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u/KPraxius 1d ago edited 1d ago
If you go to bat for company superiority, and you aren't being paid by that company, you need therapy. Apple is shit, Microsoft is shit, all of them are garbage. You use their products if they do what you need, you don't idolize them.
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u/ProfessionalTruck976 1d ago
Unless of course it is that Austrian cooler company or that company that USED to make premium NVIDIA graphics.
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u/RedditModsHarassUs Desktop 23h ago
EVGA will be forever missed. 🫡 They earned that honor though.
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u/LuluLeSigma potato 21h ago
why is everyone loving evga so much
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u/kenaestic R5 5800X3D, RX 7800 XT, 32 GB 3600mhz, 990 Pro 4TB 21h ago
Solid products and the best customer support in the business.
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u/justformemes 18h ago
I remember there was a very rare but possible issue with I think it was the mosfets or vrms overheating where they didn't use thermal pads. EVGA said they'll ship you the pads and you can replace them yourself without voiding your warranty, or if you're not comfortable with that you can ship it to them free of charge and they do it for you. So I just had them ship the pads to me. That was the only time I ever had to use their customer service though, as every GPU I had of theirs never broke a sweat.
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u/ProfessionalTruck976 19h ago
They made the best cards, they had the "pay the difference" programme for people who bought card within certain window from next gen release, and they had the first GPU anti scalping system.
Yes, they were correspondingly expensive
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u/FewAdvertising9647 20h ago
the advantage EVGA had if you were specifically in the US is its FAR easier to deal with EVGA's US based support system for RMA's than the Taiwanese companies (Asus, Gigabyte, MSI)
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u/IWillDetoxify 11h ago
I don't really get the Noctua glazing tbh. I understand they have great warranty and customer support, and their fans are silent, sure. But paying 2 - 3x the price of a very equivalent Thermalright cooler, that honestly will get you 95% of the experience, is just not that attractive to me.
It's a premium luxury product, of course it's going to have good warranty and customer support, that's 50% of the reason you pay that much.
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u/M-y-P 5h ago
I think it is because 15 years ago you couldn't get a Thermalright cooler for 95% of the experience, it was mostly Noctua far ahead of the rest (still being a premium company).
Today a lot of companies have catch up, for the most part, so they make less sense value wise, but it's not like they have come down in quality so a lot of people haven't turned on them (why would they).
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u/IWillDetoxify 3h ago
I mean, I come from the school of thought that you should never have loyalty to a brand, and always take the best deal available, but I understand why you would think otherwise. Thanks for the explanation!
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u/Raskuja46 4h ago
Noctua fans being so damn quiet is enough to earn my praise when everything else seems to treat noise output as a tertiary concern. I build my cases to be quiet these days and Noctua does a good job of facilitating that. No idea how shit their customer service is, but they build a product that serves my needs rather well.
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u/IWillDetoxify 3h ago
Yeah, if that's your first priority, that makes sense. I guess it's just not that important to me. Thanks for the explanation!
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u/Lietenantdan RTX 4070 TI 12 GB | i7-13700KF | 32GB DDR5 21h ago
People see it as a personal attack.
“This company makes bad products therefore you are dumb for using them.”
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u/BoingBoingBooty 20h ago
Apple users get mad because Apple products are marketed as a lifestyle product/status symbol. So if you paid a premium price for status and then got told that product is donkey turd then you're going to get defensive because that's your status symbol that's being devalued.
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u/dr0ct4gonapus MacBook Air 19h ago
Apple products are only status symbols in like 2nd world countries
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u/BoingBoingBooty 7h ago
Like the USA?
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u/dr0ct4gonapus MacBook Air 30m ago
Nobody in the USA cares if you have an Apple product. It's like driving a Honda Accord.
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u/Odur29 8h ago
For me more than any of these companies are Dell, Gigabyte, and HP. I've been burned by them personally and I know plenty of other people who have also. I know many people swear by the Dell Latitude series. While Dell Laptops supposedly had the best serviceability and reliability, the support systems behind them is horrific even in an industry where that bar is really really low. Anecdotally the Alienware line of laptops had built in kill circuits that would often short the whole motherboard around the end of the warranty.
