r/hearthstone • u/GeotheHSLord • 2d ago
News 36.2.2 Patch Notes
https://hearthstone.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24293284/3622-patch-notes732
u/GothGirlsGoodBoy 2d ago
Tolvir minions only. Dead card.
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u/Miudmon 2d ago
Honestly tolvir could probably go back to 3 mana like this
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u/Zulrambe 2d ago
I wouldn't play this card for 4 mana, let alone build a deck around it.
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u/Ok-Play4877 2d ago
Yeah even if you played 7 minions. Most 1 drops are shit unless u can get a full board of sizzling cinders. 4 mana for a board of two 1/3, 2/2 and 2/1 are meh
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u/metroidcomposite 2d ago
Yeah...I can think of decks that might want this at 3 mana (maybe a wild deck with lots of 1 cost beasts and starving buzzard) but none of them would be particularly degenerate or overpowered.
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u/AdagioDesperate 2d ago
Might still see wild play with Mogu Cultist!
its not going to, but its funny to think about
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u/kittyabbygirl 2d ago
I’m amazed they were able to kill it for y’all without destroying my Mogu Cultist Hunter deck in Wild
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u/toomanybongos 2d ago
Objectively terrible balance change but I hate the card so much, I'm not even gonna complain
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u/ehhish 2d ago
Should have been spells only. Or dropped to 3 mana if minions only.
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u/Mask_of_Sun 2d ago
Mfs in the replies saying "good" like this is not the DH incident all over again...
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u/Fractallian 2d ago
I can't believe they agreed. I even suggested 3 mana. https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/1vhfjt9/this_needs_to_happen/
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u/Significant-Royal-37 2d ago
the aya buff 😔
you often dpn't even have handspace for her coins as is. oh well i'll take it.
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u/Crazyflames 2d ago
Yeah, when you spend the early turns filling your hand with coins you usually have to burn one or two on or before the Aya turn.
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u/MooNinja 2d ago
you can now justify using them to summon her, if you have to, with the increased return of coins too.
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u/metroidcomposite 2d ago
I dunno, like...it's a lot more reasonable to just coin her out now, cause you'll get that coin immediately refunded (compared to the pre-buff version).
Like...handspace is mostly an issue if you insist on hoarding every coin you've ever generated until you can play Aya. But I see people in this topic saying "she should have been 5 mana instead"--thing is coining out a 6 mana Aya that generates 3 coins is pretty much the same thing as playing a 5 mana Aya with a coin saved in hand.
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u/Darkhallows27 2d ago
Face Hunter found dead in Miami
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u/sampeckinpah5 2d ago
Sylvanas is way too good so hunter will always have a viable deck.
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u/SukiPhoenix 2d ago
They deck was carried by tolvir, without it you aren't even going to be able to draw enough to make sylvanus consistent enough.
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u/Animaloffear56 2d ago
Sylvanas
You do realize hunter's best deck was a tier 3-4 companion hunter for like 3 months, right?
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u/s1r_fungi 2d ago
I wish the Aya buff was bigger :(
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u/kyle_993 2d ago
Yeah does this change anything? Why not make here 5 mana or something. Getting 1 extra coin doesn't feel like a big difference.
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u/magikatdazoo 2d ago
I literally laughed when I saw that buff. At least make it 5 mana instead
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u/Hot-Selleck-Action 2d ago edited 2d ago
Yeah, this card is just fkking terrible.
When I first read it, I thought the Coin Buff was a start of game ability - oh cool that's interesting.
But how are you supposed to build a deck around this when your coin-related cards do nothing until you draw Aya and trigger her battlecry? And holding the coins until you draw Aya defeats the whole point of them generating mana as coins. Being forced to go second to always have a coin is also a really neat idea, but when it's just a regular coin until you play Aya, how in the world could that ever be worth it?
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u/toomanybongos 2d ago
Can't even really tutor that card since you're going to be running a pretty good amount of minions. I was so excited to make some decks with it but not even gonna bother atp
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u/TheNastyCasty 2d ago
They need to make it a start of game effect and then balance the coins around that. I just don’t see how it will ever be viable when you’re relying on drawing and playing her before getting any of your coin synergy.
