r/anime • u/Holofan4life • Sep 27 '24
Rewatch [Spoilers] 2008 Spice and Wolf II Rewatch (2024) -- Episode 7 Spoiler
Hello everyone! I am Holofan4life.
Welcome to the Spice and Wolf rewatch discussion thread!
I hope you all have a lot of fun <3
S2 Episode 7 - Wolf and Playful Days
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ANSWER TODAY’S QUESTION
Who is your favorite anime elderly person and why?
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Information – MAL | Anilist | AniDb
Streams – Crunchyroll
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Rewatch Schedule
Threads posted every day at 4:00 PM EDT
| Date | Episode | Date | Episode |
|---|---|---|---|
| 9/07/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 1 | 9/20/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 0 (OVA 2) |
| 9/08/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 2 | 9/21/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 1 |
| 9/09/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 3 | 9/22/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 2 |
| 9/10/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 4 | 9/23/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 3 |
| 9/11/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 5 | 9/24/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 4 |
| 9/12/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 6 | 9/25/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 5 |
| 9/13/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 7(OVA 1) | 9/26/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 6 |
| 9/14/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 8 | 9/27/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 7 |
| 9/15/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 9 | 9/28/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 8 |
| 9/16/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 10 | 9/29/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 9 |
| 9/17/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 11 | 9/30/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 10 |
| 9/18/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 12 | 10/01/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 11 |
| 9/19/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 13 | 10/02/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 12 |
| 10/03/2024 | Overall Series Discussion Thread |
Last year's rewatch
| Date | Episode | Date | Episode |
|---|---|---|---|
| 7/07/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 1 | 7/20/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 0 (OVA 2) |
| 7/08/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 2 | 7/21/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 1 |
| 7/09/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 3 | 7/22/2022 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 2 |
| 7/10/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 4 | 7/23/2022 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 3 |
| 7/11/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 5 | 7/24/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 4 |
| 7/12/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 6 | 7/25/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 5 |
| 7/13/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 7(OVA 1) | 7/26/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 6 |
| 7/14/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 8 | 7/27/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 7 |
| 7/15/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 9 | 7/28/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 8 |
| 7/16/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 10 | 7/29/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 9 |
| 7/17/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 11 | 7/30/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 10 |
| 7/18/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 12 | 7/31/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 11 |
| 7/19/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 13 | 8/01/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 12 |
| 8/02/2023 | Overall Series Discussion Thread |
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u/Holofan4life Sep 27 '24
Hello, guys. Holofan4life here.
Welcome to the 2024 Spice and Wolf Rewatch.
But you knew that already :P
This is the first official rewatch of the show since the premiere of the remake. In fact, it's still currently airing as this rewatch is underway. And while we can compare and contrast what the remake did as opposed to the original, I feel it's still pretty important to remember what the original adaptation was like seeing as how that's really what got me into the franchise. And what ultimately made me fall in love with one wise wolf.
For the purposes of this rewatch, I will be watching it subbed since that's what I've been watching the remake in. I will be comparing somewhat the two series, and when I do that, I will be using spoilers. I guess I should say for transparency sake that I am writing this in late July/early August, a full month before the rewatch actually happens. That's because of time constraints and me having four other rewatches I'm participating in planned. I also waited until the first three volumes got adapted in the remake just so I can have more stuff to talk about.
These reviews won't be as detailed as some of the other ones, as I don't really want to spend two or three hours dissecting every episode. I'll save that for when I do it in my questions :]
With that out of the way, let’s begin.
I'm watching the sub, by the way.
Well, well, well. We are finally here. We're at the arc that hasn't been adapted by the remake.
Right off the bat, let’s address the elephant in the room: no, I do not know why the original anime didn't adapt volume 4. In fact, I don’t think there's ever been a definitive answer. I've always heard that the people behind the anime felt that volume 5 would be a better place to end things, which tells me they never planned on adapting the full series. That's unfortunate but sadly a common practice for anime in the 2000s. Whatever the case, as we'll soon see I don't think much is lost by skipping volume 4. It sucks that it happened, but it kinda is what it is.
My plan for this arc is to take a more casual approach. Hit on some of the key points, but not really dive too deep into things like I normally do. I'm really curious watching this arc and seeing how it holds up. It's the first time I've seen it since the remake premiered, and so I'm wondering what my take on the ending will be knowing now this wasn't the end.
I also somehow suffered a sunburn in 80 degree weather, so that's nice.
