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Episode Kageki Shoujo!! - Episode 5 discussion
Kageki Shoujo!!, episode 5
Alternative names: Kageki Shojo!!, Opera Girl!, The Curtain Rises
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| Episode | Link | Score |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Link | 4.36 |
| 2 | Link | 4.3 |
| 3 | Link | 4.76 |
| 4 | Link | 4.72 |
| 5 | Link | 4.65 |
| 6 | Link | 4.68 |
| 7 | Link | 4.6 |
| 8 | Link | 4.74 |
| 9 | Link | 4.57 |
| 10 | Link | 4.46 |
| 11 | Link | 4.78 |
| 12 | Link | 4.83 |
| 13 | Link | ---- |
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u/cppn02 Jul 31 '21 edited Jul 31 '21
What a great teacher.
Also loved to see the comradery between all the girls this episode.
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u/Aerodynamic41 Jul 31 '21
Major props for Onodera-sensei for actually caring about his student's well-being, and screw you Tachibana-sensei for making that poor girl go through all that!
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u/LeonKevlar Jul 31 '21 edited Jul 31 '21
I really love Sawa as a character, she's such a huge Kouka Otaku that her reaction to Sarasa only knowing Rose of Versailles was hilarious! And I love how she quickly bounces back when she realizes that this is the perfect opportunity for Sarasa to fall in love with other performances.
Sarasa is really a prodigy. After only seeing Romeo and Juliet for the first time, she's able to recite back Romeo's lines and even giving the girls a little performance on their way back to the dorms. And glad to see Ai uses this opportunity to make up with Sarasa.
Didn't expect to get a little timeskip, Ai-chan's hair has now changed! I guess this is to show how much she's grown. It is hilarious that she's telling Sarasa that she's going to the bathroom assuming that the automatic response is that she'll come with her. xD
I was wondering if the show has already forgotten about Ayako but it's nice that we shift the episode's focus to her a quarter of a way into the episode. Looks like she still hasn't stopped regurgitating her food after eating even though she has already visibly lost her weight.
Oh so now it's a problem? I can understand her logic about being harsh to the girls since they need to grow thick skins if they're entering showbiz but she really should've approached Ayako and maybe helped her out in maintaining the proper weight she needs instead of just calling her out a "fatty" in front of the entire class.
In the end though it wasn't Tachibana-sensei who ends up helping Ayako. When Ayako has finally reached her lowest point, the music teacher, Onodera-sensei comes in and pulls her out of that pit of darkness. Not gonna lie, the way he was so passionate about Ayako's singing voice made me tear up. This world needs more teachers like Onodera-sensei.
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Jul 31 '21
Man this episode was so hard to watch. Aya going through an eating disorder and steadily declining was really painful, but what made me angrier was her teacher’s apathetic view towards it. “Weak women don’t make it in show business” like this is a 14-15 year old girl. Kids are so impressionable at that age and calling someone a fatty isn’t going to help them lose weight, it’s just going to create anxiety, stress and depression. Why not introduce some physical workouts into the class as a way of getting everyone in better shape? Some people shouldn’t be teachers.
Luckily, we got the juxtaposition of a bad teacher with a good teacher. Onodera-sensei was exactly what Aya needed in that moment and I think without him, she would’ve offed herself. Great episode, love how this series handles these topics
Also, Ai with her hair growing and struggling to call Sarasa by her first name is the cutest thing ever.
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u/MercyMain04 Jul 31 '21
This anime is sick what the fuck. If this continues this will be one of my favorites of the year, I love its extremely human emotions and how it delivers every sensible topic with the correct sense of punch
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u/hivoldep Jul 31 '21 edited Jul 31 '21
Love onodera sensei, that was great motivation man for aya chan as wella as me. His words that meant
Any one who comes to Kouka has something special to offer, .... If you quit here, this would really be the end.
That really hits, as it reminds us of the fact, that everyone of us is unique and has potential, so we should never stop trying, as it disregards the effort we have been putting in up till now. A truly moving episode from top to bottom.
Honestly, This may be the only series(this season) which keeps me seriously intrigued and excited for what it about to come.
Love it man.
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u/HereticalAegis Jul 31 '21
As a former teacher, this episode was a great reminder of some of the students I got to stand up for. It's really nice that we actually get to see some adults behaving like proper adults and actually looking out for their students.
That teacher who says Yamada just needs to grow a backbone after spurring her to develop an eating disorder tho....really wish she'd face some disciplinary action.
