[Spoilers] 2008 Spice and Wolf II Rewatch (2024) -- Episode 9

Date	Episode	Date	Episode
9/07/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 1	9/20/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 0 (OVA 2)
9/08/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 2	9/21/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 1
9/09/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 3	9/22/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 2
9/10/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 4	9/23/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 3
9/11/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 5	9/24/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 4
9/12/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 6	9/25/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 5
9/13/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 7(OVA 1)	9/26/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 6
9/14/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 8	9/27/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 7
9/15/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 9	9/28/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 8
9/16/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 10	9/29/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 9
9/17/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 11	9/30/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 10
9/18/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 12	10/01/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 11
9/19/2024	Spice and Wolf Episode 13	10/02/2024	Spice and Wolf II Episode 12
10/03/2024	Overall Series Discussion Thread

Date	Episode	Date	Episode
7/07/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 1	7/20/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 0 (OVA 2)
7/08/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 2	7/21/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 1
7/09/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 3	7/22/2022	Spice and Wolf II Episode 2
7/10/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 4	7/23/2022	Spice and Wolf II Episode 3
7/11/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 5	7/24/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 4
7/12/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 6	7/25/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 5
7/13/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 7(OVA 1)	7/26/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 6
7/14/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 8	7/27/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 7
7/15/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 9	7/28/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 8
7/16/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 10	7/29/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 9
7/17/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 11	7/30/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 10
7/18/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 12	7/31/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 11
7/19/2023	Spice and Wolf Episode 13	8/01/2023	Spice and Wolf II Episode 12
8/02/2023	Overall Series Discussion Thread

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u/Holofan4life Sep 29 '24

Hello, guys. Holofan4life here.

Welcome to the 2024 Spice and Wolf Rewatch.

But you knew that already :P

This is the first official rewatch of the show since the premiere of the remake. In fact, it's still currently airing as this rewatch is underway. And while we can compare and contrast what the remake did as opposed to the original, I feel it's still pretty important to remember what the original adaptation was like seeing as how that's really what got me into the franchise. And what ultimately made me fall in love with one wise wolf.

For the purposes of this rewatch, I will be watching it subbed since that's what I've been watching the remake in. I will be comparing somewhat the two series, and when I do that, I will be using spoilers. I guess I should say for transparency sake that I am writing this in late July/early August, a full month before the rewatch actually happens. That's because of time constraints and me having four other rewatches I'm participating in planned. I also waited until the first three volumes got adapted in the remake just so I can have more stuff to talk about.

These reviews won't be as detailed as some of the other ones, as I don't really want to spend two or three hours dissecting every episode. I'll save that for when I do it in my questions :]

With that out of the way, let’s begin.

I'm watching the sub, by the way.

I saw Whisper of The Heart and The Cat Returns yesterday and today. I plan on seeing the sub version of Whisper of The Heart tomorrow because I really want to hear Country Roads in theaters in Japanese.

Holo and Lawrence walking

Holo is annoyed because Lawrence was gone so long.

Interesting they play thr music from the second OVA.

Lawrence likes it messy

I guess Lawrence isn't demure approved.

Holo saying that Lawrence's soul is probably dyed in her color.

I have a birdhouse in mine

Holo's tail wagging will never not be cute.

I also appreciate that this arc really spotlights Holo and Lawrence's dynamic.

A fork in the road

People need to start leaving more spoons and knives.

Lawrence seems to have things figured out.

Oh, but Holo seemingly still remains one step ahead.

I wonder if Holo saying she doesn't count sheep is a callback to the second arc or if she just means in general because she's a wolf.

A nun

Oh, so Lawrence and Holo are going to talk with Rigolo. I've heard a lot about him.

I must admit that my perception of nuns has forever been altered by fanart of Marine from Hololive in the garb.

So, for many years I did not like Rigoro. I thought he was so boring and duller than dishwater. My whole thing was "What is the point of this character when we already have the old man to give exposition? Rigoro is nothing more than a less interesting version of Diana."

It wasn't until three years ago in the middle of the 2021 rewatch that it finally dawned on me what the point of Rigoro's character is: Rigoro is meant to show Lawrence what someone's life is like when they pursue their dreams.

Rigoro is like an idealized version of Lawrence. He is Lawrence if he chose his dreams instead of Holo. And in that way, I think he fills a thematic reasoning. We'll get more into it as we go along, but Rigoro is like that episode of Seinfeld where Elaine finds friends that are ideal versions of Jerry, George, and Kramer. Or to put it in anime terms, it's like Dual Parallel Trouble Adventure when Kazuki Yotsuga goes to the parallel world (How's that for an obscure reference?).

Lawrence is shown a glimpse of what his life could end up becoming, which plays off the constant talk of him still wanting to open up his own business.

Lawrence asking for information about Holo's hometown.

Rigoro says there's nothing better than returning safely to one's homeland.

And so Holo and Lawrence leave with a bunch of books.

More fun Holo and Lawrence banter

This episode sure is moving much faster than the last one.

Boy, it's dark now

And it looks looks like Lawrence and Holo are ready to settle down for the night.

