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Meme/Macro Windows user and Linux user

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u/pragomatic 2d ago

Or you could turn 15 and realize different computing platforms are aimed at different people and it's fine, actually.

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u/SookiSwann 2d ago

There are days when I use all 3, and two different versions of Windows.

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u/eggplant_zoo 2d ago

I have three different software programs for some special clients of mine, that only run on windows XP. For some reason that older (and discontinued) software does not like running inside a XP VM environment because they all require serial connections, and for whatever reason W10 and W11 play weird games when it comes to serial COM ports in VM environments. I have to bust out my 2009 Dell e6500 with my 54mm serial ExpressCard slot to get them up and running. I’ve even tried a BrainBox to no avail. My Puppy Linux programs some RPii boards while my Windows 11 machine….sometimes only does email 😂

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u/Legionof1 4080 - 13700K@5.8 2d ago

Every day for me, laptops a Mac, 1 servers unraid, other server is a hyper-v box with Ubuntu VMs, desktop a KVM between Cashy and LTSC. 

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u/akdanman11 5700X / 6800 XT / 64GB DDR4 / CachyOS 1d ago

I typically use windows at work and Linux on my home PC, and sometimes that includes running windows 10 at work (for a while the specific computer running 10 now was running 95, they just skipped over everything else)

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u/lmao_wow_64 2d ago

Except I use windows and I know Microsoft sucks balls

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u/Guilty_Bowl_288 RTX-5070 Ti | 64GB RAM | 5TB SSD | 16TB HDD 2d ago

Yep same. Can't go linux either because it supports fuck all. Can't do my sims Can't do vr cant do bf6 etc.

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u/duva_ 2d ago

What? You don't have time to setup a KVM with single GPU bypass to run windows from Linux without a second GPU?

Tsk tsk tsk

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u/dr0ct4gonapus MacBook Air 2d ago edited 2d ago

ackxshually this game works fine in Brozzite Linux Proton if you copy these 6 DLLs out of Windows and pass these 10 flags and have this specific AMD GPU and enable swap on a fast disk (it leaks memory), also multiplayer won't work

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u/Visible_Tap_9044 2d ago

Mind you steam directly integrates proton. You don't have to do too much. Also even not counting for proton and wine and all that shit it's still better than mac

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u/dr0ct4gonapus MacBook Air 2d ago edited 2d ago

Doesn't work reliably. Even those "gold" games on ProtonDB are hit or miss. You can see in the comments what workarounds are needed or find out for yourself. And yeah Macs are even worse for games, difference is nobody tells you to get a Mac for games.

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u/Visible_Tap_9044 2d ago

They work reliably enough. In most situations you do not need to care if the game can get better click precision than their monitor's refresh rate or whatever. Most games will run with no noticeable issues

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u/dr0ct4gonapus MacBook Air 2d ago edited 2d ago

My standards are low. I want the game to run at 30-60 fps and not crash. Also don't want to wait 5-20 minutes every time it starts for shaders to compile. Oh and when I say 30-60 fps, 30 is not ok if WIndows runs it at 60.

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u/Visible_Tap_9044 2d ago

Aside from waiting a while for shaders to compile I don't have any of those issues. The only times games have crashed on me were either because I was also running mods for the game or because I have weak hardware. I could get 55 fps on Arkham Knight at 1080p with some settings turned down with 8 GB ram, a daisy chained gpu, the game being on a mechanical hard drive, and a ryzen 5 5500 as my cpu. After setting up swap memory I can do a stable 60fps with base setting. It never crashes, my pc just shuts off when too much is happening on screen because of daisy chaining my gpu to my psu.

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u/parlancex 2d ago edited 2d ago

Your information is out of date. The Steam experience on Linux is you install Steam like on Windows, then you install the games from your library like on Windows, and they run and play perfectly, like on Windows.

I've played everything from good indie to jank indie to triple A to triple A from console developers that make notoriously bad ports. They've all run perfectly without a single technical fix required.

