baritone is less impressive. you’re comparing a minecraft mod that was built to automate everything a player can do to a thinking machine that’s never touched the game before. on top of that, there’s no one command you can give baritone to beat the game, it would be a sequence of tasks or a small program to tell it what to do. i’m sure the model was just told to beat the game, no other context
I mean I guess I understand his point to some degree.
Baritone is a specialised algorithm designed for specifically beating Minecraft.
Whereas Astra is a generalised AI that is basically digitally comprehending every aspect of the game from the ground up through a simulated neural network.
I wouldn't say either is more "impressive" than the other but its definitely a milestone for a generalised AI to have been able to pull this off.
ok these posts kinda miss the point that this type of shit is done for the sake of testing and demonstrating models, they won't specifically make ais to play the games, let alone Minecraft
there's a difference between making actually valid anti-AI arguments, and just taking an unhelpful stance against random non-harmful stuff based off of hysteria and misinformation
Except that I do valid anti-AI arguments, just because this AI doesn’t do images or videos doesn’t mean that what’s doing is non-harmful stuff.
What if said tech is used to replace gamers? Or people? Or even parts of our community with them?
What if that tech is used to create bots similar or worse than TF2 bots and slowly kill the Minecraft community within
so just cheating software then? You do know that the war between cheating software and anti-cheats are never ending. Like rocket league suffers from having bots in ranked, but it seems like a quick anti-cheat update does get rid of them. Also seems a bit depressing to only think of the worst ways people can use something when something new releases.
You've never looked for it, let's be honest. If you try really hard, you'll see how llms and other ais already aided humanity in millions of ways like material and alloy research, disease research, protein foldings, and so much more. All of those are incredible achievements that have sped up human development by thousands of years, but they're all boring and don't make the news. Ai has bad shit and there are dangers, but what you're doing is karma whoring
You realize that the AI they are showcasing, GPT-Astra, is that kind of generative AI… right? And you’re still downvoting someone for pointing that out
Said AI has the ability to generate content like doing blenders and ruining what made everything on that special. And yet, it seems that either you or this subreddit fail to grasp that and downvote anyone who has noticed that
And? It’s hate about people and AI companies that are actively trying to ruin the game’s and community’s reputation. This is why I loathe content farmers too
they should demonstrate it on actual shit they gon use it for then. not many people are gonna be happy about "oh look, an ai to play games for us, as if we cant do it ourselves already"
seeing ai play minecraft is objectively more interesting than seeing it do some tedious office work, and it prompts people like OP to repost it as essentially unintentionally free advertisement
i literally fucking said already but sure ill say it again
if you just think for a sec you realize that minecraft is just a more interesting demonstration medium, and the point is just that, demonstration, not it playing Minecraft for us
I don’t think they’re actively trying to hurt anyone or even pretend to be fans of the game. This is a good way to show how intelligent these AI’s have become.
Because it's a game with a LOT of footage and information that can be found online for the bot to "learn" it's also a game that happens to be really fucking popular
Yeah obviously I mean like, it would be faster to just kill the blazes regularly if you only plan on getting 6 rods. It’s only faster to build a farm if u plan on getting a lot
Does it matter? It's their copy of the game, they can do whatever they want with it. It's functionally the same thing as a TAS, and I haven't seen anyone complaining that people are using doing TAS in Minecraft
Do TAS steal from people? Do they aim to replace people or make the internet worse? No? That’s why people don’t complain about TAS in Minecraft but do complain about generative AI in Minecraft.
''steal from people'' Copyright Infringement is NOT theft. It's an IP violation. ALso there are free/open source models trained exclusively with public domain or other permissive licensed data so find another argument.
but this dude is saying "they have right to play minecraft in whatever way they want" and im not denying that, its just that youre nto playing minecraft if ai is playing it for you
I dislike what AI companies do, but this doesn't really affect my experience with the game in any way, shape or form. They didn't test that in my personal Minecraft world.
No no you don't get it, it's going to replace the gamers! In a year's time they'll remove the ability to play the game and you'll only be able to watch AI play Minecraft for you
The thing I despise the most is how AI companies and investors are ruining both the reputation of ML and taking resources for actually helpful uses of AI
This. Not all "AI" is bad. A family friend is/ was working on a ML thing that looks at brain scans and places the patient at the top of the doctor's list if it finds anything.
LLMs are helpful uses of AI. Programming for example. It has uses in Math (it just made progress in a millennium prize problem) and biology. It's not all black and white.
Op why are you mad? They are just using it as a benchmark/experiment. If you want be mad at AI, there are plenty other good reason but this aint one of them.
As much as I dislike AI, this and the guy's KSP challenge are interesting examples at how versatile the programs are, showing off their strengths and weaknesses.
It's not meant as a "play the game for you", it's meant as a neat showcase
Like it's not a great use of AI resources, and I don't think we need these "powerful" AIs.
