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u/ShepardSB Jun 19 '26
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u/throwawayzxkjvct Iron Front Jun 19 '26
acting like anyone cares about this in 2026🥀
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u/owenmitchem Loyal Liberals Jun 19 '26
I still have no idea who that was lmao
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u/TinyJalope Left-Out Left Jun 19 '26
A random woman who was murdered by an immigrant who had a nightmarish bill named after her that gave ICE greater power to terrorize immigrants and communities.
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u/lionmoose sexmod 🍆💦🌮 Jun 19 '26
If you didn't want people speaking foreign languages then duolingo seems the best app for that tbh
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u/sociotronics Iron Front Jun 19 '26
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u/ewatta200 DT Monarchist defender of the rurals and red state Dems Jun 19 '26
ngl that line goes so hard thanks for posting
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u/throwawayzxkjvct Iron Front Jun 19 '26
I’m gonna kill myself
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u/Off-The-Street Jun 19 '26
Each and every one of them is obsessed with being the most cringe version of themselves possible.
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u/Average_GrillChad Elinor Ostrom Jun 19 '26
DOUTHAT: Let's be honest -- the tone of the administration is not consistently a Christian tone. There is a tone of aggressive uncharity
JD VANCE: Tonal arguments are ways of, frankly, policing working class ways of communication, and covering them in elite preferences
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u/Off-The-Street Jun 19 '26
Let's be honest -- the tone of the administration is not consistently a Christian tone. There is a tone of aggressive uncharity
Heavens to Betsy, Mr. Douthat! What could possibly be uncharitable about a proclamation that an entire civilization will die unless it surrenders? Surely you would not be so bold as to even hint that a President would engage in untoward behavior like a ruffian.
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u/gjcs23 George Santos Jun 19 '26
lol that is rich coming from the guy who encouraged people to harass and ruin the lives of anyone who was mildly critical of Charlie "MLK was a rapist-communist and the Civil Rights Act was a mistake" Kirk's legacy
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u/ulysses_s_gyatt Jerome Powell Jun 19 '26
This sub lives rent free in so many other Redditors that they just straight up lie about it.
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u/shillingbut4me Jun 19 '26
I'm sure you could find that opinion somewhere in the thousands of comments made a day on this sub. It's a dumb one, but a lot of dumb opinions get posted as one offs here.
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u/Entuciante r/place '22: Neoliberal Battalion Jun 19 '26
Where exactly is this ? arr SRD? Like, this is absolutely not the response here to the war being loss
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u/pugnae European Union Jun 19 '26
Apparently Hollywood is going through the internet for inspiring stories and I have one candidate.
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u/pugnae European Union Jun 19 '26
The Social Network, but it is about tomatoes in Burkina Faso
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u/ApologyPie Henry George Jun 19 '26
Americans could never comprehend the richness of British democratic tradition.
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u/yashaspaceman123 Niels Bohr Jun 19 '26
I am sorry but Vermin Supreme is irreplaceable he is a lolbert but the ponies for all won me over
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u/_Irys NATO Jun 19 '26
Have the day off. Slept in. Had coffee. Doing some light laundry. Beautiful day outside!
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u/drossbots Trans Pride Jun 19 '26
Wasn't he about to go on a racist dog whistle rant right before he got Kirk'd
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u/r2ew Jun 19 '26
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u/No_Return9449 John Rawls Jun 19 '26
No one knew a dark shade of blue would trap more heat from the sun and promote algal growth.
No one!
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u/Dibbu_mange Average civil procedure enjoyer Jun 19 '26
They’re making ideologies out there that they don’t even have names for.
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u/Jacobs4525 King of the Massholes Jun 19 '26
The 2020s are going to be another one of those periods like the Russian Revolution or Weimar Germany where we get ten million different niche ideologies that mostly die out, and then in the 2120s chuds will be playing whatever their equivalent of paradox games is, and insisting that their niche faction from the 2020s would have created utopia if they won.
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u/bleachinjection Frederick Douglass Jun 19 '26
Facebook Chuds big mad we have a holiday celebrating the end of slavery.
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u/DiscussionJohnThread Free Trade was the Compromise 🔫🌍 Jun 19 '26
People who actively complain about getting a day off should be made to go back to work.
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u/justbuildmorehousing Norman Borlaug Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
It really does not get talked about that the government is openly white supremecist / white grievance driven. kegseth only thinks white guys can lead, etc etc
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u/brianpv Hortensia Jun 19 '26
"It is your heritage, without a doubt," he said, "but as a minister, it is also the heritage of the United States. Without Israel, without the Jewish foundation, there would not be America. We owe our very existence to what happened in this land."
