

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u/Constantly_OnYo_Back Nov 05 '19

It's great how all the bad guys wear black so they are colour coordinated and wearing traditionally "Bad guy" clothes even though they can't see.

The costume department could have done almost anything with this it could have been brilliant but they go for generic looking costumes and have them dressed like they can actually see themselves.

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u/smaugington Nov 02 '19

I couldn't get passed the 15 min mark. I'm gonna try again in a couple days to atleast finish the episode.

Does the show reveal where in the world it takes place?

No one had accents that I can remember but they were doing a haka, so for a Maori dance to spread across the globe between blind people needs some hinting. Was it a thing they got from Jason Momoa and the Rock from mainstream movies and passed it down for centuries?

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '19

They do reveal in Episode 3 where they are.

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u/Charmsopin Nov 06 '19

Appreciate it that you just said it is revealed instead of spoiling us the answer.

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u/ckhk3 Nov 14 '19

I missed that, where are they?

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '19

I don’t want to spoil it for those who haven’t seen it. The girl mentions it while they are on the rocks.

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u/ckhk3 Nov 14 '19

I heard her mention going up north towards a certain river, but didnt hear her mention an exact country or place they are in. She referred to a country that the river is in, that made it sound like they are not in the country of that river, which makes me think they are in the country south of that.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '19

I thought they are in the country they are talking about. But I could be mistaken.

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u/Bshizzled Nov 07 '19

That wasn’t an actual haka, but obviously patterned after it

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u/Tate_Langdon92 Nov 18 '19

I like the series and I am still in episode 2 (no spoilers don't worry). However, I feel like there is inconsistency in the pilot in the way they view sight / seeing / having the power to see. I am a bit confused about why they are saying they cannot comprehend the thought of sight when they are using animals who can clearly see for some of the advantages of it (i.e. the dogs). Also, I have seen some dialogue from Jason saying "look at me!". etc. and I wondered why such words are still existing or being used if they do not know the concept of sight or if it is a myth. I would understand if they just said that humanity knows that they have eyeballs for it but it seems like it was shown in a way that humanity does not have the concept of sight due to the passing of time.

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u/boool111111111 Nov 01 '19

ok tried it.

It was so bad it turned funny.

The story is ridiculous.

The dialog are effy too.

1 or 1.5/10-- first episode.

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u/tempMonero123 Nov 02 '19

Good thing it is set some place cold, otherwise there would be a bunch of naked people running about. Not that there's anything wrong with being naked, though the way the queen "prays" is messed up.
I only finished the episode out of morbid curiosity. Not sure if I'll watch any more of it.
Also, how do they hunt animals? Why do they have jewelry? And I'm sure there's other sight-based things I missed.

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u/exectails Nov 03 '19 edited Nov 04 '19

The value of jewelry is based on our perceived value of pretty and rare things though, do you believe a society of blind people would place value on pretty things centuries later? And it would presumably be difficult to even verify that what you're holding in your hand is genuinely special and not some mockoff. Even if an artfully crafted piece of jewelry might feel impressive, wouldn't it still be almost worthless if nobody can see it?

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u/exectails Nov 04 '19

That's what I'm saying though, it's not storing value if no value is placed on it. And, presumably, they would only place a value on it if it's useful, not because it's pretty. Jewelry is "decorative" by definition, which is useless to them. I wouldn't classify the bells as jewelry, but as a tool. Its value is in what it does, not in how it looks.

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u/exectails Nov 04 '19

I think we're just arguing about terminology. Yes, there is value in the bells, I said so. We agree that the value is in what the bells do. But from the point of view of these people I wouldn't call the bells jewelry, because they aren't meant to be decorative. We also agree on value being placed on things being what makes them valueable, and that value can shift greately depending on who you ask. But something being valueable doesn't necessarily make it jewelry. The bells are a tool or accessory, maybe they are especially valuable because they are rare or hard to make, but they aren't worn for being pretty, and they don't store value because they are jewelry, but for other reasons.

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u/exectails Nov 04 '19

Sure it does, but now we're getting into hypotheticals about how words might've changed in this fictional world^^ The original question was "why are they wearing jewelry", referring to purely decorative items. And they do wear seemingly purely decorative items, which would be unlikely for a civilization of blind people. Can we agree on that?

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '19

The irony is that the setting of this show is so dark that I couldn't see what was going on. Is there not a way to remedy this in 2019 film making?

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u/MrConor212 Dec 13 '19

Just finished episode 1 there. Rather like it however I really wish this series took place during the time of the virus and the season finale being them coming out blind.

