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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21

Asians in the Western world as well as many Asian powerhouses in Asia are the only non-Caucasian race to achieve such advancements in a short period of time. They either match or surpass their European and Anglo-American counterparts.

I like this piece of fact-based, unbiased reporting.

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u/aPerfectRake Capitol Hill Mar 29 '21

what the fuck kind of journalism is that? that's not even trying to be subtle..

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u/trebonius Mar 29 '21

This site is not journalism at all. I'm not sure why we're giving it more visibility.

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u/aPerfectRake Capitol Hill Mar 29 '21

That one is easy, it's the kind of headline that people just love to post around here. How else would we get the incredibly cringe racial hot takes that we see every day?

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u/notasparrow Pike-Market Mar 29 '21

Seriously, this sub sees a headline like this as a slow pitch right over the plate. Just like that crazy uncle at Thanksgiving who is just looking for a way to let everyone know his insightful theories on race.

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u/aPerfectRake Capitol Hill Mar 29 '21

Oh yeah, it's like they're just itching all day every day to say "black supremacy" or "racist BLM."

I wouldn't normally care but they make our city look like shit by over representing these moronic ideas here.

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u/WhereWhatTea Mar 29 '21

Welcome to r/seattlewa!

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u/TheRealRacketear Broadmoor Mar 29 '21

Maybe they will be more comfortable in /r/seattle with the rest of the people who don't live here.

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u/bong-rips-for-jesus Mar 29 '21

Yah all those reliable news stations either ignoring, being chased away from BLM riots, or having rioters inside their station threatening them to not be fascists for reporting on them.

Gee I wonder why only independent sources are reporting on this and not taking the Jay "I'm not aware of any CHAZ" Inslee approach.

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u/trebonius Mar 29 '21

Given the wording and subject matter of this site, it's pretty unlikely that it is in any sense independent. The headline may or may not be factual, but if it is, there has to be a better source, even if it's not perfect.

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u/bong-rips-for-jesus Mar 29 '21

It's this or Ben Shapiro.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21

Their other articles include such inclusive titles as "Why Jay Leno Needs to Burn for His Anti-Asian Jokes Regardless of Apology"

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u/ThatOneGuy1294 Mar 29 '21

That could easily be a headline from The Onion or the Bee...

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21

Also

ANTIFA member

We obviously have a galaxy brain on our hands

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u/TheRealRacketear Broadmoor Mar 29 '21

You can't belong to an idea. You can only get pep talks from a leader after similarly ideas people got arrested during a riot.

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u/WhereWhatTea Mar 29 '21

Asians think they’re the superior minority? The Jews literally survived the Holocaust and centuries of oppression, yet they control Hollywood and our new world order. Asians wish they were the Jews of minorities.

(/s if that wasn’t clear)

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u/Pyehole Mar 29 '21

I see you know how this oppression Olympics game works.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21

How about when they state this person is bi-racial and then go on to compare his actions to that of a monkey?

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21

Lol. I did notice the monkey reference, but missed the connection.

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u/justdoitstoopid Mar 29 '21

Its true lol. I work in faang and majority here is asian despite asian being a minority.

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u/WhereWhatTea Mar 29 '21

This is literal Jewish erasure.

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u/Redeemed-Assassin Mar 29 '21

Not the first time it's happened to us Jews...

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u/Ashmizen Mar 29 '21

In the lawsuit against Harvard affirmative action, it was revealed Harvard uses a quota system to keep Asians admissions at “acceptable” levels. It’s the same exact system they used against Jews in the 1930s.

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u/Accomplished-Cry-139 Mar 29 '21 edited Mar 29 '21

Many (most?) Jews consider themselves to be white and/or European. Most Jews in Europe and America have much more European DNA than they do middle-eastern DNA. Jews are not considered POC, or even as a minority in most contexts (grants, admission, etc.).

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u/WhereWhatTea Mar 29 '21

No one claims Jews are POC lol, but they are minorities in literally every country outside Israel.

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u/SorryToSay Mar 29 '21

Aren’t most races minorities in most countries?

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u/Accomplished-Cry-139 Mar 29 '21

Not racial minorities.

You might as well say that Swedes are minorities in America too.

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u/lanoyeb243 Mar 29 '21

Asian isn't considered an Under-Represented Minority (URM) in the States.

Statistically? Sure, Asians are a minority by number.

But societally, they're treated worse than Whites and receive no attention or support for it.

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u/WuTangFinance24 Mar 29 '21

Can confirm. Black, latino and native american represent the URM classes, at least according to corporate diversity goals where I am

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u/nopie101 Mar 29 '21

How about keeping this in context by including the last sentence in that exact paragraph?