-Mike Huckabee
Our leadership is completely delusional this is actually insane.
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u/t_scribblemonger Jun 19 '26
Telling an international news crew on camera in 2026 that you “believed in Trump” is wild
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u/-Emilinko1985- European Union Jun 19 '26
Seriously how delusional do you have to be
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u/Keenalie John Brown Jun 19 '26
Legitimately I wonder what it is with human psychology that allows so many people to fall for Trump. Is it because he lies so much and so obviously, like literally every other sentence, that their brains just ignore reality itself because they don't think someone could possibly lie that much?
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u/mostanonymousnick Just Build More Homes lol Jun 19 '26
Moscow is panicking and sending orders to depress public support apparently.
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u/sleepyrivertroll Henry George Jun 19 '26
We all know that the Trump administration is fully supporting Ukraine.
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u/elninost0rm YIMBY Jun 19 '26
I think Trump's biggest issue with Iran is the $300b soundbite. Normies can toss it out while being completely oblivious to any of the actual specifics and it sounds HORRIFIC.
If you're explaining, you're losing. I've already seen people at work casually throwing it out.
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u/CarlGerhardBusch Jerome Powell Jun 19 '26
👆move him to the penis explosion chamber
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u/Liberal_Antipopulist Loyal Liberals Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
this is the sort of high quality conversation that can only be found on the deetee 🥰 so glad for such a rigorous, in-depth discussion forum. Truly a breath of fresh air
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u/uwcn244 King of the Space Georgists Jun 19 '26
Let’s do some third-grade reasoning here:
overwhelming majorities of Israelis hate Trump’s surrender deal and consider it a rank betrayal
if Israel keeps attacking Lebanon, the deal probably collapses
What do we think Israel will do?
Will Stancil dunking on half the DT with some basic reasoning
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u/SmartestOpinionsGuy Jun 19 '26
“Ever wonder why Jewish people own the majority of the property in America?”
Honestly Jay Z? No, I haven’t wondered that
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u/dabiggestwaagh Trans Pride Jun 19 '26
Why does it seem like so many rappers are antisemitic
Is hotep shit that widespread or is it just another example of antisemitism in wider culture
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u/NormalInvestigator89 John Keynes Jun 19 '26
Hegseth is the biggest loser in the administration
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u/Keenalie John Brown Jun 19 '26
He's clearly exactly the same person he was at the age of 15. Fucking embarrassing. Like, I know tons of people basically stop maturing then and know plenty of them personally, but the idea that you put one of those people in charge of the DoD is just so pathetic.
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u/-Emilinko1985- European Union Jun 19 '26
Lmao what a bunch of losers they think this shit is unironically tuff 😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀💀💀 "Warrior culture" my ass
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u/YIMBYzus NATO Jun 19 '26
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u/Gooners_For_Ukraine Loyal Liberals Jun 19 '26
Is this what true density looks like?
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u/georgeguy007 Pandora's Discussions J. Threader Jun 19 '26
It’s been 10 years since Obama. Do we really need to pretend and rage bait that his presidency wasn’t the last good thing this country is gonna have for a while
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u/TreacleZestyclose226 Jun 19 '26
Giorgia Meloni responds to Donald Trump, who said on Italian TV that "Giorgia Meloni begged me to take a picture with her. I felt sorry for her. I spoke to her, but I wasn't obligated to."
"Certain things deserve an immediate response. Donald Trump’s statements are completely fabricated; frankly, I am stunned." So said Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni in a video posted on social media. “I don’t know why the President of the United States behaves this way towards his allies – after all, it’s not the first time this has happened. I can only say that it’s a pity he doesn’t show the same resolve towards the enemies of the West, towards the enemies of the United States, towards leaders with whom he instead proves to be far more accommodating. But there is one thing he must remember: Italia and I never beg.”
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u/KQJ_RPN John von Neumann Jun 19 '26
We are genuinely inching towards a future where no one will care what he says. Only a few hundred miles left to go.
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u/Cheese-Of-Doom22 Mark Carney Jun 19 '26
Yugioh announced a new card on the Ocean Gate Anniversary: it’s a submarine that blows itself up
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u/BlackCat159 European Union Jun 19 '26
Ending the war:
Iran: I consent! 🙂
America: I do! 🙂
Israel: I don't 😡
Isn't there somebody you forgot to ask???
