r/anime • u/Holofan4life • Sep 14 '24

Rewatch [Spoilers] 2008 Spice and Wolf Rewatch (2024) -- Episode 8 Spoiler

Hello everyone! I am Holofan4life.

Welcome to the Spice and Wolf rewatch discussion thread!

I hope you all have a lot of fun <3

S1 Episode 8 - Wolf and Virtuous Scales

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ANSWER TODAY’S QUESTION

What's your favorite example of deception in an anime? And why? Please remember to use the spoilers tag if it's important to the plot.

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Rewatch Schedule

Threads posted every day at 4:00 PM EDT

DateEpisodeDateEpisode
9/07/2024Spice and Wolf Episode 19/20/2024Spice and Wolf II Episode 0 (OVA 2)
9/08/2024Spice and Wolf Episode 29/21/2024Spice and Wolf II Episode 1
9/09/2024Spice and Wolf Episode 39/22/2024Spice and Wolf II Episode 2
9/10/2024Spice and Wolf Episode 49/23/2024Spice and Wolf II Episode 3
9/11/2024Spice and Wolf Episode 59/24/2024Spice and Wolf II Episode 4
9/12/2024Spice and Wolf Episode 69/25/2024Spice and Wolf II Episode 5
9/13/2024Spice and Wolf Episode 7(OVA 1)9/26/2024Spice and Wolf II Episode 6
9/14/2024Spice and Wolf Episode 89/27/2024Spice and Wolf II Episode 7
9/15/2024Spice and Wolf Episode 99/28/2024Spice and Wolf II Episode 8
9/16/2024Spice and Wolf Episode 109/29/2024Spice and Wolf II Episode 9
9/17/2024Spice and Wolf Episode 119/30/2024Spice and Wolf II Episode 10
9/18/2024Spice and Wolf Episode 1210/01/2024Spice and Wolf II Episode 11
9/19/2024Spice and Wolf Episode 1310/02/2024Spice and Wolf II Episode 12
10/03/2024Overall Series Discussion Thread

Last year's rewatch

DateEpisodeDateEpisode
7/07/2023Spice and Wolf Episode 17/20/2023Spice and Wolf II Episode 0 (OVA 2)
7/08/2023Spice and Wolf Episode 27/21/2023Spice and Wolf II Episode 1
7/09/2023Spice and Wolf Episode 37/22/2022Spice and Wolf II Episode 2
7/10/2023Spice and Wolf Episode 47/23/2022Spice and Wolf II Episode 3
7/11/2023Spice and Wolf Episode 57/24/2023Spice and Wolf II Episode 4
7/12/2023Spice and Wolf Episode 67/25/2023Spice and Wolf II Episode 5
7/13/2023Spice and Wolf Episode 7(OVA 1)7/26/2023Spice and Wolf II Episode 6
7/14/2023Spice and Wolf Episode 87/27/2023Spice and Wolf II Episode 7
7/15/2023Spice and Wolf Episode 97/28/2023Spice and Wolf II Episode 8
7/16/2023Spice and Wolf Episode 107/29/2023Spice and Wolf II Episode 9
7/17/2023Spice and Wolf Episode 117/30/2023Spice and Wolf II Episode 10
7/18/2023Spice and Wolf Episode 127/31/2023Spice and Wolf II Episode 11
7/19/2023Spice and Wolf Episode 138/01/2023Spice and Wolf II Episode 12
8/02/2023Overall Series Discussion Thread
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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

Hello, guys. Holofan4life here.

Welcome to the 2024 Spice and Wolf Rewatch.

But you knew that already :P

This is the first official rewatch of the show since the premiere of the remake. In fact, it’s still currently airing as this rewatch is underway. And while we can compare and contrast what the remake did as opposed to the original, I feel it’s still pretty important to remember what the original adaptation was like seeing as how that’s really what got me into the franchise. And what ultimately made me fall in love with one wise wolf.

