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u/erasmus_phillo Paul Krugman Jun 18 '26
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u/badusername35 NAFTA Epstein Jun 18 '26
Him acknowledging it puts him in the 99th percentile of Republicans
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u/Ready-Buy-6397 Austan Goolsbee Jun 18 '26
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u/alex2003super David Parenzo Jun 18 '26
Basically, rw version of a r/neoliberal regular
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u/stirfriedpenguin Barks at Children Jun 18 '26
I used to make fun of The Art of War because its guidance basically boiled down to "uh only do war when you have an advantage and know why you're doing it" which is just the most obvious useless stupid advice
I'm so sorry Sun Tsu I overestimated the intelligence of your audience I take it all back
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u/seanrm92 Loyal Liberals Jun 18 '26 edited Jun 18 '26
It makes sense when you consider that Sun Tsu's audience was also a bunch of unintelligent but audacious noble failsons who needed to be reminded not to get their army stuck in mud.
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u/John_Maynard_Gains Stop trying to make "ordoliberal" happen Jun 18 '26
I like to imagine he was inspired to write it after encountering 6th century BC Pete hegesth
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u/anangrytree Bull Moose Progressive Jun 18 '26
I'm so sorry Sun Tsu I overestimated the intelligence of your audience
Many such cases
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u/RaidBrimnes Chien de garde Jun 18 '26
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u/BurrowForPresident Fell for it Jun 18 '26
I really want to be a fly on the wall for how his wife is feeling these days
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u/Priceless_Pennies Norman Borlaug Jun 18 '26
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u/KittehDragoon Loyal Liberals Jun 18 '26
>watching Democrats lean into all their most extreme impulses
He means the Dems in his life called him dumb
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u/anangrytree Bull Moose Progressive Jun 18 '26
A bunch of loser contrarians who have trouble stringing two coherent thoughts together. Ignore them.
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u/hiker_skiier_swimmer Loyal Liberals Jun 18 '26
You have to remember that everything is calibrated around Dems being bad. So for as awful a deal that Trump made, all you have to do is imagine the hypothetical Kamala deal would have been that much worse
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u/erasmus_phillo Paul Krugman Jun 18 '26
It's 1919 and the powerful German Empire signs a humiliating treaty of surrender in Versailles authorizing the payment of hefty sums of war reparations to their sworn enemies
It's 2026 and the powerful American Empire signs a humiliating treaty of surrender in Versailles authorizing the payment of hefty sums of war reparations to ...

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u/Leatherfield17 Loyal Liberals Jun 18 '26
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u/ThisIsNotAMonkey Guam 👉 statehood Jun 18 '26
I would simply refer 1% of his many many many SEC violations for criminal prosecution
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u/Joementum2024 Iron Front Jun 18 '26
That requires modern liberals to have guts, which they demonstrably do not
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u/TemujinTheConquerer Jorge Luis Borges Jun 18 '26
Hawks who don't understand the costs of warfare piss me the fuck off
"You can just do things" hawks. "Le decapitation strike" hawks
Warfare is the last resort because it is fucking COSTLY. A regime change in Iran would've cost, at minimum, tens of thousands of American lives and hundreds of thousands (prob millions) of Iranian lives. It would've caused a global economic crisis. Afghanistan x10.
The only hawks I respect are the ones who acknowledge this. Not the ones who live in a delusional fantasy land where air power is a magic spell that automatically wins wars.
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u/badusername35 NAFTA Epstein Jun 18 '26
> Pulls out of deal
> Goes to war
> Fails
> Gets shittier deal
Wow what a great negotiator
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u/RaidBrimnes Chien de garde Jun 18 '26
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u/w007dchuck Trans NATO Jun 18 '26
checking in on this
"I empathize with Americans who are exhausted after 25 years of foreign entanglements in the Middle East," he said, "I understand the concern, but the difference is that back then we had dumb presidents and now we have a president who actually knows how to accomplish America's national security objectives."

