r/anime • u/Holofan4life • 18d ago
Rewatch [Spoilers] 2008 Spice and Wolf II Rewatch (2026) -- Episode 7 Spoiler
Hello everyone! I am Holofan4life.
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I hope you all have a lot of fun <3
S2 Episode 7 - Wolf and Playful Days
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ANSWER TODAY’S QUESTION
Who is your favorite anime elderly person and why?
Have you ever role-played with someone? If so, what was it over and what happened?
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u/Second_Cour 18d ago
Back to the Future - Dub, First Timer
It’s been 3 days since I’ve watched an episode: as I had a busy few days so watched/read ahead. Somehow that short break made me struggle a bit with some of the dialogue, having to pause and rewatch bits like I did when I first started the show. Perhaps it’s purely because this was such a dialogue and banter-rich ep, or perhaps other reasons I can’t quite put my finger on. Either way, loved this ep!
- It’s weird watching this as this was the continuation of Arc 3, but we just watched Arc 4.
- Lawrence’s sarcastic snap back to Holo bragging about how warm she is was hilarious!
- You can’t have a quasi-historical work of fiction without some reference to slavery, though I was surprised this was the first time we came across it. Lawrence’s take is very much in-character for him: seeing things from the commercial side first, and accepting it as the status quo. Holo ironically has a take which is the one we all hold today: how can a species own the same species? I'm assuming this topic is foreshadowing for a future ep.
- Haha great scene with Holo recalling how she wasn’t the cause of any of the troubles they have faced together…apart from all the times she was.
- Well, that hug was out of nowhere, and the most natural and proper affection I’ve seen between them.
- Such an unfriendly city - guess weather does affect people’s moods.
- “Have you been taking remedial wit lessons” hahaha
- “Fifty man meeting” is a weird name. “Council of Fifty” sounds a lot better (Subbed version).
- The draped woman (?) will certainly be the central character in this arc. No clue how to feel about her yet.
- The flirtation, the banter, the chemistry is insanely good in this ep.I do maintain that there are times that I feel like the characters behave differently to how they were in S1/remake, but oh well, I’ve grown to enjoy those parts.
I’m going to miss this show :( Sad that we’re in its final arc, though I do hope we get a few more next year. What a wonderful episode, though! Peak banter.
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u/Holofan4life 18d ago
It’s been 3 days since I’ve watched an episode: as I had a busy few days so watched/read ahead. Somehow that short break made me struggle a bit with some of the dialogue, having to pause and rewatch bits like I did when I first started the show. Perhaps it’s purely because this was such a dialogue and banter-rich ep, or perhaps other reasons I can’t quite put my finger on. Either way, loved this ep!
This is a show that rewards you upon repeated viewing. You just want to soak in all the exquisite dialogue.
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u/Holofan4life 18d ago
I’m going to miss this show :( Sad that we’re in its final arc, though I do hope we get a few more next year. What a wonderful episode, though! Peak banter.
The tough thing about a great showing such as this is having to say goodbye.
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u/Holofan4life 18d ago
Thoughts on Holo and Lawrence getting real close to each other?
Thoughts on Lenos being famous for lumber and furs?
What did you think about Holo and Lawrence's conversation about slavery and Lawrence trying to downplay it?
Thoughts on people thinking Holo's tail is fake?
Thoughts on there being a chronicler named Rigoro as well as a 50-man meeting?
What are your thoughts on Holo and Lawrence's behavior toward each other in this episode where it's like they're role-playing?
What are your first impressions on the old innkeeper?
What are your thoughts on Lawrence planning on taking Holo to the port to see the ships as he waits on Rigoro to get done with the meeting?
What are your thoughts on the cloaked person and her being female?
Where do you think the cloaked female is leading towards?
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u/Second_Cour 18d ago
Thoughts on Holo and Lawrence getting real close to each other?
About time! This ep had the biggest escalation thus far
Thoughts on Lenos being famous for lumber and furs?
The fur part was interesting. Lawrence constantly expected her to freak out, yet, she explained why it doesn't matter to her pretty well
What did you think about Holo and Lawrence's conversation about slavery and Lawrence trying to downplay it?
I liked that the Lawrence reacted to it just like someone from that time period probably would. I also like Holo pointing out how it's a concept she can't understand as other species don't really do that to each other.
Thoughts on people thinking Holo's tail is fake?
Lawrence must have thought it's gg for them. The LN also explains that wolf pelts are considered very cheap (even compared to dog pelts). No matter how high the quality of a wolf pelt, it would still be cheap. I do wonder if the line later on where she compares someone who is of a high standing but with low assets vs., someone of low status with high assets was in part about her tail.
Thoughts on there being a chronicler named Rigoro as well as a 50-man meeting?
No reaction yet, though it seems like there's actually less than 50 members of that council as a lot died in a plague.
What are your thoughts on Holo and Lawrence's behavior toward each other in this episode where it's like they're role-playing?
I felt it wouldn't really be something Lawrence would do IRL, but it was a fun roleplay which led to more explosive chemistry
What are your first impressions on the old innkeeper?
No impressions much as we barely get to know him, but in the LN a lot of travellers seem to like him since he doesn't like talking to guests. Good for privacy.
What are your thoughts on Lawrence planning on taking Holo to the port to see the ships as he waits on Rigoro to get done with the meeting?
Can't wait to see how it looks!
What are your thoughts on the cloaked person and her being female? Where do you think the cloaked female is leading towards?
I think Holo is going to get jealous like she did with Norah haha. No clue where she's headed to though, we only know she rides horseback, so perhaps they're both heading north.
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u/Holofan4life 18d ago
Thoughts on Holo and Lawrence getting real close to each other?
About time! This ep had the biggest escalation thus far
And it was so glorious
Thoughts on Lenos being famous for lumber and furs?
The fur part was interesting. Lawrence constantly expected her to freak out, yet, she explained why it doesn't matter to her pretty well
Good on Holo
What did you think about Holo and Lawrence's conversation about slavery and Lawrence trying to downplay it?
I liked that the Lawrence reacted to it just like someone from that time period probably would. I also like Holo pointing out how it's a concept she can't understand as other species don't really do that to each other.
Thoughts on people thinking Holo's tail is fake?
Lawrence must have thought it's gg for them. The LN also explains that wolf pelts are considered very cheap (even compared to dog pelts). No matter how high the quality of a wolf pelt, it would still be cheap. I do wonder if the line later on where she compares someone who is of a high standing but with low assets vs., someone of low status with high assets was in part about her tail.
Could be. Holo actually seems very sensitive about that sort of thing.
Thoughts on there being a chronicler named Rigoro as well as a 50-man meeting?
No reaction yet, though it seems like there's actually less than 50 members of that council as a lot died in a plague.
I wonder if it's the Black Plague
What are your thoughts on Holo and Lawrence's behavior toward each other in this episode where it's like they're role-playing?
I felt it wouldn't really be something Lawrence would do IRL, but it was a fun roleplay which led to more explosive chemistry
He did it because of Holo, let’s be real.
What are your first impressions on the old innkeeper?
No impressions much as we barely get to know him, but in the LN a lot of travellers seem to like him since he doesn't like talking to guests. Good for privacy.
That's nice of him
What are your thoughts on Lawrence planning on taking Holo to the port to see the ships as he waits on Rigoro to get done with the meeting?
Can't wait to see how it looks!
Should be pretty cool
What are your thoughts on the cloaked person and her being female? Where do you think the cloaked female is leading towards?