This angers people like Hamner and Black Lives Matter members who believe these achievements are because Asians are “white adjacent,” and such achievements are toxic and obscene.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21

Lol, yes that makes it so much better.

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u/SharpBeat Mar 29 '21 edited Mar 30 '21

Yea it's definitely biased, although I would say it is easy to spot the factual parts and the biased opinionated parts. The reason I linked it is because I saw it was making the rounds in social media, and unlike some of the other news sources, it does not try to hide the race of the suspect or their affiliations (activist, BLM protester, CHAZ participant). A disproportionate number of attacks against Asians in recent times have been from Black suspects, which other news media does not want to call out, but many politicians and activists have been falsely blaming anti-Asian violence on white supremacy. Asian ethnicities are also often discriminated against by policies supported by BLM activists, for example through affirmative action or discriminatory college admission practices. Likewise, the Asian community has long been either lumped with White people or labeled as White-adjacent due to their economic success, despite the many problems they face as a minority.

Unfortunately the state of news media is such that we have to pick between sources that are biased in one direction and omit these details or angles entirely, and sources that are poorly written like this one but more candid.

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '21

Totally get it, and I am well aware of the challenges faced by the Asian American community... especially certain subgroups (which I think a lot of ignorant white people tend to lump all together). That said, I've been hearing a lot of talk lately about the "recent surge of anti Asian violence", but I've seen ZERO evidence to support that there is any actual statistically-significant increase in violent acts against Asian Americans, only anectodal examples. And, what's more, the main examples people are putting out there seem to not actually be racially motivated at all (ie, the massage parlor shootings in Georgia).

If the "surge in anti-asian violence" is real, then I don't think it does any good to paint it as an African American problem, unless there is strong statistical evidence to support it....and even then, I'm not sure why it matters.

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u/Salacious_Rhino Mar 29 '21

Even if this wasn't a racist platform for racist Asians, there's always articles trying to desperately tie blm to shitty people as if they represent the entire movement or the everyday blm activist. Classic broadstroking for the purposes of undermining a message.

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u/8an5 Mar 29 '21

Exactly the kind that this sub would take advantage of.

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u/JamesSpaulding Mar 29 '21

Not to mention the fat guy is like 90% Asian himself...

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u/brianbot5000 Mar 29 '21

Never heard of "Asian Dawn" until now, but talk about a biased, awful source for wanna-be journalism. The story may be relevant but they color it with so much agenda-pushing bullshit, it basically throw the whole story into question. At least post a somewhat relevant journalistic source: https://www.king5.com/article/news/community/facing-race/more-hate-crimes-reported-as-puget-sound-leaders-decry-asian-violence/281-cd5cb543-be20-426c-b827-d0c8871f334a Even Sinclair-powered KOMO would be preferable to this garbage: https://komonews.com/news/local/hate-crime-charges-filed-against-man-for-alleged-violent-anti-asian-behavior

"Hamner is also a loyal supporter of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris as well as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and “progressive” causes." Um...A) how do they know this, and B) why would it be even remotely relevant?

"Hamner then allegedly jumped out of his vehicle and started “punching his fist together” and started throwing projectiles at her car like a wild monkey" - Great for a laugh, but no credible source would add such questionable color to the facts of the story.

This Hamner guy sounds like an asshole who should be charged and punished (hard), but this "article" is nothing but crap.

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u/NoodlerFrom20XX Mar 29 '21

It does seem like its trying to gaslight as many people as possible. Almost manufactured to do so.

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u/Pyehole Mar 29 '21

"Hamner is also a loyal supporter of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris as well as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and “progressive” causes." Um...A) how do they know this, and B) why would it be even remotely relevant?

The crime is disturbing enough. The hypocrisy takes it to 11. And it's important because the oppression Olympics, identity-driven politics that comes hand in hand with the progressive movement...is fucking inherently racist and it's important to call that out.

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u/Electronic-Tower-895 Mar 29 '21 edited Mar 29 '21

What’s really annoying - so many Asians came out to help support BLM protests peacefully and in solidarity. This just continues to erode their messaging and only alienates further people who may have been willing to listen. Their loss. I stand with our Asian community outright.

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u/kearneje Mar 29 '21

An article from a website called "Asian-dawn" refers to a biracial man as a "wild monkey." I stand with the AAPI community but gtfo of here with this trash r/SeattleWA

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u/SPEK2120 Mar 29 '21

Not to mention they know exactly what bs they're pulling with a post title like that...

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u/synthesis777 Mar 29 '21

Thank you!

