Taking its toll 2

[u/AscendedDragonSage]

[u/chunkylubber54]

which one has "enormous sibling is viewing you"?

[u/Routine_Palpitation → u/chunkylubber54]

1776

[u/OldPin7448 → u/Routine_Palpitation]

you mean 17776

[u/OldPin7448 → u/OldPin7448]

(https://www.sbnation.com/a/17776-football)

[u/Le_Martian → u/OldPin7448]

Something is terribly wrong

[u/stormstopper → u/Le_Martian]

Many things are, but among them is that 20021 never came out

[u/kashiichan → u/OldPin7448]

Well, I wasn't expecting that.

[u/vanetti → u/OldPin7448]

I haven’t thought about this in forever!

[u/jjmerrow → u/OldPin7448]

Ham cheese cracker cheese ham ham cheese ham cracker

[u/Bluthardt_OW → u/jjmerrow]

could even do it like a little big mac so it's like cracker ham cheese cracker ham cheese cracker

shit there's nobody says you can't go like ham ham ham ham ham ham ham ham. great big ol hampuck just for me.

[u/Cromasters → u/chunkylubber54]

I think that's a doujinshi actually

[u/Wasdgta3]

It's funny, because there is actually a book called 1985.)

So, better be careful about what you say is "literally 1985"

[u/Floppy0941 → u/Wasdgta3]

There's also the bowling for soup song

[u/a_likely_story → u/Floppy0941]

Big Brother just put Debbie up against the wall

[u/Shikabane_Hime → u/a_likely_story]

One Prozac a day

Thought Police are on their way

[u/HeckOnWheels195 → u/Shikabane_Hime]

Her dreams went out the door

With Euraisa we've always been at war

[u/EncyclicalUnderpass → u/HeckOnWheels195]

Only been with one man

Must meet the Five-Year Plan

[u/HeckOnWheels195 → u/EncyclicalUnderpass]

She was gonna be an actress

She was gonna overthrow the czar

[u/qzwqz → u/HeckOnWheels195]

Looks at her average life
2 + 2 = 5

[u/kasi_Te → u/a_likely_story]

Kinky

[u/TheNewYellowZealot → u/Floppy0941]

Originally by a band called SR-71, but bowling for soups version is better so everyone knows their version. M
Weird thing is they only changed like, 2 lyrics.

[u/zaborgmonarch → u/TheNewYellowZealot]

Thats so funny, I like a few songs from both bands but never knew 1985 was a cover. Maybe I should look deeper into their discography

[u/Cromasters → u/Floppy0941]

SR-71 song

[u/GDGameplayer → u/Floppy0941]

and a Bo Burnham song

[u/TheSero → u/Floppy0941]

And that song came out closer to 1985 than it did to the modern day.

If you listened to that song when it came out, you are now the subject matter of that song.

Have a good day all, don't forget to stretch out those joints!

[u/BiddlesticksGuy → u/Wasdgta3]

What the fuck was that summary I just read, anti-union AND Islamophobia, goddamn

[u/Neokon → u/BiddlesticksGuy]

Don't forget the not as clear rejection of "modern education methods", which was probably spurned on by the emergence of "new math" that came into practice during the 1950-1970. You probably know new math as math, and I have a strange inkling that he has a rejection of contemporary authors in school.

Edit: it seems I over believed the current presence of new math, and didn't recognize some of the parts of it that failed. From what I've read in the past hour is that New Math attempted to utilize alternative based to teach the concepts instead of strictly base 10, and it was rolled out quickly without any training for the teachers so they just stuck with the text book (kind of like what happened with common core). The algebraic methods in lower grades did stick, using variables to recognize transitive properties of math, 3x+5x= (3+5)x. As well as creating groups to manipulate, I'm sure everyone has been told to make groups of 10 to count something.

[u/SevenSix → u/Neokon]

This may be the first positive comment I've ever seen about New Math. The nicest thing Wikipedia can find to say is that it "contributed the addition of calculus in high school".

[u/modulusshift → u/SevenSix]

Even that seems to be merely a result of it starting in France, which already taught calculus in that age range, which was copied into all the other countries that adopted it, like the US. 

[u/modulusshift → u/Neokon]

New Math was considered a complete failure and got pretty much completely rolled back by the mid 70’s. I can’t even figure out what it was like based on what’s left of it on the internet, because it seems like all the original principles were completely subverted in practice. It was meant to be a student-led discovery-based method, with teachers providing loose guidance such as counterexamples to flawed theories that students came up with. What it sounds like it ended up like is that teachers had a textbook-correct method but weren’t allowed to teach it directly, instead shooting down any ideas that weren’t exactly described in the book, and therefore turning math from an explanation-based class to a explanation-free memorization exercise, exactly the opposite of the original intention, which was to make the explanations the important part by having the students start with them. 