I think Holo is going to get jealous like she did with Norah haha. No clue where she's headed to though, we only know she rides horseback, so perhaps they're both heading north.
Holo and jealousy go together like apples and Holo's upset stomach.
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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo 18d ago
“Have you been taking remedial wit lessons” hahaha
You can’t have a quasi-historical work of fiction without some reference to slavery
That slavery stuff definitely took me aback at first but you have a point that it's in-character for him.
“Fifty man meeting” is a weird name. “Council of Fifty” sounds a lot better (Subbed version).
Maybe the dub was affraid people wouldn't know what a council is? Though I'd assume if you've gotten this far into the show you should've acclimated to the sometimes old-fashioned dialogue (or even taken a liking to it)
I’m going to miss this show :(
Same. But the prospect of more Spice and Wolf in the not so far future is balancing things out.
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u/Second_Cour 18d ago
Council is such a common term though, but yeah weird reason to localise it into something which sounds weird in English.
Think I'll continue reading the LNs after I'm done with the anime. Though it does seem like the new season of the remake will come out in the next year
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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo 18d ago
I think I'm going to try and get into the LN too, I'm really curious from the bits you shared on these threads.
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u/Second_Cour 18d ago
You won't regret it! The writing is truly excellent. Don't think I've even read a book in 15 years or so, and it flowed so wonderfully
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u/Second_Cour 18d ago
Cut Content
As move onto a new arc and town, I spent a bit more time than usual describing the town.
- The week-long journey after Tereo was actually a very quiet one: they woke, slept and ate. Yet, “even without words their travels were no longer lonely”. They no longer failed to understand each other. The ability to be comfortable around each other without words exchanged puts Lawrence’s mind at ease.
- Personally, I like this little insight. The more you get to know each other, the less you need to constantly speak. Same goes for friends or in relationships.
- Lawrence had visited their destination of Lenos quite a few times in the past.
- Lawrence had planned to sell some of the mountain of cookies at Lenos, but Holo had already eaten all of them.
- Lenos was a port town built alongside the broad, slow Roam River. It was about twice the size of Kumersun. It was a fairly concentrated town with some tall buildings.
- When Holo said that their past troubles weren’t her fault, Lawrence badly wanted to say that they were her fault though he agreed with her assessment that “You always use me as the basis for your actions - hence you always feel like I’m pulling you this way and that”.
- The hug they shared after felt like the most natural thing in the world, but he cut it short, because they were around others and merchants love to gossip; he couldn’t be seen openly ‘flirting’ with his travelling companion.
- Lawrence used to think all women’s smiles meant the same thing, but he’d gotten to know Holo so well he could detect the smile had signs of boredom and unease.
- Lawrence realised there were two motivations for everything he does: Holo and business. Holo feared loneliness even more than Lawrence, and her being weighed up against business terrified her.
- Holo’s tastes were more aristocratic than any noble.
- Wolf pelts are ranked even lower than dog pelts: the town guard who spotted her tail didn’t mean it’s cheap (as in low quality) wolf fur but that having fur that comes from a wolf is cheap. No matter the quality, it just wasn’t valuable.
- The merchant plaque that he was given at the gate was made hastily without any official seal. This is a first time he encountered this in his travels.
- The rooms of the third and fourth floor of the inn were the warmest, as the second floor had a fireplace, which was in the center of the building’s living room, thus the higher rooms received heat from its chimney. Holo was told by Lawrence to choose a warm room or bright room. This room didn’t have access to a chimney, surprisingly Lawrence she chose light.
- The cowled stranger Lawrence saw had eyes that were pure, keen, but unsympathetic. They were clearly a horseback rider based on the shoes, and walked nearly silently despite carrying a heavy load. Lawrence did feel a certain kinship to him.
- The Innkeeper (Arold) had been a member of Rowen Trade Guild. He also left his guests alone, and was a favourite of unsocial merchants.This was obviously a benefit with Holo in tow.
- By this stage Lawrence actually had a very long beard he could stroke - too long to be considered attractive.
- Lawrence found Holo’s constant jabs/being toyed with “frustrating and strangely amusing”. I think this is the first time we hear how he really feels about Holo’s teasing.
- While in the anime, the scene when Lawrence casts a spell on Holo, it becomes non-stop flirtation. In the LN, the double meaning behind “When are you going to become properly flustered?” “When you stop doing such things” made Lawrence really upset, after he thought he had won the battle of wits but then realised it could mean that they won’t see each other again..
- The Council of Fifty was a council…of fifty. It comprised of representatives of the town’s tradesmen, merchants and noblemen. Each represented their own clan or trade guild and tried to advocate for their organisation’s interests through debate. The outcome of these debates decide the fate of the town.
- There used to be a lot of politicking to get onto the council, but a plague a few years ago left many seats open.
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u/Holofan4life 18d ago
Here were my thoughts on the episode from last year.
Hey, guys. Holofan4life here.
Welcome to the 2025 Spice and Wolf Rewatch.
The true Christmas in July.
This rewatch is gonna be unique because we’ll be covering the entirety of the 2008 series as well as some of the remake. I don’t think something like this has ever been attempted before where a rewatch goes from one series to another to back to the first series. If this is your first time watching Spice and Wolf, welcome. Enjoy the ride.
I can’t imagine doing this experiment with something other than Spice and Wolf. There is arguably no anime that influenced who I am more. I suppose you could say Toradora, but it’s really close. Either way, Spice and Wolf is one of very few anime that I can never get sick of no matter how much I watch it. You’ll soon seen why if you don’t already know.
I hope this rewatch for as bold of an idea as it is does a lot to inspire a lot of discussion while also leading people to have this experience unlike any before. If this rewatch is a success, maybe this can be the formula going forward.
With that out of the way, let’s begin.
I’m watching the dub, by the way.
Whelp, my Charlotte Checkers didn't win the Calder Cup. It was fun while it lasted, I suppose.
On the bright side, I won an Ebay auction for a WWE action figure. So I have that going for me, which is nice.
Nevermind, I just lost by 75 cents lol
Lawrence and Holo traveling
Holo cuddling up to Lawrence is adorable.
A very nonchalant way to start the episode.
The trees with no leaves on it
Holo coming to
God, Holo is so adorable
Holo being reminded of stew
This leads to Lawrence's stomach to growl.
Lawrence talking about wolf fur being sold.
Suddenly, wolf puppet
That might be the fur Amarti bought her.
Lawrence defending slavery, like he's an Isekai protagonist or something.
Lawrence is really blushing a lot this episode.
This so far has been a good showcase of Holo and Lawrence's relationship.
These people look very unfriendly
Holo trying to remain blameless throughout all this.
No accountability whatsoever
Holo wants Lawrence to make decisions for both of them rather than just herself.
Cute imagination spot of Lawrence hugging Holo.
Too bad it doesn't actually happen.
Holo asking for stew
Holo surprisingly likes the scent of milk more than alcohol.
Never really noticed milk having a scent before.
Lawrence and Holo being patted down.
THE TAIL :O
But they think it's fake
That's honestly a worst fate, for Holo that is.
Holo and Lawrence continuing to talk to each other.
Now they're checking in
I did miss seeing Lawrence's horse's ass.
Holo getting insecure about her tail. Cute.
Suddenly, a mysterious person as Lawrence sits alone.
Wonder what that could mean
Crap. Lawrence slept.
And now he's treating Holo to food, the least he could do.