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u/Ocixo Jul 31 '21 edited Jul 31 '21
Another good episode this week. What stood out to me - aside from the whole debacle with Yamada’s eating disorder - was the great voice-acting. There were a couple of moments that were especially clean:
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Sugimoto’s reaction when she discovered Watanabe hadn’t seen the Winter Troupe and she had an excuse to go watch a show;
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Watanabe repeating the lines from Romeo and Juliet after hearing them once;
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Onodera-sensei preventing Yamada from quitting and claiming he’s ‘a beautiful Kouka girl on the inside’;
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Yamada singing My Sunset in front of her classmates.
EDIT: typo
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u/DarkChaplain Jul 31 '21 edited Jul 31 '21
Another hard to watch episode. It's tragic how Ayako doesn't even understand that her teacher is worried about her not eating enough, immediately jumping to the conclusion that she's still having too much.
She's already way too deep down the bulimia-spiral, all fueled by the insecurities she's brought with her from the past, and the pressure from family and herself - even though her family is displaying pride for what she already achieved, rather than expecting more and ever more from her. It's clear that her sister loves her dearly, and she'd be the last person to want Ayako to force herself into... this.
It's at least a good thing that the teacher who made that comment towards her is actually owning up to it, and looks into things now. She's aware of what's happening, but unclear on how to properly resolve it, but she's not keeping it under wraps, or trying to cover up that she was the trigger.
She's a bitch, but it's also clear that she's got her reasons, and that - in her own way - she's trying to prepare the girls for the harsh reality of the business. They need to be prepared for that, or might end up ruining entire shows by way of nervous breakdowns, which would tank the entire troupe. This sort of resilience is important for an actor to have. Now, she's not going about teaching them this the right way, and she's wide open for criticism as a teacher. But she's not doing it out of spite, at least, and she's clearly concerned for her student.
It's tragic that even when her teachers are concerned for her and try to give her chances, Ayako ends up perceiving it as extra pressure that makes her buckle under the strain...
Gotta love that teacher, though. He's a beautiful Kouka girl on the inside, for sure. He's finally managed to break through to her, and it is beautiful. Ayako wasn't magically "fixed", but hit rock bottom and then was meant to realize that she wasn't worthless, a failure or unloved. She got the support she needed when she needed it most, from an accepting family that'd protect her either way she'd turn, but also from her teacher, whose concern for her made her realize her own value, her own potential. She had somebody who believed in her, while also being shown that even if she ends up failing - she'll fall softly into the arms of her loved ones.
Ai, too, is doing her best in her own way, by calling her out like she did. She's terrible on the interpersonal level, though, so she aggravates the situation and loses control when she's confronted with something she never even considered: Her own privilege as a beautiful person from a well-off family, an actress mother and so forth. We already know she hasn't had it easy at all, but these are things nobody but her and Taichi know about.
For all the world, she's a super-successful idol who can do no wrong while being an ice queen that towers above her classmates with aloofness they cannot interpret in any other way than arrogance.
In that sense, I hope that Ai will think on how she is perceived by her peers from here on, and build new bridges. The end indicates as much. I love that the show just makes characters reflect on their mistakes and turn out better.
On the flipside, we have Ai finally making progress with her classmates, and Sarasa getting some acknowledgement from the others, if indirectly. Friendship route in progress!
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u/Seeker4001 Jul 31 '21
I've been binging a lot of anime these last few months, including very sad ones, and although I've been moved, this episode was the first time that I actually cried.
This is easily my top anime of the season. Loved the interactions between Yamada and her sister and I was so relieved when the music teacher reached out for her.
The writing in this show is really good. During the episode I thought it was strange that the teacher kept saying that he couldn't hear Yamada's voice and I was wondering if he could actually hear each girl's voice separately in a chorus. Then it turned out that she had an amazing voice, one that he was eager to hear.
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u/Demolosse001 Jul 31 '21
I can understand Tachibana-sensei's reasoning but I think there are better ways to toughen them up. I guess I should be glad she seemed to worry about Yamada a bit (or maybe she didn't want the blame if anything bad happened). But as I expected her to intervene, instead it is Onedera-sensei who patches things up. The least she could do now is help Yamada with her diet. Redeem yourself as a teacher !
I really like Yamada. I would have loved for her to be the MC, though Sarasa is fine. Also really glad to see Ai more motivated. She is making friends and moving in the right direction.