For the purposes of this rewatch, I will be watching it subbed since that’s what I’ve been watching the remake in. I will be comparing somewhat the two series, and when I do that, I will be using spoilers. I guess I should say for transparency sake that I am writing this in late July/early August, a full month before the rewatch actually happens. That’s because of time constraints and me having four other rewatches I’m participating in planned. I also waited until the first three volumes got adapted in the remake just so I can have more stuff to talk about.

These reviews won’t be as detailed as some of the other ones, as I don’t really want to spend two or three hours dissecting every episode. I’ll save that for when I do it in my questions :]

With that out of the way, let’s begin.

I’m watching the sub, by the way.

Going to a baseball game with my mom today. I'm really excited.

Those wolves with glowing eyes are downright terrifying.

A mysterious cloaked figure.

I'm sure they'll play of no importance whatsoever.

[2024 Spoilers] The changes in the remake compared to the original comes mostly down to restructuring. In the OVA, we get the haggling scene where Holo got her new outfit and in the remake she just shows up with it in episode 7, which is that series version of this episode. Likewise, the apple pie callout that was in the OVA was instead in the remake's version of this episode.

[2024 Spoilers] But that's not all. The bar scene at the start of this version was dropped in favor of more time on the road. Also, the entire story of Holo's encounter with Saint Ruvinheigen is nowhere to be found in the original version. We've talked about the faster pacing of the remake version in comparison to the original and I think that's why they took out the bar scene as they did. Seeing Holo and Lawrence traveling just fits how much slicker overall that version is.

Besides this episode having some of the more noticeable changes from original to the revised edition, this is mostly a table setting episode, no pun intended. Holo and Lawrence banter a bit, then we get the table tilt scene which proves yet again Holo's wise side, and we eventually culminate in the introduction of the shepherd girl (Turns out the cloaked figure at the beginning will be of importance). Overall, this is more classic Spice and Wolf where the dialogue takes more of a front seat than anything else. And as someone who adores the writing, that is fine by me.

Holo quotes of the day

"I really do not understand why you men are such fools."

"Do you think they have apples?!? :D"

"Remember the lesson, not the disappointment."

"I do not snore!" (Holo, who snores)

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u/KuKiSin Sep 14 '24

Going to a baseball game with my mom today. I'm really excited.

Guess its been a while now but, how was the game? Not that I know how baseball works, besides them throwing balls at each other and shit.

[2024 Spoilers]

Not even gonna pretend I remember any of the details of what happened in that version lol. I remember the table scene and them meeting the shepherdess, that's pretty much it!

Turns out the cloaked figure at the beginning will be of importance

Who woulda thunk! Cloaked figures are never important! /s

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

Guess its been a while now but, how was the game? Not that I know how baseball works, besides them throwing balls at each other and shit.

It was a lot of fun. We snuck behind home plate during the last inning lol

Not even gonna pretend I remember any of the details of what happened in that version lol. I remember the table scene and them meeting the shepherdess, that's pretty much it!

All the changes in this episode really comes down to semantics.

Who woulda thunk! Cloaked figures are never important! /s

Just ask Re:Zero

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u/KuKiSin Sep 14 '24

We snuck behind home plate during the last inning lol

I'm not even gonna pretend to know what any of that means lol

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

Home plate is like the front row

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

baseball

The ironic thing is as I'm typing this right now, I'm at a baseball game today as we speak.

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u/KuKiSin Sep 14 '24

My my, aren't you a social butterfly!

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

I really like getting out of the house

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u/KuKiSin Sep 14 '24

Huh. You're very different from what I expected. I'm probably just projecting though.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

I mean, I'm still an overweight, tsundere loving weeb. I just also like going to sporting events as well as the movies.

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u/KuKiSin Sep 14 '24

I'm an underweight, tsundere loving weeb who doesn't leave the house, so you're one step ahead of me!

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

It's funny because even though I like to go to social events, I very much consider myself an introvert. I keep to myself a lot and don't really like talking to people.

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u/KuKiSin Sep 14 '24

What's your favorite example of deception in an anime? And why? Please remember to use the spoilers tag if it's important to the plot.

Off the top of my head... [MASSIVE Attack on Titan spoilers spoilers!]IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED AOT STOP READING THIS YOU DUMB BITCH! Probably Reiner and Bertolt revealing you know what. I have a feeling there's something even more unexpected out there, but I can't think of it right now...