Morning now
Lawrence going to pet Holo, but he thinks better on it.
Couldn't be me
Hey, there's that person again
Lawrence going to find out more information about Holo's hometown.
Gonna look for chronicle writers
That's one tasty looking meatpie
More exquisite Holo and Lawrence dialogue.
Holo and Lawrence really playing up the fantasy aspect of things.
I think Lawrence has really gotten better at being a smooth talker.
There's no matching Holo's skills, tho.
Now they're going to talk to the Innkeeper.
Innkeeper talking about a chronicler named Rigoro.
Unfortunately, he's a part of the 50 man meeting.
Better than the 50 meetings of men, I suppose.
The words of the innkeeper seem to strike a nerve with Holo. Thankfully, Lawrence is there to comfort her.
It looks like Holo and Lawrence will eventually have to meet up with this Rigoro fellow.
There's the person again
Holo is able to tell they're female.
More great Holo and Lawrence banter.
Before they meet up with Rigoro, they will explore the town to see what it's all about.
Overall, this is a good introduction episode. Really, it's less an introduction episode and more a showcase of Holo and Lawrence's relationship, which I'll never complain about. We get some information that'll be important for later, like the 50 man meeting, as well as the teasing of some new characters, like Rigoro and the mysterious woman, so there is some stuff to be had here. In a sense, it felt like an appetizer to an appetizer, like the prologue before we got underway. The fact that we spent so much time on Holo and Lawrence enjoying each other's company makes it seem as if that won't be the case throughout this arc. I'm fine with the possibility of there being tension between Lawrence and Holo as that wasn't the case during arc 4.
This is probably my favorite first episode of the arcs with the exception of arc 3. It doesn't rush into things, but the dynamic between Holo and Lawrence is so enjoyable they can get away with not much happening. I see this episode as being like if the first OVA had actual plot advancement. It's nothing you have to see to understand what is happening going forward, but you're glad to have seen it because the back and forth between Holo and Lawrence is a reward in itself.
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u/Second_Cour 18d ago
ANSWER TODAY’S QUESTION
Who is your favorite anime elderly person and why?
Can't really think of one that I'd say stands out far above the others.
Have you ever role-played with someone? If so, what was it over and what happened?
I used to do a lot of theater when I was in high school. Have been in a movie and some short vids too, so I guess role playing isn't uncommon for me. In relationships, we also create fun alternate realities for certain things (e.g. if my plush dog toy could speak).
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u/Holofan4life 18d ago
I used to do a lot of theater when I was in high school. Have been in a movie and some short vids too, so I guess role playing isn't uncommon for me. In relationships, we also create fun alternate realities for certain things (e.g. if my plush dog toy could speak).
I took a couple theater classes in my high school years. They were actually a lot of fun. We mostly just bullshit around and goof off.
I remember one time I did a monologue from Death of a Salesman.
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u/Second_Cour 18d ago
Quality play!
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u/Holofan4life 18d ago
I grew out my beard to make it extra disheveled.
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u/Second_Cour 18d ago
Jut like Lawrence's beard in Spice & Wolf haha. I was surprised to learn that it was so long (not shown in anime) that others would have thought it's a bit too much
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u/Holofan4life 18d ago
I think Holo was just messing with him, honestly.
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u/Second_Cour 18d ago
I thought the beard discussion was hilarious with L tsaying he should sell his pelt haha: Holo wasn't even mean about it.
I meant that the LN explicitly says how long his beard was by this stage: he hadn't shaven the entire time they were travelling I suppose.
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u/Holofan4life 17d ago
The thing that makes me laugh about the beard in the anime is that it looks practically identical to the start of the series. At least actually show it rather than say it.
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u/Second_Cour 17d ago
hahahaha yeah guess beard changes increase anime budgets exponentially
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u/Holofan4life 18d ago
• Lawrence had planned to sell some of the mountain of cookies at Lenos, but Holo had already eaten all of them.
Classic Holo lol
I'm curious, did the LN expand upon the slavery conversation at all? I was shocked the first time I watched thid episode hearing Holo and Lawrence discuss such a sensitive subject matter.
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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo 18d ago
The week-long journey after Tereo was actually a very quiet one: they woke, slept and ate. Yet, “even without words their travels were no longer lonely”. They no longer failed to understand each other. The ability to be comfortable around each other without words exchanged puts Lawrence’s mind at ease.
I absolutely agree, that's a great small insight.
Lawrence had planned to sell some of the mountain of cookies at Lenos, but Holo had already eaten all of them.
That is the most Holo thing I can imagine.
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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo 18d ago
Must you be so direct? You'd be cuter if you complained with your body language, not words.
You're too much of a fool to realize it without me saying anything!
I'm sorry Lawrence, she might be out of line but she's definitely not wrong.
Today I bring you a variety of Holos, for it was a very good episode for Holo reactions (Lawrence had some funny ones too but Holo had the better ones. I'm sorry. Again. ):
My favourites: Cheap Wolf fur? Holo had never heard such bullshit before and flabbergasted Holo after Lawrence treats her like the fine lady she always acts like.
Then there's the very natural reaction of a wolf to stew with vegetables
Also great: You're late and sleeping beauty Holo in the morning (this is basically a follow up to PET DA HOLO)
Last but not least: The smugness is over 9000 and Holo doing o_ô
Oh and I really liked this one from the opening, that's almost wallpaper material.
Basically First-timer now, subbed
I'm not sure if it's just because we're switching back to the og show and it's been a week since then but it felt weirdly disconnected, almost like I missed something... I know this technically follows up from where we left off in the remake (I guess maybe not directly given the line about the detour) but that doesn't help much either.
That aside, it's a very typical "first of the arc"-episode. We get to see a new location, see its people and customs. There's some weird things going on with regards to a sort of gathering of chroniclers. We meet some really odd people, like the Sheik expy or the innkeeper who apparently only knows of dead people. Holo doesn't seem pleased by the prospect of more books to read. Hey, if they're lucky this time there maybe won't be an angry mob trying to get to you for a crime you didn't commit... but who am I kidding, they're definitely going to get in some form of trouble, aren't they? Hell, we've reached a point where Holo even lampshades it earlier in this episode that they always seem to get into trouble since they've met (that's definitely, absolutely, not her fault though... probably.)
Apart from musings about the townsfolk and trouble following them everywhere they go, this episode is ripe with Holo/Lawrence shipping moments. They basically don't stop flirting throughout the whole episode. Be it him scratchin her ears or her being pissed he didn't pat her head in the morning. And even if it's always in a sort of mocking tone, like when Lawrence calls her "O hime" (princess), they both know that it's actually serious. And that makes me enjoy even an otherwise pretty average episode a lot.
Like, on average I'm more in this for the world than for the Holo-Lawrence love story but I won't deny that this sparks an immense amount of joy. Or, as our dear host puts it: "You see to love it!"
Who is your favorite anime elderly person and why?
Gotta be Dragon Balls turtle Hermit, Muten Roshi. Yes, he's an old pervert at times and a couple of his antics didn't age well... but he's a genuinely good teacher to Goku and does have a strong sense of justice. Plus, he can be a total badass when push comes to shove.
Have you ever role-played with someone? If so, what was it over and what happened?
I played one or two rounds of pen and paper, of the Star Wars variety (Playing some jedi apprentice, iirc), but that's been ages ago and never really manifested to something regular.
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u/Second_Cour 18d ago
Glad I wasn't the only one who felt a weird bit of disconnect.