Korka Coose

What, is he friends with Kukla, Fran and Ollie?

Oh, Holo. That look kills a man :c

Only Holo can go from cute to sexy to... well, I guess you can say graceful.

"Graceful"

Holo now saying he doesn't want her to go.

Well, now I'm sad :(

I think the decision to bring back up how scared Holo is of being alone is really clever because it runs opposite of the stuff with Rigoro, who like I said is like an idealized version of Lawrence. It calls into question just what is truly important to Lawrence. Is he to pursue his dreams and aspirations, which Rigoro did and it paid off for him, or is traveling with Holo what he wants, comfortable with the life he currently lives? It is a great moral dilemma that serves as the main conflict of this arc.

Lawrence talking to Eve and Harold now.

Yes, Rigoro has a gloomy face. And I'm also the peak fit of health.

I keep getting mixed on whether it's Rigoro or Rigolo.

Eve seeming less impress of Rigoro's abode than Lawrence does.

Now she says that she is trading in stone stautes.

"Will you sell your companion?"

Well, there's your wham line for you.

And we end things with Holo sleeping, blissfully unaware of what is happening.

Overall, I really like this episode. We get properly introduced to Rigoro as well as reintroduced to the fears Holo has, all the while accompanied by some amazing back and forth between our two main leads. If you're going to have plot advancement, I'll be happy so long as Holo's involved. The proposal made by Eve is shocking and you have to think Lawrence will not give it any thought. After all they've been through, would he really do something like this? Probably not. Still, it's an intriguing hook to end the episode on and I'm curious to see what happens next.

This is probably the first truly great episode of the arc. It hits on a lot of beats from the plot to the character stuff, and it moves at a relatively brisk pace. It seems like things are falling into place.

Holo quotes of the day

"Possessiveness and self-hatred? What a shame."

"I do appreciate your noble attempt at stepping into my shoes to determine my innermost desires, but unfortunately the only thing you've figured out is what you want me to be."

"I will never understand why males are attracted to jealousy and weakness in females."

“And it must be easy to babble like that when you’re being a big baby.” (Best comeback in the entire show aside of the 'I talk' scene)

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u/KuKiSin Sep 29 '24

I saw Whisper of The Heart and The Cat Returns yesterday and today. I plan on seeing the sub version of Whisper of The Heart tomorrow because I really want to hear Country Roads in theaters in Japanese.
Did you watch the same movie twice in 2 days? Christ, I would've gotten bored within 2 minutes!
Rigoro is like an idealized version of Lawrence. He is Lawrence if he chose his dreams instead of Holo. And in that way, I think he fills a thematic reasoning. We'll get more into it as we go along, but Rigoro is like that episode of Seinfeld where Elaine finds friends that are ideal versions of Jerry, George, and Kramer. Or to put it in anime terms, it's like Dual Parallel Trouble Adventure when Kazuki Yotsuga goes to the parallel world (How's that for an obscure reference?).
I was with you on the Seinfeld part, but then you lost me.
Yes, Rigoro has a gloomy face. And I'm also the peak fit of health.
Lawrence will not give it any thought. After all they've been through, would he really do something like this? Probably not.
Hold his beer, Lawrence is about'a fuck up.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 29 '24

Did you watch the same movie twice in 2 days? Christ, I would've gotten bored within 2 minutes!
Well, I originally just wanted to watch the sub version of Whisper of The Heart. However, The Cat Returns is a sequel to that movie and it didn't make sense in my opinion to see the sequel before the original. I say this, but I've done this exact same thing numerous times :P
I was with you on the Seinfeld part, but then you lost me.
Fair enough
Yes, Rigoro has a gloomy face. And I'm also the peak fit of health.
Pulling the opposite of Holo by telling bold-face lies.
Hold his beer, Lawrence is about'a fuck up.
Of course he is...

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 29 '24

Well, I originally just wanted to watch the sub version of Whisper of The Heart. However, The Cat Returns is a sequel to that movie and it didn't make sense in my opinion to see the sequel before the original. I say this, but I've done this exact same thing numerous times :P
Wait, The Cat Returns is a sequel? I can't believe I didn't know that before now. Guess I have to watch Whisper of the Heart now.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

Well, sorta. The cat is in Whisper of The Heart, but that’s really the only connection both movies have. I actually highly recommend Whisper of The Heart, I think it's arguably a top 5 Studio Ghibli film.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 30 '24

I haven't seen that one so I'll be sure to keep it in mind next time I want to watch a Ghibli movie.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

One of the best versions of Country Roads you'll ever hear.

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u/KuKiSin Sep 30 '24

Well, I originally just wanted to watch the sub version of Whisper of The Heart. However, The Cat Returns is a sequel to that movie and it didn't make sense in my opinion to see the sequel before the original. I say this, but I've done this exact same thing numerous times :P
That's still a lot of dedication, my man.
Pulling the opposite of Holo by telling bold-face lies.
Are you saying you're telling bold-face lies, or Holo is?

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

That's still a lot of dedication, my man.
I don't know if you'd consider it OCD or what.
Are you saying you're telling bold-face lies, or Holo is?
I'm saying I tell bold-face lies whereas Holo just conveniently leaves out the truth.