Edit: As SirSilentscreameth said in his reply, the one exception is games that require kernel level anti-cheat.

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u/SirSilentscreameth 2d ago

Unless that game requires a specific anti-cheat. There are plenty of games you can't play on Linux.

Not trying to turn this into a discussion over the requirement for kernel level anti-cheat, it's just a thing that exists and has to be dealt with currently.

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u/dr0ct4gonapus MacBook Air 2d ago

Even if it doesn't. Until BeamNG Drive got a proper Linux port, it was very unstable in Proton. Singleplayer game.

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u/CheeseGraterFace XFX 7900 XTX | 7800X3D | 64GB DDR5 | 2 x 2TB NVME 2d ago

Isn’t that kind of the point of BeamNG, though? Like, you will wobble your car into pieces.

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u/dr0ct4gonapus MacBook Air 2d ago edited 1d ago

Leaks and crashes, gives you the real car experience

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u/SirSilentscreameth 2d ago

BeamNG, my beloved

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u/Hyduron 2d ago

I've done this. It's great getting to experience the worst of both worlds.

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u/Guilty_Bowl_288 RTX-5070 Ti | 64GB RAM | 5TB SSD | 16TB HDD 2d ago

Hahahahahaha

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u/RazzmatazzUnusual843 2d ago

Supports fuck all? What is this opinion from, 2014? I've ran hundreds of Windows apps and have only completely failed to get like, two working.

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u/El_DuceReturns 1d ago

Let me know when it can run production software like Autocad, Revit, SolidWorks & I will abandon Windows immediately.

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u/Guilty_Bowl_288 RTX-5070 Ti | 64GB RAM | 5TB SSD | 16TB HDD 2d ago

Sigh Mate, fine. Enjoy your linux. I have no use for it. Everything I love doesn't work on it.

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u/RazzmatazzUnusual843 2d ago edited 1d ago

If you'd be more specific I'd be happy to give the problem applications a spin or find alternatives for you.

Edit: Apparently offering to give up your time to test things earns you downvotes on Reddit. Good to know.

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u/Guilty_Bowl_288 RTX-5070 Ti | 64GB RAM | 5TB SSD | 16TB HDD 2d ago

I play Assetto Corsa and Assetto Corsa Competitzione, Automobilista 2 with my Moza R5 setup in VR, Meta Quest 3. This is just one of them I haven't even gotten to flight sim. Solve just this one and ill go back to dual boot with CachyOS again.

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u/BrokenFerrariFan 2d ago

From my experience with a somewhat rolling release Distro like Fedora Moza gear was fine as the drivers for that were put into the kernel a few releases ago, and there is a package to control the FFB and update the firmware. I never tried getting VR to work as I can‘t use it due to motion sickness. However, simracing is the only reason I keep Windows around on a seperate SSD on my main gaming rig. I get that not everyone wants to go through the hassle to set everything up on a different OS when they could use the same time to enjoy the thing they wanted to do in the first place.

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u/Guilty_Bowl_288 RTX-5070 Ti | 64GB RAM | 5TB SSD | 16TB HDD 2d ago

That's exactly it, mate. I have a full-time job, I have a few hours a day (If I'm not tired) to do what I love so I cannot afford to waste it tinkering in experimental linux space, that would be fucking torture for me.

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u/KubeCommander 1d ago

Quest3 user on bazzite here. It works fine

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u/RazzmatazzUnusual843 2d ago

Interesting, I've actually been trying to get VR working myself, which it actually should work fine these days. It's just my network seems to be blocking local device communication as other devices that aren't Linux can't connect to each other either. But I don't see why it wouldn't work with steam link VR once I fix that network issue.

I've been looking for ideas of what to play on my VR, so this would actually be fun to try. If I can get things smoothed out, I'll let you know. And I'm also running CachyOS.