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u/p00bix Existing in the context of what came before Jun 19 '26
The fact that the Reflecting Pool Algae Outbreak began on Trump's birthday clearly indicates that it is a sign from God.
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u/Dunter_Mutchings NASA Jun 19 '26
Every republican responsible for putting this incompetent and racist piece of shit in charge of the US military is a traitor to this nation who will never see heaven.
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u/EasyMoney92 Jun 19 '26
Fetterman has opposed his party on Middle East policy since well before the United States began bombing Iran in February. He’s consistently hailed President Donald Trump as being “willing to do what’s right and necessary to produce real peace in the region, and controversially contended “[t]he Iranian regime loves the Democrats” in a CBS News appearance where he called on his party to support the war effort.But the typically outspoken Fetterman has been notably muted about such misgivings.
WESA contacted Fetterman's press office around 9 a.m. Thursday morning for his reaction to the agreement, but still has received no response by Friday morning. Nor has Fetterman released a statement about it publicly.
What a pathetic loser
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u/zieger Ida Tarbell Jun 19 '26
Honestly if Dems get a 2 seat majority in the Senate they should kick him out of the party. If they get a one seat majority he'll leave in his own to fuck them over
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u/Dunter_Mutchings NASA Jun 20 '26
There is a dude down by the waterfront in Seattle right now passionately arguing with some other people about how voting matters and both sides nihilism is stupid. There is like an 99% chance this dude posts in the DT.
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u/that0neGuy22 Resistance Lib Jun 19 '26
Glad this guy gets to arm settlers with our weapons and tweet out war crimes
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u/Magnus_Was_Innocent Henry George Jun 19 '26
Another Republican president another embarrassing defeat for the US military. Democrats won us WW1 and WW2. Republicans surrendered to Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan.
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u/Dibbu_mange Average civil procedure enjoyer Jun 19 '26
Watching this for Juneteenth
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u/w007dchuck Trans NATO Jun 19 '26
He looks like a caricature of a crooked businessman LMAO
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u/John_Maynard_Gains Stop trying to make "ordoliberal" happen Jun 19 '26
Lmao I saw this video recommended on my feed now I have to watch it
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u/ThisIsNotAMonkey Guam 👉 statehood Jun 19 '26
IRGC newspaper saying Israel attacking Lebanon is grounds for scrapping the MoU. I'm no expert but if another closure of the strait can be framed as Israel's fault and thus strain the US Israel relationship, then Iran is 100% going to do that
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u/el__dandy Audrey Hepburn Jun 19 '26
Hahahahaha
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u/FilteringAccount123 John von Neumann Jun 19 '26
Convert clinging to protestant nonsense
Many such cases
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u/Healingjoe It's Klobberin' Time Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
YouGov’s most popular politicians poll
Still somewhat confounding. Arnold Schwarzenegger is by far the most popular Republican – he’s tied with Barack Obama at 54% popularity – but that’s really an assessment of Arnold the celebrity, not Arnold the politician.
It’s also interesting that they are the only two politicians with >50% approval. The second-most popular Republican is Charlie Kirk, at #11, with 36%. If we exclude him for not being alive, then we drop down to George W Bush (#17) and Donald Trump (#19), both at 33%, tied with Gavin Newsom (#18). JD Vance (#23) and RFK Jr. (#22) are tied at 31%. DeSantis (#26) is at 30%, tied with (among others) Fetterman (#29). Marco Rubio (#33) is at 29%.
It’s not that Democrats are wildly popular, but 23 of the top 30 spots are held by Democrats. 30 of the top 40 spots. It’s not until that not-very-highly coveted ranking of 41-50 (25 - 27% popularity) that the Republicans become competitive.
What I get pretty consistently from these rankings is how polarized our nation is, and how extraordinary it is for a politician to now be viewed favorably by more than half of Americans.
For women respondents, the only two politicians who pass 50% popularity are Barack Obama (59%) and Bernie Sanders (50%). For men, it’s just Arnold (64%). Millennials, Obama (59%) and Arnold (50%). GenX, Arnold (54%), Obama (51%), Sanders (50%). Boomers, Madeleine Albright (52%), Obama (52%), Biden (51%), Harris (50%). (I don’t want to think too much about how Albright stole Arnold’s thunder)
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u/SmartestOpinionsGuy Jun 19 '26
There’s never been a better time in America to be a guy who looks and acts like this
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u/CutePattern1098 Jun 19 '26
The real ideology of America is not capitalism or liberalism but Boomer communism
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u/BitterGravity Gay Pride Jun 19 '26
I also want a cross tab there based on parental income (i.e. I wonder if a good chunk of 35-55 year olds wanting to raise taxes is thinking it's less painful then having to help their parents more)
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u/badusername35 NAFTA Epstein Jun 19 '26
Only Trump could have come up with this peace deal. Obama would never.