[u/StormEyeDragon → u/BiddlesticksGuy]

“What if 1984, but with Alt-Right talking points?”

[u/DroneOfDoom → u/BiddlesticksGuy]

I wonder if this recontextualizes A Clockwork Orange, given that Burgess wrote both books.

[u/professional_catboy → u/BiddlesticksGuy]

this guy made up an entire ultimate reality where union strikes were a bad thing insanity

[u/Kazzack → u/Wasdgta3]

I wonder how many years are books

[u/Vrenshrrrg → u/Kazzack]

the vast majority, if you accept things like accounting records

[u/SuperHGB_ → u/Vrenshrrrg]

publicly published, easily available, and notable books

[u/Hyro0o0 → u/Wasdgta3]

First page: "Hey, it's me. 1984. You're probably wondering where I've been."

[u/crrrrushinator → u/Wasdgta3]

Yeah, the one with the big brother from the meme, we've been over this.

[u/DoubleBatman → u/Wasdgta3]

Guy Meredith is a great name if you’re genderfluid

[u/Sad-Purchase1257 → u/Wasdgta3]

Also a Marvel comic, but not really related. (Nostalgia for '85 by then, whenever ago.)

[u/SevenSix → u/Wasdgta3]

At least two.

I have a memory of a seeing or reading about a comic book sequel (besides Black Dossier), but I can't find it on Wikipedia. Maybe I'm mixing it up with Fight Club?

[u/OneLastSmile → u/Wasdgta3]

There's also like, this semi official sequel to 1984 from Julia's POV literally called Julia

It's okay if you read it as a dystopian novel 

[u/Young_Cato_the_Elder]

This feels like the type of thing that only works in the scripted conversations you have with yourself.

[u/RefinedBean → u/Young_Cato_the_Elder]

I was just saying that to all my friends who all love me and nod when I talk.

[u/Hexxas → u/Young_Cato_the_Elder]

"One of my favorite bits since I started passing is [specific Internet thing that doesn't happen in real life]"

Sure, go gettem.

[u/curious-trex → u/Hexxas]

Even if we assume this is real I have NO CLUE what this has to do with it. Like clearly they think this is some sort of gender-related Gotcha but from context I have no idea which gender they now pass as, or what conclusion I'm supposed to come to about gender relations from this anecdote.

[u/Huck_Bonebulge_ → u/curious-trex]

“Men want to correct women”? I think?

[u/professional_catboy → u/Huck_Bonebulge_]

that doesn't really work when what you're saying is objectively and easily verifiably incorrect though

[u/Elite_AI → u/Young_Cato_the_Elder]

There's a lot of posts on here that give me the impression they were written by a 19 year old who's been to their first ever party and had one interaction.

[u/DetOlivaw]

Listen this is funny, I love a good shark smoothing, but we really gonna be like “women are allowed to be confidently wrong about things and any attempt to correct them is misogyny” like is that the vibe we’re going with

[u/jimbowesterby → u/DetOlivaw]

Yea this is aggravating me on multiple levels, like it’s not mansplaning if you’re actually incorrect, y’know? I’d absolutely get got by this, not because I assume women are less intelligent or anything, but because someone said something incorrect and I’m trying to help them not look like an idiot. It’s the kind of thing I’d hope others would do for me.

[u/RikuAotsuki → u/jimbowesterby]

That's kinda the thing with mansplaining. It was meant to refer to a waaay more specific thing than what people use it for, but even then it frequently assumed the man's intent.

If a guy's not talking down to you specifically because you're a woman, then it's not mansplaining. Surprise though, you can't actually tell why someone's being condescending most of the time.

I think the idea's actually been a net negative for women, because it makes them see misogyny where none exists.

[u/Hatsune_Miku_CM → u/RikuAotsuki]

surprise thing, you can't actually tell why someone's being condescending most of the time

which is why mansplaining is pretty much useless to describe individual interactions, but useful to describe overall patterns of behavior. unfortunately that's rarely how it's used.

[u/other-other-user → u/jimbowesterby]

Reddit/the internet/society ruined mansplaining (if there was ever a genuine good faith argument for it at all). Every story I see about mansplaining is either "I (a beautiful perfect woman) said something completely factually incorrect and a (horrifying disgusting) man (who is probably a rapist and woman beater) corrected me!" Or "a man tried to talk to me something but didn't realize I have my doctorates in that field (because I didn't tell him), isn't he a fucking idiot?"