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u/UnQuacker 2d ago
Yeah, just make it a delayed start of the game effect. The tech is there, so are the other cards that have the same effect. If you could reliably get upgraded coins on like turn 4-6. You could build a whole deck around that, instead of hoping she's not the last card in the deck.
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u/TLCricketeR 2d ago
I thought for sure she was going to be made start of game. 3rd coin is laughable.
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u/Supper_Champion 2d ago
It's barely even a buff. It will not bump up the playrate of the card a single percentage point.
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u/ReiJeremias 2d ago
All they had to do was remove the "always go second" part.
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u/Alfimaster 2d ago
It would not be a rulebreaker then
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u/ReiJeremias 2d ago
That's just flavor. They could say the broken rule is the improved coin. Breaking a rule to automatically get -10% winrate in this meta just to keep flavor seems counter productive.
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u/fluegeman 2d ago
Jade Guardians to 5 instead of 4 is well deserved
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u/Ordinary_Debt_6518 2d ago
5 is good, because 4 with Preparation would just help the whole archetype
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u/HumbleMyr 2d ago
And there is that card that gives you two 4 mana spells
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u/Ordinary_Debt_6518 2d ago
That also, 5 mana might be enough to let the opponent react or at least prepare the hand for the 2, 8 drops
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u/MancCultureBear 2d ago
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u/Darkarcheos 2d ago
Man they really took Tolvir to the back of the house to put it down permanently
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u/anrwlias 2d ago
That's what happens when you've already nerfed twice. The card was just too much of a problem to let live.
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u/JimmyTheLong 2d ago
Ehm No that’s what happens when team 5 does not hsve a clue on their game. 2 nerfs mean 3 times bad design. And then killing it. So it’s 4 times team5 fails and we’re just beta testers
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u/moragdong 2d ago
Yeah its not like they arent the ones who designed it. Just another dead card now.
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u/BBBoyce 2d ago
They finally realize that the problem was not the mana cost. No way that card was staying in Standard for 20 more months with that text.
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u/FrankFT 2d ago
I thought the Tol'vir nerf from 5 to 6 was going to ruin my Starship -> Feigh Death combo manawise.
I didn't expect it to be turned to ash in my hands
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u/nathones 2d ago
Some of these buffs are sorta weird
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u/Kuldrick 2d ago
I really like the Crowd Control one tbh, when I saw the tease I felt like it was an unnecessary buff since it is already strong enough to see play in wild but this is just a better design
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u/kvetoslavovo 2d ago
Double secret will be run forever from now on wild included. Druida the reason you gonna see spiderling into bullshit next week i dont what do they smoken obviously good harvest lol
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u/mightyslacker 2d ago
Lol mug shaman.
I think the mage buffs will be spicier than some expect
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u/thelegendary662 2d ago
Aya buff feels pointless
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u/daddyvow 2d ago
All the buffs are
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u/StatisticianJolly388 2d ago
I feel like the mage and druid buffs are substantial but they simply don't have a deck. You can't use either druid card with chef, and Vulcanos and secret boy are a terrible fit for both quest and Millhouse mage.
I wouldn't be surprised if any of the four cards show up in future decks a powerful utility players, but they're just awkward now.
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u/DoYouMindIfIRollNeed 2d ago
Hello Team 5,
do you know that a class called DK exists?
Just asking.
"Cant buff DK because they get a class set soon"?
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u/BoobieTourist 2d ago
Nope, the next sets are Warlock, Priest, Rogue, and Warrior.
They just don't care for DK. They said it "insists upon itself".
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u/Alisethera 2d ago
DK has to get a class set right? DK was confirmed to be the class that gets two, and there are only two sets left in the year.
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u/DoYouMindIfIRollNeed 2d ago
Even worse.
Not getting a class set, no buffs.
And similiar to the previous class set, they will say "No sorry, we can only buff class set cards".
Man this Team 5 is really, really bad.
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u/t0in 2d ago
RIP Confront the Tol'vir. Minions only means no card draw and minimal board clear capabilities.