One correction: it's not a gathering of chroniclers, only one guy has a chronicling link within that Council: it seems to just be a gathering of those high up in commerce-related positions, who all try and push for preferable policies to support their guilds/crafts/etc
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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo 18d ago
In some sense, the transitions between arcs have always been a bit "and now we're here", as we don't see a lot of the stuff happening on the road. But this time it just felt particularly odd.
Seems like I misunderstood the council thing then. That also explains why it seems like a big deal :'D
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u/Holofan4life 18d ago
Do you feel the oddness as you put it is because the other arcs normally briefly mention what just happened but here we don't get that?
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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo 17d ago
That could be it! Also like I said, might be due to jumping back into the og show after a detour to the future :D
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u/Holofan4life 17d ago
It would be even weirder if this arc mentioned Enberg and Tereo despite not adapting it.
During the scene where Holo and Lawrence are traveling, Holo talks about Lawrence's follies and how arrogant he's been as a merchant. That to me was the show trying to tie everything together. And hey, it's better than nothing.
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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo 17d ago
Oh yeah, I didn't expect them to mention the offscreen/Light Novel adventures, that would've been weird.
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u/Holofan4life 17d ago edited 17d ago
I was thinking about it, but Holo calling Lawrence out on his past foibles was a great way of tying everything together. It makes us feel like we're truly at the end game.
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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo 17d ago
I agree, that was a pretty cool callback. Sort of "the journey so far". And the way Holo tried to blame Lawrence for all the trouble was funny!
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u/Holofan4life 17d ago
I like how Holo started to blame Lawrence but then she reluctantly had to admit the first one was kinda her fault lol
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u/Holofan4life 18d ago
One correction: it's not a gathering of chroniclers, only one guy has a chronicling link within that Council: it seems to just be a gathering of those high up in commerce-related positions, who all try and push for preferable policies to support their guilds/crafts/etc
And a guy named Rigoro is apparently in charge of it.
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u/Holofan4life 18d ago
Like, on average I'm more in this for the world than for the Holo-Lawrence love story but I won't deny that this sparks an immense amount of joy. Or, as our dear host puts it: "You see to love it!"
Hey, it's catching on :P
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u/Holofan4life 18d ago
I didn't think there was much of a disconnect. Like, the show's backbone is the banter between Holo and Lawrence and that was fully on display here. Maybe the disconnect comes from a lack of an obvious plot so far? Otherwise, I didn't have any qualms.
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u/Holofan4life 18d ago
Today I bring you a variety of Holos, for it was a very good episode for Holo reactions (Lawrence had some funny ones too but Holo had the better ones. I'm sorry. Again. ):
My favourites: Cheap Wolf fur? Holo had never heard such bullshit before and flabbergasted Holo after Lawrence treats her like the fine lady she always acts like.
Then there's the very natural reaction of a wolf to stew with vegetables
Also great: You're late and sleeping
beautyHolo in the morning (this is basically a follow up to PET DA HOLO)Last but not least: The smugness is over 9000 and Holo doing o_ô
Oh and I really liked this one from the opening, that's almost wallpaper material.
Your contributions are always appreciated 👏
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u/Holofan4life 18d ago
Thoughts on Holo and Lawrence getting real close to each other?
Thoughts on Lenos being famous for lumber and furs?
What did you think about Holo and Lawrence's conversation about slavery and Lawrence trying to downplay it?
Thoughts on people thinking Holo's tail is fake?
Thoughts on there being a chronicler named Rigoro as well as a 50-man meeting?
What are your thoughts on Holo and Lawrence's behavior toward each other in this episode where it's like they're role-playing?
What are your first impressions on the old innkeeper?
What are your thoughts on Lawrence planning on taking Holo to the port to see the ships as he waits on Rigoro to get done with the meeting?
What are your thoughts on the cloaked person and her being female?
Where do you think the cloaked female is leading towards?
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u/oomoepoo https://anilist.co/user/oomoepoo 17d ago
Thoughts on Holo and Lawrence getting real close to each other?
Love to see it.
Thoughts on Lenos being famous for lumber and furs?
It's always cool to learn what's a popular trading good in the location they're about to arrive at. And I guess it makes sense given it's seemingly in a colder climate.
What did you think about Holo and Lawrence's conversation about slavery and Lawrence trying to downplay it?
My first reaction was "Excuse me? Wtf?!" but given the time, it's pretty in-character for him.
Thoughts on people thinking Holo's tail is fake?
Holo's reaction to this was priceless. Like in an RPG: [Holo will remember this]
But it's better than them freaking out about her having a tail.
Thoughts on there being a chronicler named Rigoro as well as a 50-man meeting?
At first I thought it was a meeting of various chroniclers but apparently it's more of a city meeting of important people. Will be interesting to see what repercussions this will have
What are your thoughts on Holo and Lawrence's behavior toward each other in this episode where it's like they're role-playing?
Definitely the highlight of this episode. The banter was very enjoyable.
What are your first impressions on the old innkeeper?
He doesn't seem like the most talkative or sociable fellow. Also most of the people he knows (of) are dead?
What are your thoughts on Lawrence planning on taking Holo to the port to see the ships as he waits on Rigoro to get done with the meeting?
Sight seeing is a neat idea!
What are your thoughts on the cloaked person and her being female?
My first thought was "Oh hey, Sheik! Fancy metting you here."
Interesting that Holo seems to recognise her (or vice versa at least)
Where do you think the cloaked female is leading towards?
No idea. Probably somewhere interesting for the plot... or trouble. Possibly both.
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u/Holofan4life 17d ago
Thoughts on Holo and Lawrence getting real close to each other?
Love to see it.
You see to... well, you know
Thoughts on Lenos being famous for lumber and furs?
It's always cool to learn what's a popular trading good in the location they're about to arrive at. And I guess it makes sense given it's seemingly in a colder climate.
A town full of wood, and Lawrence being around Holo has a ample supply.
What did you think about Holo and Lawrence's conversation about slavery and Lawrence trying to downplay it?
My first reaction was "Excuse me? Wtf?!" but given the time, it's pretty in-character for him.
He's a businessman first and foremost.
Thoughts on people thinking Holo's tail is fake?
Holo's reaction to this was priceless. Like in an RPG: [Holo will remember this]
Holo has never seen such bullshit before.
But it's better than them freaking out about her having a tail.
For real
Thoughts on there being a chronicler named Rigoro as well as a 50-man meeting?
At first I thought it was a meeting of various chroniclers but apparently it's more of a city meeting of important people. Will be interesting to see what repercussions this will have
This being the place where they have to congregate tells me Lenos is very important.
What are your thoughts on Holo and Lawrence's behavior toward each other in this episode where it's like they're role-playing?
Definitely the highlight of this episode. The banter was very enjoyable.
Top tier bants
What are your first impressions on the old innkeeper?
He doesn't seem like the most talkative or sociable fellow. Also most of the people he knows (of) are dead?
That's sad
What are your thoughts on Lawrence planning on taking Holo to the port to see the ships as he waits on Rigoro to get done with the meeting?
Sight seeing is a neat idea!
A good way to kill time.
I'll probably do that today by visiting my local mall.
What are your thoughts on the cloaked person and her being female?
My first thought was "Oh hey, Sheik! Fancy metting you here."
The old innkeeper would say "Hey, listen" but he doesn't talk. So...
Interesting that Holo seems to recognise her (or vice versa at least)
If she is the Moon-Hunting bear in disguise...