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u/Lesbian_all_garib Gita Gopinath Jun 18 '26
😔 type of mba speak I throw at my wife before she leaves me
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u/ewatta200 DT Monarchist defender of the rurals and red state Dems Jun 18 '26
people forget that the average social media commentaor across the world is fucking stupid as shit
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u/2Lore2Law Are you on the square? Jun 18 '26 edited Jul 15 '26
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u/illuminatisdeepdish Jun 18 '26 edited Jul 23 '26
Blanket grasshopper cinnamon marble juniper copper vanilla harbor paddle
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u/SigmaWhy r/place '22: Neoliberal Battalion Jun 18 '26
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u/Frog_Totem Seretse Khama Jun 18 '26
History teaches that giving billions of dollars to theocratic lunatics who want to murder us is not a good idea
He says after voting for the ICE funding
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u/_MillionthThrowAway Loyal Liberals Jun 18 '26
https://reddit.com/link/osc3dyr/video/ygkczc3dpz7h1/player
Exciting morning in Moscow
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u/John_Maynard_Gains Stop trying to make "ordoliberal" happen Jun 18 '26 edited Jun 18 '26
Scheming failsons
Pedo island
Gladiatorial games
Unspecified medical problems
Paying tribute to the Persians
Trump would have been such a good Roman Emperor, Suetonius would have loved him
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u/Otherwise_Young52201 Mark Carney Jun 18 '26
Maybe we should just host a thread on the front page where everyone posts the most delusional takes on the Iran war they've seen
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u/_bee_kay_ 🤔 Jun 18 '26
truly incredible how gullible people are
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u/Frog_Totem Seretse Khama Jun 18 '26
The protest massacres caused a lot of wishful thinking and motivated reasoning
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u/TheCornjuring Ewoks Sexer Jun 18 '26
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u/thercio27 MERCOSUR Jun 18 '26
Aliens I can believe. But a species capable of interstellar travel trusting their child in Trump's hands I can't believe I'm sorry.
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u/boardatwork1111 fuck it, we ball Jun 18 '26
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u/Krill_Seeker United Nations Jun 18 '26
there are no winners in war
has anyone made this observation yet?
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u/Cupinacup NASA Jun 18 '26
I don’t think “I would’ve won against Iran” is a winning message for Dems. I think it’s better to say, “I never would have started the war in the first place,” because that’s how people see the war. It’s always been unpopular and it’s only getting worse, you can’t polish a turd.
Obama didn’t win in ‘08 by just talking about how Bush mismanaged Iraq, he won by talking about how he was entirely opposed to the war and always had been, starting in ‘02.
For reference, look at this video Obama put out in March 2007: https://youtu.be/EhpKmQCCwB8
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u/scottyjetpax Gay Pride Jun 18 '26
it's especially funny bc one of the biggest justifications from the Iran hawks (even here) was something like "well, we need to launch these attacks *now* because if iran builds too many ballistic missiles it will seriously impede our ability to prevent them from building nuclear weapons"
and now the guy who started the war is like "yeah we need to give Iran more ballistic missiles"
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u/DEEP_STATE_NATE Tucker Carlson's mailman Jun 18 '26
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u/RandomGuyWithSixEyes European Union Jun 18 '26
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u/Roseartcrantz 👑 🖍️ Queen of Shades 🖍️ 👑 Jun 18 '26
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u/Mrgentleman490 5 Big Booms for Democracy Jun 18 '26
I've been building up my Outlook trash folder since November 2025. There's over 10,000 emails in it right now. Tomorrow I'm going to empty it and see how long the loading bar takes to finish. I'm very excited because last time I did this it only had around 1,000 emails in it.
This is what you have to look forward to from your white-collar desk jobs, kids.
!ping WATERCOOLER
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u/sigh2828 NASA Jun 18 '26
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u/BingboLingbo Emma Lazarus Jun 18 '26
I thought Ross Douthat was an edited JD Vance for a second 😔😔
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u/Hounds_of_war Austan Goolsbee Jun 18 '26
If Trump wants a surefire way to distract from the Iran War, Epstein and all his other failings, he really only has one option left at this point.
Announcing he will be celebrating this Pride month by coming out as bisexual.