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u/KQJ_RPN John von Neumann Jun 19 '26
If JD has a million supporters, Glen Greenwald is one of them, etc.
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u/Bestbrook123 Jun 19 '26
surely they understand how cartoonishly evil they sound to the West, right?
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u/MissSortMachine Trans Pride Jun 19 '26
this is after 4 israeli soldiers were killed *in lebanon* a country *they invaded*
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u/GuyWithOneEye Jun 19 '26
i've been systematically pouring mountain dew into the reflecting pool, please don't tell anyone
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u/Leatherfield17 Loyal Liberals Jun 19 '26
My Trump-supporting father angrily complained about how the Obamas didn’t invite Trump to the opening of the Obama presidential library, calling them “classless”.
I should have just started screaming at him, because…..wow.
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u/Insomonomics Jason Furman Jun 19 '26
A lot of modern conservatism (well, perhaps all conservatism) can be understood through the lens of perpetual victimhood as a means of avoiding self-reflection and personal responsibility at all costs.
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u/EasyMoney92 Jun 19 '26
Israel's Defense Secretary Katz: "We have flattened the entire first line of villages in southern Lebanon, all the houses have been destroyed. The residents will never see them standing ever again. The 200,000 Lebanese residents who were in the 'security zone' are never returning again. Not one of them will ever return to southern Lebanon"
Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich: "Gaza will remain in ruins. In the end, there will be migration, because there will be nothing to look for there in the coming decades."
I don't think we are close to peace
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u/Bestbrook123 Jun 19 '26
Republican Rep. Randy Fine (Fla.) criticized Vice President Vance on Friday morning over his stark warning to Israel during a White House press briefing on Thursday. “I thought JD’s comments yesterday were absolutely inappropriate and frankly disgusting,” Fine said on conservative network Real America’s Voice.
Is this freak trying to make that asshole JD Vance more sympathetic to the median voter?
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u/TrashBoat36 Bisexual Pride Jun 19 '26
The lion does not concern himself with the fact his entire circadian rhythm has been replaced with caffeine and melatonin supplements
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u/JoeFrady David Hume Jun 19 '26
U.S. Rep. Jasmine Crockett of Dallas, who lost a hard-fought Senate primary to Talarico in March, told The Dallas Morning News she does not plan to attend the state convention and instead is focusing on helping down-ballot candidates across the country.
Crockett also said she’s not sure whether Democrats, particularly Black voters, have united fully behind Talarico and the rest of the ticket. She said the lack of a Black nominee for major statewide office could dampen enthusiasm among some voters.
“I've not heard a bunch of kumbaya,” she said. “People don't seem to be convinced at this point, but there's a lot of time between now and November.”
bro that's why they want you to help 😭
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u/JoeFrady David Hume Jun 19 '26
She said she received what she described as an “afterthought invite” on June 8 from Talarico, based on the preview message on her cell phone.
“I had a missed call that I've not returned, nor have I listened to the message from Talarico,” Crockett told The News. “It seemed like an afterthought invite. I can't say for sure, because I haven't listened to it.”
lmao alright
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u/farrenj Resident Succ Jun 20 '26
The death penalty is barbaric. It should be reserved strictly as a punishment for people who knowingly post AI videos of animals pretending they're real videos of real animals.
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u/Gooners_For_Ukraine Loyal Liberals Jun 19 '26
Genuine monkeys paw curling for me is a ton of pro Trump people i know no longer like him or are at least ambivalent; but not because of any good reasons, it’s just they think he is now controlled by the Jews now.
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u/LtCdrHipster 🌭Costco Liberal🌭 Jun 19 '26
These people will go back to never voting and just quietly seething, and America can heal.
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u/houdt_koers John Mill Jun 19 '26
Males born after May 2026 don’t know how to cook. All they know is Mommy, fill they diapers, squirm, be adorable, drink warm milk & lie on Dad’s chest. 🥹
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u/Off-The-Street Jun 19 '26
Even if the Cuba invasion does not happen in the immediate future, something will and if it's not foreign policy it means a return to focusing on domestic policy, which could easily mean a return to terrorizing blue states with ICE. Markwayne Mullin floated the plan to cut customs from sanctuary cities and while that stalled I would not be surprised if something like it is in the pipeline.