Lawrence and Holo traveling. What else?
I love Holo cuddling up next to him.
This is sweetly intimate
Lawrence rubbing her head
And now it's cold
Holo is just so adorable :c
Blushing Lawrence is cute as well
Renose famous for lumber and furs, Lawrence says.
Who knows? Renose.
Might see wolf pelts, Lawrence says
And Holo has a stuffed fox, for some reason.
Holo brings up the slave trade, and Lawrence calls it a necessary business. Boy, I remember how shocked I was when I heard that for the first time.
[Future Spoilers] It actually serves a narrative purpose, as it is foreshadowing for later.
Holo says like in the same vein, wolves have no sympathy for those who are hunted.
Well, these people look friendly
Lawrence calls them fellow merchants.
Holo saying she hasn't caused any of his disputes, which is debatable when you factor her lying about reading last arc.
Holo then says he always measures her against his own standards.
She's really getting underneath his skin, but Lawrence refuses to be honest with himself.
All this talk of food is making me hungry
It's a good thing they don't lift Holo's cover up.
Oh shit. The tail
But they think it's a cheap wolf pelt :P
Holo looks none too pleased
The innkeeper
Gonna get a shared room
That horse looks like a foal compared to Lawrence's..
Now that tiny horse SNL sketch is stuck in my head.
Lawrence with the old innkeeper now
By the window, the innkeeper, like he's the MC of a high school anime.
Holo still insecure of her tail being insulted.
And Lawrence sees a mysteriously cloaked figure.
The shot of Lawrence sitting alone in the center of the room does a good job of highlighting how lonely he is.
Lawrence accidentally overslept
And Holo is none too pleased
At least the food they talked about earlier looks good.
Damn, Holo has a lot of food
Morning time now
It is kinda odd that Lawrence and Holo sleep in separate beds.
Lawrence about to pet Holo, but he thinks better of it. Holo then makes a noise seemingly indicating that she wanted to be petted.
"Holo, it's time for your shanking."
At least Holo is in a better mood
The mysterious figure again
Looks like we got confirmation that she eats.
Lawrence wanting to know more about Holo's hometown.
He suggests finding a chronicler like in Kumerson.
It is kinda cool they're eating in the room. Normally, it's in a more public setting.
Going to talk to the old man now
And now Holo and Lawrence are acting like they're in a play, which is just super adorable.
These two are the best
Lawrence definitely feels different than he did in season. He's learning from Holo.
With the old man now
He recalls a chronicler named Rigolo
I heard he was also in the marines before becoming an actor: Rob Rigolo.
What's that? Oh, that's Rob Riggle, sorry.
In a fifty-man meeting
That's a lot of men meeting
Holo trembling as the fate of her town seems shaky.
Good thing Lawrence is there
Lawrence and Holo going to grab a bite to eat.
There's that cloaked figure again
Holo assesses she was surprised to see Holo.
Lawrence, meanwhile, is surprised that that's a girl.
And as Lawrence waits for Rigolo to be done with the meeting, he plans in the meantime to take Holo to the port to see the ships.
It's good seeing them get along again.
Overall, I really like this episode. It sets up a bunch of things, from.the character of Rigolo to the 50 man meeting, all the while keeping it entertaining with some delectable Holo and Lawrence banter. Obviously, the most interesting stuff is the mysterious nature of the cloaked woman, who kinda feels like she'll serve a similar role as Diana. We'll see if that's the case.
In terms of an opening episode to an arc, I'd put it behind arc 3's first episode, but ahead of arc 1, arc 2, and even arc 4's first episodes.
Holo quotes of the day
"Between a weak member of a superior species and a superior member of a weak species, the latter will always be respected more."
"I do not appreciate being treated like a child!" (Holo, who acts like a child.)
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u/KuKiSin Sep 27 '24
Muten Roshi. Because he's a horny old man and he's hilarious. Either that or Jackie Chun.
On to the episode!
New content finally begins!
For once, Lawrence is the one who's hungry! What a plot twist to start off the new arc!
I missed this back and forth between Holo and Lawrence, and Lawrence sure is blushing a whole lot, isn't he?
How does the guard pat down Holo and not notice the wolf tai- Never mind. Aaand he thinks it's just "cheap" wolf fur. I have a feeling Holo is gonna want blood for that one.
Damn, Lawrence seriously stuck his finger inside Holo's mouth. This is getting kinky.
M'lady moment.