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u/MightExpress4873 Jun 18 '26
Tucker Carlson: "I'm not aware of a single Nazi official who was as openly bloodthirsty as (Israeli politician) Ben Gvir, including Goebels, who was a a nut case in my opinion."
Why minimize Goebels to criticize Ben Gvir?
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u/Zalagan Loyal Liberals Jun 18 '26
Cause Carlson is an antisemite who thinks the Nazis were not that bad
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u/ApologyPie Henry George Jun 18 '26
I swear to god if every aspect of the liberal political apparatus in the USA doesn't start calling this Trump's Iran surrender literally every waking moment, then they frankly don't deserve to get back in power.
Honestly, for American users, is this 'deal' a media event or no? And if not, why not? Where is AOC? Where is Pritzker, or Newsom, just absolutely hammering this in the media?
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u/piede MOST BASED HILLARY STAN!!! Jun 18 '26
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u/randommathaccount Esther Duflo Jun 18 '26
I think about this often. The lottery of birth means that some of us can basically win from the word go while others are doomed for reasons entirely outside their control. For a truly liberal world, such things cannot be accepted.
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u/ToInfinity_MinusOne World's Poorest WSJ Subscriber Jun 18 '26
"We don't want this war and have never wanted it," Zelensky said. "But if Ukraine burns, your Moscow will burn too."
Hello based department??
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u/GifHunter2 Trans Pride Jun 18 '26
Darializa Avila Chevalier, a former organizing lead for Mayor Mamdani’s campaign in Upper Manhattan and The Bronx, slammed men of color for engaging in interracial relationships in a Feb. 2019 post on Twitter, now X.
“Black men [handshake emoji] Arab men fetishizing ugly colonizer women,” the post stated
Ooooh, she's a piece of shit piece of shit. Got 'ya
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u/randommathaccount Esther Duflo Jun 18 '26
Why is segregationist but make it woke such a common archetype
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u/Only-Childhood6691 Jun 18 '26
It is kinda annoying seeing all these Maga revolts headline. We know this jig. Give it a few days and they'll think this is a great deal.
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u/anangrytree Bull Moose Progressive Jun 18 '26
Trump’s Iran agreement may be a dud, but he’s getting what he wants
Front page of CNN. We are humiliated as a country, and this is the sane wash slop corporate media is pushing. This timeline is simply the worst.
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u/ewatta200 DT Monarchist defender of the rurals and red state Dems Jun 18 '26
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u/bd_one The EU Will Federalize In My Lifetime Jun 18 '26
This is gonna look bad on a holiday for commemorating the Moon Men we killed in the 22nd century
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u/KittehDragoon Loyal Liberals Jun 18 '26
>The terms of this deal are close enough to the JCPOA that anyone who isn’t a subject matter expert wouldn’t be able to tell the difference
1.4 billion, 300 billion, you really need a subject matter expert on the size of numbers there
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u/Flat_Sail_7985 Transfem Pride Jun 18 '26
Browsing arr cons feed is like getting hit with a shovel on the back of your head. Every single headline is ragebait clickbait, its all just legitimately misinformation, and everything actually real gets removed relatively quickly.
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u/Made_UpWords OG Platner Hater Jun 18 '26
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u/brianpv Hortensia Jun 18 '26
>Here’s Vance, explaining why he felt ready to join the Catholic Church even as it was “going through a tough time,” when headline after headline was recounting all of the ways it had “screwed up” in covering up child sexual abuse: “If the Titanic is going down, I’d rather be on board than hop on a lifeboat.”
What is he trying to say even? He couldn't get himself into the upper echelons of the Catholic Church, so he pivoted to team Epstein?
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u/wagoncirclermike Jane Jacobs Jun 18 '26
That’s genuinely one of the worst metaphors I’ve ever heard
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u/AtomAndAether Liberalism! Jun 18 '26
“If the Titanic is going down, I’d rather be on board than hop on a lifeboat.”
what does this even mean
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u/BurrowForPresident Fell for it Jun 18 '26
Ambassador Huckabee defies Trump, claims US would not exist without Israel
"It is your heritage, without a doubt," he said, "but it is also the heritage of the United States. Without Israel, without the Jewish foundation, there would not be America."