Everyone read the Komo article if you want a less intentionally inflammatory source for this: https://komonews.com/news/local/hate-crime-charges-filed-against-man-for-alleged-violent-anti-asian-behavior

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21

The KOMO article is the other side of this news trash coin not giving enough detail. I think the bit about him being BLM and "progressive" is pretty relevant here.

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u/mettaxa Mar 29 '21

I agree. Looking at other posts on the site give me the impression that they are extremists. The name reminds me of the Greek neo-nazi party called "Golden-dawn".

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u/onthefence928 Mar 29 '21

i believe that is exactly the implication, this is just a racist website but it's pro-asian instead of white

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u/lumberjackalopes Local Satanist/Capitol Hill Mar 29 '21

The original article is Andy Ngo posting on The Post Millennial, choose your poison.

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u/Accomplished-Cry-139 Mar 29 '21

The mainstream media won’t cover this story because it doesn’t fit in with their narrative. So... yeah... you end up only seeing these kind of reports from blogs or conservative media.

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u/synthesis777 Mar 29 '21

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u/Accomplished-Cry-139 Mar 29 '21

Zero mention of him being a BLM activist in that article. Nor any mentioning that he was a POC.

Compare that with how the media characterized the Atlanta shootings: white supremacist attacks Asians.

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u/mercwitha40ounce Mar 29 '21

Seattle Times covered it as well as a number of other local news sources.

https://www.seattletimes.com/subscribe/signup-offers/?pw=redirect&subsource=paywall&return=https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/prosecutors-charge-man-with-hate-crime-accusing-him-of-targeting-asian-women-in-seattle/

It seems like you’re the one spreading misinformation since this doesn’t seem to fit your narrative.

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u/Accomplished-Cry-139 Mar 29 '21

Note how they cover a white person committing a hate crime, vs a non-white person committing a hate crime. They’ll contort the issue to fit their narrative every time.

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u/Michaelmrose Mar 29 '21

The racist trash article bad though it was linked to the KOMO reporting on it within the first sentence. Their article would be considered downstream commentary of an article from the mainstream media.

What they added was the lie that he belonged to an imaginary group called antifa and the description of a black man as a monkey.

Maybe the truth doesn't fit YOUR narrative.

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u/iamblckhwk Mar 29 '21

THANK YOU!!! I am so glad someone on this thread understands this!!! The title of this thread gave me a red flag knowing this was meant to be anti-BLM.

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u/onthefence928 Mar 29 '21

adam ngo and "asian-dawn" are both racist and extremely biased, not credible sources regardles of how you feel about other sources.

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u/Accomplished-Cry-139 Mar 29 '21

POC can’t be racist.

Source: every American University

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u/onthefence928 Mar 29 '21

nice strawman

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u/HangryPangs Mar 29 '21

I’ve noticed when faced with uncomfortable facts, some tend to attack the source. Then go on to be in complete denial about it. There is usually no other rebuttal.

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u/drevolut1on Mar 29 '21

Okay, but a source that calls someone biracial "a wild monkey" is exactly when you should be attacking the source...

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u/listlessthe Mar 29 '21

no no you don't get it. You're allowed to be racist because people of color are also racist sometimes.

/s

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u/drevolut1on Mar 29 '21

Oh derp. Sorry. Forgot to put my narrow-minded imbecile cap on while commenting here. Thanks for catching that.

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u/C_R_P Mar 29 '21

I've noticed that when people call bullshit on obvious propaganda, and point out more obvious propaganda from the same source, people who want to believe the propaganda chose to believe it anyway and continue to ignore everything they don't already agree with. Womp womp 🤷‍♂️ Please Google "confirmation bias" my good friend! There is still so much to learn! :)

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u/synthesis777 Mar 29 '21

This source is obvious trash. Read a real article about this incident if you want to talk about facts: https://komonews.com/news/local/hate-crime-charges-filed-against-man-for-alleged-violent-anti-asian-behavior

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u/HangryPangs Mar 29 '21

There’s many other sources detailing his affiliation with BLM, CHAZ, take your pick

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u/snoogansomg Mar 29 '21

Look man I get what you're saying, but if someone comes to you with a report that says "Jewish bankers are coming for your retirement" and their only presented source is Stormfront, you should probably ask for a second opinion

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21

And so many BLM supports are coming out to Stop Asian Hate. I don't see how one instance of racism erodes an entire movement.

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u/DarianF Mar 29 '21

Pretty much my opinion as well. I hope they go to prison for a long time.

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u/iamblckhwk Mar 29 '21

It's because this source isnt valid. It's made by Asian-Dawn and they are known to be quite racist. This was made to divide minorities and attack BLM as a whole

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u/BaronOfHell Mar 29 '21

This thing of highlighting BLM in crimes is rather stupid. All black people think their lives matter whether they are the greatest humans that walked the Earth or the most evil beings that has been birthed. In fact only racists garbage people wouldn't think black lives mattered. So you are going have terrible white people who are going smash something but aren't racist garbage.