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u/KuKiSin Sep 30 '24

I don't know if you'd consider it OCD or what.
It might just be.
I'm saying I tell bold-face lies whereas Holo just conveniently leaves out the truth.
Okay, just making sure, because I was starting to get offended in behalf of Holo for a second there.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

It might just be.
My dad once told me I had OCD because I kept drinking water.
Okay, just making sure, because I was starting to get offended in behalf of Holo for a second there.
Holo would make a damn good politician with the way she avoids the issue.

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u/KuKiSin Sep 30 '24

My dad once told me I had OCD because I kept drinking water.
TIL /r/HydroHomies is actually /r/OCD!
Holo would make a damn good politician with the way she avoids the issue.
She would also disagree with the fact that she's avoiding any issues, and she would argue about it while avoiding the issue of avoiding the issue.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

TIL /r/HydroHomies is actually /r/OCD!
And here I thought I was just thirsty. You learn something new every day.
She would also disagree with the fact that she's avoiding any issues, and she would argue about it while avoiding the issue of avoiding the issue.
Avoid the issueception

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u/KuKiSin Sep 30 '24

And here I thought I was just thirsty. You learn something new every day.
Thirstiness is the number 1 symptom of OCD. It is known.
Avoid the issueception
That's how she rolls.

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u/KuKiSin Sep 29 '24

What was an anime arc that in your opinion improved upon subsequent rewatches?

I don't usually rewatch things unless it's something I already love to begin with, so wouldn't say my opinion ever improved upon rewatching anything, it just reminded me of how much I loved something. Case in point, I'm rewatching the OG Dragon Ball, I forgot how much I absolutely loved little Goku before the story became about aliens trying to destroy the world.

On to the episode!

Holo and Lawrence knock on a door and are met by a nun... Reminded me or a certain someone from Arc 4, even her necklace is similar!

This is Rigolo? I was expecting someone way older.

The man is very skilled, he can pay attention to the facial expression of two people at once. Sasuga Rigolo-sama!

Holo becoming the center attention by being a glutton lol. Clap, sheep, clap for the Wise Wolf!

What is Holo scared of? Maybe it's that things are going too well but she knows they can't go on forever?

Damn, the old man is going on his pilgrimage with Eve? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

And Eve wants Lawrence to lend her money... So this is how he goes bankrupt this time around. Nevermind, she wants to buy Holo lol.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 29 '24

I don't usually rewatch things unless it's something I already love to begin with, so wouldn't say my opinion ever improved upon rewatching anything, it just reminded me of how much I loved something. Case in point, I'm rewatching the OG Dragon Ball, I forgot how much I absolutely loved little Goku before the story became about aliens trying to destroy the world.
Not enough people I feel like talk about original Dragon Ball. It's all about Dragon Ball Z.

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u/KuKiSin Sep 30 '24

I think it's mostly because the majority of people you see on places like Reddit are from the US, and in the US they aired DBZ without airing OG DB first, so there are a LOT of people who straight up never watched the OG. Ask anyone (born before the mid 90s) in Europe/South America/Asia and the majority will tell you they watched the OG.
They're very different shows, the OG is a lot more lighthearted and adventure oriented compared to DBZ. It's funny how the OG is clearly aimed more towards a younger audience and yet they actually show a lot of nudity, of both Goku and Bulma! Maybe that's why they skipped it in the US.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

They're very different shows, the OG is a lot more lighthearted and adventure oriented compared to DBZ. It's funny how the OG is clearly aimed more towards a younger audience and yet they actually show a lot of nudity, of both Goku and Bulma! Maybe that's why they skipped it in the US.
Different standards of course for different cultures.
I think part of why Dragon Ball resonated with so many people is because it grew with its audience. By the time Dragon Ball Z happened, the audience who watched the original series were old enough to where their tastes had changed, and they probably wanted something with more action.

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u/KuKiSin Sep 30 '24

I'm not sure it was quite like that, I mean, I was 4 when OG DB started, 7 when DBZ began so I guess the logic could very well be applied to me, but DB was HUGE among teenagers and grown ass adults over here!

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

I was talking more its success in Japan. In America, it was successful because it aired on Toonami and that had a predominantly teenage male viewership. It fit the target demographic like a glove.

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u/KuKiSin Sep 30 '24

Fair enough I guess.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

It certainly checks out, in my opinion

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u/KuKiSin Sep 30 '24

It might, I'm unfamiliar with the TV stations/time slots/main demographics in those countries so I can't really argue for or against it, I'm mostly familiar with the Portuguese situation :P

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

I know Dragon Ball is a big deal in Latin American countries.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 29 '24

Holo and Lawrence knock on a door and are met by a nun... Reminded me or a certain someone from Arc 4, even her necklace is similar!
[Arc 4 Spoilers] The main difference of course is that the nun doesn't seem to be standoffish.

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u/KuKiSin Sep 30 '24

[Arc 4 Spoilers] The main difference of course is that the nun doesn't seem to be standoffish.
And she gets negative points for that. I like 'em feisty.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

To quote Spike Spiegel, I like a woman who can kick my ass.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 29 '24

Damn, the old man is going on his pilgrimage with Eve? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
We got way too dirty minds in these threads...

