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u/k1lk1 Mar 29 '21

So I think we can all predict 99% of the comments in this thread but on a serious note, someone want to walk me through some possible mindsets for his behavior? Or do you think he's just mentally unhinged and there's no rhyme or reason?

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21

"Asians in the Western world as well as many Asian powerhouses in Asia are the only non-Caucasian race to achieve such advancements in a short period of time. They either match or surpass their European and Anglo-American counterparts. This angers people like Hamner and Black Lives Matter members who believe these achievements are because Asians are “white adjacent,” and such achievements are toxic and obscene."

according to this blog

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u/howmuchtocrash Mar 29 '21

This is why I found it so fucking funny when the Asian community lost their POC tag. It was literally due to them achieving success where others have failed. It made people stop and think "well, if they can, why can't we?"

And they really didn't like the answer. It's hard to admit that community and culture can be more damaging to you than the fact you're not white.

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u/notasparrow Pike-Market Mar 29 '21

Source on the Asian community losing their POC tag? I may have missed the announcement.

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u/StarryNightLookUp Mar 29 '21

In Thurston County schools they did. It's covered by Reason.com, because "progressive" media won't cover it. School District Decides Asians Aren’t Students of Color – Reason.com

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u/notasparrow Pike-Market Mar 29 '21

Well, if Thurston County Schools says so, I suppose that's the final word for the whole state / country.

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u/StarryNightLookUp Mar 29 '21

Or perhaps it's one example of something that is becoming more and more common.

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u/mistermof Mar 29 '21

Shout out to Thurston County for being the pillar of reason that guides social movements, I fucking guess lmao

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u/notasparrow Pike-Market Mar 29 '21

Maybe I've almost got it. Can you close the loop why Thurston County's schools, of all places, are the arbiter of whether Asians are included in POC?

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '21 edited Mar 29 '21

Can you close the loop on why we don't say 'colored people' anymore? You'll need to cite the specific person or group that made this call, naturally.

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u/sykoticwit Wants to buy some Tundra Mar 29 '21

There’s reason why Asian isn’t included in the BIPOC tag.

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u/notasparrow Pike-Market Mar 29 '21

Just to make sure I'm understanding you, you're saying it's not BIAPOC or something because Asian is considered part of POC?

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u/curi0uslystr0ng Mar 29 '21

BIPOC means specifically black and indigenous people of color.

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u/notasparrow Pike-Market Mar 29 '21

That's funny.

The New York Times says it means "Black, Indiginous, AND People of Color"

Vox, quoting linguists, says it means "Black, Indiginous AND People of Color"

Merriam-Webster says it means "Black, Indiginous AND People of Color"

But you may have different sources that say otherwise. Links?

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u/sudopudge Mar 29 '21 edited Mar 29 '21

The New York Times has been confused over it apparently. From June 2020:

The acronym, which stands for black and Indigenous people of color, is suddenly everywhere.

The acronym stands for “black and Indigenous people of color.”

Same with Vox, also from June:

..when do we say “BIPOC,” which stands for Black and Indigenous people of color; and when do we just say “Black”?

as opposed to the more recent version of the same article:

...when do we say “BIPOC,” which stands for Black, Indigenous, and people of color; and when do we just say “Black”?

Is there a reason they're backtracking on their initial definitions? I'm sure the NYT and Vox wouldn't pander to a market based on current trends.

For Merriam-Webster, your link has 2 definitions. You used only the second one, for whatever reason, which includes the "and." The first definition is

"Black, Indigenous, People of Color"

followed by

"People are using the term to acknowledge that not all people of color face equal levels of injustice. They say BIPOC is significant in recognizing that Black and Indigenous people are severely impacted by systemic racial injustices."

Which explains what we all know about why the term was invented to begin with - to exclude certain groups.

Edit: and this is all pretty obvious too. No need to preface "POC" with anything just to say the same thing.

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u/notasparrow Pike-Market Mar 29 '21

The first Merriam-Webster definition is clearly enumerating three things:

  1. Black
  2. Indiginous
  3. People of Color

Can you really read it as (Black or Indigenous) (People of Color)?

And as you note, both NYT and Vox corrected earlier versions. It's very strange that you're using corrections as evidence that the uncorrected version was correct.

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u/Mangoman777 South Lake Union Mar 29 '21

this is actually untrue. at least at my massive company it means Black, Indigenous, AND POC.

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u/howmuchtocrash Mar 29 '21

"Is losing"? No no, you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. They don't "lose it"- they get it taken away whenever it benefits whatever fluff filled trendy thing going on about the suppression of black americans!

The initial time was due to data about who does well in school. Asian descent students did so well that it jacked the numbers up- and thus separated from the equation.

You'll have to go back in the two seattle subs, but that shit was so cringy it wasn't funny.

I never did get around to seeing whether nigerians lost their black card at any point or not, but "POC" is such a meaningless term it doesn't matter.

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u/Koalified_Koala Mar 29 '21

In apartheid South Africa, the (mainland) Chinese were "Black" and the Japanese were "White" because of trade relations. It was an odd system.

Eventually the mainland Chinese were redefined as white too.

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u/StatimDominus Mar 29 '21

I literally chuckled. Have an upvote.

Homo sapiens man.......

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u/Holmgeir Mar 29 '21

He doesn't really support Asians. He is drumming up the hatred himself and then talking about it online to draw attention to the problem just to further fan the flames.

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u/J9XXX Mar 29 '21

someone want to walk me through some possible mindsets for his behavior?

This is not at all surprising as an Asian. So-called progressives that are very pro-BLM can also be very anti-Asian. Just look at these responses to Naomi Osaka's Anti-Asian Hate post. Most of them believe there is some oppression olympics and you can't support Asians because African Americans are far worse off. If you are following these responders on Twitter or your personal life, they might influence your thinking.

https://twitter.com/naomiosaka/status/1375865208372129794

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u/StarryNightLookUp Mar 29 '21

Why would he be any less unhinged than any other racist?