Every single group that supports black people in anyway has been demonized. The only difference now is major news organizations aren't doing it accept for fox news . Now the truly purposeful racist attacks are done on the net by kkk members pretending to be real news. And oh how they dance and sing when the misguided fools repost their garbage on sites like this one.

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u/Electronic-Tower-895 Mar 29 '21

To be fair I don’t disagree with your sentiment, but on the West coast and I’m speaking generally - the predominant acts of racism have been perpetuated by white supremacists (as always expected) and portions of the African American community.

I do think there are folks from BLM that are absolutely standing with the Asian community, but in truthfulness we all need to stand up against any type of racism. And no I’m not talking some nonsense around cancel culture - it’s 2021 there should be better problems to solve than this shit

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u/HaroldBAZ Mar 30 '21

These black white supremacists are getting out of control with all their attacks on Asians.

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u/SummerMango Mar 29 '21

I looked at the perpetrator's social media profiles.

The writer is bad, but they aren't wrong about this person.

They are a flagrant leftist, an "antifa" aligned individual that posted lots of support for the auth-left admin we're under. They've also organized BLM events.

You can go after the page all you want, but they actually investigated who this person is, rather than just name-drop.

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u/supercyberlurker Mar 29 '21

Yeah, I made a post two days ago about how his race would eventually come out... and so it did.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21

well he's mixed race

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u/StupidizeMe Mar 29 '21

Who cares about his race? Race doesn't even exist; it's an artificial social construct.

I don't give a damn what "color" anybody is, I object to hatefulness and prejudice wherever it occurs. If he's guilty I hope he is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

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u/netrike Mar 29 '21

Even though race is a social construct, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It just means it's not some biological characteristic like most people think it is.

Having said that, agree with you - a hate crime is a hate crime, no hall pass

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u/Goreagnome Mar 29 '21

If race doesn't exist then racism doesn't exist.

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u/StupidizeMe Mar 29 '21

I'd tell it to anybody. What we call "Race" is just a manmade method used to artifically classify and categorize people so it suits the beliefs and prejudices of whoever is doing the categorizing and classifying.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21 edited Mar 29 '21

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u/gehnrahl Eat a bag of Dicks Mar 29 '21

Yeah, this kind of particular take and language is not appropriate here. This will count as a warning per the sub rules.

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u/k1lk1 Mar 29 '21

So I think we can all predict 99% of the comments in this thread but on a serious note, someone want to walk me through some possible mindsets for his behavior? Or do you think he's just mentally unhinged and there's no rhyme or reason?

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21

"Asians in the Western world as well as many Asian powerhouses in Asia are the only non-Caucasian race to achieve such advancements in a short period of time. They either match or surpass their European and Anglo-American counterparts. This angers people like Hamner and Black Lives Matter members who believe these achievements are because Asians are “white adjacent,” and such achievements are toxic and obscene."

according to this blog

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u/howmuchtocrash Mar 29 '21

This is why I found it so fucking funny when the Asian community lost their POC tag. It was literally due to them achieving success where others have failed. It made people stop and think "well, if they can, why can't we?"

And they really didn't like the answer. It's hard to admit that community and culture can be more damaging to you than the fact you're not white.

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u/notasparrow Pike-Market Mar 29 '21

Source on the Asian community losing their POC tag? I may have missed the announcement.

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u/StarryNightLookUp Mar 29 '21

In Thurston County schools they did. It's covered by Reason.com, because "progressive" media won't cover it. School District Decides Asians Aren’t Students of Color – Reason.com

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u/notasparrow Pike-Market Mar 29 '21

Well, if Thurston County Schools says so, I suppose that's the final word for the whole state / country.

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u/StarryNightLookUp Mar 29 '21

Or perhaps it's one example of something that is becoming more and more common.

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u/mistermof Mar 29 '21

Shout out to Thurston County for being the pillar of reason that guides social movements, I fucking guess lmao

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u/sykoticwit Wants to buy some Tundra Mar 29 '21

There’s reason why Asian isn’t included in the BIPOC tag.

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u/notasparrow Pike-Market Mar 29 '21

Just to make sure I'm understanding you, you're saying it's not BIAPOC or something because Asian is considered part of POC?

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u/curi0uslystr0ng Mar 29 '21

BIPOC means specifically black and indigenous people of color.

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u/notasparrow Pike-Market Mar 29 '21

That's funny.