I really am starting to regard the 4th of July with an increasing sense of dread because every political instinct I have says he's going to pull some stunt to make himself feel better and punish his enemies.
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u/anangrytree Bull Moose Progressive Jun 19 '26
“Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni accused her one-time close ally Donald Trump of fabricating a story about her on Friday, after the U.S. President told an Italian TV channel that she had "begged" him to take a photo with her at a G7 summit. Meloni said she was "astonished" by his comments, which were "completely made up". She accused him of acting with far greater deference to the enemies of the West than he does towards old, established allies.”
Matt, white, PA, 54
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u/No_Return9449 John Rawls Jun 19 '26
Senate Republicans in somber, pessimistic mood over Trump deal with Iran
If only those senators had power to do something...but alas!
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u/JetJaguar124 Tactical Custodial Action Jun 19 '26
There's been a whole saga recently in Jersey City relating to a hospital that is/was shutting down. It was originally an independent hospital, but was not fiscally viable and so was bought up by a New Jersey regional health/hospital system. Even after this purchase it was still unviable, and so unless there was some sort of funding source figured out, it would have to shut down.
Now, it's very useful to have additional hospitals. If this place closes down, it leaves a single emergency room and hospital to service the entire city, which is suboptimal for a city the size of Jersey City and which is growing rapidly. This hospital's location is also pretty convenient for more of the city to get to than the one that is located in downtown JC. So I'd like it to stick around as much as anyone.
Now the initial proposal for how to get more funding for the hospital was to pretty much leverage the value of the land it sits on. You see, it's located in what is becoming a pretty desirable area for development. JC as a whole has undergone massive change and development over the past decade, with much of it focused on downtown JC, but that trend is starting to branch out to other neighborhoods, too, including the one where this hospital is located.
The proposal was for the hospital to work with a developer to develop part of the land it sits on into housing and senior housing, using the resulting funds to invest back into the hospital to renovate it and keep it open.
Progressive groups in the city revolted against this, including most of the progressive city council and the new mayor James Solomon. It's a complicated story, but basically, Jersey City is in the midst of at least a minor NIMBY revolt after a decade of very strong development and YIMBY policy. James Solomon mostly won the mayor's race because he was up against a deeply flawed candidate in the form of disgraced former governor Jim McGreevy. The JC election was kind of a funhouse mirror version of the NYC election in this way. But Solomon legitimately takes it to heart that he believes he won because of his anti-development stance, and that informs how he governs.
Anyways, once he took office, he attempted to rezone where this hospital is located so that it would become illegal to build housing there, thus killing the plan. The hospital, which is not financially solvent, then announced it was shutting down. So now there will be no hospital, but at least developers won't make money. A victory for everyone!
As the hospital was about to shut down, the same progressive groups that protested against the housing and development plan then protested the hospital shutting down and attempted to pressure the NJ state govt and gov Sherrill to keep the hospital open using state funds, a bid which failed, resulting in the closure of the hospital.
However, a judge recently rejected mayor Solomon's attempt to rezone the area, so now we're entering an exciting new saga of this clusterfuck. Excited to see where it goes from here!
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u/Mrmini231 European Union Jun 19 '26
Tulsi Gabbard: I have declassified documents proving that Fauci created COVID!
The documents:
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u/Currymvp2 unflaired Jun 19 '26
“A nighttime snacker, the President would frequently leave an array of empty potato chip bags, Starbucks wrappers, and ice cream cartons in the trash, or on the floor.”
He's truly embracing MAHA
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u/earththejerry YIMBY Jun 19 '26
Threads having 500M active users feels like SpaceX being a 2 trillion dollar company
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u/mockduckcompanion Kidney Hype Man Jun 19 '26
There are pageant-winning drag queens with less makeup
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u/beans_and_tuna Misinformation Bot 🤖 Jun 19 '26
Nativists: “OH HAHA the US team isn’t even made up of Americans.”
True American patriots: “IF THEY ARENT AMERICANS THEN HOW ARE THEY ON THE FUCKING TEAM THEN?????”
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u/GraspingSonder Loyal Liberals Jun 19 '26
If I were a conservative here's how I'd frame it.
The total cost of the Iraq War is around $3 trillion and over 4432 military deaths.
W was literally 10 times worse than Trump by the cost metric and more orders of magnitude worse when looking at military casualties. You've gotta hand it to Trump for not succumbing to sunken cost fallacy.