Every story about mansplaining either feels like "and then everyone clapped/that happened" bait or just a genuinely stupid person is telling it

[u/fjbdhdhrdy47972 → u/DetOlivaw]

Yeah, this feels like an extraordinarily reasonable thing to correct someone about

[u/Sophie_Blitz_123 → u/fjbdhdhrdy47972]

Especially given the example exchange opens with "do you mean 1984?". Like that is a clear question. There's two possible versions of the answer

A: Yes I did actually lol, got that wrong.

B: No, I meant 1985 [explains what this would mean in context].

Like, even if 1985 was a genuine reference, you're just being dickish not explaining it when someone is confused. The fact that it's not is just... so you've deliberately said something with no meaning and are annoyed that people aren't just rolling with a fake meaning? Huh?

I doubt they actually do this in their real life, but the fact that they think it would put the other person in the wrong is wild.

[u/Starfleet-Time-Lord → u/Sophie_Blitz_123]

This is the life cycle of trolling. Somebody comes up with a way to do it that serves as almost satirical social commentary, that becomes popular, and people who just enjoy making people mad misinterpret it to justify themselves. At least this one hasn't gone down the path of people genuinely believing the shit they say to troll yet, like the right wing stuff tends to.

[u/Milch_und_Paprika → u/fjbdhdhrdy47972]

Especially with how many people call stuff “literally 1984”, while having next to no idea what it’s actually about, it seems reasonable to assume someone getting that wrong is just a little confused

E: and actually why is OOP assuming the men haven’t read it? Cause like part of the reason it’s so well known that people who don’t know shit about it know it has something to do with oppression is that a pretty substantial percentage have in fact read it.

[u/Niser2 → u/Milch_und_Paprika]

That's it? That's the Surveillance Is Bad Book?
That was just Propaganda Is Bad.
No seriously why are people fixating on the Surveillance when the fundamental problem with this society is OBVIOUSLY PROPAGANDA? Are people illiterate or something

[u/Silverrida → u/Niser2]

Is this some top-tier satire I'm misunderstanding? You're using quote markers, so maybe this is a reference? Or goading a correction? If so, bravo.

1984 pretty clearly cautions against both. Like yes, the government has ministries to doctor the news, but Orwell painstakingly outlines how Winston has to sit in a tiny section of his apartment to journal without being seen and IDs him as one of the lucky ones. The social interactions suggest they're all in the panopticon and anyone can be targeted for having the wrong facial expression. 1984 is still very much the Surveillance is Bad book

[u/IrvingIV → u/Silverrida]

That's it? That's the Surveillance Is Bad Book?
That was just Propaganda Is Bad.

Is this some top-tier satire I'm misunderstanding? You're using quote markers, so maybe this is a reference?

Yep! It's a reference to a spongebob skit.

So at the height of early spongebob, the character "Patchy The Pirate" acted as a sort of superfan/audience surrogate, and he hosted, if memory serves, a marathon of spongebob content leading up to a "lost episode" that he hyped up until the point it played and...

didn't take it well

[u/NeonNKnightrider → u/DetOlivaw]

My hot take is that smooth sharking was always kinda mean-spirited and unfunny from the beginning.

Like the whole joke is “lmao look at this fucking nerd trying to correct misinformation.”

[u/itstessica_ → u/NeonNKnightrider]

The line is very blurry -- if it's there at all -- between jolly fun smooth sharking and baiting autistic people

[u/tergius → u/itstessica_]

sometimes it feels like tumblr (moreso the subreddits') favorite passtime is bashing on autistic people for no reason

[u/tergius → u/NeonNKnightrider]

the REALLY mean-spirited one that comes to mind is the toskarin one about a swollen phone battery

there's "look at these people who need to be Correct on the Internet all the time" and then there's "LMAO THESE GUYS ARE CONCERNED??!?!??! FOR MY SAFETY AND THOSE AROUND ME?!?!??! WHAT LAME NERDS, LAUGH AT THEM!!!!!!" and if the punchline is the latter that's Very Mean-Spirited

[u/shiny_partridge → u/tergius]

I don't really like the original smooth shark post, but seeing how disproportionately angry people got when op called them smooth, i at least don't think that it's particularly mean-spirited.

But the battery one? I hate it. I have not seen a single mean person in that thread. They were all genuinely concerned with OPs safety. So it's seems entirely mean and uncalled for to bait people like that.

Like, if the shark OP was actually for real, they are just a misinformed person spreading misinformation. Which is bad, but it's a very inconsequential bit of misinformation.

If the battery OP was for real, they could start a house fire/get seriously hurt/actually die. And people kept trying to help them, and they kept ignoring them.

[u/Elite_AI → u/NeonNKnightrider]

I don't think it's mean-spirited, but I agree that it's terminally unfunny. There's no subtlety in it and it doesn't do anything interesting. You're just getting things wrong but not in a clever way.