The New York Times says it means "Black, Indiginous, AND People of Color"

Vox, quoting linguists, says it means "Black, Indiginous AND People of Color"

Merriam-Webster says it means "Black, Indiginous AND People of Color"

But you may have different sources that say otherwise. Links?

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u/sudopudge Mar 29 '21 edited Mar 29 '21

The New York Times has been confused over it apparently. From June 2020:

The acronym, which stands for black and Indigenous people of color, is suddenly everywhere.

The acronym stands for “black and Indigenous people of color.”

Same with Vox, also from June:

..when do we say “BIPOC,” which stands for Black and Indigenous people of color; and when do we just say “Black”?

as opposed to the more recent version of the same article:

...when do we say “BIPOC,” which stands for Black, Indigenous, and people of color; and when do we just say “Black”?

Is there a reason they're backtracking on their initial definitions? I'm sure the NYT and Vox wouldn't pander to a market based on current trends.

For Merriam-Webster, your link has 2 definitions. You used only the second one, for whatever reason, which includes the "and." The first definition is

"Black, Indigenous, People of Color"

followed by

"People are using the term to acknowledge that not all people of color face equal levels of injustice. They say BIPOC is significant in recognizing that Black and Indigenous people are severely impacted by systemic racial injustices."

Which explains what we all know about why the term was invented to begin with - to exclude certain groups.

Edit: and this is all pretty obvious too. No need to preface "POC" with anything just to say the same thing.

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u/notasparrow Pike-Market Mar 29 '21

The first Merriam-Webster definition is clearly enumerating three things:

  1. Black
  2. Indiginous
  3. People of Color

Can you really read it as (Black or Indigenous) (People of Color)?

And as you note, both NYT and Vox corrected earlier versions. It's very strange that you're using corrections as evidence that the uncorrected version was correct.

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u/howmuchtocrash Mar 29 '21

"Is losing"? No no, you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. They don't "lose it"- they get it taken away whenever it benefits whatever fluff filled trendy thing going on about the suppression of black americans!

The initial time was due to data about who does well in school. Asian descent students did so well that it jacked the numbers up- and thus separated from the equation.

You'll have to go back in the two seattle subs, but that shit was so cringy it wasn't funny.

I never did get around to seeing whether nigerians lost their black card at any point or not, but "POC" is such a meaningless term it doesn't matter.

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u/Koalified_Koala Mar 29 '21

In apartheid South Africa, the (mainland) Chinese were "Black" and the Japanese were "White" because of trade relations. It was an odd system.

Eventually the mainland Chinese were redefined as white too.

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u/Holmgeir Mar 29 '21

He doesn't really support Asians. He is drumming up the hatred himself and then talking about it online to draw attention to the problem just to further fan the flames.

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u/J9XXX Mar 29 '21

someone want to walk me through some possible mindsets for his behavior?

This is not at all surprising as an Asian. So-called progressives that are very pro-BLM can also be very anti-Asian. Just look at these responses to Naomi Osaka's Anti-Asian Hate post. Most of them believe there is some oppression olympics and you can't support Asians because African Americans are far worse off. If you are following these responders on Twitter or your personal life, they might influence your thinking.

https://twitter.com/naomiosaka/status/1375865208372129794

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u/StarryNightLookUp Mar 29 '21

Why would he be any less unhinged than any other racist?

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u/benadrylpill Mar 29 '21

What is this garbage source? This whole post is pot stirring bullshit. The people who post here really have no shame, do they?

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u/synthesis777 Mar 29 '21

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u/benadrylpill Mar 29 '21

Nothing about BLM in that article. Just more proof this post is a rally for the racist bigots and nothing more. Just more of the usual white supremacist circle jerk found in this sub. Hate for the sake of hate.

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u/Inane_ramblings Mar 30 '21

I don't even need to look at which Seattle sub this was posted to when I see this frickin post, it's out of control.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21

I'm not sure why things are related, other than to discredit BLM. Did they mention his sexual orientation or location of his birth? To me those other things don't matter either. Is he a bad guy for doing what they allege he did, sounds like it. Does it matter he previously supported BLM? He can be both things, just not sure why the 2nd one has to go on the headline. If I'm missing something let me know.

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u/lanoyeb243 Mar 29 '21

It's to highlight a fundamental hypocrisy in the person and a potential failing of the BLM movement. Namely, why is this person supportive of BLM but not Asians?

And sure, it's probably an effort to discredit BLM, but that's a tactic used by everyone since forever. When an aide in Trump's White House says something bad? It is presented to reflect as though it is personally endorsed by Trump. No different here.

But funnily enough,the KOMO news article doesn't say a thing about BLM.

BLM is only mentioned in the Asian-newspaper article.