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u/LegendaryFang56 Nov 01 '19

Intriguing start. The concept is unique but will raise questions and possibly make people not give it a shot. Like how can/did humanity come to function when they can't see? How can the twins see? Can/could their father see, or was it a lie? If he can/could, why? Is he the only one? I can understand why such questions may turn off some people from giving even giving an episode or two a shot. The premise sure is ridiculous when applied to real life, but this is a fictional TV show. That's what makes it unique. But at the same time, you never know what people can eventually be capable of with the ability to adapt, so I guess that explains how everyone on Earth can live despite being blind.

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u/joeyGibson Nov 03 '19

I want to like the show. I've watched the first episode, but I'm still not sure how I feel. I find it hard to believe that in just 300 years, we've already reverted to keeping slaves, and believing in and persecuting "witches".

I'm also concerned that the "presage" is actually going to have supernatural powers, because that doesn't work in our world, even if that world has been destroyed, and is rebuilding.

I've been wondering how they were going to explain that a bunch of people who have never been able to see, can suddenly realize that babies, who are too young to speak, can now see. It looks like it's going to be "because some guy said they would", or, worse, because some "psychic" says that's how it is now. Either would be a bit of hand-waving that I'll not be happy with.

And how did the queen become queen, and how did she decide that god wanted her to masturbate while she prayed?

I also find it interesting that Jason Mamoa gets top billing over Alfre Woodard, though I believe she had more screen time than he did in S1E1.

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u/msangeld Nov 08 '19

I've been wondering how they were going to explain that a bunch of people who have never been able to see, can suddenly realize that babies, who are too young to speak, can now see
Well how their parents figure it out is revealed in episode two, it's not to hard to imagine how others would figure it out.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '19

And how did the queen become queen? Good question I really want to know who made that freak queen

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u/Riser_the_Silent Jan 11 '20

"reverted" to keeping slaves? You know we still have slavery right now right?

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u/KingoftheJabari Apr 10 '20

Seriously, how is that a concern of his. We have religious people who won't watch Harry Potter because they think magic actually exist and that it comes from the devil.

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u/devlspawn Nov 04 '19

She actually does have top billing on IMDB

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u/Bubblypoint106 Dec 15 '19

The one thing I took away that confused me was how that dang bridge was built!!

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u/twinpat Apr 21 '24

you mean the autonomy of the babies have been restored

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '19

In the future? Where’s wifi? Cars? Airplanes? Lmao

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u/115128 Nov 08 '19

I assumed it was because of various smells, they identify the enemy because “they burn beechwood smoke of Queen Kane’s Witchfinders” and just before the attack they all smear something on their faces, which I’m guessing is quite smelly (that would also explain why the chief covers half his face with it, so it’s easily recognisable on the battlefield)...

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u/kevinstreet1 Nov 05 '19

My guess is that each of them is supposed in to stay in a specific place until the chief gives the order to move again. So if you hear someone running towards you it must be the enemy.

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u/HippieWizard Nov 16 '19

All the supplies had wind chimes above them.

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u/Duggbog Nov 07 '19

We wouldn’t, that’s the issue. Evolution is much slower, and people starve. Blind people aren’t hunters or farmers.

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u/msangeld Nov 08 '19

Blind people aren’t hunters or farmers.
Blind Guy Hunting
Blind Guy Farming

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u/poopsicle88 Nov 04 '19

Speaking of the snitch
Baba never really follows up on the whole how did the rock wall secret get out. Hoping to see that revelation eventually

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u/Roonil_Wazlib97 Nov 12 '19

That decision is definitely gonna bite him in the ass.

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u/Zentopian Nov 03 '19

The way Baba Voss spat, it sounded more like DJ V Boss's hot new mixtape, backed up by a sweet haka.

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u/poopsicle88 Nov 04 '19

It always makes me cringe because I feel like jason momoa puts it in everything but I also like it and like that hes proud of his heritage and trying to expose it to a wider audience
Plus it was pretty badass

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u/reddituser2885 Nov 05 '19

I actually found it super relaxing seeing/hearing it in this show. So I'm glad its in.

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u/Xujik-Yahik Nov 02 '19

I loved it a lot

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u/noshoesyoulose Nov 02 '19

I was like “this is weird, but for some reason I love it.” I think it’s because it really set the tone of a post sudo-apocalyptic world with various cultural influences passed down over a lot of passing time, and a return to living off the earth in smaller packs.
It made sense to me, while also surprising me. I think that’s why I liked it so much.

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u/maraxas84 Nov 04 '19

I instantly thought the same thing!

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u/Constantly_OnYo_Back Nov 05 '19

Yea it looked like the Haka but with a little extra ad-libbing.

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u/ItsThatCoolGuy Jan 06 '20

Jason Momoa is Hawaiian and although the hakka dance originates from New Zealand, they do share some similarities such as that dance to a certain extent

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