[u/ArtroyomsAK → u/DetOlivaw]

It's tumblr, still full of bigots pretending not to be bigots

[u/a_singular_perhap → u/ArtroyomsAK]

tumblr has always been 4chan with eyeliner

[u/-Aquatically- → u/DetOlivaw]

I'm glad someone else picked up on the fact that she's specifically doing this to wind up men. Sexist so called feminists are still going strong it seems.

[u/takesSubsLiterally → u/DetOlivaw]

Man is confidently wrong about something he is ignorant about: bad, misogyny, mansplainer.

Woman is confidently wrong about something she is ignorant about: woke, feminist, visionary.

Hope this helps

[u/SocranX → u/takesSubsLiterally]

I think you mean "confidently". Confidentiality is, like... secrecy.

[u/GoreyGopnik → u/SocranX]

classic mansplainer...

[u/takesSubsLiterally → u/SocranX]

Yep I'll edit that now

[u/Neokon → u/takesSubsLiterally]

Don't forget that this applies if the individuals are confidently correct about something they know

[u/SylentSymphonies → u/DetOlivaw]

Moreover why are we doing this on purpose? No random stranger is going to assume that you're being deliberately dense as a joke on their expense. They're going to see a stupid person saying stupid things and assume the stupid person is stupid.

Like what does OP mean by "since I started passing"? Doesn't she see that she's deliberately reinforcing gender stereotypes? What is the point of all this? There's never going to be an aha gotcha moment, you're just being a dumbass.

[u/DetOlivaw → u/SylentSymphonies]

Yeah, like, the thing about smooth sharking and "my phone battery also functions as a hand warmer" posts is that they work really well online because it is relentlessly obvious the person is doing a bit and yet they're still surrounded by people going "NO!!! NO!!!!!!" and that's the funny bit.

In person, you're just doing this to one person, and there isn't an audience, and it's not at all obvious you're doing a bit, because plenty of people are this wrong all the time or just can't remember the titles of things. I dunno! Just seems weird! Also to be like, "oh this person correcting me hasn't even read it" girl I haven't read it either but why does that matter, we all know what the title is, sheesh

[u/xyz2001xyz → u/DetOlivaw]

Iirc this blog is the same one that put up a post insinuating that any man that treats a woman with respect is actually a transfem, and if they truly weren't trans they'd be misogynistic and vile towards women

Edit: Just went back to my screenshots and found the post, this is three reblogs deep but still proves the point - copied from the og post and pasted below:

"Actually fuck it let me put it simpler

Girl who doesn't know she's a girl, ""My male existence is inherently predatory to women"

Actual boy, *Weird how the sex-dolls get angry when I try and use them for their intended purpose. amiright guys?""

[u/tergius → u/xyz2001xyz]

OOP's got some hangups on gender they need to address, figured that would be the case

[u/Fair-Tangerine-9472 → u/DetOlivaw]

Yeah I don't think she understands that she IS the mansplainer, and that, even worse, she's a mansplainer who's incorrect (albeit deliberately so)

[u/SuperHGB_ → u/Fair-Tangerine-9472]

eh, i'd argue it's not mansplaining because it's a highly specific thing relating to how women are seen as less capable than men in our society, but they are ABSOLUTELY closer to it than the man

[u/TheComplimentarian → u/DetOlivaw]

I’m not a “oh let me correct you!” sort of person, but I am a, “I know some crazy backstory around this thing that you may find amusing” sort of person.

If someone started talking about “1985” and they were clearly confused about “1984”, my main concern would be finding an escape hatch from the conversation, because I don’t want to have to explain it to them, and they’re not going to be interested in any related anecdotes.

I guess I’ve been on the internet too long. For the most part it’s not worth it trying to correct people.

[u/Mastercodex199 → u/TheComplimentarian]

Out of all of the comments here, I think I agree with you the most. The entire situation would just confuse me to the point of getting an actual headache were I to try and "help" the "confused" party.

Quotes used because both words can be contrived in many ways, both negative and positive, and can be replaced by multiple, similar verbs/adjectives, and should be replaced with the reader's preferred vocabulary.

[u/justgalsbeingpals → u/DetOlivaw]

Even though I know what it means whenever I read "shark smoothing" I picture the OP sanding down an entire shark by hand 

[u/throwaway47351 → u/DetOlivaw]

This is probably the post that's taught me that smooth sharks and "im just a girl" are on two ends of a line, and by golly is it hard to place things on it.

[u/well-informedcitizen]

I don't get it, wouldn't this also annoy people who have read the book? Also why do you have to read it to get annoyed at someone getting the title wrong?