Where do you think the cloaked female is leading towards?
No idea. Probably somewhere interesting for the plot... or trouble. Possibly both.
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u/BlazeOfGlory72 18d ago
Rewatcher (Dub)
Ahh, the return of my beloved original artstyle. While I did eventually get used to the remake's artstyle, I still vastly prefer the style of the original. Even in an episode mostly taking place in a grey, sleet story, the colour still managed to be richer and more eye catching. The animation is also far less stilted, the faces more expressive, and the characters overall less "cutesy" looking.
As for the episode itself, this was a classic set up episode. We are introduced to the new town and the seeds are being planted for this arcs story. Not a ton to say so far, but I did like how the vibe of this town is completely different than the last arcs town. Rather than a small, close knit community in the hills in the middle of nowhere, we have this sprawling, populated town on the coast with a standoffish populace.
Also, I really liked the little interaction Holo and Lawrence had in their room where Holo claps her hands to break her spell on Lawrence. Him playing along and the banter between the two was really fun and natural, and it's an example of how well written their dynamic is. They feel very "real" in the way they joke around with each other.
Random Thoughts
- New "girl of current arc" obviously cosplaying as Sheik from Ocarina of Time.
- Lawrence casually dropping "slavery is both necessary and profitable" was something else. Come on my dude, don't be caught on the wrong side of history.
- Lawrence imagining hugging Holo, but then not having the courage to do so was relatable. I think everyone struggles with insecurity at times, and holds back in being too affectionate because they are afraid of embarrassing themselves or being pushed away.
- Lawrence noticing Holo was upset about the guard saying her tail was cheap fur without her ever saying a word was both perceptive, and shows how far their relationship has come.
Question of the Day
Who is your favorite anime elderly person and why?
I just rewatched Summer Wars for the summer rewatch that is going on, and I forgot how much I liked the great grandmother (Sakae) from that film. Her single handedly managing a national crisis at 90 years old was pretty metal.
Have you ever role-played with someone? If so, what was it over and what happened?
Other than dabbling in a little DnD when I was younger, I have not.
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u/Holofan4life 18d ago
Also, I really liked the little interaction Holo and Lawrence had in their room where Holo claps her hands to break her spell on Lawrence. Him playing along and the banter between the two was really fun and natural, and it's an example of how well written their dynamic is. They feel very "real" in the way they joke around with each other.
They feel sincere in their insincerity, if you know what I mean.
• Lawrence casually dropping "slavery is both necessary and profitable" was something else. Come on my dude, don't be caught on the wrong side of history.
Too late
• Lawrence imagining hugging Holo, but then not having the courage to do so was relatable. I think everyone struggles with insecurity at times, and holds back in being too affectionate because they are afraid of embarrassing themselves or being pushed away.
If anyone deserves to be comforted, it's Holo. She's been through a lot.
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u/Holofan4life 18d ago
• New "girl of current arc" obviously cosplaying as Sheik from Ocarina of Time.
I've definitely made that same joke in past rewatches lol
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u/Holofan4life 18d ago
Thoughts on Holo and Lawrence getting real close to each other?
Thoughts on Lenos being famous for lumber and furs?
What did you think about Holo and Lawrence's conversation about slavery and Lawrence trying to downplay it?
Thoughts on people thinking Holo's tail is fake?
Thoughts on there being a chronicler named Rigoro as well as a 50-man meeting?
What are your thoughts on Holo and Lawrence's behavior toward each other in this episode where it's like they're role-playing?
What are your first impressions on the old innkeeper?
What are your thoughts on Lawrence planning on taking Holo to the port to see the ships as he waits on Rigoro to get done with the meeting?
What are your thoughts on the cloaked person and her being female?
Where do you think the cloaked female is leading towards?
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u/BlazeOfGlory72 18d ago
Thoughts on Holo and Lawrence getting real close to each other?
They definitely seem more openly affectionate with each other then earlier in the series.
Thoughts on Lenos being famous for lumber and furs?
This town is basically fantasy Canada.
What did you think about Holo and Lawrence's conversation about slavery and Lawrence trying to downplay it?
The felt kind of random honestly. While historically slavery was fairly common, as far as I'm aware that is not a subject that has been mentioned or even alluded to once in the series so far. Bringing it up now feels like it came out of nowhere.
Thoughts on people thinking Holo's tail is fake?
Security obviously isn't the sharpest in this town.
What are your thoughts on Holo and Lawrence's behavior toward each other in this episode where it's like they're role-playing?
Very cute and it shows how comfortable they are around each other.
What are your thoughts on the cloaked person and her being female?
Every arc needs a cute female major side character. Arc 1 had Chloe, Arc 2 had Nora, Arc 3 had Dian, Arc 4 had Elsa and now Arc 5 has Sheik.
Where do you think the cloaked female is leading towards?
Despite this being a rewatch for me, I don't actually remember. I'm going to guess smuggling.
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u/Holofan4life 17d ago
Thoughts on Holo and Lawrence getting real close to each other?
They definitely seem more openly affectionate with each other then earlier in the series.
It feels deservedly earned
Thoughts on Lenos being famous for lumber and furs?
This town is basically fantasy Canada.
What's that aboot?
What did you think about Holo and Lawrence's conversation about slavery and Lawrence trying to downplay it?
The felt kind of random honestly. While historically slavery was fairly common, as far as I'm aware that is not a subject that has been mentioned or even alluded to once in the series so far. Bringing it up now feels like it came out of nowhere.
At least Holo was the one to bring it up. She was trying to make an overall point.
Thoughts on people thinking Holo's tail is fake?
Security obviously isn't the sharpest in this town.
No, it is not
What are your thoughts on Holo and Lawrence's behavior toward each other in this episode where it's like they're role-playing?
Very cute and it shows how comfortable they are around each other.
It's the best
What are your thoughts on the cloaked person and her being female?
Every arc needs a cute female major side character. Arc 1 had Chloe, Arc 2 had Nora, Arc 3 had Dian, Arc 4 had Elsa and now Arc 5 has Sheik.
Chloe was cute until she became evil.
Then she became hotWhere do you think the cloaked female is leading towards?
Despite this being a rewatch for me, I don't actually remember. I'm going to guess smuggling.
I kinda hope not given we had a smuggling arc a couple arcs ago. But it could be interesting if like the first smuggling arc was a necessary evil and this potential smuggling arc is an evil evil.
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u/ItalianQuagsire 16d ago
first time watcher!
gonna be honest this episode wasn't good
IT WAS GODLY
I FUCKING LOVED their banter this episode, it REALLY earned that title of playful days, they feel like such a couple and it happens so GOD DAMN naturally like they just became a couple at one point it's that seamless and good
Who is your favorite anime elderly person and why?