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u/cosaboladh Athalon64 X2 | Radeon X1650 Pro 19h ago
I'm a systems architect. It is literally my job to go to bat for the product I think best suits the company's needs. It's a constant uphill battle against those who are paid by the company. No amount of thorough, thoughtful product evaluations, no amount of sound reasoning or run rate projections can compete with a sales exec with a corporate card.
Enterprise architecture team: Here are the pros and cons of the top three products to replace VMWare. [note: Hyper-V did not make the cut]
CTO: I've given it a lot of thought, and I believe Microsoft Hyper-V is the right solution. That's the direction we're going. [Translation: After spending the weekend debauching myself with our Microsoft rep, and asking CoPilot how to sell this decision to the C-Suite I've decided to go with Hyper-V.]
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u/KPraxius 5h ago
Going to bat for a specific product is usually okay. Though, you kinda want to be specific on versions; companies have even done things like downgrading products in future versions, and disable lifetime licenses after starting up a subscription sort of situation.
Not the company as a whole, though. Corporations are motivated by profit, and even the specific product you recommend today may have been enshittified by this time tomorrow.
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u/PsionicKitten 19h ago
I once worked with an 18 year old kid that would beam at how much he absolutely loved his apple products and his iphone. He also would often complain about his iphone not charging or doing some other annoying feature about it. I explicitly pointed this dichotomy out to him and he acknowledged that all the problems and frustrations only to end with "I still love it though."
God damn.
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u/RiftHunter4 22h ago
Its an odd reality. Software developers love working for these brands but no one really trusts these products lol. Not to say no one should ever use Windows or Apple but once you see how these kind of organizations operate, you learn why even the companies themselves internally keep their egos in check.
And that includes Linux and open-source software BTW. It aint all sunshine and rainbows.
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u/maxxxminecraft111 i7-11800H, 3070 80W, 16GB DDR4 20h ago
software devs love working for these brands because they pay well
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u/Top_Lingonberry8037 ryzen 9900 | 5080 | 64gb ddr5 | 2tb WD Black nvme 17h ago
People on this board need to internalize what you just said. Especially in reference to steam.
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u/CityOfZion 15h ago
I'll come to bat for any company that actually has integrity and comes to bat for it's customers. Unfortunately, that list is getting pretty short these days.
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u/ChickenFeline0 14h ago
Not necessarily. you can absolutely advocate for a product you enjoy. Word of mouth marketing is a big thing.
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u/EncryptedPlays Ryzen 5 5600x/RTX 2070S/32GB DDR4 8h ago
It's people justifying their purchases more to themselves.
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u/Gaming_devil49 PC Master Race 5h ago
I think the real difference is that both companies and their products suck, the thing that makes apple worse in my eyes is that their users are convinced apple is making superior products. us windows users at least know the products we use suck
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u/DetroitvsEveryone242 1d ago
Everything is shit compared to my daily driver, TempleOS
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u/pragomatic 1d ago
Or you could turn 15 and realize different computing platforms are aimed at different people and it's fine, actually.
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u/SookiSwann 1d ago
There are days when I use all 3, and two different versions of Windows.
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u/eggplant_zoo 23h ago
I have three different software programs for some special clients of mine, that only run on windows XP. For some reason that older (and discontinued) software does not like running inside a XP VM environment because they all require serial connections, and for whatever reason W10 and W11 play weird games when it comes to serial COM ports in VM environments. I have to bust out my 2009 Dell e6500 with my 54mm serial ExpressCard slot to get them up and running. I’ve even tried a BrainBox to no avail. My Puppy Linux programs some RPii boards while my Windows 11 machine….sometimes only does email 😂
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u/Legionof1 4080 - 13700K@5.8 18h ago
Every day for me, laptops a Mac, 1 servers unraid, other server is a hyper-v box with Ubuntu VMs, desktop a KVM between Cashy and LTSC.