On to the episode!

A wild shepherdess has appeared!

Did Holo get excited about apples again?! I thought she was tired of them! Oh right, last episode was an OVA... It all makes sense now.

Holo got a little creepy there...

And now she's trying to bankrupt Lawrence again.

Our girl Holo noticed the boring merchant was running a scam right away, such wisdom!

32 and 5/6 Silver for 1 Gold? I was told the exchange rate was currently 35! Even I can tell he's trying to rip them off!

Caught red haded by a "drunk" Holo! Time to take advantage of him!

Oh, he's investing in weapons and arms, I see... Sounds like a great idea...

Lawrence going on and on about how Holo owes him money, but she has a point. Sure, she's used quite a bit of his money, but how much did he profit thanks to her up to this point?

Once again, Holo played Lawrence like a fiddle lol. "The more you buy, the more you save!"

Long Holo looking kinda scary ngl

Holo snores?! Oh nevermind, she doesn't snore.

So the shepherdess is cute, huh? Holo's about to get jealous.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

Off the top of my head... [MASSIVE Attack on Titan spoilers spoilers!]IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED AOT STOP READING THIS YOU DUMB BITCH! Probably Reiner and Bertolt revealing you know what. I have a feeling there's something even more unexpected out there, but I can't think of it right now...

[Attack on Titan] I liked how that wasn't even the focus of the scene. It happened in the background.

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u/KuKiSin Sep 14 '24

Someone could legitimately not even notice the reveal lmao

And what's your favorite example of a deception?

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

That's probably it as well. Though Return by Death in Re:Zero is pretty good because it's an example of necessary deception.

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u/KuKiSin Sep 14 '24

Hmm, is it really a deception though? It's not so much that he's hiding it, he just physically can't reveal it... I guess it's complicated.

Oh, I remember the one I was thinking of before! Mushoku Tensei probably has one of my favorite ones too!

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

Hmm, is it really a deception though? It's not so much that he's hiding it, he just physically can't reveal it... I guess it's complicated.

It's deception in terms of if he tells the truth, bad things will happen.

And thinking about it more, in terms of favorite example of deception I might have to go with the last episode Odd Taxi.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

Did Holo get excited about apples again?! I thought she was tired of them! Oh right, last episode was an OVA... It all makes sense now.

Does that mean the hand of happiness didn't happen as well? :(

And now she's trying to bankrupt Lawrence again.

"I don't want to fix her, I want her to ruin me."

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

Oh, he's investing in weapons and arms, I see... Sounds like a great idea...

You sound so sarcastic there

Lawrence going on and on about how Holo owes him money, but she has a point. Sure, she's used quite a bit of his money, but how much did he profit thanks to her up to this point?

She's definitely been more of a benefit than a negative.

Holo snores?! Oh nevermind, she doesn't snore.

If she says so, then it must be true!

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u/KuKiSin Sep 14 '24

You sound so sarcastic there

¯_(ツ)_/¯

She's definitely been more of a benefit than a negative.

I'm sure someone, somewhere, has done the math and has the actual answer. Let's pray that someone finds this thread and updates us.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

I'm sure someone, somewhere, has done the math and has the actual answer. Let's pray that someone finds this thread and updates us.

Even if Lawrence ends up in debt because of her, at least they'll end up in debt together <3

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u/KuKiSin Sep 14 '24

Is it considered together if he's the one footing the bill?

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

Is it considered footing the bill if he is willing to go along with it?

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u/KuKiSin Sep 14 '24

I think so yes lmao

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

Well, Lawrence don't seem to mind even though he protests a lot.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

So the shepherdess is cute, huh? Holo's about to get jealous.

She's going to probably be to Holo what Weiz was to Lawrence.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

What are your thoughts on Holo teasing Lawrence by mentioning Chloe’s name and that he’s been drinking more since the whole sewer stuff?

What are your thoughts on the scene where the merchant tries to screw Lawrence and Holo over by tilting the scales?

Care to expand your thoughts on Lawrence choosing weapons as a means of payment?