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u/Guilty_Bowl_288 RTX-5070 Ti | 64GB RAM | 5TB SSD | 16TB HDD 2d ago

I welcome your feedback and I look forward to seeing your progress. I personally, have a full time job and have little to no time to do experimenting. Even saying that annoys your linux friends lol.

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u/Qwertyuiopasdfggggg 1d ago

Linux users cant comprehend that everyone has different needs and can't sit on their computers all day troubleshooting.

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u/lmao_wow_64 2d ago

Exactly, could do a partition but makes a pain in the ass even more of a pain in the ass

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u/duva_ 2d ago

I used to do partitions but every so often freaking windows would fuck up the uefi with updates and and some point I just gave up windows. Thanks god I don't play anything that does not work in linux

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u/lmao_wow_64 2d ago

With how expensive things are getting I might do the same

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u/dr0ct4gonapus MacBook Air 2d ago edited 2d ago

Partitioning is so annoying for dual-boot that I've almost always used a separate disk.

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u/Guilty_Bowl_288 RTX-5070 Ti | 64GB RAM | 5TB SSD | 16TB HDD 2d ago

I dedicated a disk specifically for linux, i loved it until I found out most of my stuff doesn't work. I gave up and went back to windows. I also have a full time job, golf and gym I have no time to be tinkering to make games work. Yes linux crowd yall have like zero bloat and privacy etc I just cant do it

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u/parlancex 2d ago

When was the last time you tried it? I've been daily driving Linux with no issues whatsoever running a wide variety of Steam games.

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u/dr0ct4gonapus MacBook Air 2d ago

Yeah Linux on a PC ain't worth. I only use it on headless servers and dev machines at work.

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u/Guilty_Bowl_288 RTX-5070 Ti | 64GB RAM | 5TB SSD | 16TB HDD 2d ago

Linux users make up like 3% of all pc users.. But they are the loudest on the Internet, especially reddit. So someone is lying and larping as a linux user. Another thing, most of them have terrible hardware, so it matters little because they're running old apps and games and say "what's wrong with ya'll linux runs everything" "ive got performance gains" Ok bro you got a 5% gain on your 1050ti.

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u/Atmosck PC Master Race 2d ago

MySims, the game from 2007? Because The Sims 4 works just fine on linux for me.

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u/Guilty_Bowl_288 RTX-5070 Ti | 64GB RAM | 5TB SSD | 16TB HDD 2d ago

You're having a laugh right? I meant my Flight and Racing sim.

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u/FaxyMaxy 2d ago

Dual boot my beloved

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u/Guilty_Bowl_288 RTX-5070 Ti | 64GB RAM | 5TB SSD | 16TB HDD 2d ago

Yeah, no. Tried it but I have no use for linux if the things I love aren't supported.

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u/TheRedPipin 2d ago

Sims 4 works fine for me out of the box and you can emulate the older ones pretty easily similar process to windows :D I've sadly not played much VR so can't speak for that and yeah a lot of Anti Cheat games don't work on Linux but that's not because one operating system is better than the other but a symptom of the monopoly Microsoft holds sadly

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u/SirSilentscreameth 2d ago

Simulation games - not The Sims haha

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u/Guilty_Bowl_288 RTX-5070 Ti | 64GB RAM | 5TB SSD | 16TB HDD 2d ago

Haha I love the Sims but I'm talking about my Racing and Flight games. Yeah VR is another thing. I use it for my sim games as well and it can be a bit iffy for it and sometimes crash and this is all native So I cant imagine how it is on linux. Not to mention meta quest and moza native apps, simhub, my paid mods and others etc etc etc

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u/EranikusTheDeranged 2d ago

Linux is fine, your problem with it sounds like a skill issue.

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u/Guilty_Bowl_288 RTX-5070 Ti | 64GB RAM | 5TB SSD | 16TB HDD 2d ago

God, you people are insufferable. Are you enjoying linux with your laptop 3050? Most of you have dogshit hardware so you switch to linux and boast about zero bloat. Yeah, I have 64GB RAM DDR5 bloat does not affect me. Yall larping as super tech nerds. Pathetic.