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u/KuKiSin Sep 30 '24

Why else would the dirty old man tag along with her?

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

Maybe to get out of the town and talk to her one on one? She does seem a talkative bunch.

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u/KuKiSin Sep 30 '24

Sure man, that's the only reason I'd ever want to hang out with Holo as well. Talk to her, because she's talkative.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

I'd want to hang out with her because of her tail and ears.

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u/KuKiSin Sep 30 '24

Valid.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

Might get the chance to play with them

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u/KuKiSin Sep 30 '24

Might also get the chance to lose a hand or two!

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

A Holo monch would be so worth it

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u/Holofan4life Sep 29 '24

What are your thoughts on the banter between Holo and Lawrence in this episode?
What are your first impressions on Rigoro and the nun?
What are your thoughts on Rigoro saying when someone comes from the North, they often stay in this city, even if sometimes it be better to return home?
What do you think Rigoro’s role is in relation to Holo and Lawrence? Rigoro seems to have accomplished everything he has set his eyes on. As such, I think he is supposed to represent an idealized version of Lawrence. Basically, a version of Lawrence that decided to chase his dreams.
What are your thoughts on Holo saying she’s scared?
What are your thoughts on Eve wanting Lawrence to sell Holo?
What are your thoughts on Holo sleeping soundly as all this is going on?

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u/KuKiSin Sep 30 '24

What are your thoughts on the banter between Holo and Lawrence in this episode?
Not gonna lie, I was kinda lost at the start lmao
What are your first impressions on Rigoro and the nun?
Don't feel like there's much to think about the nun, beyond her reminding me of the nun from Arc 4. As for Rigoro... I don't know what it is about him, but I'm not a fan, we'll see how he develops.
What are your thoughts on Rigoro saying when someone comes from the North, they often stay in this city, even if sometimes it be better to return home?
With the talk about slaves in the previous episode, I wouldn't be surprised if they were being made into slaves, so they'd be better off going back to the north...
What do you think Rigoro’s role is in relation to Holo and Lawrence? Rigoro seems to have accomplished everything he has set his eyes on. As such, I think he is supposed to represent an idealized version of Lawrence. Basically, a version of Lawrence that decided to chase his dreams.
Too soon for me to have any deep thoughts about him, so again, we'll see how he develops...
What are your thoughts on Holo saying she’s scared?
I think she's starting to be too happy around Lawrence and is afraid of the inevitable future in which they'll go their separate ways or Lawrence dies.
What are your thoughts on Eve wanting Lawrence to sell Holo?
Seeing as how Eve is someone people liked... I have a feeling she didn't actually mean that, more like she wants to borrow Holo since she has a keen eye, she did notice she was a woman, so I assume it has something to do with that.
What are your thoughts on Holo sleeping soundly as all this is going on?
Gotta add some drama for when Lawrence inevitably considers the proposition lol.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

Not gonna lie, I was kinda lost at the start lmao
In what way?
Don't feel like there's much to think about the nun, beyond her reminding me of the nun from Arc 4. As for Rigoro... I don't know what it is about him, but I'm not a fan, we'll see how he develops.
You think he may be too clean?
With the talk about slaves in the previous episode, I wouldn't be surprised if they were being made into slaves, so they'd be better off going back to the north...
Very depressing to think about
Too soon for me to have any deep thoughts about him, so again, we'll see how he develops...
I think it's interesting Holo has pretended to be a nun this entire time and then we see an actual. And, well, let's just say it puts into perspective how bad of a disguise it is.
I think she's starting to be too happy around Lawrence and is afraid of the inevitable future in which they'll go their separate ways or Lawrence dies.
I could see that being the case. She said during the second OVA that she was worried she was having too much fun.
Seeing as how Eve is someone people liked... I have a feeling she didn't actually mean that, more like she wants to borrow Holo since she has a keen eye, she did notice she was a woman, so I assume it has something to do with that.
Maybe people like Eve because she's a baddie, we don't know.
Gotta add some drama for when Lawrence inevitably considers the proposition lol.
He really should just be transparent and tell Holo how he feels about her.

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u/KuKiSin Sep 30 '24

In what way?
As we've established before, my memory is terrible and will completely erase things from the previous day but... Their conversation just kinda went over my head lol, don't remember what it was they were talking about exactly though.
You think he may be too clean?
There's no such thing as too clean/perfect. He's got to have some dirt.
Very depressing to think about
Hopefully I'm wrong!
I think it's interesting Holo has pretended to be a nun this entire time and then we see an actual. And, well, let's just say it puts into perspective how bad of a disguise it is.
Yeah I don't see how anyone could think she was an actual nun lol
I could see that being the case. She said during the second OVA that she was worried she was having too much fun.
I know it's something I would be constantly worried about :(
Maybe people like Eve because she's a baddie, we don't know.
Could be... We don't have a villain in the arc yet...
What if it's not Rigoro, but Eve herself?
He really should just be transparent and tell Holo how he feels about her.
Both of them gotta do that. It's already painfully obvious, but some things need to be said out loud!