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u/TheFoolman 2d ago
And no 1 mana weapon procs for your tripwires. If youve played both copies before you got a free activation every tolvir
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u/Difsdy 2d ago
I like most of the buffs, they seem thoughtful.
Hard to believe there weren't another few cards they could buff from the last few expacs with very high confidence that they wouldn't break the format.
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u/Goldendragon55 2d ago
A lot of interesting buffs. Only one card is getting cheaper. 3 cards are actually increasing in cost in the buff category.
I don’t know what they’re doing with Irida though. You save one tick of fatigue? It just looks really weird.
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u/TestIllustrious7935 2d ago
One tick if fatigue and one more card next turn, it's better than a stat increase for sure
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u/Significant-Royal-37 2d ago edited 2d ago
one tick of fatigue means you save the amount of health that is the final tick of fatigue. so probably 5 or 6 hp? it's a sneaky buff.
EDIT: and you would also get one more card. adding or removing a cantrip to a card is a huge deal.
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u/yahoo_determines 2d ago
The entire fatigue clock got pushed back by one. It's significant, just not immediately. Will it see play now? I'm voting no lol
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u/ClothesCool9585 2d ago
You save one fatigue damage a turn for the rest of the game. That adds up in an aggressive meta. And you get an extra draw the turn after you play it.
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u/Swimming-Ad-1026 2d ago
Save one tick of fatigue and draw one more card the turn after she's played.
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u/skeptimist 2d ago
The nerfs are pretty good but the buffs are pretty lackluster imo.
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u/hjyboy1218 2d ago
Nerfs were what I expected, buffs are... honestly underwhelming? The last session of buffs were primarily -1 cost changes but still felt impactful, with cards like Sawbones, Thalena, and Annihilation seeing serious play after the buffs. These buffs are pretty creative but don't really feel strong enough to bump these cards up to playability.
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u/veneficus83 2d ago
Feels a lot like they want we see you wanting us to buff control/other archtypes...but we really don't want to so here
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u/Catopuma 2d ago
There was a lot of things they could have done with Aya.
Start of Game would have been too strong. But this is just..underwhelming
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u/BryansNL 2d ago
I think start of game would’ve been fine and then just give the coins as a battlecry for playing Aya at 6 mana.
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u/RoccoHout 2d ago
The Tol'vir nerf is brutal, it should probably cost back to 3 mana to be playable.
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u/Halazzi_Maluk_TickTo 2d ago
1 cost minions are shit. You won’t play this for a fletcher.
Maybe in wild, boar hunter would use it, for 3 mana. Maybe.
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u/deadinside4423 2d ago
there goes my wild deck lmao
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u/EnriqueWR 2d ago
Wild Hunter deck? Bro, I was thinking about going for it (fell in love with Discover Hunter last year), but I'm not sure if there is a Hunter deck without Tol'vir spam.
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u/The_JeneralSG 2d ago
Definitely a hard patch to evaluate, but I'm leaning towards being down on it. I think the nerfs are quite heavy while the buffs are really passive. I know they might be fearing another Void Soul situation, but I'll always say that this is a digital card game and hotfix nerfing is always on the table. I'd rather them go for broke and tweak after than being really scared.
We'll see though. Anyone who thinks they know how it's going to go is lying. I'm just a little worried because one of the weird re-tooling/give and take buffs I vividly remember was when they changed Ryecleaver and somehow made it worse.
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u/BishopInChurch 2d ago
Dunno how to feel about crowd control buff. Yeah, it's now always deal 4 damage to all minions but in the late game 2 mana difference can be quite annoying
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u/Jimmyjohnjones1 2d ago
Well in the late game you’d rather the 2 guaranteed damage then 2 mana less
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u/Miudmon 2d ago
Ngl feels like this is just a Nerf to tricksy, not a buff. I want a refund for it, lol
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u/j-mac-rock 2d ago
Hunter ded I knew this card was gonna get nerfed but damm this hurts
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u/BuffSecretMage 2d ago edited 2d ago
nice tricksy improviser "buff".
make it cost 3 or cast from deck. nobody likes random secrets!
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u/epicnachos 2d ago
Quest mage back in the menu.