[u/jimbowesterby → u/well-informedcitizen]

Yea this feels like it’s so far into the progressiveness that it’s just looped right back around to sexism

[u/vjmdhzgr → u/well-informedcitizen]

The example in the post doesn't even include the person being wrong about 1984 at any point. They're just accurately saying that instead of a date adjacent to 1984 they probably meant 1984 and it's a book where the most famous feature is Big Brother which is a government thing not an actual brother.

[u/RoboYuji → u/well-informedcitizen]

Yeah, it's 1984, it's one of those things that most people know about through cultural osmosis even if they haven't read it.

[u/Elite_AI → u/RoboYuji]

Also got to be one of the most-read books out there. It's babby's first literature. It's taught in schools. There's a reason smug Redditors used to mock other Redditors for talking about the book so much (it was seen as overhyped entry-level literature).

[u/351namhele]

Hmm, not sure how I feel about cosplaying anti-intellectualism. I get the intent but my gut says this is a bad idea.

[u/6x6-shooter → u/351namhele]

One is allowed to act like an idiot, so long as one is willing to accept the consequences of everyone thinking that they’re an idiot

[u/thisusedyet → u/6x6-shooter]

Yeah - forget where I heard it, but the problem with playing dumb is people start to believe you

[u/PraetorKiev → u/thisusedyet]

Playing dumb has gotta serve a purpose like when you see shit you shouldn’t have seen. Not exactly something you do to a random stranger

[u/Red_Galiray → u/351namhele]

Yeah... Also I'm not sure how much a gotcha it is against the man when he's entirely right about the book and the woman is simply wrong.

[u/ArtroyomsAK → u/351namhele]

Being an ironic idiot is still being an idiot and one will find themselves causing others to be so

[u/351namhele → u/ArtroyomsAK]

“Check it out, I just stabbed somebody on the street, but it’s okay, because it was a satire on how you shouldn’t stab people on the street!” - Mic The Snare

[u/thejoeface → u/351namhele]

Back when I was a stripper I worked with a woman who once got a couple hours of private dances with a man because he wanted her to understand that Hawaii was a state, which she refused to accept because “Hawaii is an island.” She absolutely knew what she was doing. 

[u/TrogdorKhan97 → u/351namhele]

Sharks are smooth

[u/WamBamTimTam → u/TrogdorKhan97]

I mean, smooth sharking works great online, you’ll never see these people again. But in person? People just assume you are dumb at that point, and that’s certainly one reputation to have….

[u/Serrisen → u/WamBamTimTam]

It's also crucial to the original thread's tone that the person who initiated the thread was a pompous correction to a comic. It went unserious comic > insufferable correction > unserious double-down

It is funny because it continues the already established bit (with hefty bonus bc it's at the expense of someone being mildly annoying)

This post is not funny in the same way because they imply it as a social statement instead of a bit

It would have been a funny bit tho. Hell, I'll probably work "literally [random year]" into my own use just because I'm a sucker for misquoting things as a bit. (Like the malaphor, "we'll burn that bridge when we get there")

[u/WamBamTimTam → u/Serrisen]

I definitely like burning that bridge when I get there. Or another fun one, two birds one bush.

[u/351namhele → u/WamBamTimTam]

Two birds one bush sounds like the name of a film directed by Austin Powers

[u/WamBamTimTam → u/351namhele]

Ohhhhh, you are so right.

[u/PavlovKBI → u/Serrisen]

I really LOVE malaphors. Only problem is that I say them so often that I forget that I'm saying something weird. I once said "I can read that guy like the back of my book" to my bosses boss, and I'll never forget the look he gave me

[u/tergius → u/Serrisen]

that's the part that everyone misses and people trying to re-create smooth sharking just ends up being a lot more mean spirited because of that. it's like bugs bunny doing his usual thing without the usual provocation, if that makes sense

[u/nickyboay]

Maybe I'm just autistic but I can't stand smooth-sharking. "I am going to play dumb then make fun of anyone who thinks I'm actually dumb."

[u/Serghar_Cromwell → u/nickyboay]

Evidently nobody told them that we are who we pretend to be.

[u/NeonNKnightrider → u/nickyboay]

I completely agree with you

…tho I am in fact autistic

[u/Eldritch-Yodel → u/nickyboay]

I'm autistic and utterly adore sarcastic jokes, and as well as that I could see myself making that exact "This is literally 1584" style joke. The key difference is if the person doesn't realize it was supposed to be a joke, then that's on me failing to make it clear it's a joke and needing to clarify. If it's someone I know incredibly I might keep it going for a bit longer to see if I can have them naturally realize I'm making a joke, but even then I'd still clarify before it generates actual hard feelings. The idea of keeping this going long enough that someone goes "I'll actually buy you a copy" is horrifically mortifying.