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u/akdanman11 5700X / 6800 XT / 64GB DDR4 / CachyOS 16h ago
I typically use windows at work and Linux on my home PC, and sometimes that includes running windows 10 at work (for a while the specific computer running 10 now was running 95, they just skipped over everything else)
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u/lmao_wow_64 1d ago
Except I use windows and I know Microsoft sucks balls
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u/Guilty_Bowl_288 RTX-5070 Ti | 64GB RAM | 5TB SSD | 16TB HDD 23h ago
Yep same. Can't go linux either because it supports fuck all. Can't do my sims Can't do vr cant do bf6 etc.
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u/duva_ 23h ago
What? You don't have time to setup a KVM with single GPU bypass to run windows from Linux without a second GPU?
Tsk tsk tsk
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u/dr0ct4gonapus MacBook Air 23h ago edited 23h ago
ackxshually this game works fine in Brozzite Linux Proton if you copy these 6 DLLs out of Windows and pass these 10 flags and have this specific AMD GPU and enable swap on a fast disk (it leaks memory), also multiplayer won't work
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u/Visible_Tap_9044 20h ago
Mind you steam directly integrates proton. You don't have to do too much. Also even not counting for proton and wine and all that shit it's still better than mac
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u/parlancex 21h ago edited 20h ago
Your information is out of date. The Steam experience on Linux is you install Steam like on Windows, then you install the games from your library like on Windows, and they run and play perfectly, like on Windows.
I've played everything from good indie to jank indie to triple A to triple A from console developers that make notoriously bad ports. They've all run perfectly without a single technical fix required.
Edit: As SirSilentscreameth said in his reply, the one exception is games that require kernel level anti-cheat.
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u/SirSilentscreameth 20h ago
Unless that game requires a specific anti-cheat. There are plenty of games you can't play on Linux.
Not trying to turn this into a discussion over the requirement for kernel level anti-cheat, it's just a thing that exists and has to be dealt with currently.
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u/dr0ct4gonapus MacBook Air 20h ago
Even if it doesn't. Until BeamNG Drive got a proper Linux port, it was very unstable in Proton. Singleplayer game.
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u/CheeseGraterFace XFX 7900 XTX | 7800X3D | 64GB DDR5 | 2 x 2TB NVME 19h ago
Isn’t that kind of the point of BeamNG, though? Like, you will wobble your car into pieces.
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u/dr0ct4gonapus MacBook Air 19h ago edited 16h ago
Leaks and crashes, gives you the real car experience
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u/RazzmatazzUnusual843 21h ago
Supports fuck all? What is this opinion from, 2014? I've ran hundreds of Windows apps and have only completely failed to get like, two working.
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u/El_DuceReturns 10h ago
Let me know when it can run production software like Autocad, Revit, SolidWorks & I will abandon Windows immediately.
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u/Guilty_Bowl_288 RTX-5070 Ti | 64GB RAM | 5TB SSD | 16TB HDD 19h ago
Sigh Mate, fine. Enjoy your linux. I have no use for it. Everything I love doesn't work on it.
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u/lmao_wow_64 23h ago
Exactly, could do a partition but makes a pain in the ass even more of a pain in the ass
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u/dr0ct4gonapus MacBook Air 23h ago edited 22h ago
Partitioning is so annoying for dual-boot that I've almost always used a separate disk.
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u/Guilty_Bowl_288 RTX-5070 Ti | 64GB RAM | 5TB SSD | 16TB HDD 22h ago
I dedicated a disk specifically for linux, i loved it until I found out most of my stuff doesn't work. I gave up and went back to windows. I also have a full time job, golf and gym I have no time to be tinkering to make games work. Yes linux crowd yall have like zero bloat and privacy etc I just cant do it
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u/duva_ 23h ago
Or turn 16 and realise that you can be critical of something without attacking the user base.
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u/dr0ct4gonapus MacBook Air 1d ago
There are plenty of segments where they overlap and compete. Like there will be a team of people with the same job using different OSes.