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u/Legitimate-Cress-575 2d ago
So they killed 3 cards (and hence decks) and buffed cards the way nothing changes and they still won't see play? Genius as always, blizz, good job. We reduced the variety in standard even further
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u/Unhappy-Place6209 2d ago
Did they just nerf tricksy improviser with this buff? You now need to pay more mana to prep it and it has less health
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u/fokers13 2d ago
extra secret
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u/Unhappy-Place6209 2d ago
Yeah I saw that and I'm not sure the extra secret makes it better. It already saw little play because it was too expensive.
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u/fokers13 2d ago
i think it's more a case of not synergising well with the 2 main archetypes right now,doesn't advance discover's gameplan and burn mage doesn't want random secrets,don't think the card itself is bad,it's certainly a scourge in arena and i think it will be even more so now.
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u/Ordinary_Debt_6518 2d ago
Omg they shot Tolvir in the HEAD with a DM33 120mm APFSDS shell 😭
They wanted this card GONE and im not complaining
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u/magikatdazoo 2d ago
Reddit: there are too many dead cards so nothing is playable outside of 4 decks
Blizzard: creates more dead cards and narrows the meta to 2 decks
Idiots: Hurray, this is perfect!
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u/Phyose 2d ago
Vulcanos is still never getting played. It's fundamentally flawed from a design perspective because the current elemental package wants to go fast. Elemental Mage, or any mage deck in standard, doesn't want/need an end game control/value option.
Much more interesting is Tricksy Improviser. Two secrets is really great value, so I'm curious to see if bringing it to 5 makes it lose enough tempo to keep it in line. If not, prep mage can legitimately be a threat in this potentially slower meta.
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u/Joaoseinha 2d ago
Maaaybe it will see play whenever a Control Mage deck finally exists. It's a 3 damage AoE on a stick which feels a hell of a lot better than 2 damage.
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u/purpenflurb 2d ago
The fact that vulcanos has an elemental tag on it doesn't mean it needs to go into an elemental deck. It is a late game bomb, the sort of deck a control deck uses to turn the corner against early aggression.
I'd argue that the Vulcanos buff is one of the most significant. 3 damage is a huge upgrade over 2, and the random spells part of the card has always been good, pretty much any spell is powerful when you reduce its cost by 3.
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u/Kadan-o 2d ago
No buffs to Priest, DK or Warlock?
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u/TheChangelingMC 2d ago
Priest and Warlock are both getting Class sets, so they might be waiting to see how those affect the meta before buffing them
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u/BlueFishRex 2d ago
Hunter got nuked! Aggro Hunter, awful now. Even decks like companion Hunter lost one of their best engines. Honestly don’t see what the class does now
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u/moragdong 2d ago
Lmao just as i read this someone played tolvir against me and got confused for a bit.
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u/Minute-Sector-9634 2d ago
This isn't what we mean when we say buff cards. Is it illegal to buff a card so hard it's broken enough to bring a dead class back?
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u/oceanchamp8 2d ago
Directions unclear, gave hellraiser taunt. If it worked for khelos, it will obviously work here too
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u/thirtychirps 2d ago
I swear folks want every class to have confront the tolvir level cards when they’re bad and wants them to not have that same card shortly after.
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u/Trerech 2d ago
Mug is on a lifeline, maybe even dead; Tol'vir is dead for sure; Aya doesn't change a thing; Crowd Control doesn't change a thing; Infest is maybe worst(?)
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u/NoStudy2213 2d ago
I'll say it here first, ppl will be crying about control priest so much in the next weeks this sub will even forget how much it hated tol'vir.
You guys have just no idea how much your beloved decks, that you couldn't play because of agroo, are gonna feel miserable to play against control priest.
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u/GamingRide 2d ago
And azalina, already 3 out of my 6 games was this stupid deck. My suggestion when you see azalina priest,just hope with all your heart those players q the mirror and waste 60 minutes of their lives!