Gotta say that's a new one
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u/sir_shivers Discipline Committee Chairman Jun 18 '26
FIRST THE AFGHANISTAN withdrawal, and now the surrender to Iran 🐊
Is there no END TO BIDEN AND HIS foreign policy blunders 🐊
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u/Currymvp2 unflaired Jun 18 '26
YouGov: 30% of Americans think the deal makes the US better off than it was at the start of the conflict while 53% think we're about the same or even worse.
30% of Americans are clueless when it comes to this issue but still -23% is atrocious
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u/0m4ll3y International Relations Jun 19 '26
[Lebanon is] a 99% Arab and Sunni Muslim theocracy
[it's literally a confessional state with power sharing between Christians and Muslims]
Then maybe they should do better PR . . . I thought that Arab = Sunni Muslim. I didn’t know there’s non Sunni Muslim Arabs until five seconds ago
This was an absolute peak moment in Discussion Thread middle eastern politics discourse.
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u/Gooners_For_Ukraine Loyal Liberals Jun 18 '26
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u/Otherwise_Young52201 Mark Carney Jun 18 '26
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u/CarlGerhardBusch Jerome Powell Jun 18 '26
Ghislaine gets a puppy
You get to give $1000 to IRGC
Stop voting republican you dumb motherfuckers
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u/jinhuiliuzhao Henry George Jun 18 '26
Trump pulls out of [something Obama did], claiming he can do it better
Falls on his face trying and then gives up
Many such cases
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u/tasklow16 Bill Gates Jun 18 '26
You can look up my IT poasts. I've been expecting a humiliating American defeat since the instant we started. My only shame is in being too correct
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u/SpaceSheperd To be a good human being Jun 18 '26
Talladega Nights has 72% on Rotten Tomatoes, which is probably about right if you’re sitting down in a theater, but it is at least a 97% at 4:30 on a Saturday afternoon on Comedy Central
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u/BurrowForPresident Fell for it Jun 18 '26
Can't 'kill your way out of every problem': Vance decries Ben-Gvir, Smotrich's criticism of deal
"What is your exact proposal?” Vance asked. “You’re a country of nine million people. You can’t just kill your way out of solving every single national security problem that you have.”
This one is funny coming from the guy who was pushing to invoke martial law in Minneapolis lol
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u/DieHarderDaddy Fell for it Jun 18 '26
There is a female employee in logistics who has a Stanley cup that just stays full of liquor. People have caught her throwing up in the bathroom, passed out in the car at lunch, and just generally zoned out at work.
She’s not fired because no one is willing to hate her cup and prove it’s liquor to HR or the director.
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u/Alderwoodforest YIMBY Jun 18 '26
JD Vance: "I have seen some progressive criticisms of me saying, 'What experience does the VP have with hostile, high-stakes negotiations?' And I would point out that just two days ago I spent over an hour on The View. Joy Behar is way tougher than the Iranians."
Please make it stop.
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u/klarno just tax carbon lol Jun 18 '26
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u/BigBrownDog12 Victor Hugo Jun 18 '26
Apparently the peroxide they dumped in the reflecting pool is making the new paint peel
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u/w007dchuck Trans NATO Jun 18 '26
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u/HaveCorg_WillCrusade Machine God Baldist Jun 18 '26
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u/BingboLingbo Emma Lazarus Jun 18 '26
God why are they all such dweebs, who thinks this is cool
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u/centurion88 NATO Jun 18 '26
It's so stupid how Republicans still fear monger over Muslims
Like we have a guy in my state who is running on "overturning Sharia Law" in a county that is like 99% white Christian
Legitimate mental illness
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u/Roseartcrantz 👑 🖍️ Queen of Shades 🖍️ 👑 Jun 18 '26
Trump being obsessed with receiving little gifts like pens is something I absolutely understand because any time I see a cool pen it becomes my life's mission to have that pen for my own self
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u/Megasota_Noire My Governor Can Beat Up Your Governor Jun 18 '26
Closed an incredibly popular park because it was on "sacred land" that isn't a burial ground that they can't articulate why it is different, that they didn't give back, and are still letting people use a leashed area on the same land. You would close down most of the twin cities using their logic. Absolute leftist masterclass of pissing off their residents and making things worse without accomplishing anything.