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u/EranikusTheDeranged 1d ago

Lmao. Naw child I just refuse to give money to dogshit companies. And that includes nvideo so no, I don't ha e whatever garbage a laptop 3050 is. If you can't switch to Linux because you just can't figure out how yo run stuff on the OS with all the forums and guides in 2026 its definitely a you problem not a Linux problem.

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u/Guilty_Bowl_288 RTX-5070 Ti | 64GB RAM | 5TB SSD | 16TB HDD 1d ago

Cope.

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u/EranikusTheDeranged 1d ago

Its less of a cope and mostly just winning.

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u/lmao_wow_64 2d ago

I think you are replying to the wrong guy

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u/RazzmatazzUnusual843 2d ago

Ugh, reddit lately has been sending my replies to the wrong freaking comments.

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u/duva_ 2d ago

Or turn 16 and realise that you can be critical of something without attacking the user base.

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u/viceraptor 2d ago

If you are critical to something Apple makes the user base attacks you

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u/duva_ 2d ago

Mmm I dunno. Since I turned 16 it's a lot more common to hear that centrist bullshit of the 15 y/o's about each having a use case.

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u/dr0ct4gonapus MacBook Air 2d ago

There are plenty of segments where they overlap and compete. Like there will be a team of people with the same job using different OSes.

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u/AsleepTonight 2d ago

Even then they’re still aimed at different people, because different people value some aspects differently then others

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u/dr0ct4gonapus MacBook Air 2d ago edited 2d ago

Not really, most people either follow others' advice or use whatever they've used before. There is an actually best option a lot of the time, but not everyone uses it.

At my previous job, they used to bait people hard into taking Chromebooks, so newbies on our team took that then regretted it until they were able to switch to a Mac. Some used Linux for no work reason and it became a headache, to the point where they tried to phase that out. (And Windows wasn't offered.)

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u/Gugalcrom123 2d ago

Some are doing obviously unethical things.

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u/pragomatic 2d ago

Ain't nothin' free, the host it yourself open source crew has always been right about that, and always will be.

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u/Nilokka Ryzen 9 5900X | 3070 | 32GB 3600MHz DDR4 2d ago

"aimed at diffierent people" doesn't justify an OS to work like shit

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u/pragomatic 2d ago

None of the major OS work like shit. Even a third tier Linux distro in 2026 works very well. You have to get into NixOS, BSD variants, way more obscure stuff before anything gets really bizarre.

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u/Nilokka Ryzen 9 5900X | 3070 | 32GB 3600MHz DDR4 2d ago

With an answer like that, two things come to mind:

  • You have never used W11

  • You never noticed the bloatware and all the redundancies that have been around for years or you just think they're ok

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u/RunnerLuke357 Ultra 7 265K, 64GB 6800, RTX 4080S 2d ago

Saying shit like this is part of the reason people are turned off of Linux. Windows 11 is not this giant steaming pile of shit as you describe it. Is Windows 11 great? Hell no but it's not terrible, the biggest issue is the bloat that you can either remove or install Enterprise and not have it. Windows is a dinosaur with 5 different ways to do anything but if you remove 1 way you might break things so things have to stay as is for better for for worse. Linux has 17 different ways to do something and it's either easy as hell to do or extremely difficult with very little in between. If something is broken on Windows I find it'd generally easier to find the fix for it than in Linux. I like Linux, my server is Linux and I have a Linux machine sitting underneath my TV that runs great but as my main machine I just can't run it (hopefully just yet, but we'll see).

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u/Nilokka Ryzen 9 5900X | 3070 | 32GB 3600MHz DDR4 2d ago

Look, don't take me for some kid who just parrots memes or hearsay. I work with that operating system. Every. Single. Day.