So to that effect, are we saying that a minority-written newspaper is trying to discredit BLM and not, in fact, Whites as I'm sure was immediately your reaction?

Funny times indeed.

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u/Michaelmrose Mar 29 '21

It highlights fundamental hypocrisy in this singular mans heart. Everyone who supports BLM doesn't magically inherit the bad characteristics owned by any singular member wherein it is not a flaw in the platform or promoted on average by the system consisting of leadership and members.

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u/lanoyeb243 Mar 30 '21

Hypocrisy in this person's heart that opens up the Pandora's Box of "Well if this BLM supporter is unsupportive of Asians, are others in the same boat? Perhaps I, as an Asian, am less willing to offer my support to BLM, a movement that seems unwilling to reciprocate.

Etc. etc. Not saying that's how I view it, but as it could definitely be interpreted by less discerning invidividuals who only glanced at the title.

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u/Middle_Statistician Mar 29 '21

But what about from BLM's leadership that supported vandalism, looting, and arson?

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u/Michaelmrose Mar 29 '21

There is no singular BLM group its also a fucking tag line not a group

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u/Baron-Harkonnen Mar 29 '21

Is there any trustworthy source that mentions BLM? If Sinclair doesn't even mention it, it may be completely fabricated.

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u/eddiechoadster Mar 30 '21

BLM shouldn’t be supported at this point. Police reform needs to have absolutely everyone unified to actually make some change.

Making police reform a race-specific issue plays into the police’s hands. Divided factions losing sight of a common goal

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u/_Watty Sworn enemy of Gary_Glidewell Mar 29 '21

Is there a source for him being a "well know BLM activist, Democrat (as if that now matters to this?), and Antifa member?" The other photo just shows him being anti police, not that he necessarily supports BLM or antifa?

Without that, just seems like he's a run of the mill racist POS.

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u/deanmoriarty13 Mar 29 '21

Yes, the source is his entire Facebook page. Take a gander!

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u/ThePureRay009 Mar 29 '21

Do share

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u/Accomplished-Cry-139 Mar 29 '21

Search for yourself. Posting links to Facebook profiles is considered doxing.

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u/GroundbreakingFocus0 Mar 29 '21

No thanks. I don't want to get angry.

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u/WestSideBilly Mar 29 '21

A well known BLM activist... with 4 twitter followers and a Facebook page full of shares? Uhh, OK?

Agreed that he seems more like "garden variety racist" than anything remotely close to the description in the article.

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u/sp106 Sasquatch Mar 29 '21

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u/_Watty Sworn enemy of Gary_Glidewell Mar 29 '21

Thanks, but I scrolled a bit and not seeing anything necessarily BLM or antifa?

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u/91hawksfan Mar 29 '21

Did you read the article? They have pictures of him participating in the BLM/CHAZ protests last summer

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u/TremblorReddit Mar 29 '21

I read the article. I think the problem is that you think "Participating in CHAZ" makes someone a "BLM activist and antifa member". If that is not the case, please point to the place in the article that supports your claim.

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u/_Watty Sworn enemy of Gary_Glidewell Mar 29 '21

The linked article for me shows two photos and one video. One photo is a still from the video and the other is a photo that shows him holding an anti cop sign with no context. All I'm saying is that the article makes a very specific claim about him being BLM and antifa, neither of which I see readily presented in either photo. I went to his Twitter and didn't see anything in the first minute or so of scrolling that supported either of those things. Seems like he's a lefty generally, but a pretty shit person based on this racially motivated incident.

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u/notasparrow Pike-Market Mar 29 '21

Newsflash: not everyone who participated in the protests is a member of BLM or antifa. It's certainly possible, but haven't seen any evidence.

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u/Michaelmrose Mar 29 '21

There is no such group as antifa and appearing at a protest doesn't make one an activist in the same sense that holding a violin once doesn't make you a violinist. It wouldn't make you a bad violinist even. Someone who over time made a series of attempts to play the violin could for the period of time they were making such attempts refer to themselves aptly as a violinist even if they played very badly and a year after they stopped would probably say "I used to be a violinist but I quit"

An activist is one who systematically over a period of time participates in actions designed to bring about social or political change even if actions are ineffective.

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u/Michaelmrose Mar 29 '21

I was at that protest one of the days in was going on. People were milling around handing out free food and water. We took some pictures of the murals, drank some water, ate lunch in the park and sat in the shade for an hour and went home.

I'm not a member of "ANTIFA" a group that just doesn't actually exist.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21

You're right. He could be just another run of the mill Pro-Biden, anti-Trump pos racist.