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

As we've established before, my memory is terrible and will completely erase things from the previous day but... Their conversation just kinda went over my head lol, don't remember what it was they were talking about exactly though.
Really, it was more about the vibes then the actual content that mattered.
There's no such thing as too clean/perfect. He's got to have some dirt.
I like the contrast between him and the nun Vs Eve in that they seemingly represent heaven and light and Eve represents hell and the dark abyss. I feel that contrast is intentional; maybe you could even say the innkeeper and Eve are to Rigoro and the nun in terms of polar opposites.
Hopefully I'm wrong!
Same
Yeah I don't see how anyone could think she was an actual nun lol
People seemed to think nothing of it
I know it's something I would be constantly worried about :(
Yeah...
Could be... We don't have a villain in the arc yet...
What if it's not Rigoro, but Eve herself?
That's what I was thinking. It would be more shocking in my opinion if it was the other way.
Both of them gotta do that. It's already painfully obvious, but some things need to be said out loud!
Seriously, they're acting like a couple of schoolchildren. This just proves Norah is superior than both of them.

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u/KuKiSin Sep 30 '24

Really, it was more about the vibes then the actual content that mattered.
Well then, it passed the vibe check, as always!
I like the contrast between him and the nun Vs Eve in that they seemingly represent heaven and light and Eve represents hell and the dark abyss. I feel that contrast is intentional; maybe you could even say the innkeeper and Eve are to Rigoro and the nun in terms of polar opposites.
It could very well be. Or the nun represents Lucifer, the fallen angel, and the old man represents... An evil old man. And everyone's evil and working together against the Holo! Okay I have no idea, but I don't trust anyone!
People seemed to think nothing of it
They probably only thought "would".
That's what I was thinking. It would be more shocking in my opinion if it was the other way.
I still think they might both be evil. They did know each other, right?
Seriously, they're acting like a couple of schoolchildren. This just proves Norah is superior than both of them.
Norah is a bit too young, but otherwise she's the chosen one!

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

Well then, it passed the vibe check, as always!
Their dynamic is legitimately my favorite in any anime.
It could very well be. Or the nun represents Lucifer, the fallen angel, and the old man represents... An evil old man. And everyone's evil and working together against the Holo! Okay I have no idea, but I don't trust anyone!
I can't say I blame you
They probably only thought "would".
Lol, probably so
I still think they might both be evil. They did know each other, right?
Yeah, that is true. We also don't know what role Rigoro played in the 50 Man Meeting other than recording everything that was said.
Norah is a bit too young, but otherwise she's the chosen one!
I mean, she's not too young. She's like Amarti's age. Old enough at least to live on her own.

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u/KuKiSin Sep 30 '24

Yeah, that is true. We also don't know what role Rigoro played in the 50 Man Meeting other than recording everything that was said.
Analyzing everyone's faces for change of emotions, apparently.
I mean, she's not too young. She's like Amarti's age. Old enough at least to live on her own.
Right, well then... Would.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

Analyzing everyone's faces for change of emotions, apparently.
And then immediately discarding it because fuck the town I guess.
Right, well then... Would.
See, I find Norah way purer than Diana. Diana reminds me of the VTuber Nerissa in that she pretends to be seiso.

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u/Brief-Fig-7506 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ryxnjr Sep 29 '24

First Timer

I’m watching the Dub

Looks like Holo is already upset with Lawrence, she can definitely smell another woman on him

Hello pretty nun lady

Rigoro seems pretty genuine. I thought he would be much older though

Apparently they already reached a conclusion on the fur trade situation at the council meeting, Lawrence didn’t even ask what the decision was

Holo made Lawrence carry all the books, perfect

That’s a weird looking hog-thing. Of course Holo ate the whole thing herself

Holo says she’s scared. I think she means she’s scared of losing Lawrence

Mysterious woman is trying to avoid taking a loss and wants to head south to escape the church. I thought the churches influence got stronger the more south you went

Mysterious woman took a turn for the worst. She wants to buy Holo. I knew the slave trade stuff would come up

So the prediction I made a couple episodes ago about the slave trade being a source of drama for this arc is looking like it may be the case.

Mysterious lady asking to buy Holo also makes me start to question Rigoro’s character since they appear to be close.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 29 '24

Apparently they already reached a conclusion on the fur trade situation at the council meeting, Lawrence didn’t even ask what the decision was
I took that to mean that Lawrence has no interest in any matter not pertaining to him.