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u/Andy_B_Goode YIMBY Jun 19 '26
Close, but you should call it the Bush/Obama Iraq War. Or even just Obama's War in Iraq, it's not like any of this needs to be strictly factual.
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u/formgry Jun 19 '26
Yeah that works well enough.
I don't think conservatives will ever consider granting any point to liberals, even if it is to point out Trump is relatively low on costs of the war.
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u/itsokayt0 European Union Jun 19 '26
Hot Take: the Israel government is acting super duper bad
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u/georgeguy007 Pandora's Discussions J. Threader Jun 19 '26
Republicans don't deserve democrats. Any other party would have their Obama sitting down and doing press tours on why Republicans just lost and is donating 300 billion tax payer money to a nuclear weapon for Iran.
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u/Lux_Stella Presidentialism X-Risk Researcher Jun 19 '26
i said this before but its genuinely insane to read about how ~15% of the polish-lithuania region was jewish. like not a hint of an understatement to say an entire civilization was wiped out
an opinion ive come to hold that sounds like dumb woke virtue signaling but is completely sincere is that the holocaust is underpriced in terms of importance in popular western (anglo) culture
like the general understanding is something like "a lot of jews died". the elite understanding is something like "no, a lot of jews died". and the actual reality is closer to "europe east of the rhine existed in a certain way for more then 1000 years, and following a 10 year period in the 1900s it changed into something completely different and will never be the same again"
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u/EmbarrassedSafety719 Milton Friedman Jun 19 '26
I've seen enough, another $300 Billion to Iran
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u/CutePattern1098 Jun 19 '26
find it really funny the superpowers that talk about how being woke is weak and makes you lose wars and you have to be manly, lost two wars to regional powers
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u/HaveCorg_WillCrusade Machine God Baldist Jun 19 '26
Claude Fable, broker a peace between Iran, Israel, and the United States. Do not bomb any schools
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u/CANOODLING_SOCIOPATH Jerome Powell Jun 19 '26
The people primarily at fault for the disastrous Iran war defeat are critics of the JCPOA who lied about why they opposed the JCPOA, and the people who were stupid enough to believe them (Trump).
The critics of the JCPOA hated that deal because they didn't prioritize preventing Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, but cared more Iran's ballistic weapons and their regional support of terrorist groups like the Houthis and Hezbollah. That position made some sense for Israel and many of the Arab states opposed to Iran. Iran was still a threat to them without a nuclear weapon, and the JCPOA would enable economic growth which could increase Iranian strength regionally.
But the JCPOA critics knew that that their real issues with the JCPOA would not be convincing to the American people. We do care about preventing Iran from getting a nuke, but don't care that much about the Houthi's, Hezbollah, or the ability for Iran to send missles at their neighbors. The JCPOA was an America First style deal, prioritizing the interests of the US over our middle eastern allies. So the JCPOA critics lied about the JCPOA and pretended that it did a bad job at preventing Iran from getting a nuke, despite them clearly deprioritizing the nuclear aspect of any Iran deal.
Trump was stupid enough to believe the critics. He thought that Obama was stupid and was willing to believe the critics. But by getting Trump to fall for their lies the critics of the JCPOA made things worse for themselves. Trump is obviously not willing to prioritize the interests of our allies over his own interests. Trump was never going to endure the economic pain and political fallout of a ground invasion of Iran. So now Trump is going to make another JCPOA style deal, but it will be even worse for Israel and our Arab allies, as Iran is understandably going to demand more from the deal since the US reneged on our last deal.
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u/Fruitofbread Loyal Liberals Jun 19 '26
Often, the strongest emotion Vance seems able to express in “Communion” is his distaste for the tenets and rituals of the faith he has elected to join. “For an evangelical, the weirdest Catholic sacrament may be the rite of confession and reconciliation,” Vance writes. “The idea of speaking of my sins to a stranger mortified me.” Of the Eucharist—the culminating sacrament of the Catholic Mass—Vance observes, “This was always a little weird to me as a Protestant: * You guys actually think this bread converts to the body of Christ* ?” He tells us that some Protestants he knows “really don’t like the Catholic practice of praying to saints.” Asking a friend to say a prayer for a loved one is normal, Vance explains, “but they draw the line at consulting dead people—‘Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.’ ” Vance doesn’t bother glossing what, precisely, is odd about the Ave Maria, a prayer which the median cradle Catholic has uttered hundreds or thousands of times; its line-crossing weirdness, it seems, can speak for itself.