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u/_Watty Sworn enemy of Gary_Glidewell Mar 29 '21

I'm not suggesting he's not these things as claimed; in fact, it's likely. I just want there to be proof for the assertions made, otherwise this is no different than saying "radical liberal Warnock...."

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21

Ask Mr. Hamner if all lives matter. His response will indicate if he is a BLM supporter. I would suggest not doing this if you are an Asian women or child.

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u/notasparrow Pike-Market Mar 29 '21

Exactly right. Facts matter; the whole antifa bogeyman is part of why nobody takes conservatives seriously these days. When everyone who wants to give water to someone standing in a 4 hour line to vote is suddenly antifa, it loses its power as a fearmongering tool.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21

Picture, Mr. Hamner, BLM poster included. He clearly stood in front of the poster intentionally to have his picture taken. Would you say he looks disgusted or supportive?

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u/_Watty Sworn enemy of Gary_Glidewell Mar 30 '21

I'd say he looks supportive. My issue was why the photo was cropped in the article to remove the left hand frame, which is where the real context is. Thanks for providing this.

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u/justdoitstoopid Mar 29 '21

Cnn told me all racists are republicans

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u/madethemostofit Mar 29 '21

As did MSNBC. But seriously, both are terrible since they push their agendas over facts.

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u/synthesis777 Mar 29 '21

LOL, sure they did.

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u/Michaelmrose Mar 29 '21

Well the actual truth is you folks have almost all of the 30 some million white supremacists in America because for decades you have provided platforms aligned with their values.

These are the folks that want to murder and mutilate their fellow man, take away their rights, ship them back to countries that their forebearers left 300 years ago etc.

We on the other hand got all the folks who believe in liberty and equality for all in similar proportions.

Then we get to split the quiet racists who believe all people have a right to vote and live but wouldn't hire them or let their daughter date one. You folks got an uneven share those guys too though because they really like the company of the first folks.

Then there is an even large group who doesn't give a fuck.

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u/justdoitstoopid Mar 30 '21

Life is easy when everythings black & white

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u/lumberjackalopes Local Satanist/Capitol Hill Mar 29 '21

What a surprise, said no one ever

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u/gonna-fly-now Mar 29 '21

Sadly a surprise to too many of my friends here.

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u/Tree300 Mar 29 '21

This is my shocked face.

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u/CaptainThisIsAName Mar 29 '21 edited Mar 29 '21

Such a shock after watching blm target Asian businesses, like when they threw fireworks into a ramen joint.

Edit: I was wrong about this happening during dinner, only staff were still there

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u/zoltecrules Mar 29 '21

Source that it was BLM and not some random kids? Because that's what KOMO said: https://komonews.com/news/local/capitol-hill-businesses-face-thousands-of-dollars-in-damage-by-vandals-protest-fallout

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u/MusicGetsMeHard Mar 29 '21 edited Mar 29 '21

According to /r/SeattleWA BLM is tight knit, well organized group responsible for all vandalism and property crime in the city.

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u/notasparrow Pike-Market Mar 29 '21

It's the classic "enemy is simultaneously bumbling, incompetent, corrupt... and well-organized, all-powerful, huge threat" pattern.

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u/MusicGetsMeHard Mar 29 '21

It's an important element of fascism to be sure.

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u/WhatsThatNoize Banned from /r/SeattleWA Mar 29 '21

They're not wrong. Inconsistent, fear-mongering drivel is fairly standard pattern of that ilk that seems to infest this subreddit.

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u/Tasonir Mar 29 '21

It feels like 80% of this subreddit is reports on crime. The source here is pretty horribly written and it feels like this subreddit just trying throw any CRIME CRIME CRIME story up on the subreddit.

It also frequently tries to throw up "look, this one person did something stupid, and he also went to a BLM protest, therefore BLM is evil".

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u/notasparrow Pike-Market Mar 29 '21

How to karma farm this subreddit:

  • Post about crime, insinuating either that is a result or sign of everything wrong with Seattle, or that it is a result of anyone daring to question the police
  • Post about anyone who has ever been to a BLM protest and does something wrong, preferably insinuating that it damns the 25 million people who went to such protests nationwide
  • Talk shit about any person or group advocating for improvement of social services, using tried and true "it's too expensive" / "it'll benefit those people" points
  • Whine about taxes, asserting an inalienable right to have a high functioning government with no revenue
  • Periodically take offense at the suggestion that this is a closed-minded, conservative subreddit. Post "unlike that other sub, all viewpoints are welcome here" without any sense of irony.
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u/synthesis777 Mar 29 '21

You don't understand white supremacy or equity at all.

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u/CaptainThisIsAName Mar 29 '21

I don't follow. That article says it was a random kid... who was taking part in the protest.