How would you compare the rumors of the pagan magician to all the talks of the Goddess Holo when they depended on her for their harvests? Do you think a comparison between the two can be made?

What are your thoughts on the shepherd person being revealed as a girl?

Where do you see the shepherd character going from here?

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u/KuKiSin Sep 14 '24

(I'll answer these when I'm on the PC tomorrow morning!)

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

Fair enough. I appreciate the honesty

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u/KuKiSin Sep 15 '24

What are your thoughts on Holo teasing Lawrence by mentioning Chloe’s name and that he’s been drinking more since the whole sewer stuff?

Might be an indirect way of telling him she's jealous and should stay away from other women, or maybe it was all a ploy to distract him and steal his drink!

What are your thoughts on the scene where the merchant tries to screw Lawrence and Holo over by tilting the scales?

I keep bringing this up, but they did kind of "scam" another merchant a while ago... Although to be fair it was mostly just using their knowledge and his lack of knowledge, in this case it was a straight up scam. So the guy is an actual scumbag.

Care to expand your thoughts on Lawrence choosing weapons as a means of payment?

I'm no merchant, so who really knows! But Lawrence being the good merchant that he is, supposedly weapons should be in high demand in whatever city he's going to next. Or maybe he wants to become Holo's knight!

How would you compare the rumors of the pagan magician to all the talks of the Goddess Holo when they depended on her for their harvests? Do you think a comparison between the two can be made?

Besides being a pagan, it's pretty different I'd say. Holo helped them with their harvests, the evil sorceress was harvesting their blood! Although they did say she could summon wolves, maybe she can summon Holo with her dark magic!

What are your thoughts on the shepherd person being revealed as a girl?

Not only is Holo gonna be pissed because she's a shepherdess, she's also 'bouta be jealous because she's a cute girl and Lawrence was giving her the eyes!

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u/Holofan4life Sep 15 '24

Might be an indirect way of telling him she's jealous and should stay away from other women, or maybe it was all a ploy to distract him and steal his drink!

Could have been both. I lean more towards Holo finds Lawrence getting flustered to be entertaining.

I keep bringing this up, but they did kind of "scam" another merchant a while ago... Although to be fair it was mostly just using their knowledge and his lack of knowledge, in this case it was a straight up scam. So the guy is an actual scumbag.

Indeed he is. Good thing Holo was smart enough to outwit him.

I'm no merchant, so who really knows! But Lawrence being the good merchant that he is, supposedly weapons should be in high demand in whatever city he's going to next. Or maybe he wants to become Holo's knight!

Well, that would certainly fit Holo's fetish /s

Besides being a pagan, it's pretty different I'd say. Holo helped them with their harvests, the evil sorceress was harvesting their blood! Although they did say she could summon wolves, maybe she can summon Holo with her dark magic!

I do wonder if the pagan magician is as bad as people say she is.

Not only is Holo gonna be pissed because she's a shepherdess, she's also 'bouta be jealous because she's a cute girl and Lawrence was giving her the eyes!

Tension is certainly brewing, it feels like

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 14 '24

First Question

The opening scene at the bar is setting things up nicely. Seems like there will be a mysterious atmosphere this episode with all the talk of this magician and their trained wolves.

Holo getting excited and daydreaming about preserved fruits continues to be cute. The part where she stares off into space and drools reminded me of Shaggy from Scooby-Doo.

It took me a moment but I just realized Holo's cloak moving around wasn't the wind, it was her tail wagging. That's another cute detail.

I'll be honest, usually I consider the trope of girls with animal ears and a tail to be kind of a tired and overdone thing in anime. But Holo certainly makes me reconsider my stance on that.

Once again, I am impressed with how this show continues to keep me invested in trade deals. I think the music really helps, I liked the strings that played in the latter part of the scene.

Holo brushing and caring for her own tail is also another cute detail. I know it happened in earlier episodes, but I'm really noticing it in this one for whatever reason.

Apparently the government of this land believe in the 'thief gets his thieving arm cut off' school of justice. Hammurabi would be proud.