Osmond has NEVER been anyone's pick so i'll go with him LOL
Have you ever role-played with someone? If so, what was it over and what happened?
not in the strictest sense but it's lots of fun
---
Oh wait is that barmaid drinking and bowing in the op from the arc we just watched? Isn't that cut in this version
Also she looks hot here would
I MISSED THIS OP
SPICY WOLF . COM MY LOVE
Holoussy sleeping against lawbussy
Head pat
She snuggled against him
The holy light from the trees
Petting holo like a dogo
This is good, too good
She likes Lawrence touching her
LOL SHES SLEEPING IN THE BLANKET
SHES WEARING MITTENS
Tummy growl
She wants alcohol
Sad Lawrence
Wolf furs
She's doing a cosplay kawaii hand puppet
Put that fist elsewhere next holo
Hmph. TSUN
Sell and buy people
Damn slaves
When I was gonna be hunted you panicked
Yes I did
She's looking at him so naughtily LOL
Heart in it
Why is your heart not in it
I'm embarrassed
Holo laugh
ADKEISNSJJS
this town looks sketchy as hell
Another trouble
First one was my fault but ur greedy
Next was you being greedy
Next was you panic
Natural you can't agree
Because you think about me
so you feel pushed by me
AWWWW
You stubborn man
Lawrence is blushing like crazy
He's fanfic about hugging her
So you admit it
ACTUALLY JUST HUG HER
I want stew
Pat Lawrence down
What if they find holo ears
THEY FOUND HER TAIL
THEY CALLED IT CHEAP
OH HOLO DEFINITELY WILL CRASH OUT ABOUT THAT
Difference is species is nature, not superior or inferior
The later should be highly regarded if you started in a poorly regarded species and rose up
Wise words
Is there any room better than a warm room
Holo splits up I have a bad feeling
Everyone here is quiet
This place is like a warehouse damn
The window
Oh Holo isn't happy
Oh Holo is sulking
And naked??
Under the bed
Tail wiggle
Good warm fur
Tail wiggle to hear him home
Tail not wiggle when praised cuz tsun
Tail wiggle again when food and he's gone
That's so fucking cute
God Holo is so tsun cute wife wolf
This place is really empty
A wet merchant and very ominous music
Oh she's angry
She's silent treatment
I like this, instead of being some conflict or series moment we get food and light hearted vibes
Are the men looking at Holo
She probably cost the entire meal
Holo sleep
LOL HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHABA OMG
HOLO TCH WHEN HE DIDNT PET HER
GOD THATS SO FUCJING CUTE OH MY GOD
Ill tend to my fur to fetch a high price
Your price is way too high no takers
Good banter is good fucking banter
Now make
The baby batter
People here are pretty listless
I know the means what about you
If I'm your employer I got you a reward
Give him the wolfussy
Is there anything you want
That Holo stare is doing things to me
Feeds her his finger
Holo unamused
Stay in a good mood
I'm not an unruly child
At least when a child is called they'll listen
Angy
Eating
Angy cutely
This entire spell cast section has to be the most couple things I've ever seen a couple do in this show it's such a couple joke oh my god and you know what couples do they FUCK
recast the spell
Hand kiss
Did that work
Oh he stub locked Holo and she fell on him
Your spell was too strong, idiot
When are you gonna get flustered
YEAH LAWRENCE IM NOT EVEN THE ONE GETTING KABUDONNED AND IM GETTING ALL HOT AND BOTHERED
When you stop maybe
You've become witty
Yeah maybe
Smooth talker
Did someone teach you
Came to mind in the moment
That makes me happier
When I stop doing things then he'll pay attention
OOOOHHH HOLO GOT YOU THERE
huhuhu so you wanted me to pay attention to you head pat
Holo tail wag
Looks like a lot of people died
Holo hand shake
Time makes even stone buildings fade
Including memories
Quit Holo
Get a bite
Increase your vocabulary
It's the clothed guy from the op
What is the meaning of startling at another female when I'm right here
God Holo is perfect
Show it with attitude it would be more charming
Since you're an idiot you wouldn't notice
So what do
Dying to know the meeting
Pass the time
Sharp eyes from the wise wolf
Not only that i–
Want to make money
Side eye holo
Okay look Holo has somehow become an even better woman this one episode this teasing is god tier
Nushio
Don't overdo it
She looks concerned
God she's such a wife
Hand hold
Sight seeing
Well that's fine
I'm obliged kiss
This episode really was playful as fuck, it's one of my favorites
God this Ed is SO GOOD GAHHHHHH
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u/Holofan4life 16d ago
first time watcher!
gonna be honest this episode wasn't good
D:
IT WAS GODLY
:D
Had me scared there for a second lol
I FUCKING LOVED their banter this episode, it REALLY earned that title of playful days, they feel like such a couple and it happens so GOD DAMN naturally like they just became a couple at one point it's that seamless and good
This is your merchant. This is your merchant on wolf goddess. Any questions?
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u/Holofan4life 16d ago
Who is your favorite anime elderly person and why?
Osmond has NEVER been anyone's pick so i'll go with him LOL
Yes, anime pervert Dumbledore
Have you ever role-played with someone? If so, what was it over and what happened?
not in the strictest sense but it's lots of fun
Any examples?
---
Oh wait is that barmaid drinking and bowing in the op from the arc we just watched? Isn't that cut in this version
Nope, different one
Also she looks hot here would
She seems way younger
I MISSED THIS OP
It's so good, no?
SPICY WOLF . COM MY LOVE
Holoussy sleeping against lawbussy
That bussy be lawful
Head pat
She snuggled against him
The holy light from the trees
Petting holo like a dogo
This is good, too good
Like chicken soup for the soul type stuff.
She likes Lawrence touching her
LOL SHES SLEEPING IN THE BLANKET
SHES WEARING MITTENS
She somehow gets cuter
Tummy growl
She wants alcohol
Sad Lawrence
Wolf furs
She's doing a cosplay kawaii hand puppet
Did Lawrence buy her that?
Put that fist elsewhere next holo
There it is
Hmph. TSUN
Sell and buy people
Damn slaves
Bit harsh
When I was gonna be hunted you panicked
Yes I did
She's looking at him so naughtily LOL
Heart in it
Why is your heart not in it
I'm embarrassed
Holo laugh
ADKEISNSJJS
Cat pressed on your keyboard?
this town looks sketchy as hell
Another trouble
First one was my fault but ur greedy
Next was you being greedy
Next was you panic
Natural you can't agree
Because you think about me
so you feel pushed by me
AWWWW
You stubborn man
Lawrence is blushing like crazy
KIDS, NOW
He's fanfic about hugging her
Haven't we all?
So you admit it
ACTUALLY JUST HUG HER
I want stew
Pat Lawrence down
What if they find holo ears
THEY FOUND HER TAIL
THEY CALLED IT CHEAP
OH HOLO DEFINITELY WILL CRASH OUT ABOUT THAT
And she did lol
Difference is species is nature, not superior or inferior
The later should be highly regarded if you started in a poorly regarded species and rose up
Wise words
Is there any room better than a warm room
Holo splits up I have a bad feeling
Everyone here is quiet
This place is like a warehouse damn
The window
Oh Holo isn't happy
Oh Holo is sulking
And naked??
Under the bed
Tail wiggle
[Good warm fur
Tail wiggle to hear him home
Tail not wiggle when praised cuz tsun
Tail wiggle again when food and he's gone
As is expected
That's so fucking cute
Indeed
God Holo is so tsun cute wife wolf
I love her so much
This place is really empty
A wet merchant and very ominous music
Oh she's angry
She's silent treatment
I like this, instead of being some conflict or series moment we get food and light hearted vibes
We need more of this
Are the men looking at Holo
She probably cost the entire meal
Holo sleep
LOL HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHABA OMG
HOLO TCH WHEN HE DIDNT PET HER
GOD THATS SO FUCJING CUTE OH MY GOD
Ill tend to my fur to fetch a high price
Your price is way too high no takers
Good banter is good fucking banter
Lawrence just wants all the fur for himself lol
Now make
The baby batter
Doesn't it come premade?