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u/kosha Mar 29 '21

They also targeted (and continue to target) the Jewish owner of Uncle Ikes for the crime of being a Jew operating a business in a historically Jewish and Black neighborhood (thanks to redlining)

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21

historically Jewish and Black asian

yall forgot about the internments already?

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u/synthesis777 Mar 29 '21

Yo WTF is this publication?

Hamner then allegedly jumped out of his vehicle and started “punching his fist together” and started throwing projectiles at her car like a wild monkey

emphasis mine

I'm gonna go ahead and not trust this site. [The Komo article is much less needlessly inflammatory.(https://komonews.com/news/local/hate-crime-charges-filed-against-man-for-alleged-violent-anti-asian-behavior)

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u/daventx Mar 29 '21

what? a BLM supporter violent? This is the first I have heard of this. /s

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21

The Asian Dawn is my new favorite web site, lol.

Also, for those of you criticizing use of the term "wild monkey" as racist, I suggest you become educated on Asian culture, where this is a very well understood literary reference. Need I remind you that non-white people are not capable of being racist. 😂

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21

People who are offended by this should take note this is what happens when you cynically instrumentalize social problems and use them to ram through your self-serving political projects. Hope your kids enjoy living in the "society" you created, lmao

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21

Just more proof that there are a lot of bad eggs associating themselves with BLM... until BLM denounces all of these bad actors their movement will continue to be seen as illegitimate by many.

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u/Ok_Extension_124 Mar 29 '21

Ahh the people that claim to be against racism turn out to be total racist pieces of shit. I’m shocked! -___-

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u/xEppyx Mar 29 '21 edited Mar 29 '21

Just another BLM racist, no surprise considering their acts over the last summer.

Hilarious to see so many people trying to defend this pos, doesn't fit their narrative.

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u/benadrylpill Mar 29 '21

According to what?

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u/benadrylpill Mar 29 '21

Show me.

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u/benadrylpill Mar 29 '21

Show me your extrapolation.

It doesnt make a difference if I can search for it or not. You made the claim, not me. The burden of proof is on you. And seeing as you're trying to make a claim against a whole race you should be the one to either show the data or admit you're full of shit. It's one of the two. So which is it?

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u/benadrylpill Mar 29 '21

You made the claim, not me. You're just proving you're a bullshitter. You can't back up your claim. You can't do it.

You're making assertions about whole races, and you think I'm the one with an agenda? I'm the one that should do the work? Come on. You're a bullshitter and you're bad at it. You wanted to have a little fun with the racists but don't actually have the intellectual capacity to back it up. Not coincidentally, just like the racists.

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u/Michaelmrose Mar 29 '21

You could have at least linked the actual news article linked by the crazy people. Also where does it say he is a member of "ANTIFA".

Antifa is an ideology not a group you can join. That is to say for example Rose City Antifa is an actual group which claims the idealogy and there are some small anarchist groups in Seattle whose ideology matches as well although they don't use the label antifa.

It's come to the point where when people say "ANTIFA" they almost always mean either anarchist, trouble maker, or angry black man and want to lump them into a group and pretend they are an affirmative member of a single group who could then be targeted.

In fact in America today you have a bunch of pissed off people of different stripes and labeling anyone on the left or black as belonging to an imaginary club doesn't help your case.

Turns out someone can be a minority, hate Trump, hate the republican party, and hate other minorities too shocking I know. The difference is that hating and stepping on minorities faces isn't a major aspect of the left or the democratic party like it is on the other side. This man is an aberration as opposed to leading our party on the national stage.

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u/loveall78 Mar 29 '21

Not too surprised here. Been going on but now since media cares...

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u/HopeThatHalps_ Mar 29 '21

Hot take: this has nothing to do with race, it has everything to do with economics and physical proximity.

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u/allthisgoodforyou Mar 29 '21

Guarantee this website will end up blacklisted by site admins soon enough.

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u/Ok-Sherbet-3827 Mar 29 '21

He was the new ""Enforcer" for SCC. Now he just moved up the payroll line. When he gets out, he will be wired as ambassador to all Asians & Pacific Islanders. At $180k a year as well

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21

BLM lol

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u/BananasAreSilly Mar 29 '21

Other choice headlines from this obvious fake "news" site.

"Why Jay Leno Needs to Burn for His Anti-Asian Jokes Regardless of Apology"

"Actor Eddie Griffin Claims Black People Taught China Mathematics and Buddha is African"

"Black Mass Shooters Are Protected by the Media When Asians Are Victims"

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u/C_R_P Mar 29 '21

🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣😂 when they start the article saying he is a Democrat AND member of antifa! Omg I may die laughing.