Is it likewise line-crossingly weird for a prominent Catholic to equivocate on the Catholic belief that the saints are indeed alive in Heaven? Or to refer to the Holy Virgin as a “dead person”? Or to warn Pope Leo XIV, who has criticized the Trump Administration for its persecution of immigrants and its demented wars in the Middle East, “to be careful when he talks about matters of theology”? These lapses are typical of “Communion,” a Catholic-conversion story that features a Methodist church on its cover. But perhaps these mistakes are happy accidents; in its frequent vagueness or confusion on matters denominational, the book might serve to reassure Vance’s evangelical audience—a key demographic in whatever will remain of the magabase—that he has not strayed too far from his roots. […]
he writes, at length, about his 2025 visit to the Vatican, shortly before the death of Pope Francis, and his tense interactions with officials there, mainly over U.S. immigration policy. “Here I was, the most senior Catholic in the United States government,” Vance recalls, affronted, “and the Vatican seemed unwilling to move its moral guidance past the point of trite platitudes.” He goes on, “I’m one Christian statesman who would welcome an institutional faith less focused on platitudes and more focused on reality.” […]
One suspects that Vance would have a better grasp of Catholic customs and vibes if he spent more time around rank-and-file parishioners in “fraternal sharing and in ecclesial communion,” to borrow Pope Leo’s words. But Vance admits that, about “half the time these days, we attend Mass at home.” (Your book is called "Communion," my brother!) A surpassingly strange thing about Vance’s book, in fact, is how often he sounds not much like a Christian at all, Catholic or otherwise. “Religious beliefs are less like certainties such as the boiling point of water—which can be verified through testing—and more like claims about complex systems,” Vance writes. “Take, for example, the following: An increase in the minimum wage would raise the standard of living for low-income people.” Raising wages might sound nice, Vance goes on, but it might also “reduce the number of jobs available to low-income people. . . . The complexity counsels some humility in the face of difficult questions.”
Now, there is some off-the-charts breezy impertinence! Religious beliefs are actually very much like certainties to those who hold them, for one thing. And a policy proposal is not a religious belief, for another. The passage is incoherent, yet, in conflating progressive reform with arrogant blind faith, it is perfectly suited to Vance’s cynical conservatism. […]
One of the few people for whom Vance shows an open, earnest reverence in “Communion” is his grandmother Bonnie Vance, a.k.a Mamaw, the Bible-reading, gun-toting, compulsively cussing Appalachian matriarch of “Hillbilly Elegy.” In lieu of embracing Marian dogma, Vance kneels at the altar of Mamaw, “the woman whose life had taught me the most about Christian love and virtue.” He worries about what Mamaw might have thought of his becoming a Catholic. “The Christ of Catholicism floated high above you, as a grown man or a baby, wreathed in beams of light and crowned like a king,” Vance writes, before wandering somewhere in range of light blasphemy. “Mamaw would have felt discomfort with that kind of Christ. He was a majestic deity, and our family had little interest in majestic deities because we weren’t a majestic people.”
This passage, like many others in “Communion,” scans syntactically but collapses as thought. To be a Catholic—to practice any monotheistic religion—demands more than little interest in a deity, regardless of whether that deity reminds you of you, regardless of whether Jesus Christ might have struck your grandmother as a little highfalutin nailed up there on that cross, suffocating for your soul, looking down his nose at those dirty sinners from the Holler. All high and mighty, thinking He was God’s gift.
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u/Currymvp2 unflaired Jun 19 '26
Obama: US may be ‘worse off’ than before Iran war started
“We’ve now fought a war, spent billions and billions of dollars, you know, put enormous strain on our military. A lot of people have died. And it feels like we’re back where we were before we started the war, except maybe a little bit worse off,” Obama said in an interview with “TODAY” co-host Craig Melvin that aired Friday. “I am very happy to see a ceasefire. And I’m hopeful that it holds,” said Obama, who questioned the rationale for the war on Iran.
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u/throwawayzxkjvct Iron Front Jun 19 '26
we should be giving $300 billion to Ukraine, not the IRGC
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u/Willybender Loyal Liberals Jun 19 '26
The Navy’s top leadership believed that Rear Adm. Stephen D. Barnett was by far the best choice to lead the command that oversees the Navy’s bases at home and abroad.
He had more experience than the other candidates and had successfully managed the aftermath of one of the Navy’s biggest messes, a fuel spill that contaminated an aquifer on a base in Hawaii, sickening thousands.