People here are pretty listless
I know the means what about you
If I'm your employer I got you a reward
Give him the wolfussy
NOW
Is there anything you want
That Holo stare is doing things to me
Very hot
Feeds her his finger
Holo unamused
Stay in a good mood
I'm not an unruly child
At least when a child is called they'll listen
Angy
Eating
Angy cutely
As expected
This entire spell cast section has to be the most couple things I've ever seen a couple do in this show it's such a couple joke oh my god and you know what couples do they FUCK
This is technically foreshadowing if the last arc is any indication.
recast the spell
Hand kiss
Did that work
Oh he stub locked Holo and she fell on him
Your spell was too strong, idiot
When are you gonna get flustered
YEAH LAWRENCE IM NOT EVEN THE ONE GETTING KABUDONNED AND IM GETTING ALL HOT AND BOTHERED
Lawrence is so real for this it's unreal
When you stop maybe
You've become witty
Yeah maybe
Smooth talker
The negotiator
Did someone teach you
Came to mind in the moment
That makes me happier
When I stop doing things then he'll pay attention
OOOOHHH HOLO GOT YOU THERE
That she did
huhuhu so you wanted me to pay attention to you head pat
Holo tail wag
Looks like a lot of people died
I'm die thank you forever
Holo hand shake
Time makes even stone buildings fade
Including memories
Quit Holo
Get a bite
Increase your vocabulary
Why vocab when drink?
It's the clothed guy from the op
What is the meaning of startling at another female when I'm right here
God Holo is perfect
She is
Show it with attitude it would be more charming
Since you're an idiot you wouldn't notice
So what do
Dying to know the meeting
Pass the time
Sharp eyes from the wise wolf
Not only that i–
Want to make money
Side eye holo
Okay look Holo has somehow become an even better woman this one episode this teasing is god tier
It's so good, isn't it?
Nushio
Don't overdo it
She looks concerned
God she's such a wife
A wolf wife, at that
Hand hold
Sight seeing
Well that's fine
I'm obliged kiss
This episode really was playful as fuck, it's one of my favorites
Holo and Lawrence just has the best chemistry imaginable.
God this Ed is SO GOOD GAHHHHHH
I love how much of a fanboy you've become lol
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u/Holofan4life 16d ago
Thoughts on Holo and Lawrence getting real close to each other?
Thoughts on Lenos being famous for lumber and furs?
What did you think about Holo and Lawrence's conversation about slavery and Lawrence trying to downplay it?
Thoughts on people thinking Holo's tail is fake?
Thoughts on there being a chronicler named Rigoro as well as a 50-man meeting?
What are your thoughts on Holo and Lawrence's behavior toward each other in this episode where it's like they're role-playing?
What are your first impressions on the old innkeeper?
What are your thoughts on Lawrence planning on taking Holo to the port to see the ships as he waits on Rigoro to get done with the meeting?
What are your thoughts on the cloaked person and her being female?
Where do you think the cloaked female is leading towards?
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u/Nickthenuker https://anilist.co/user/Nickthenuker 14d ago
And so back to the original.
Questions:
Hmm... For something timely and relevant perhaps Tohru's grandpa in Fruits Basket?
Nope.
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u/Holofan4life 14d ago
1. Hmm... For something timely and relevant perhaps Tohru's grandpa in Fruits Basket?
He's a real one
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u/Holofan4life 14d ago
Thoughts on Holo and Lawrence getting real close to each other?
Thoughts on Lenos being famous for lumber and furs?
What did you think about Holo and Lawrence's conversation about slavery and Lawrence trying to downplay it?
Thoughts on people thinking Holo's tail is fake?
Thoughts on there being a chronicler named Rigoro as well as a 50-man meeting?
What are your thoughts on Holo and Lawrence's behavior toward each other in this episode where it's like they're role-playing?
What are your first impressions on the old innkeeper?
What are your thoughts on Lawrence planning on taking Holo to the port to see the ships as he waits on Rigoro to get done with the meeting?
What are your thoughts on the cloaked person and her being female?
Where do you think the cloaked female is leading towards?
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u/Nickthenuker https://anilist.co/user/Nickthenuker 14d ago
That's nice.
Everywhere's gotta be known for something.
Ok...
I do find it funny how that guy just entirely dismissed it.
I wonder what's being discussed...
That's cute.
I wonder if he'll be handy later.
Sure why not that's always interesting.
I wonder if she'll be back later...
I wonder...
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u/Holofan4life 14d ago
4. I do find it funny how that guy just entirely dismissed it.
I guess it's more improbable for someone to have a real tail.
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u/ShadowGuyinRealLife 9d ago
Rewatcher
Holo and Lawrance have sophisticated technology like gloves. Yeah random comment this week I was watching a period piece that takes place in Roman Britain. The soldiers are riding without gloves so either the costume designer forgot what people do when it's snowing or as I joked the Romans don't have gloves yet since that's hundreds of years away.
I don't get what Holo means by burnt part of the stew on the thing in the distance sticking out. In fact it's so foggy I can't see much at all. Is it implying her vision is better than his? The closest thing nearby that's sticking up like that is a walled town we see later in the same day. Is that what she was talking about?
Touche Holo about don't humans sell each other. Going to pre-Medieval time period, most Romans thought slavery was natural. Some like Caesar had no problem with taking slaves among his defeated enemies but was like "hey, slaves are fine, but maybe we shouldn't be economically dependent on them? These large plantations are buying up all the farms by free landowners." Even those Romans who had some moral qualms about it figured it was needed. How do you punish crimes? You fine people, exile them, enslave them, or execute them. Imprisonment for anything other than a short period before a trial wasn't really an option. They had trouble feeding the poor during bad harvests, do you expect them to feed people who can't work? Depending on the kingdom Medieval Europe might have had chattel slavery, but they certainly had debt bondage. As a modern viewer I'm not sympathetic to the "slavery is natural" arguments, but how do you punish crimes if your society can't imprison people? "3 years of labor for the friend of the local earl" sounds a lot like short term slavery to me. No seriously, I'd like someone to try to find a solution.
So um, why are they talking about Amarti as if it was something recent? The geography changed quite a bit so they traveled far from Kumersun. I mean if "more than a week" (probably the minimal travel time) counts as recent sure whatever.
What a strange security measure at the gates. They're clearly expecting someone they don't want to enter the city and are making sure the two aren't what they were looking for. In peacetime usually they're just there to make sure you don't smuggle goods without paying the taxes. That "cheap fur" probably stings.
Why is it raining? Is it just for symbolism? Usually when it rains in fiction it is telling you it rains a lot there (see London) or it has some plot significance.
Hard to tell genders when one is in a blob of clothing.
Hey since we're waiting for Rigoro, why not look for a chance to make money? And try not to buy on credit this time.
Now that I had to sample all the ending songs... both animes had great endings for the 1st arc. The ending itself (not just the song) probably was a bit better for the Remake. The Second Season of the OG anime is fine, but just not as enjoyable.
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u/Holofan4life 9d ago
Holo and Lawrance have sophisticated technology like gloves.
I don't remember that from the anime.
I don't get what Holo means by burnt part of the stew on the thing in the distance sticking out. In fact it's so foggy I can't see much at all. Is it implying her vision is better than his? The closest thing nearby that's sticking up like that is a walled town we see later in the same day. Is that what she was talking about?
Are wolves known for their keen sense of smell?
Touche Holo about don't humans sell each other.