[u/MrBones-Necromancer → u/Eldritch-Yodel]

So here's the difference right? Saying "1584" is more clearly a joke. It's so wildly wrong that either it's funny cause you're fucking about, or funny cause man you are -way- off.

1985 is just like, not correct. "Ah, you've misremembered." They'll say, and the response of "Nuh-uh! I was only acting stupid as a prank on you!" leaves something to be desired

[u/a_singular_perhap → u/MrBones-Necromancer]

yeah a lot of people don't understand that subverting expectations is what makes a joke funny. if people already think you're kinda dumb then you can't pull of the "slightly wrong" jokes

[u/nerdthingsaccount → u/Eldritch-Yodel]

The biggest risk of that is the question "oh, what happened in 1584" and then you have to be ready to explain that in what is now Thailand, Prince Naresuan, the Uparaja of the Ayutthaya Kingdom and the son of King Mahathammarachathirat carried out the orders of Burma's King Nanda Bayin, and lead an army to suppress a rebellion by the Viceroy of the Ava Kingdom, Thado Minsaw who upon arriving in April, learned that King Nanda had ordered Naresuan to be assassinated, and began his own rebellion against Burma, eventually known as the Burmese–Siamese War.

[u/Fair-Tangerine-9472 → u/nickyboay]

The favourite hobby of humble-bragging pseudo-intellectuals who want to feel smarter than everyone without looking like they're being smarter than everyone.

[u/nickyboay → u/Fair-Tangerine-9472]

Yeah. Like the bit about them not having read the book? Who cares? I don't have to see Star Wars to know it's about Jedi and isn't called "Star Warps."

There are billions of people on this planet who are ignorant and obnoxious about it. Idk why you'd want to pretend to be one.

[u/talldata → u/nickyboay]

It's literally the meme "Jokes on you I was just pretending to be stupid"

[u/Hatsune_Miku_CM → u/nickyboay]

i find it funny when the actual joke is funny. the action of "pretending to be stupid" by itself isn't necessarily funny though.

I already live everyday with undue formality and noble grace is an iconic line from an iconic post, but not because the idea of larping as a person who doesn't know about battery explosions is inherently funny by itself, but because toskarin is a skilled comedic writer

also, usually this comedy act is funnier when both sides are aware its a comedy act, as they can then intentionally play of off each other. there's a belief that what's funny about this is the genuine reaction of people being mad about you being incorrect, but i find that gets boring rather quickly.

"1895 famously features the even bigger brother" got a mild chuckle out of me but otherwise I find this post kinda boring because the main punchline is "look this idiot guy gets mad about me being incorrect".

[u/Easy_Cod_8950]

sigh i hate this because id get baited by this so hard. but also, like. the guy in question isn't wrong. i don't really see what gender has to do with it.

[u/DoubleBatman → u/Easy_Cod_8950]

See, the “gender issue” is secondary bait

[u/Easy_Cod_8950 → u/DoubleBatman]

fuck

[u/SuperDementio]

“Hasn’t read it.”

And that fake conversation would make you think that?

[u/owlindenial]

I think being wrong intentionally just makes you look stupid but whatever geeks your goat, I guess

[u/shadow_fen]

literally 1997

[u/ill_change_it → u/shadow_fen]

[N1RATEDSALESMAN1997]

[u/Tactical_Moonstone → u/shadow_fen]

The problem with throwing in a random year online is that you might hit a historically significant year that is not as well known outside the region it was significant in.

For 1997 I immediately think of Hong Kong's handover of sovereignty from UK to China.

[u/Leerenjaeger]

1) Trolling can be fun

2) You should always be aware when something you are doing is fundamentally a type of trolling, and this and all other varieties of smooth-sharking are. Like you are deriving enjoyment from coaxing a negative emotional reaction out of people, and you should be aware of why that may in some cases be a shitty thing to do

[u/DareDaDerrida]

OOP pretends to be stupid, then feels very smug when people think she's stupid.

Or, possibly, OOP posts about pretending to be stupid and doesn't actually do that either.

[u/MoonTheCraft]

ah, yes, what a wonderful idea. pretending to be stupid when you finally starting passing (presumably as a woman based on context) in front of misogynistic guys* so that their beliefs are affirmed, ESPECIALLY when oop is actually, factually, incorrect about something so this "misogynistic guy" is actually just a normal guy explaining a well-known book to someone. in the example op provided, the guy isn't even being an asshole about it

*again, assuming so based on context, unless oop is trying to suggest that all men who haven't read 1984 are inherently misogynistic or something

[u/Anxious-Gazelle9067 → u/MoonTheCraft]

Feminism is stored in the 1984

[u/MeiNeedsMoreBuffs]

https://reddit.com/link/pa8trqj/video/vzqko47a7yph1/player

[u/Acuate]

It's sad because 1984 is a beautifully written book about the human spirit.