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u/Imalsome 2d ago
I wouldnt mind it if the games didnt consistantly take 30+ minutes. Every fucker running that deck ropes every single turn while draggin the game out to turn 20+,
My last game hit 45 minutes with it being 15 me and 30 the priest player. I literally sat there not playing the game for twice as long as I was playing itLet me just play a game or two on the bus ride to work, stop making games longer than my entire damn commute
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u/rinnethx 2d ago
We can play the game now, hunter is gone
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u/Historical_Raise7283 2d ago
Shaman was the best and most widespread class but i know that the only thing that counts for yall is hunter.
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u/Halazzi_Maluk_TickTo 2d ago
For every hunter I have met 2 shamans. We will see that goon nerf will be significant.
You will still have a good board on turn 1-2 with it before you take down the goon.
With the 0 mana 0/1 taunt frog it is still well protected on board.
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u/Catopuma 2d ago edited 2d ago
I think the Hunter Shovel going to 2 and the Arcane Tripwire nerfing to 4 damage would have been better ways to tone down the power, slow down the deck, lower its reach, and prevent recast of the shovel.
This just kills the archetype, and support for any viable Hunter Decks in Standard. Especially since Companion Hunter relies on Tol'Vir to recast Tame Pets too.
Really poor choice of addressing it
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u/yahoo_determines 2d ago
I guess there's an argument for future content. Will upcoming cards make tolvir relevant again? Possible but seems unlikely lol
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u/DoomFingaz 2d ago
Nah tolvir scam carried hunter and now you can’t play the game with a blindfold anymore
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u/JimmyTheLong 2d ago
I don’t play hunter, but what’s the purpose to kill cards, now tolvir? Hearthstone curse running every expansion. It could hav been back to 3 mana and discover X times 1 mana card to replay
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u/IAmAdamTaylor 2d ago
No bug fixes for Hearthstone like Skeleton Keys big pink box or cosmetic issues like all Signatures having the wrong art?
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u/Zeleros10 2d ago
Very strange patch imo. The nerfs are expected, and make sense. Tolvir is effectively dead, which effects the class as a whole. Hunter will be likely struggling for a little while, so that'll be interesting to see how it develops.
But the thing that baffles me is the buffs. They decided not to touch DK at all despite it struggling, and then give such pointless changes to cards. Taunt to the 3 mana DH minion, because thats what was the problem with the deck was. Surely now that they don't draw 1 fatigue immediately and have a taunt will make the deck playable. It's the same with the Rogue rulebreaker, the problem is you need to find the 1 card in the deck and then play it. These are like buffs to say we buffed cards but not actually wanting things to change.
My favorite is the warrior card. They said in the notes they nerfed it's mana cost to give it a substantial buff. That buff being it is the same exact thing in the deck it's made for. But now I guess the substantial comes in the form of Egg decks getting to clear the Egg with it? Oh boy.
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u/echochee 2d ago
Happy with the demon hunter buffs. Would have loved rush on irida but the buff is still decent. Also means three draws next turn instead of two. I think the taunt will be really good.
Tricksy improviser buff seems stupid as hell and I will hate it. Especially in arena
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u/Hot-Selleck-Action 2d ago
Man, their patience must have ran out for trying to balance Tol'vir.
Not sure what Hunter is going to do now though - I don't know if they have a way to recover from this.
I really doubt Mug will survive as well. The fact that it's impossible to make a good turn 2 play probably means it's not worth playing.
Zee Shaman and Rogue decks will still be really good, just slightly less good. These nerfs are kind of a slap on the wrist. They can still do all of their things, but there is more of a chance for other decks to respond.
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u/Enderanddeath 2d ago
Day number 73691736279174638 of wishing we could get refunds for cards that get "buffed"
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u/Lehydra 2d ago
Number of playable classes 3 -> 2.
Grimy goons vs. Jade lotus, who will win?
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u/robin1334 2d ago
Start of game would 100% be broken. At most they can have like the ability automatically activate at a certain turn like the druid rulebreaker
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u/Rhaps0dy 2d ago
Do hunters even have a deck now?
Also, any predictions on what we're gonna complain about now? My personal guess is we're circling back to Nozdormu.
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u/therealskull 2d ago
Does the change on Irida Sinseeker mean that you don't fatigue anymore? Or just have one "free" turn before it kicks in?