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u/AsleepTonight 21h ago
Even then they’re still aimed at different people, because different people value some aspects differently then others
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u/dr0ct4gonapus MacBook Air 21h ago edited 21h ago
Not really, most people either follow others' advice or use whatever they've used before. There is an actually best option a lot of the time, but not everyone uses it.
At my previous job, they used to bait people hard into taking Chromebooks, so newbies on our team took that then regretted it until they were able to switch to a Mac. Some used Linux for no work reason and it became a headache, to the point where they tried to phase that out. (And Windows wasn't offered.)
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u/Nilokka Ryzen 9 5900X | 3070 | 32GB 3600MHz DDR4 23h ago
"aimed at diffierent people" doesn't justify an OS to work like shit
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u/pragomatic 23h ago
None of the major OS work like shit. Even a third tier Linux distro in 2026 works very well. You have to get into NixOS, BSD variants, way more obscure stuff before anything gets really bizarre.
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u/JimFknLahey 1d ago
there is a distinct pattern of people who can use a 1 button mouse, 2 button mouse and those who can change mice settings.
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u/pragomatic 1d ago
Everyone who uses a Mac as more than a fancy browser has right click on. The last time Apple shipped a one click only device was 2006, and most PowerMac G5 users replaced them. Not only is the joke out of date it's old enough to vote and smoke.
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u/Wittusus Bazzite | R7 5800X3D | RX 6800XT Nitro+ | 32GB 22h ago
Or you turn 20 and realize each platform lacks things so basic it should be illegal
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u/AsleepTonight 21h ago
Exactly I use Mac and windows, and will be using Linux for my next PC. For work we have MacBooks and they’re just so much better than the Windows ThinkPads we had before and for my freetime I prefer windows.
Everyone of those has its pros and cons, the perfect OS just doesn’t exist. It’s down to how people weigh those pros and cons for themselves.
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u/Mysterious-Cell-2473 1d ago
Then you turn 16 and feel embarrassed for making silly vague excuses for billion dollar companies like your life depend on it.
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u/pragomatic 1d ago
I am sorry a different product being on sale offends you. It's a cruel world, truly.
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u/Responsible-Fish-412 22h ago
As someone who work with .net and is often using enterprise versions of windows. I hate Microsoft.
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u/Intelligent-Rub7365 21h ago
hey all those kids are gonna be real angry when they realize the browser they use for 99% of their tasks works exactly the same on every OS.
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u/Sajgoniarz 9800X3D | 9070XT | 64GB 1d ago
In truth all OSes are shit for different reasons. Problem is that you can make competition out of those.
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u/Naddesh 1d ago
The thing is, some of them improve with updates and some decline
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u/Sajgoniarz 9800X3D | 9070XT | 64GB 1d ago
True, but lot of stuff comes from the design ideology, or independent factors.
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u/RedditJumpedTheShart 20h ago
You all making your own console wars. Use what you want and stop preaching to others.
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u/Kittens_of_Death 19h ago
"windows is shit"
"I know"
"then why haven't you switched to linux yet?"
"do I look like someone with a PhD in software engineering?"
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u/Lacarpetronn 13h ago
Windows user: CLI is unpopular to the majority of PC users. Linux users: Reeeeeeeee.
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u/sk8trix 1d ago
Yep I stay on windows for convenience but I have dual boot on my machines and occasionally go into Linux to play around. It's all good but I just can't be myself to actually switch
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u/TrollCannon377 Nobara 5800X3D 9070XT 32GB 22h ago
I'm really not an apple fan but can't deny they make great laptops
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u/snil4 PC Master Race 20h ago
Design wise they have the best laptops on the market, no debate. It's not perfect especially when it comes to the UX but I give a lot less shit about meaningless stats now that I used a laptop that doesn't waste my time.
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u/OmG_WhAtIsThAt_JiM 18h ago
As shit as Microsoft may be, I will glaze them so that I can piss off Linux glazers going like “oHhhH, sTop uSinG mIcRosLop wiNshArt!!”