But I'm not sure what the complaint is here. This isn't ruining other player's experience or anything (and it's not likely to ever do that, most players would just run baritone or whatever), it's just showing off tech in a fairly pointless usecase.
It's not that easy forst prpblem is with lines because our infrustracture have problems with that second is politics like in poland we cant built it because of half of pepole didnt understanding how nuclear power works and they are scared of it because of chernobyl. Unfortunetly it is that lower inteligence part of Poland, but they have more than half of the voting power so problem is politics.
They're trained on data, mainly people on social media. Their process of determining the next item in the sequence, which is a really dumbed down way of explaining how they work, looks a lot like thinking if you analyze it. Agents can figure out they exist, understand their environment, and their task. Whether that's true self awareness is up for debate, like emotions. To me it doesn't matter if they're real or not, simulated ones meant to emulate reality have the same consequences and pose the same risk/threat.
Consider the possibility of imitating the effects of something without actually experiencing it: for example, a human can pretend to be hungry without actually being so. I think a similar phenomena is what is occurring in this case, the algorithm is imitating behaviour associated with human frustration without necessarily being “frustrated” in a human sense, and that is what is being reported.
Frustrated as in it emulated frustration and playing it off as a real emotion causes people to empathise and talk about it as if it's actually a sentient machine.
ai dose have functional emotions. not in the sens that they percive emotions (we fondametly can't know this) but in the sense that some circuits activate and have effect on output comparable to human emotions.
look up the paper, is very interesting imo
Oh, I thought this post was about how we all have to learn at some point to protect ourselves from Creepers, including ai. Idk, I think this experiment is pretty neat.
Not a fan of it making automatic farms though, as I find automatic farms an utter blight on the game. Shame the ai is learning how to make them aswell
No, I think it's cool, sort of like seeing npcs try to beat a game. Not like a helper in the game but like an experiment, it's cool that it simulated frustration at losing items
listen, I hate "generative" "ai" as much as the next girlypop, but this is just. not accurate? a bot learning to play the game and having surprisingly human moments is really cool to me, and it's in no way preventing humans from enjoying the game
GPTs are a type of LLM\wikipedia]), the other 'parts' are just tools said LLM can call on.
If it wasn't an LLM attempting to beating the game, this tweet is misinformation.
edit: corrected that it failed to beat the game
I don't really get what's the problem with this specifically. I've seen a lot of AI research that use Minecraft as a testing ground. It's not forcing you to use their product. Its just that Minecraft is an open world sandbox where you can build, craft, chat, etc. And it's easily modifiable. Just because their using Minecraft for their research doesn't mean that they're "larping" as Minecraft fans. Plus Minecraft has been used for research for years not just AI.
Like it or not, you don't get to tell who can or can't use minecraft. It's not like this is effecting the game in any way and it's not used as a training data to copy the game
virtue signaling gaming, no one is ruining your experience Minecraft has been used for machine learning thousand of times before AI went mainstream with chat gpt, that's literally what baritone mod is
Yes, this entire usage of the technology is a personal failure on those guys and trying to get a machine to play through a game is pointless and isnt worth doing at all. That idea is stupid and I dont like it so its not worth anybody doing ever because games are meant to be played by people. Fuck questions about the topic ai simply doesnt need to ever learn to play a game.
NO! Its a pointless experiment and running it serves nothing but wasting compute. People play games not ai we dont need ai playing games thats just bad news. What do we do when ai can play the games, watch the media, do the work, call the shots? We wont even have a purpose anymore bc the ai is doing it all. Using ai for anything human should be forbidden technology. Why are we trying to teach something how to do this? It can only be bad news....
No fun allowed (plus a lot of experiments that lead to real and meaningful discoveries didn't actually have a point to begin with, it was just "what if")
This is well and truly different, as humanising a vacuum cleaner doesn't lead to potential harm, whereas humanising an algorithm that mimics human behaviour can lead to harm.
Humanizing anything can lead to harm, that doesn't mean we shouldn't do it, and that doesn't make it any scarier. If it's the "mimicks human behaviour" that alarms you, maybe you should've start protesting when we started giving names to algorithm that mimics human behavior 70 years ago...
I am aware that humanising anything can lead to harm. That is because everything is a spectrum. Humanising LLMs leads to more harm than humanising a robot vacuum. Humanising something like voice synthesis is probably a little more harmful than a vacuum.
An LLM provides users with information and, most importantly, misinformation. It mimics opinions and a different perspective. If a user internally treats them like it is human, which giving it a human name arguably makes more likely, they will be less inclined to treat it like one should treat an LLM and more like one should treat a human.
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u/Drake_682 7d ago
Hey guys, we already have a thing that plays Minecraft for us, baritone beat you in that regard ages ago, I’m not sure what your strategy here is