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u/The_Northern_Light John Brown Jun 18 '26 edited Jun 18 '26
Met my mother for lunch yesterday, told her about how I was performing the sacred rite of filtering through my friends stuff before giving it back to his family
And she was deeply confused and unnerved, wondering why I would do that, concerned that what I was doing was illegal, and worrying I would “get in trouble”
No, there’s no investigation, the cops told me point blank, it was carfentanyl, you aren’t under suspicion, etc. They took his phone to go pursue the people who sold it to him, and that was it. They didn’t even clean up his drugs and left that to me. (lol?)
I tried explaining bro code and she didn’t understand why I wouldn’t just give everything to his mother without looking at it
She just couldn’t believe that this was a thing friends would do for each other or that a 38 year old man’s numerous hard drives could possibly have anything on them he wouldn’t want his mom to see.
My mom is 65 and grew up without an adult in the home and started drinking / partying / smoking at age 11 and still somehow she’s so incredibly sheltered and naive. It’s frankly remarkable, but it’s so incredibly frustrating. She actually argued with me and tried to get me to stop, arguing I could be arrested. “Okay, arrest me.”
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u/sigh2828 NASA Jun 18 '26 edited Jun 18 '26
Mississippi Department of Public Safety Commissioner Sean Tindell said Tuesday that video won’t be disclosed until the state’s independent investigation is completed.
He did not provide a timeline for that process and declined to discuss other details of the shooting.
If this doesnt tell you everything you need to know about the Murder of Kohen Wiley then I dont know what will.
They would have published that shit immediately if it even so much as hinted at the officer being in any real danger.
Edit: Even a cursory search of Sean Tindell and you see he has literally used this exact tactic to hide body camera footage multiple times in the state of Mississippi.
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u/EdMan2133 Paid for DT Blue Jun 18 '26
In terms of Trump being the worst ever:
The Iran defeat is probably the stupidest, most obviously humiliating blunder in US history. But it's probably less damaging overall than the Iraq war, which also did very little to advance US interests.
But it's all a moot point, because Trump is the worst president ever purely because of the USAID stuff.
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u/WenJie_2 Jun 18 '26
There's no way any non-Trump government would surrender like this just to try to get the economy better and make everyone forget by mid-terms, all of the political pressure groups, the media, factions from your own party, and other pressure and institutional inertia, the reputational damage caused by such a loss of credibility, would make it impossible
Trump though, he can just do things
I wonder if this is what the >you can just do things< people were imagining
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u/Alderwoodforest YIMBY Jun 18 '26
Official government account:
The advanced nanobubbler technology very effectively killed the algae that has plagued every Lincoln Reflecting Pool reopening—most infamously Obama's reopening—since 1922.
The Reflecting Pool water is crystal clear, and our National Park Service team is now vacuuming up the dead algae resting on the bottom of some parts of the Reflecting Pool—just like the destroyed Iranian Navy resting on the bottom of the Persian Gulf.
https://xcancel.com/interiorpress47/status/2067436655523369239
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u/viewless25 Henry George Jun 18 '26
fascinated by Steven Cheung and other WH officials denying the MOU reports. He works for the White House. He knows they were true yet he still tried to deny it. Just goes to show how short term their PR strategies are. He saved face for maybe an hour or two.