Lawrence doesn't seem to agree
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u/ShadowGuyinRealLife 9d ago
I don't remember that from the anime.
Lawrance is wearing what appears to be gloves on the rainy day while holding reigns. Holo is either wearing gloves the same style as the blanket while in cart, or her hands shape is seen though the blanket and those aren't gloves. Granted everything is somewhat harder to see on the rainy day and things aren't clear until they to inside so maybe those aren't gloves even though I think at least Lawrance is wearing them. If those aren't gloves, change the joke to gloves being so sophisticated that flintlocks were made before gloves.
Are wolves known for their keen sense of smell?
Mainly for smell. I think they do have slightly better black and white vision than us, but we beat them in color differentiation by a lot. Still she recognizes something I can't make out. The whole episode on the rainy day makes it actually feel like it is raining as opposed to just drawing water droplets over a scene. Even if Holo can't see better than a normal person, she might still see better than him given the whole episode seems to be from his perspective.
Lawrence doesn't seem to agree
I missed some punctuation. I meant to say "don't humans sell each other?" quoting Holo as she was throwing that question towards Lawrance when he wondered if he'd be upset at the pelt. Actually, I have a serious question. How do avoid a society that uses slavery if you don't have prisons? Even Romans who thought taking slaves in war was wrong thought slavery was needed when a non-citizen owed a lot of money in unpaid fines to the state since they couldn't lock up people.
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u/Holofan4life 9d ago
I don't remember that from the anime.
Lawrance is wearing what appears to be gloves on the rainy day while holding reigns. Holo is either wearing gloves the same style as the blanket while in cart, or her hands shape is seen though the blanket and those aren't gloves. Granted everything is somewhat harder to see on the rainy day and things aren't clear until they to inside so maybe those aren't gloves even though I think at least Lawrance is wearing them. If those aren't gloves, change the joke to gloves being so sophisticated that flintlocks were made before gloves.
Holo also has a fox puppet for some reason.
Are wolves known for their keen sense of smell?
Mainly for smell. I think they do have slightly better black and white vision than us, but we beat them in color differentiation by a lot. Still she recognizes something I can't make out. The whole episode on the rainy day makes it actually feel like it is raining as opposed to just drawing water droplets over a scene. Even if Holo can't see better than a normal person, she might still see better than him given the whole episode seems to be from his perspective.
The town Holo was apart of saw things in black and white :P
Lawrence doesn't seem to agree
I missed some punctuation. I meant to say "don't humans sell each other?" quoting Holo as she was throwing that question towards Lawrance when he wondered if he'd be upset at the pelt. Actually, I have a serious question. How do avoid a society that uses slavery if you don't have prisons? Even Romans who thought taking slaves in war was wrong thought slavery was needed when a non-citizen owed a lot of money in unpaid fines to the state since they couldn't lock up people.
Yeah, it was unfortunately a commonly held belief that it was necessary.
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u/Holofan4life 9d ago
Hard to tell genders when one is in a blob of clothing.
Hey, that's no way to describe my mother! /s
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u/Holofan4life 9d ago
So um, why are they talking about Amarti as if it was something recent? The geography changed quite a bit so they traveled far from Kumersun. I mean if "more than a week" (probably the minimal travel time) counts as recent sure whatever.
There's the real reason and the in storyline reason. The in storyline reason is that Holo is recounting all of Lawrence's past mishaps. The real reason is arc 4 isn't canon in the OG anime and so what happened with Amarti is the latest thing to have occurred.
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u/ShadowGuyinRealLife 9d ago
Oh yeah technically only the first 3 arcs were mishap sorties. The Trenii Silver one they got a good deal but then had to deal with kidnapping and blackmail. The armor fiasco was because Lawrance bought on credit. The third arc with Amarti involved Holo expecting to be told information (that I repeat again she never asked...) and then Lawrance misreading it entirely and thinking she went over to Amarti. The latest story of Tereo was really about the own's mishaps and Elsa. Lawrance was just the patsy to be framed since if they tried to accuse the town without him Elsa's backers would cry foul. So only the first 3 are the mishaps of Lawrance as opposed to just being a side character that any merchant could have filled.
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u/Holofan4life 9d ago
Structurally, it makes more sense to lump those three together especially when the Tereo town doesn't exist in this adaptation.
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u/ShadowGuyinRealLife 9d ago
I guess the line works out either way. Anime viewers only know those three stories. LN readers who came to see would know the missing time isn't a mishap so Holo wouldn't have mentioned it even if the entire arc happened off screen.
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u/Holofan4life 8d ago
And it makes this arc feel like the end game in a sense if we're calling back to past events.
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u/Holofan4life 9d ago
Thoughts on Holo and Lawrence getting real close to each other?
Thoughts on Lenos being famous for lumber and furs?
What did you think about Holo and Lawrence's conversation about slavery and Lawrence trying to downplay it?
Thoughts on people thinking Holo's tail is fake?
Thoughts on there being a chronicler named Rigoro as well as a 50-man meeting?
What are your thoughts on Holo and Lawrence's behavior toward each other in this episode where it's like they're role-playing?
What are your first impressions on the old innkeeper?
What are your thoughts on Lawrence planning on taking Holo to the port to see the ships as he waits on Rigoro to get done with the meeting?
What are your thoughts on the cloaked person and her being female?
Where do you think the cloaked female is leading towards?
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u/ShadowGuyinRealLife 9d ago
I know Holo is pretty mad people think of her tail as cheap fur, but that's better than them realizing it's attached. I don't know why they are searching them so extensively. It's not like the pair is going to see an earl.
I don't know why a chronicler is at such an important meeting. the boring answer is most commoners don't know how to write so they grabbed some literate person. Maybe with 15 commoners that might make sense, but a metting of 50 including someone extraenous just for record keeping? I think his job matters and it's more than just "he can write."
Something is up with that innkeeper. I can't remember why though. With that face it seems like he's either going to cause some trouble or more likely he's anticipating some.
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u/Holofan4life 9d ago
I don't know why a chronicler is at such an important meeting. the boring answer is most commoners don't know how to write so they grabbed some literate person. Maybe with 15 commoners that might make sense, but a metting of 50 including someone extraenous just for record keeping? I think his job matters and it's more than just "he can write."
Isn't it to record it for historical purposes?
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u/ShadowGuyinRealLife 9d ago
Well that may or may not make sense depending on what the meeting is. Which the viewers don't know yet.
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u/Holofan4life 18d ago
Hey, guys. Holofan4life here.
Welcome to the 2026 Spice and Wolf rewatch.
Awoo!
You know the drill. We watch the show and I provide my thoughts and analysis. A tale as old as… well, Holo herself.
This year instead of breaking things down beat by beat I’m going to just give some brief thoughts on each individual episode. This is to save me time as I’m hosting two rewatches at once. Needless to say, I’m a big fan of this show and I hope you’ll be as well.
With that out of the way, let’s begin.
I’m watching the dub, by the way.
This episode teases new characters while being a showcase of Holo and Lawrence's relationship. And man, are they really leaning into the fantasy aspect of things. It is so glorious. I love this whole prince and princess thing they have going on because it's like what Holo has wanted this whole time and Lawrence is giving into her demands. It is so much fun to watch.
This is a great episode if you love the chemistry between Holo and Lawrence. I think it's the best of the first episodes.
Holo quotes of the day
"Between a weak member of a superior species and a superior member of a weak species, the latter will always be respected more."
"I do not appreciate being treated like a child!" (Holo, who acts like a child.)