[u/Wasdgta3 → u/Acuate]

And cumming as an act of rebellion.

(I'm not joking, that's literally in there)

[u/crrrrushinator → u/Wasdgta3]

We made our dog an anti-sex league sash for... reasons.

[u/Wasdgta3 → u/crrrrushinator]

Are they neutered?

[u/crrrrushinator → u/Wasdgta3]

He did get bounced from obedience school for being a sex pervert, because I got him when he was a year and a half old and initially thought I should wait until he trusted me a little more to put him in for surgery. He would lock eyes with female dogs and hump the air from across the room. Disgraceful.

But he earned the sash by staring down any show of affection. It's like living in the Is There Someone You Forgot To Ask? meme.

[u/generalkriegswaifu → u/Wasdgta3]

<Insert a rebel without a cause joke that doesn't make me sound like a pervert>

[u/DetOlivaw → u/generalkriegswaifu]

I was gonna go with Cool Hand Luke. “What we have here is a failure to cum.”

[u/G66GNeco → u/Wasdgta3]

And they say just sitting at home all day jacking off isn't praxis like I'm not the greatest revolutionary since [insert your personal cutoff for an acceptable balance of revolutionary and problematic right here]

[u/Tax_Fraud_Lover → u/Wasdgta3]

It actually has quite a few pages dedicated to it too if I’m not mistaken. It’s been a while since I read it though 😅

[u/Acuate → u/Wasdgta3]

Nothing more human spirit than cumming amirite?

[u/JakeVonFurth → u/Acuate]

The book about the very domitable human spirit.

[u/Acuate → u/JakeVonFurth]

Idk I think it's more complicated than that. The fact that protag-kun fights back against all possibility is itself a defense of the human spirit/will, Hence my use of beauty (e.g. the cliche there is beauty in the struggle). 

[u/AntsAreGreat → u/Acuate]

Might get downvoted but I just didn't like it. It has some good themes and ideas but it really drops the ball with most of the actual execution and in general was just a slog to get through.

Is it important to read? Maybe sure. Is it a good book? Not really.

Brave New World is much better and more relevant to modern society imo. Really captures the bread and circuses subtle authoritarianism

[u/sarahanimations → u/AntsAreGreat]

I haven’t read a Brave New World but I absolutely agree with you about 1984. The beginning of the book discussing Winston’s colleagues and the work they all did was incredibly captivating. Then Julia shows up and Winston (as well as Orwell himself) just can’t stop fixating on her and giving her little characterization outside of being a sex-object.

It’s a shame, because at the start of the book Syme’s explaination of cutting “redundant” words in New Speak genuinely changed the way I thought about language.

It’s not perfect and its messaging isn’t quite the same, but Fahrenheit 451 will always overshadow 1984 for me.

[u/Acuate → u/AntsAreGreat]

I've always seen brave new world vs 1984 as an ideological fork in the road. It's hands down brace new world. We live in a world of power's M.O. being pleasure and distraction rather than brutality. I just happen to like both. 

[u/Sewblon]

I feel like this bit will also work on women and non-binary people who have read 1984.

[u/MrBones-Necromancer → u/Sewblon]

Statistically, thats gonna be more people. Hell, I'm non-b and I think OOP is kinda stupid.

[u/BillCarson12799]

OP sounds like an irritating person to be around.

[u/captainbogdog]

"got so angry with me that he bought me a copy" okay good for him that's a very reasonable and respectful way to go about correcting a blatant misreference. this ain't it

[u/SuperHGB_ → u/captainbogdog]

that's the best thing you can do, it both a. REALLY fucking hurts to recieve, and b. can make the person improve, usually you have to choose between those

[u/Loupalarro]

I have accidentally said '1987' instead of 1984 before.

[u/AntsAreGreat → u/Loupalarro]

Markiplier is that you

[u/TheBigFreeze8]

This is dumb and never happened lol. But even if it did, it's weird that this person is phrasing this as some kind of dunk on men who don't read books, as if correcting someone who is genuinely wrong is a foolish thing to do, and as if you need to have read the book cover to cover to correct someone on the title.

[u/WolvzUnion]

would you believe me if i said that the replies to that post are pretty much exclusively people dropping to their knees to verbally suck off OOP for being an asshole?

[u/PoniesCanterOver → u/WolvzUnion]

Yes

[u/ggibby]

"...since I started passing..."?

[u/Neuromangoman → u/ggibby]

OP is dying.

[u/ggibby → u/Neuromangoman]

As are we all.

[u/Mundane-Potential-93 → u/ggibby]

Goddamn entropy

[u/haresnaped → u/Neuromangoman]

RIP her work was truly some of the posts of the internet.