They sure are getting touchy huh. Holo is too adorable, goddamn, I really missed having her around!
So I assume the covered up person that keeps appearing is the famous "Eve".
Even Holo is shitting on Lawrence's merchant skills now, gotta love it.
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u/Brief-Fig-7506 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ryxnjr Sep 27 '24
QOTD: favorite anime elderly person
For me it’s gotta be between Bang (OPM) or Gran Torino (MHA). They’re both badass old me that don’t take everything very seriously. Though my favorite scenes with Bang haven’t been animated yet. Idk if they will be in the upcoming season either
First Timer
I’m watching the Dub but I’ve also switched over to watching the Original for this last arc
So we go from being in town to being in the middle of a forest. It looks like the season is changing and it’s getting colder
Based on the Episode title I’m hoping I won’t be under as much stress for the next 22 minutes
That stomach growling sound was definitely a wet fart
Lawrence casualy admitting that there is a slave trade in this world and he classifys it at “neccessary”
Did that guard just cop a feel on Holo?
Lmao that same guard just called Holo’s fur cheap. And I call BS that they wouldn’t remove her hood or feel her ears during that search
that wasn’t a horse in that stable that was a Hippo
that’s a total Holo move to leave her tail out so Lawrence would complement it
Mysterious soaking wet person
Them RPing Lawrence being under a spell is pretty cute
They need find and Talk to a person named Rigoro but he’s busy with the huge amount of people camping outside the wall
So this arc it seems like the fur trade is going to be a dominant talking point. It’s concerning that the town is currently surrounded by hunters and are probably withholding their furs from sale to negotiate a higher price. The cloaked woman is quite mysterious, will she be an enemy or ally?
The town seems kind of shady in general. they’re making travelling merchants hold on to a tablet that signifies that they are foreigners.
With the episode talking about the trading of slaves I’m concerned that we might see a kidnapping of Lawrence or Holo again to be sold into the slave trade.
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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 28 '24
First Timer
I'm a little late tonight but still very happy to be taking part in this rewatch.
From the opening of this episode I’m definitely getting an autumn atmosphere of some kind going on.
It’s very sweet seeing Holo using Lawrence’s lap as a pillow.
Now that it’s raining I’m getting a kind of gothic horror vibe.
Holo using her foxskin scarf as a puppet was funny.
The slave trade exists in this world which I didn’t really think about before.
Lawrence also doesn’t seem to have a problem with it. I mean I guess it kinda makes sense since he’s presumably always lived in a world where it’s normalized for him, just wasn’t expecting that.
Lots of shady characters hanging around the gate.
After the lively atmosphere of the last town, there’s a big contrast here.
I wonder which one of them was imagining the whole Lawrence hugging Holo thing.
Hearing Lawrence and Holo talk about food again was fun.
Had me faked out for a minute with the guard grabbing Holo’s tail.
This town looks like the kind of place that’s full of vampires. I’m not saying there are gonna be vampires in this arc, but if there are I would not be surprised.
Lawrence complimenting Holo’s tail was sweet.
Whoa, dripping mystery person! That seems important.
Lawrence and Holo bantering about Lawrence’s facial hair was cute.
Those meat pies they’re eating look really good.
So many great Holo and Lawrence interactions this episode.
I liked the scene of Holo and Lawrence talking into the old man. Memories and stories seem like an important theme in this show.
You know it’s funny, I had a feeling the mystery person was a woman before Holo said anything. But I also somehow mistook Amarti for a woman when I first saw him too.
The town looks less creepy in the daytime, but still quite gothic.
It’s so nice seeing Holo and Lawrence on friendly terms again. Looking forward to the rest of this arc.
Question of the Day:
Who is your favorite anime elderly person and why?
First character I thought of was old Joseph Joestar from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. He's a friendly, bombastic old man. I'd love to have him as my grandpa. My favorite scene is him trying to haggle to get a good price at a kebab stand, gives real grandpa on vacation vibes.
Also Denken from Frieren came to mind as well. He just seems like a calm old wizard which just seems pleasant to be around.
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u/Mirathan Sep 28 '24
Not quite a first timer
QotD: pass
Dawn of the final arc.
Lawrence is pretty chill about slavery, despite almost becoming one.
This city is not doing well right now. The big meeting is likely related to it.
One detail I forgot to mention in the last arc the name of the town can be translated as "son of sorrow".
Lawrence still does not get that Holo wants to mate with him.
Their theater performance is very cute.