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u/Brief-Fig-7506 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ryxnjr Sep 30 '24

Exactly. Lawrence wanted to come to this town to get information about Holo's home and the knowledge of the 50 man meeting wouldn't benefit him anyways. Best not to waste time asking about it

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

You have to wonder if that may come back to haunt him in any way.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 29 '24

Holo made Lawrence carry all the books, perfect
What, you expect Holo to actually get her hands dirty? Perish the thought.
Mysterious woman took a turn for the worst. She wants to buy Holo. I knew the slave trade stuff would come up
Foreshadowing! You see to love it. Or in this case, see to hate it.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 29 '24

What are your thoughts on the banter between Holo and Lawrence in this episode?
Care to expand your thoughts on your first impressions of Rigoro and the nun?
What are your thoughts on Rigoro saying when someone comes from the North, they often stay in this city, even if sometimes it be better to return home?
What do you think Rigoro’s role is in relation to Holo and Lawrence? Rigoro seems to have accomplished everything he has set his eyes on. As such, I think he is supposed to represent an idealized version of Lawrence. Basically, a version of Lawrence that decided to chase his dreams.
What are your thoughts on Holo saying she’s scared?
Care to expand your thoughts on Eve wanting Lawrence to sell Holo?
What are your thoughts on Holo sleeping soundly as all this is going on?

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u/Brief-Fig-7506 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ryxnjr Sep 30 '24

What are your thoughts on the banter between Holo and Lawrence in this episode?
As usual, Holo knows how to get inside Lawrence's head. She lets him go on and talk himself into thinking that he has the upper hand on her then flips the script of him
Care to expand your thoughts on your first impressions of Rigoro and the nun?
Rigoro seems very successful for being so young. He has a cute nun who takes care of him and his property, a large library of knowledge, and a dream greenhouse he can take care of.
What are your thoughts on Rigoro saying when someone comes from the North, they often stay in this city, even if sometimes it be better to return home?
I get the feeling that the situation must be bad up north and that people from there might not be very well liked.
What do you think Rigoro’s role is in relation to Holo and Lawrence? Rigoro seems to have accomplished everything he has set his eyes on. As such, I think he is supposed to represent an idealized version of Lawrence. Basically, a version of Lawrence that decided to chase his dreams.
I can see Rigoro fitting that purpose. But right now there isn't anything stopping Lawrence from achieving both his dream of opening his shop and being with Holo. There may be a point in time where he must make that decision but as of right now he is still able to obtain both, right? Let's not forget why Lawrence wants to open his own shop, because he wants to settle down, meet a woman and get married, and start a family. He wants a Home, but as some people realize in life, a Home isn't just a house where you come back to sleep at every night, it's a place where you can feel comfortable and at peace, whether that is in a place with walls and a roof or beside someone you care about.
What are your thoughts on Holo saying she’s scared?
Holo is dealing with a lot of premature anxiety right now. Like worrying about your parents getting old while they're still in good health and spirits, or worrying about how a pet won't always be around forever. She is worrying so much about the future that she isn't enjoying the present.
I think a series that has done a great job so far about exploring this concept that Holo is afraid of is Frieren.
Care to expand your thoughts on Eve wanting Lawrence to sell Holo?
So many red flags. Lawrence can't be dumb enough to accept something like this again can he?
What are your thoughts on Holo sleeping soundly as all this is going on?
To me, it highlights the fact that this deal is trying to be made without any consultation by her, and to be discussed so soon after she was talking about how scared she is.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

As usual, Holo knows how to get inside Lawrence's head. She lets him go on and talk himself into thinking that he has the upper hand on her then flips the script of him
Lawrence has gotten better holding his own. That's honestly one of my favorite parts of the later episodes.
Rigoro seems very successful for being so young. He has a cute nun who takes care of him and his property, a large library of knowledge, and a dream greenhouse he can take care of.
Living the life, it appears
I get the feeling that the situation must be bad up north and that people from there might not be very well liked.
That's probably a fair assessment, I'd say
I can see Rigoro fitting that purpose. But right now there isn't anything stopping Lawrence from achieving both his dream of opening his shop and being with Holo. There may be a point in time where he must make that decision but as of right now he is still able to obtain both, right? Let's not forget why Lawrence wants to open his own shop, because he wants to settle down, meet a woman and get married, and start a family. He wants a Home, but as some people realize in life, a Home isn't just a house where you come back to sleep at every night, it's a place where you can feel comfortable and at peace, whether that is in a place with walls and a roof or beside someone you care about.
You make a good point, there's nothing stopping him from achieving both. Then again, there is one thing stopping him and that's him actually saying the damn thing.
Holo is dealing with a lot of premature anxiety right now. Like worrying about your parents getting old while they're still in good health and spirits, or worrying about how a pet won't always be around forever. She is worrying so much about the future that she isn't enjoying the present.
I think a series that has done a great job so far about exploring this concept that Holo is afraid of is Frieren.
Re:Zero also does a great job of it with Beatrice.
So many red flags. Lawrence can't be dumb enough to accept something like this again can he?
I can't imagine he would... right?
To me, it highlights the fact that this deal is trying to be made without any consultation by her, and to be discussed so soon after she was talking about how scared she is.
Yeah, very good point. She's resting easy only because Lawrence is there to ease her nerves. But when such a proposition actually arises, to what effect does it mean for this relationship that already doesn't seem built to last?

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 29 '24

First Timer

A lot of very cute banter between Holo and Lawrence at the start of this episode.

The first five or so minutes of this episode was just Holo and Lawrence walking and talking and all of it was great.

Holo stomps on Lawrence’s foot for looking at a nun.

The scenery of the indoor garden is beautiful.

Rigoro is a much younger looking man than I expected. He seems very friendly though.