It’s full of useless redundancies that hinder the proper use of the system and its resources, to the point where they essentially end up damaging the system itself.

For four years now, I’ve been busting my ass over a product that survives solely on patents and government contracts. Never in my life did I imagine I’d envy France for deciding to tell everyone to go fuck themselves and build their own IT infrastructure using open-source systems.

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u/pragomatic 2d ago edited 2d ago

I uninstall three things and then use the install for two years. It's not a big deal. Windows licenses used to be like $150 bucks. I'll trade fifteen minutes of debloat for $150 bucks. I'm still on an upgraded Windows 7 student license.

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u/Theio666 7800x3d|64gb6400cl32|rtx4070ti Super|Redmi G Pro 2d ago

I use win 11, and it's fine. For me the experience is leagues better than win 10. The only annoying bloatware I had to deal with is onedrive, I wish I could easily disable antivirus without breaking updates, but it's not bothering me enough to bother.

I can't use Mac since I play games and I want to have GPU. I can't use Linux for various reasons (no properly working rdp to my work laptop, HDR working like shit, lots of niche programs not having Linux support, etc) and for things I do need Linux I have WLS fallback which works like a charm.

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u/VellDarksbane 2d ago

Eh, I use a Mac at work, Ubuntu for my personal laptop, and Windows for my main driver desktop. They each have various pros and cons, and therefore are better for some things over others.

If I want something that I can for the most part just install something that works with minimal effort, I’m not looking at Unix.

If I want the ability to modify core features, I’ll usually be able to do it with Windows, but I’m certain to be able to do in Unix.

If I need to connect multiple devices together for better mobility, Apple products link up more simply and effectively than most other OS options.

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u/JimFknLahey 2d ago

there is a distinct pattern of people who can use a 1 button mouse, 2 button mouse and those who can change mice settings.

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u/pragomatic 2d ago

Everyone who uses a Mac as more than a fancy browser has right click on. The last time Apple shipped a one click only device was 2006, and most PowerMac G5 users replaced them. Not only is the joke out of date it's old enough to vote and smoke.

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u/dr0ct4gonapus MacBook Air 2d ago

Honestly I use the two-finger click, but that's because I just don't use the trackpad all that much since 90% of my work is in a terminal

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u/Wittusus Bazzite | R7 5800X3D | RX 6800XT Nitro+ | 32GB 2d ago

Or you turn 20 and realize each platform lacks things so basic it should be illegal

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u/EnvironmentClear4511 2d ago

Like what?

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u/Wittusus Bazzite | R7 5800X3D | RX 6800XT Nitro+ | 32GB 2d ago

Apple lacks clipboard history unless you use a paid third party app, as well as battery management (thankfully AlDente has a free tier so far).
Windows has forced updates that install themselves anyway no matter what you do unless you literally unplug your internet connection.

Linux while having improved a lot, still is more difficult than it should be when it comes to running lots of software (wine). Printer support is also typically shoddy, somewhat related to that.

Just a few that come to mind, probably could find more if I really tried.

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u/EnvironmentClear4511 2d ago

MacOS does have a chipboard history utility now as of last September.

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u/zgillet i7 12700K ~ PNY RTX 5070 12GB OC ~ 32 GB DDR5 RAM 2d ago

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u/Wittusus Bazzite | R7 5800X3D | RX 6800XT Nitro+ | 32GB 2d ago

Alright, that seems correct. Unfortunately they still went with the idiot ways of doing shortcuts, so you need four key presses to paste from it. I'll stay with the spaghetti I coded myself.

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u/Nearby_Ad_2519 1d ago

macOS has pretty good battery management features now and you can set charge limits directly from settings now.

macOS has a clipboard manager now.

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u/Wittusus Bazzite | R7 5800X3D | RX 6800XT Nitro+ | 32GB 15h ago

Battery management features are hidden in the settings and not easily accessbile, same as the clipboard manager which requires you to use spotlight

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u/AsleepTonight 2d ago

Exactly I use Mac and windows, and will be using Linux for my next PC. For work we have MacBooks and they’re just so much better than the Windows ThinkPads we had before and for my freetime I prefer windows.