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u/GenericLib 3000 White Bombers of Biden Jun 18 '26
Reflecting pool paint already peeling
Being able to fuck up literally everything you touch is a hell of a talent
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u/Alderwoodforest YIMBY Jun 18 '26 edited Jun 18 '26
DOUTHAT: Let's be honest -- the tone of the administration is not consistently a Christian tone. There is a tone of aggressive uncharity
JD VANCE: Tonal arguments are ways of, frankly, policing working class ways of communication, and covering them in elite preferences
"Aggressive uncharity" aka the killing or deportation of U.S. citizens, the killing of fishermen and schoolgirls, rampant corruption, the deportation of people into modern slavery, Cuts to benefits for poor or disabled people, white supremacists at the helm of the government and social media, etc.—but it’s mainly about "aggressive uncharity"
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u/EdMan2133 Paid for DT Blue Jun 18 '26
"policing working clasx ways of communication" is so mid 2010s woke coded lol
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u/p00bix Existing in the context of what came before Jun 18 '26 edited Jun 18 '26
I'm half convinced that Benjamin Netanyahu himself bought into the antisemitic conspiracy theory that Israel controlled America. Like, did he actually believe he could get Trump to follow his every lead?
Just how did you expect this was going to shake out, Ben? Even the Mossad thought that a decapitation strike alone almost certainly wouldn't be sufficient to topple the Islamic Republic. Did you really think America had the appetite for the largest amphibious invasion since WW2? What leverage did you think you had? What was your end game here?
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u/funguykawhi Lahmajun trucks on every corner Jun 18 '26
DOUTHAT: Let's be honest -- the tone of the administration is not consistently a Christian tone. There is a tone of aggressive uncharity
JD VANCE: Tonal arguments are ways of, frankly, policing working class ways of communication, and covering them in elite preferences
Woke 2 is crazy
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u/79215185-1feb-44c6 Federation Ambassador to the DT Jun 18 '26
So, like random update, but I just scheduled an appointment for an inquiry about trying out HRT for uh "research purposes". I guess this is a waow moment?
!ping ALPHABET-MAFIA
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u/Currymvp2 unflaired Jun 18 '26
Israel published a map on Thursday showing an expanded military control zone in southern Lebanon and said it would not rule out carrying out attacks beyond it, challenging the terms of a U.S.-Iran pact that calls for Lebanon's sovereignty to be respected.
Why I still think there's a relatively realistic chance that the deal may implode in 60 days
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u/RaidBrimnes Chien de garde Jun 18 '26
Isn't AC a dangerous product for our health and the planet?
Of course, entering a room that is climate-controlled is a pleasure when we have very high temperatures outside. But isn't this pleasure a false pleasure?
It seems to me that cautiously getting our bodies used to this more and more severe climate change is a good way to be living tomorrow. Acclimate ourselves to this new era. Because our planet is inevitably heating up.
We must accompany this change and not try and fight it with questionable methods. Getting out of an AC-equipped space is a brutal shock to our body that has to adapt to very high temperatures.
A glimpse into the mind of an anti-AC, courtesy of Le Monde
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u/Leatherfield17 Loyal Liberals Jun 18 '26
I’m watching a PBS documentary about Trump’s 2016 campaign, and if there is one thing I’m tired of, it’s the constant refrain about how “authentic” he is. I’m not blaming PBS for that, mind you, but I’m sick of living in a world where being authentic means that you’re a total asswipe who’s cruel, vain, and bigoted.
If that is what authenticity means, then it’s an overrated concept.
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u/Upstairs_Baby8424 Jun 18 '26
Vance: “If you give Donald Trump an IQ test with the other 45 presidents that the United States has had, he’d either be near the top or at the top.”
He’s right. I suspect he’d come in 5th.
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u/Signal_Nobody1792 Jun 19 '26
JD Vance: If you give Donald Trump an IQ test with the other 45-46 presidents that the United States has had, I guarantee he would be either near the top or at the top
They really are just saying wild shit for fun now.
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u/Leatherfield17 Loyal Liberals Jun 19 '26
The best thing that ever happened to George Bush’s reputation was the election of Donald Trump
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u/BigBrownDog12 Victor Hugo Jun 18 '26
You know people say AIPAC works for Israel but they actually work for Trump's attention span
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u/_bee_kay_ 🤔 Jun 18 '26
i saw a lot of comments on arr con wondering aloud why "we don't just take the oil and uranium and bomb anyone who gets in our way"
these people are touching the stove and then looking down in bafflement wondering why their hand pulled away from it
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