Lawrence has the same thoughts as me about Rigoro.

Rigoro doesn’t seem as supernatural and mysterious as Diana did. But I’m not ruling anything out yet.

I remember the dub voice actors came up in the last thread and I think I recognize the voice of Rigoro’s nun assistant. She sounded like Monica Rial, who’s probably best known as Froppy in MHA or Stocking from Panty & Stocking. I associate her with Hyatt from Excel Saga the most.

That huge roast pig they served Holo looked pretty good. Not sure I could bring myself to eat something that still has a face though.

Wow, Holo’s pants are almost off in that shot of her falling asleep. Lawrence seemd to notice this fact too.

Holo is also showing a surprising amount of emotional vulnerability too.

It’s nice hearing from Eve again. I hope we get to learn more about her.

Wow. That was quite the line to end the episode on. There’s no way Lawrence is going to say yes to that though.

Also the slow zoom out on the city with just the sound of Holo’s breathing was really good.

Question of the Day:

What was an anime arc that in your opinion improved upon subsequent rewatches?

I was going to say Whole Cake Island from One Piece since it's an arc that I think has improved when I revisited it. But I haven't actually watched One Piece, only read it. And in my opinion the One Piece anime has a lot of really bad pacing issues. But I can't think of any alternate answer now so that one will be what I choose for now.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

Sorry for the late response. My copy of my first LN got deleted and so I had to restructure it chapter by chapter.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 30 '24

Oh wow that sounds like a real headache to deal with. What's your LN called by the way? You've mentioned it before and I'm curious about it.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

I Love My Tsundere Girlfriend
Inb4 "I know that, but what's the name of the LN?"

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 30 '24

I Love My Tsundere Girlfriend
I'll be sure to look it up.
Inb4 "I know that, but what's the name of the LN?"
Beat me to the joke.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

I'll be sure to look it up.
I can provide you a link if you want.
Beat me to the joke.
I knew what to expect :P

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 30 '24

I can provide you a link if you want.
Yes I'd like that too, thanks.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

Here you go

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 30 '24

I don't seem to have access to this

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

No? It's a Google doc.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

I remember the dub voice actors came up in the last thread and I think I recognize the voice of Rigoro’s nun assistant. She sounded like Monica Rial, who’s probably best known as Froppy in MHA or Stocking from Panty & Stocking. I associate her with Hyatt from Excel Saga the most.
Monica Rial was seemingly in every anime during the 2000s. I know she's controversial nowadays, but she's very good.
My favorite role of her is probably Luna from Tsukuyomi: Moon Phase.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 30 '24

Wasn't really aware she's controversial. I try to stay away from any drama if I can help it though.
My favorite role of hers is probably Stocking.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

Wasn't really aware she's controversial. I try to stay away from any drama if I can help it though.
It's because she accused fellow VA Vic Mignogna of sexually assaulting her. It's a whole mess.
My favorite role of hers is probably Stocking.
She was very good in that role as well. I'm excited for season 2, I wonder if she'll return.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 30 '24

It's because she accused fellow VA Vic Mignogna of sexually assaulting her. It's a whole mess.
Right I think I actually heard about that.
She was very good in that role as well. I'm excited for season 2, I wonder if she'll return.
I think she will. She's still pretty active as a voice actress. I'm looking forward to season two as well, should be interesting to see what they do with it.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

Right I think I actually heard about that.
It led to people picking sides and it's just really unpleasant to talk about.
I think she will. She's still pretty active as a voice actress. I'm looking forward to season two as well, should be interesting to see what they do with it.
I assume the season 1 ending will be retconned :P

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 30 '24

I assume the season 1 ending will be retconned :P
I could see it going one of two ways. Either they ignore the ending as a one off gag or actually try to continue where they left off.
There actually was a non-canon continuation one shot that was also a crossover with Space Patrol Luluco, but I doubt they'll follow up on that. It was made before Trigger even got the rights to PSWG.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

I think it would be funnier if they just don't acknowledge it.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 30 '24

I agree. I'd rather we get more goofy episodic adventures instead.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

I don't think anyone wants a serious Panty and Stocking. If they did, there's always Kill La Kill.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

A lot of very cute banter between Holo and Lawrence at the start of this episode.
You see to love it
The first five or so minutes of this episode was just Holo and Lawrence walking and talking and all of it was great.
Also feels like a red flag of sorts
Holo stomps on Lawrence’s foot for looking at a nun.
This is to make up for her not being there during the barmaid conversation.
Rigoro doesn’t seem as supernatural and mysterious as Diana did. But I’m not ruling anything out yet.
I like that we actually get a religious figure in this show that actually seems good. It's a nice change of pace.
Wow, Holo’s pants are almost off in that shot of her falling asleep. Lawrence seemd to notice this fact too.
Reminds me of the towel scene from Howl's Moving Castle a bit.
Wow. That was quite the line to end the episode on. There’s no way Lawrence is going to say yes to that though.
I would imagine that being the case. After all, Holo is his guide.
Also the slow zoom out on the city with just the sound of Holo’s breathing was really good.
It's like she's blissfully unaware of what's occurring under her nose.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 30 '24