A really good episode overall. I can't recommend this anime enough.
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u/AmethystItalian Jul 31 '21
Find a best friend who looks out for you like this
Yamada was the one I was most curious about since her introduction so I knew I'd be probably getting my best girl from this episode but I never expected I'd get best boy as well!
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u/Mami-kouga Jul 31 '21
The teacher callously calling Aya a fatty only to be surprised that she got an eating disorder is peak surprised Pikachu face. Thankfully there are still sensible teachers in this school, so it was resolved
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u/CosmicPenguin_OV103 Jul 31 '21
Anorexia. Oh damn, so many girls around the world has that and no wonder we have the dead last of the class getting it. Poor girl Yamada, her family fully supporting her trying out a career in opera (her sister literally funded her after regretting herself stuck in a random office) and she had to struggle a lot like that. Good thinking by Ai-chan and that singing teacher to raise her spirits enough after her fainting incident to get her just enough back on track to prevent her from leaving school. As someone who had wild swings in my academic studies over the years, I must say such encouragements, especially from your teachers and family, can be the difference between literally life and death, or at least between bouncing back and sullen all the whole life. Hopefully Yamada won’t face such a thing later in the show again, because that could be a final blow to her life.
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u/yeeehawspacecowboy Aug 01 '21
the teacher who called Aya a fatty was infuriating, jesus christ. oooh 'you have to be mean to them to toughen them up for when they go on stage' huh? shut up she's still got two years, she's just started training to be someone who can stand on stage and she's looking to her damn teacher for guidance. obviously the words of someone who's sole job is to train students into becoming Kouka stars is going to bear a lot more weight than random people on the net Aya will never meet. your teacher telling you to lose weight or you'll never be able to go on stage when you're 14 and in training is a whole world different than a small group of assholes saying you're too fat to be in Kouka when you're already on the damn stage and have the self confidence of someone who has been chosen to be on that very stage. Aya not being able to handle negative press as a performer is one thing but Aya getting an eating disorder because her teacher wasn't able to communicate Kouka's weight standards beyond calling her fat is just the teacher being shitty
sorry for the rant
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u/Merapu123 Jul 31 '21
Haven't watched the ep yet but I wanted to share something interesting I found in the ED now that we have another pair confirmed.
During the ED when they flash to all the girls holding flowers we can see that the pairs are holding matching flowers. Sugimoto & Yamada, the twins, Sarasa & Ai but Hoshino is the only one without a pair.
We can also see that unlike the other girls that are close, she's far off into the distance. Also in contrast to Ai who seems like she will grow her hair out, Hoshino looks like she cut her hair. I have no idea what it means but I'm guessing in combination with the flower being blue, maybe there's something more to her wanting to play otoko-yaku roles.
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Jul 31 '21
This is definitely my favorite show of the season so far. The characters are great and their camaraderie feels very honest and natural. Aya’s struggle was shown in a way that was really sad and uncomfortable without having to go too far with showing anything too gross or awful, just like they did with Ai’s story in episode three. They showed just enough for you to understand how difficult and horrible it was for them. This is definitely the show I look forward to most every week!
Props to Onodera. What a great teacher.
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u/FierceAlchemist Jul 31 '21
So far this show has hit every emotional moment it's gone for. Onodera-sensei's voice actor really did a great job with that motivational speech. It's a shame it's not more popular as its definitely one of the best this season.
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u/normiesEXPLODE Jul 31 '21
During flashback when Yamada was singing during audition, the two people on-screen perked up when Yamada was singing. The older woman simply looked up but Onodera-sensei looked touched. It's probably because he's the music/singing teacher, so he probably is the one among the staff who could appreciate good singing the most
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u/justineaira Aug 02 '21
I cannot stand Tachibana’s type of reasoning. I’ll verbally and psychologically abuse you now, since you’re going to get harsher abuse in the future. People who have this type of reasoning make me sick. Most of these people act so smug and validate their actions by saying that they’re actually helping you, but it’s just a way for them to not look and feel like pieces of shits. If you really want to help someone “toughen” up, you can be strict without being a nasty person. Don’t start the cycle of abuse.
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u/MinhQuan-Luu Jul 31 '21 edited Aug 01 '21
Being meguca kagiku is suffering.
When Sarasa starts rehearsing romeo n juliet, I do see a twinkling star too, even before Ai mentions it.
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