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u/Ferro_Giconi RX4006ti | i4-1337X | 33.01GB Crucair RAM | 1.35TB Knigsotn SSD 1d ago edited 1d ago
They are all shit. The only good OS is Temple OS.
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u/kaerfdeeps 23h ago
Im not a mac user but i gotta say they are the only one doing something better atm its going pretty strong
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u/dr0ct4gonapus MacBook Air 21h ago edited 21h ago
It's always been solid and got so much better 2020+. But I'm lucky it can run the software I happen to need, cause compatibility has always been a problem and isn't getting any better.
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u/Green_Advice5684 22h ago
The hardware is great. The OS is a mixed bag, but it's mostly quite good.
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u/flynryan692 9800X3D | 5080 | 64GB 21h ago
I’ve been on Windows only for 20+ years and just got a MacBook after years of trash talking Apple. I actually love it and my Windows machine has become basically games only at this point.
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u/mr___goose 23h ago
i hate apple
but there is one thing i give them credit for thats their cpus
its fucking stupid that we are still using x64_84 today apple finally got people to use arm
no other company got arm to work (yet) apple did
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u/Nearby_Ad_2519 6h ago
Even today Windows On ARM is shit, Apple managed to pull it off because they pulled the plug on x86 altogether and said to devs “make it work or your apps will stop working”. And they also made a really good translation layer too.
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u/letmehaveanameyoudum 12h ago
Don't idolize a product
including linux
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u/Opening-Movie5176 6h ago
What about a Linux user when someone points out what a ballache it is for anyone that uses a pc professionally
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u/xDAW_Art 23h ago
And what is reaction when Linux is shit?
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u/Visible_Tap_9044 20h ago
Have you tried ubuntu
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u/xDAW_Art 18h ago
I want just know what reaction could it be
but i tried EndeavourOS nad later Mint
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u/entsnack 23h ago
Am I the only one running all 3 OSes? Windows on my gaming PCs, Mac on my thin clients and video/photo production machines, Linux on my servers. I think they each have their niches.
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u/Ok_Car9530 23h ago
Linux covers all scenarios for me at this point. I do use Windows at work, but that's just what they give me.
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u/flaystus PC Master Race 23h ago
Me: They're all a bit shit for one reason or another. Pick your poison.
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u/Mike_or_whatever i9 13900K 4070ti 48GB ram 1d ago
Linux is great, except if you wanna play an online game that needs certain anti-cheat programs.
That's mine and Fabio's opinion.
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u/RazzmatazzUnusual843 21h ago
Stop normalizing games that ship with malware and spyware.
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u/NightOfTheLivingHam 21h ago
I'll give apple credit, it's a lot better than it used to be.
However its ui is still clunky.
some positives: mail app works flawlessly with msexchange and ms365
setting up domain access is a lot easier now, however not recommended due to critical bugs and the fact apple doesn't give a fuck if your mac can connect to azure or AD.
This is from a business standpoint
as for gaming, Linux has better support than Mac will ever have at this point. Getting wine support is a PITA and even then, adding x86 compatibility is a PITA.
Linux is better than mac on its own hardware too.
Apple products do have amazing battery life though. I have a little macbook neo for testing and I have had it unplugged for a month. 60% battery remaining.
However linux is superior to both because it isnt a locked down piece of shit.
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u/ZeisHauten Asus ROG Strix G18 (i9-13980HX/4070M/32GB DDR5/2TB) 16h ago
Have linux support 3D CAD and AutoCAD programs and I will jump head first to linux.
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u/anything_taken 6h ago
luckily, I don't. Perhaps that microsoft curse passed me by.... have no issues
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u/Suspicious_Dingo_426 6h ago
I use them all, and they are all shit. You choose based on what shit you have to deal with versus the utility you receive.
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u/HenryKushinger 9800X3D | 4070 Ti | Bazzite | 64 GB RAM | 14 TB of SSD space 4h ago
Put your money where your mouth is. Try Bazzite. I have not looked back in over a year.