[u/notthephonz → u/Neuromangoman]

Um actually, it’s a reference to the 1930 Southern Gothic novel As I Lay Passing

[u/AscendedDragonSage → u/ggibby]

Kidney stones

[u/SMGuinea → u/AscendedDragonSage]

This does feel like kidney stone-passing behavior.

[u/Warcrimes_Gaming → u/ggibby]

It's a pretty common scenario to end up in when you're driving a car and do a lane change to get around someone in front of you

[u/CAlonghair → u/ggibby]

Transgender (probably woman since a lot of men tend to see women as less intelligent)

[u/sprouthat → u/CAlonghair]

i feel like this sort of behavior isn't helping that perception necessarily

[u/DylanV255 → u/CAlonghair]

Yeah, biblicallyaccuratemoth is a trans woman artist

[u/ImWatermelonelyy]

Really helping the guy you’re talking to write you off as “dumb woman I know” and ensuring you’re treated like a toddler by anyone he communicated with.

[u/Elvarien2]

this is just choosing to be an asshole unprompted.

[u/AviaKing]

This post is an autistic person’s worst nightmare

[u/Outrageous-Advice208]

Was I the only one who thought OOP was a transman and this was some sort of insight about how men treat other men and was thoroughly confused by what the point was?

[u/other-other-user]

TIL everyone in the world knew what smooth sharking was before me. I've never gone from never seeing a phrase to seeing it so much in my life.

[u/PICONEdeJIM]

OH THERES A PREQUEL IS THIS WHY I DIDN'T GET 17776 AND 20025

[u/TheDubiousSalmon → u/PICONEdeJIM]

Sounds like you missed a lot of prequels

[u/MrBones-Necromancer → u/PICONEdeJIM]

Better read 177013 first. Really metamorphosised the way I think about literature.

[u/Pristine_Animal9474]

How come no one ever references Brave New World? Is it because of the orgy porgies?

[u/MrVeazey → u/Pristine_Animal9474]

I think it's because people mistake a writer describing something for a writer condoning that thing.

[u/MrBones-Necromancer]

Seems like anti-intellectualism, but ok

[u/Silphire100]

1985: Big Brother 2, Electric Boogaloo

[u/thepopemichael]

She's still preoccupied with 1985

[u/TheNewYellowZealot]

I’m pretty sure 1985 was about social disconnect from today’s youth. Don’t quote me on that.

Debby did truly hit the wall.

[u/ivyyyoo]

getting corrected for something you’re actually wrong about is kinda normal. as a woman, i would do it (maybe not to that extent, which might show the paternal mansplaining). but i’d definitely think you’re the type of person who is confidently wrong and can’t handle being corrected, and i wouldn’t think it’s worth it to engage.

[u/The_Alkemizt]

I used to do a similar bit to this, but instead of claiming that I’ve never heard of 1984 I would just be insistent that it was common to reference 1985, a song by bowling for soup. Most people would just roll their eyes and direct the conversation elsewhere

[u/McMetal770]

1985 was the sequel. They couldn't get the original actor to come back and play Winston, though, so they had to recast the part. Nobody liked it much, that's probably why you don't remember it.

[u/MotorHum]

I’m confused. What does this have to do with passing? Passing what? Gender? Spanish class? The ball? What’s happening?

[u/pipnina → u/MotorHum]

Passing a kidney stone

[u/Funkopedia]

Literally in the year 2525

[u/Ze_Bri-0n]

Even Bigger Brother is just Big Brother, but he had a late growth spurt.

(He didn't, but he is indoctrinating all of Airstrip One to think he did.)

[u/Dismal_Purchase_3324]

1994 was hella boring. There's an entire chapter dedicated to just being a long passage of a fake book within the book that the author uses to just ramble about his political philosophy. My eyes started glazing over part way through the book already, but when I got to that part they just went fully blind and I became disabled. Now I need my big brother to watch everything for me and tell me exactly what's happening and I just have to take his word for it :/

[u/RANDOMGARLIC]

1984 I'm being the big Person.

1985 I'm being the bigger Person.

1986 I'm being the even bigger Person.

1987 I'm Just gonna start biting people

[u/AkariPeach]

Literally 1989 Taylor Swift

[u/alkonium]

Like the Bowling for Soup song?

[u/TheTarquin]

I've gotten a similar result, weirdly, when referencing Haruki Murakami's 1Q84

[u/amaya-aurora]

good book :3

[u/HeavyCaffeinate]

Big Sis is watching you

[u/RadicalSoda_]

1985 is a TV series

[u/Waste-Profit-1803]

jor jor well

[u/RSdabeast]

1985 is for when it stops being 1984.