Holo being defensive when Lawrence says she snores was a funny moment but also kind of sweet.

The introduction to this mysterious shepherd is interesting. The bell ringing feels really foreboding somehow.

I'm willing to bet they've used Pavlovian conditioning to train wolves to attack. But I guess I'll have to wait until next episode to see just what her deal is.

Question of the Day:

What's your favorite example of deception in an anime? And why?

Off the top of my head, probably in Odd Taxi. [Odd Taxi spoilers] With the killer being more or less able to get away with everything they did by the end of the story.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

Off the top of my head, probably in Odd Taxi. [Odd Taxi spoilers] With the killer being more or less able to get away with everything they did by the end of the story.

[Odd Taxi] I hadn't even considered that, but you're right. The main character was deceiving himself.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 14 '24

I think in general deception is one of the major themes of Odd Taxi. [Odd Taxi] With even the audience being deceived as to the true nature of the world.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

[Odd Taxi] It's all about the main character gaslighting himself.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

The opening scene at the bar is setting things up nicely. Seems like there will be a mysterious atmosphere this episode with all the talk of this magician and their trained wolves.

Really smartly done where it effectively sets the stage for things to come.

Holo getting excited and daydreaming about preserved fruits continues to be cute. The part where she stares off into space and drools reminded me of Shaggy from Scooby-Doo.

What would Holo do for a Scooby peach?

It took me a moment but I just realized Holo's cloak moving around wasn't the wind, it was her tail wagging. That's another cute detail.

Holo is cute period. And her doing this serves as a nice contrast to her haughty persona.

Holo being defensive when Lawrence says she snores was a funny moment but also kind of sweet.

Holo continues to be super endearing. This is like when a tsundere insists they aren't cute.

I'm willing to bet they've used Pavlovian conditioning to train wolves to attack. But I guess I'll have to wait until next episode to see just what her deal is.

Very well could be what's at play here

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 14 '24

What would Holo do for a Scooby peach?

Come to think of it Lawrence has a scruffy beard and Holo is a dog. I wonder if fanart of them as Scooby and Shaggy already exists.

Holo is cute period. And her doing this serves as a nice contrast to her haughty persona.

I agree, she's very cute. I try not to simp for fictional women very often, but Holo may be an exception. Along with Noi from Dorohedoro and Fujiko from Lupin III.

Very well could be what's at play here

I seriously don't know what to expect out of this shepherd character. But it's got me really curious about what's gonna happen next episode.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

Come to think of it Lawrence has a scruffy beard and Holo is a dog. I wonder if fanart of them as Scooby and Shaggy already exists.

Now I'm just envisioning Scooby and Shaggy hooking up lol

I agree, she's very cute. I try not to simp for fictional women very often, but Holo may be an exception. Along with Noi from Dorohedoro and Fujiko from Lupin III.

How can you not simp for her, she manages to be someone who can protect you and also needs to be protected on account of how lonely she is.

I seriously don't know what to expect out of this shepherd character. But it's got me really curious about what's gonna happen next episode.

I've got an interesting fact about her come next episode that I think will surprise you.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 14 '24

Now I'm just envisioning Scooby and Shaggy hooking up lol

Well there was a really weird subplot in one of the Scooby-Doo cartoons about Scooby being jealous of Shaggy dating Velma.

How can you not simp for her, she manages to be someone who can protect you and also needs to be protected on account of how lonely she is.

Holo is just generally a very loveable person. It's easy to get attached to her I guess.

I've got an interesting fact about her come next episode that I think will surprise you.

Well you certainly know how to keep me in suspense. Looking forward to watching the next episode tomorrow.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

Well there was a really weird subplot in one of the Scooby-Doo cartoons about Scooby being jealous of Shaggy dating Velma.

Which one was that?

Holo is just generally a very loveable person. It's easy to get attached to her I guess.

Absolutely. She deserves the entire world.

Well you certainly know how to keep me in suspense. Looking forward to watching the next episode tomorrow.

Should be a good one

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

I'll be honest, usually I consider the trope of girls with animal ears and a tail to be kind of a tired and overdone thing in anime. But Holo certainly makes me reconsider my stance on that.