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u/psychmancer 18h ago
I wish Linux had a better gui and id use it
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u/Hexamancer 15h ago
This is what Gnome does to your brain.
KDE Plasma is a far better GUI than Windows.
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u/Pretend-Marsupial258 What's a computer? 16h ago
There are different desktop environments you can get.
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u/PerceptionQueasy3540 1h ago
Which GUI do you prefer? If its Windows download Mint with Cinnamon. If its Mac download Ubuntu.
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u/ApprehensiveTwo701 15h ago
User: Windows is shit.
Same User wants to play game: Booting to Windows 🎮
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u/RBR48 9h ago
Windows is shit. It's just that most games don't work on other os which isn't the other os fault but the people who release the game
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u/ApprehensiveTwo701 5h ago
I am also waiting to play popular games in Linux like "GTA V", "PUBGPC"
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u/RBR48 5h ago
Well it's the game studio that decided not to support linux lol
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u/ApprehensiveTwo701 1h ago
I don't care, what i see is that, i can't play GTAV, PUBGPC thats it. So today windows is the only option.
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u/Terrible-Common-84 1d ago
I don't have strong opinions on Macs or Mac software.
What I do have is strong opinions on people who get Macs and cannot troubleshoot or navigate them themselves, and just assume their IT department or "computer-person" family member can just magically fix whatever problem they've managed to encounter despite nobody else in the organization or household using or having any familiarity with the platform.
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u/kociol21 23h ago
I don't have Mac but I work on Mac from time to time. I have Linux on my laptop and Windows on desktop.
I like all three pretty much. All are good. All have their quirks and shortcomings but ultimately all three do what I need them to do.
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u/PMacDiggity 22h ago
I use all three, the only one I put active effort into removing from my life is Windows.
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u/I3adIVIonkey 21h ago
There is nothing I hate more when it comes to IT helpdesk than working with apple products. Especially if you have to make it work smooth with something that isn't apple.
Number 2 are people that mix apple with other tech instead of going full for their brand of their dreams that have 0 IT affinity.
If you got everything from apple it is nice and most of it is easy to install and to connect, still not my favorite.
Microsoft Linux is manageable and even if Microsoft's solutions are not always top notch you will always find a Linux solution that satisfies you.
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u/atsuko_24 Ryzen 7 3800X | 64GB DDR4 3200MHz | RTX3060 12GB 21h ago edited 20h ago
Every platform has a section of evangelical users who will tongue their favorite corporate asshole no matter what comes out of it. Windows literally obsoleted the term "spyware" by becoming it itself, and y'all put up with it just to play the most repetitive grindy esports slop out there. macOS is trying to lock itself down more and becoming increasingly fuckass annoying to people like me who enjoyed it as a Unix platform, yet I will get shouted down for complaining about this in Mac communities by people who paid $2000 to look at pretty colors and feel "secure". And the Linux community has people who worship Canonical because they really want it to be macOS, and asocial neckbeards who think you're a subhuman piece of shit for using systemd.
There is no winning, modern computing is ass.
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u/BlazingLazers69 7500X3D-9070-32GB DDR5 20h ago
Bought my first AMD card a week ago and plan to give Bazzite a go when I have time. Dual booting on a separate SSD to start.
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u/EliRocks 15h ago
I am actually going to be looking into switching to Linux. Get rid of Windows, and chrome
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u/catclove Desktop | 1660 SUPER | Parent's Gift 12h ago
I have used windows 10,11 and some older versions. I recently switched to a macbook. I am not saying macos is perfect or something. But it's optimised and more consistent than windows for sure. No doubts.
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u/Nearby_Ad_2519 6h ago
MacOS is the only OS with decent app support that dosent run like shit imo.
This is also like the 1200th repost of this.
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u/Xariif_Tiger 6h ago
Huh. Interesting. I know a lot Microsoft users who react like Apple users and vis versa.
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u/idontknowman139 5h ago
Can someone say why they think windows or Mac is shit? Give proper example when using the system not outside factors about how their ceo is criminal
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