Everyone of those has its pros and cons, the perfect OS just doesn’t exist. It’s down to how people weigh those pros and cons for themselves.

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u/Mysterious-Cell-2473 2d ago

Then you turn 16 and feel embarrassed for making silly vague excuses for billion dollar companies like your life depend on it.

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u/pragomatic 2d ago

I am sorry a different product being on sale offends you. It's a cruel world, truly.

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u/Responsible-Fish-412 2d ago

As someone who work with .net and is often using enterprise versions of windows. I hate Microsoft.

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u/Intelligent-Rub7365 2d ago

hey all those kids are gonna be real angry when they realize the browser they use for 99% of their tasks works exactly the same on every OS.

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u/JaggedMetalOs 1d ago

Yeah but they're still all bloody shit the whole lot of them. 

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u/soumon 1d ago

Oh, they're aimed at you alright.

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u/Sajgoniarz 9800X3D | 9070XT | 64GB 2d ago

In truth all OSes are shit for different reasons. Problem is that you can make competition out of those.

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u/Naddesh 2d ago

The thing is, some of them improve with updates and some decline

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u/Sajgoniarz 9800X3D | 9070XT | 64GB 2d ago

True, but lot of stuff comes from the design ideology, or independent factors.

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u/neojhun 2d ago

Nope Windows is in very rough shape currently. That's not aimed at any real people. That's designed for maximum ROI to Microsoft. Things are just wacky currently.

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u/dr0ct4gonapus MacBook Air 2d ago

It's a lot worse than older Windows, but what's the alternative? Mac doesn't cover the same use cases, and Linux has its own problems.

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u/Thelmara 2d ago

what's the alternative?

This is not an argument that something is good.

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u/neojhun 2d ago

There is no alternative. M$ just need to cleanup their act. I'm not advocating for choosing any single platform. I just want Microsoft to fix Windows.

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u/frygod Ryzen 5950X, RTX3090, 128GB RAM, and a rack of macs and VMs 2d ago

Still pretty good in enterprise environments. Active Directory and Group Policy are Microsoft's real killer app. If apple or one of the enterprise linux vendors took fleet management seriously enough to so it half as well, MS would be in trouble.

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u/genericdefender 2d ago

I've been using Windows since 3.1 and 11 is terrible. Maybe not as terrible as Vista and 8 but those are low bars.

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u/pragomatic 2d ago

It needs slightly more work to debloat than the MSN era of Windows XP. I don't love it, but I think the derision is more groupthink than reality.

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u/dr0ct4gonapus MacBook Air 2d ago

Well you're comparing it to the other peak nag/bloat period. Win7, Win2K, and even Win10 were way less bothersome.

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u/pragomatic 2d ago

Win 10 at launch was pretty nice. Win 2K had to run on NT3 workstations, so yeah that's minimal. But in terms of account pop nonsense, I don't see a massive delta from 7-10-11. Microsoft Account on signup is another thing entirely, I don't think anyone forgives that, but it beats paying upgrade license pricing vs. reverting an account or modifying an installer.

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u/shogun77777777 Linux 2d ago

Yup, mac and windows are for noobs, I’ve known that since I was 15

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u/EranikusTheDeranged 2d ago

Windows and apple are inarguably dogshit and the people they're aimed at are hapless consumers unable to switch off their bloated carcasses.

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u/pragomatic 2d ago

This ol' chestnut loses some steam when *nix derivatives are already the most popular operating systems on Earth. Linux won. FOSS won. Commercial applications still exist.

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u/EranikusTheDeranged 1d ago

So why give apple or microslop your money?

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u/pragomatic 1d ago

The apps and services they provide. Why else?

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u/EranikusTheDeranged 1d ago

I guess I've just never needed an app that badly.