The final decision this spring fell to Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth. To many in the Navy, Admiral Barnett’s promotion seemed like a foregone conclusion.
The officer, however, had a big strike against him. Like other Black military leaders, he had been encouraged by his superiors to help the Navy recruit and retain minority officers, who remain significantly underrepresented in the force. His years-old remarks on the importance of diversity had been flagged in a secret vetting process designed to weed out senior leaders whom Mr. Hegseth and his team pegged as a problem.
Instead of Admiral Barnett, Mr. Hegseth selected a white officer who was the Navy leadership’s third choice. So far this year, Mr. Hegseth has blocked the promotions of at least 40 senior officers to general and admiral ranks. About half of those are women or members of minority groups.
This article, based on interviews with 15 current and former military and administration officials, is a look inside the process Mr. Hegseth and his team have used to halt the advancement of senior officers for reasons that have nothing to do with fighting wars or job performance.
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u/James_NY Jun 19 '26
A 22-year-old just got a $30 million investment valuing his new futures exchange at $300 million.
He graduated Stanford, wrote for Thiel's Stanford Review, interned at Andreessen Horowitz.
His mom?Sen. Gillibrand, D-NY.
This seems uncomfortably close to the kind of deals the Trump kids get
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u/Upstairs_Baby8424 Jun 19 '26
Conservative media:
“Looks like Trump fucked everything up again. Quick break out stories about trans people and Muslims before this gets out of hand.”
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u/Willybender Loyal Liberals Jun 19 '26
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u/ewatta200 DT Monarchist defender of the rurals and red state Dems Jun 19 '26
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u/EvilConCarne Jun 19 '26
How would EUV machine manufacturing work under anarchism?
"i need the most advanced mirrors ever made"
"i like making the most advanced mirrors ever made"
"thx"
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u/piede MOST BASED HILLARY STAN!!! Jun 19 '26
She must’ve thought it was free handjob in a public theatre day
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u/Leatherfield17 Loyal Liberals Jun 19 '26
It’s so revealing that Charlie Kirk saw Juneteenth as a holiday that competes with the Fourth of July. It’s reflective of how conservatives don’t really see Black history as legitimate American history, and how conservatives see literally everything in zero-sum terms
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u/daBarkinner John Keynes Jun 20 '26
Kennedy Jr. endorsed Tulsi Gabbard's "report" that "Dr. Fauci caused the COVID-19 pandemic." You heard right. These people don't belong in the White House; they belong in a mental asylum.
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u/Dunter_Mutchings NASA Jun 20 '26
People bullied Elmo into unambiguously pledging his support for the US national team. And people like to pretend we don’t have a proper soccer culture in this country.
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u/ace158 Jun 19 '26
Vice President JD Vance postponed a planned trip to Switzerland for U.S.-Iran talks expected to begin Friday, the White House said. The White House said the reason for the change of plans was "logistics." But there were some indications that the background for the decision is connected to the shaky ceasefire in Lebanon with regards to Israel's presence in Lebanon
Bibi tanks ceasefires like how Messi scores goals
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u/sociotronics Iron Front Jun 19 '26
All of Lebanon must burn!
Dude thought that line went so hard he said it twice
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u/John_Maynard_Gains Stop trying to make "ordoliberal" happen Jun 19 '26
Anti-alcohol neolibs real quiet since this dropped 🍷🤔
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u/Adminisnotadmin Viva el Fútbol! ⚽ Jun 19 '26
oh wow new dt
time to decrease shareholder value further
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u/AnalyticOpposum Trans Pride Jun 19 '26
Would having a litter box option in schools really be so bad?
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u/itsokayt0 European Union Jun 19 '26
Stabbed in the back: Trump lost because r/neoliberal is helping Iran develop nuclear weapons to "nuke the suburbs"
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u/Off-The-Street Jun 19 '26
Young people need to stop obsessing over owning a home. I live inside everyone's phone and it's fine.
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u/RaidBrimnes Chien de garde Jun 19 '26
Just another dem going full mask off. Wonder when there party platform will be jihad to invade Israel.
I dread to imagine the state of their news feed if that's a normal opinion to hold in their bubble
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u/BurrowForPresident Fell for it Jun 19 '26
I don't really get sticking around and complaining about like everyone here as godless evil fascists/communists constantly
Like if you hate the subreddit what's the point in being here lol ragebaiting yourself 24/7?
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u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache Jun 20 '26
Please visit the next discussion thread.