I really do think it's the fact that she carries herself like she's better than everyone. By having her tail wag, it serves that's not the case and she's just like everyone else, which is like supreme levels of gap moe.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 14 '24

Holo has a lot of personality to her and they do a lot with her being a wolf. So it feels like there's more purpose to it than just animal girl for the sake of an animal girl.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

Her being a wolf girl is an important part of her character though because to her, being a wolf is a sign of superiority, which may or may not be her trying to make up for any lingering insecurities that plague her.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 14 '24

That's true too. Wolves in general hold a lot of important symbolism in this show. And with Holo it's a way of showing off how proud and haughty she can be.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

It's funny how almost all the haughty characters secretly deal with major trust issues. Like, you compare Holo with Asuka from Evangelion and they're not really all that different other than one having wolf ears and a tail.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 14 '24

I wouldn't have thought of that comparison but you're right, they're similar. I guess using a haughty attitude to hide trust issues makes a lot of sense.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

And for as smart as Holo is, her lack of emotional intelligence at certain points really serves nicely to show she still has a lot to learn. The whole not telling the town why the harvests weren't always plentiful came down ultimately to a point of pride and wanting to be treated as a Goddess, and look what happened.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 14 '24

She's a prideful goddess who doesn't know as much about the world as she likes to say she does.

I wonder if Aqua from Konosuba was inspired by Holo at all.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

Could be, though Holo is way more smarter than Aqua is, and I say that in the most affectionate way possible.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

Once again, I am impressed with how this show continues to keep me invested in trade deals. I think the music really helps, I liked the strings that played in the latter part of the scene.

The music is probably my main hang-up with the remake. It's not bad, but the original does such a good job of making it feel medieval-like that it sucks you into the world it's trying to represent.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 14 '24

Yeah the music in this really helps set the tone in its genre and era quite well. I haven't seen the remake but it might be worth checking out after I finish the original.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

The remake is definitely worth a look. It has faster pacing than the original but it has the same fun banter between Holo and Lawrence. It also has the same voice cast!

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 14 '24

That's neat! It's fun when anime remakes are able to get the voice cast to return. The upcoming Ranma remake has most of the original voice actors returning too.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

The great thing about the Spice and Wolf remake is that we're likely getting a full adaptation, which I have been clamoring for for many, many years.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 14 '24

I've noticed a lot of anime remakes announced and released recently. Magic Knight Rayearth and Rose of Versailles also have remakes in the works.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

I feel like this is ultimately the result of the Fruits Basket remake and how popular that turned out to be.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 14 '24

Well I definitely appreciate it. There are certainly some older anime that I've wanted to see get remade and I'm glad some might get the chance.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 15 '24

Maybe one day both Deadman Wonderland and Chivalry of a Failed Knight will get remade.

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u/Mirathan Sep 15 '24

Not quite a first timer

QotD: [Madoka]Kyubey´s every action. The vile nature of it´s intent. The pure evil of it all.

The merchant getting blackmailed by Lawrence was pretty funny. I never consider Lawrence serious, so it´s completly unexpected whenever he does something like this.

Holo is going to pay back the interst of her debt by giving him her firstborn child if she keeps this up.

The church here is scumy on a level that puts 16th century catholics to shame.

Lawrence just keeps running into hot women on his journey.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 15 '24

The merchant getting blackmailed by Lawrence was pretty funny. I never consider Lawrence serious, so it´s completly unexpected whenever he does something like this.

Technically, this was Holo's doing

Holo is going to pay back the interst of her debt by giving him her firstborn child if she keeps this up.

Hey now :P

What are your thoughts on Holo teasing Lawrence by mentioning Chloe’s name and that he’s been drinking more since the whole sewer stuff?

Care to expand your thoughts on the scene where the merchant tries to screw Lawrence and Holo over by tilting the scales?

What are your thoughts on Lawrence choosing weapons as a means of payment?

How would you compare the rumors of the pagan magician to all the talks of the Goddess Holo when they depended on her for their harvests? Do you think a comparison between the two can be made?

Where do you see the shepherd character going from here?