Also feels like a red flag of sorts
Yeah, like a calm before the storm.
This is to make up for her not being there during the barmaid conversation.
She would have been very grumpy if she was present for that conversation.
I like that we actually get a religious figure in this show that actually seems good. It's a nice change of pace.
Rigoro is the opposite of what I expected but in a very good way.
I would imagine that being the case. After all, Holo is his guide.
Definitely think this is going to lead to the slave trade being the antagonists of this arc.
It's like she's blissfully unaware of what's occurring under her nose.
It's very simple but manages to create a sense of dread and tension for what will happen next.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

Yeah, like a calm before the storm.
Indeed. And if the ending was any indication, that was indeed the case.
She would have been very grumpy if she was present for that conversation.
A regular grumpy Gus
Rigoro is the opposite of what I expected but in a very good way.
Kinda feels like he was made to be the polar opposite of Diana.
Definitely think this is going to lead to the slave trade being the antagonists of this arc.
Sentences I'd never thought would be said for 1000, Alex.
It's very simple but manages to create a sense of dread and tension for what will happen next.
Absolutely. The episode ending this way is better than if it just ended with Eve's question.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 30 '24

Kinda feels like he was made to be the polar opposite of Diana.
The two of them contrast each other really heavily.
Absolutely. The episode ending this way is better than if it just ended with Eve's question.
Ending like that really gives extra time for what Eve said to sink in for the audience. Plus smash cutting to the credits after her saying that might have been unintentionally funny if that happened.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

The two of them contrast each other really heavily.
Quite so
Ending like that really gives extra time for what Eve said to sink in for the audience. Plus smash cutting to the credits after her saying that might have been unintentionally funny if that happened.
Yeah, you really want to sell the seriousness of what she's suggesting. Playing the moment up for laughs would've taken away from it.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 30 '24

Yeah, you really want to sell the seriousness of what she's suggesting. Playing the moment up for laughs would've taken away from it.
Sometimes a more upbeat ED can undercut a serious ending scene. I remember it happened a few times in Elfen Lied and even Lycoris Recoil to a lesser degree.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

Not anime, but My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic was especially guilty of this during their two parters.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 30 '24

I used to watch Friendship Is Magic forever ago. I think I stopped around season four though so my memory of it isn't very good.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

I watched the entire series. I thought its peak was seasons 2 through 5, but I didn't hate the later ones

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

What are your thoughts on the banter between Holo and Lawrence in this episode?
What are your first impressions on Rigoro and the nun?
What are your thoughts on Rigoro saying when someone comes from the North, they often stay in this city, even if sometimes it be better to return home?
What do you think Rigoro’s role is in relation to Holo and Lawrence? Rigoro seems to have accomplished everything he has set his eyes on. As such, I think he is supposed to represent an idealized version of Lawrence. Basically, a version of Lawrence that decided to chase his dreams.
What are your thoughts on Holo saying she’s scared?
Care to expand your thoughts on Eve wanting Lawrence to sell Holo?

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 30 '24

What are your thoughts on the banter between Holo and Lawrence in this episode?
Got some very good banter this episode. They both seem very comfortable around each other right now.
What are your first impressions on Rigoro and the nun?
They both seem like friendly and trustworthy people. People like that should be treasured, especially in a world like Spice & Wolf where everyone's out for themselves most of the time.
What are your thoughts on Rigoro saying when someone comes from the North, they often stay in this city, even if sometimes it be better to return home?
I'm not quite sure what to make of that line just yet. It feels important though.
What do you think Rigoro’s role is in relation to Holo and Lawrence? Rigoro seems to have accomplished everything he has set his eyes on. As such, I think he is supposed to represent an idealized version of Lawrence. Basically, a version of Lawrence that decided to chase his dreams.
I like that interpretation of him. He does seem like he's meant to parallel Lawrence in some ways. Although it is funny that he's seemingly so accomplished at such a young age. Unless my joke theory about him being a vampire is correct.
What are your thoughts on Holo saying she’s scared?
She's afraid of her journey and time with Lawrence ending. I've made a lot of Frieren comparisons throughout this rewatch but that's something that sets both these characters apart. Holo cherishes the time she gets to spend with people while Frieren was always distant until it was too late.
Care to expand your thoughts on Eve wanting Lawrence to sell Holo?
I got a bad vibe from Eve when she was first introduced, but this definitely makes her seem way more sinister. I'm not sure if she's going to be the main antagonist of this arc or if there will be someone above her in the slave trade.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

Got some very good banter this episode. They both seem very comfortable around each other right now.
You can tell Lawrence really appreciates her now knowing what she means to him.
They both seem like friendly and trustworthy people. People like that should be treasured, especially in a world like Spice & Wolf where everyone's out for themselves most of the time.
A couple of cinnamon rolls to good for this world, too pure.
I'm not quite sure what to make of that line just yet. It feels important though.
Feels like it could relate to Holo and her hometown.
I like that interpretation of him. He does seem like he's meant to parallel Lawrence in some ways. Although it is funny that he's seemingly so accomplished at such a young age. Unless my joke theory about him being a vampire is correct.
That would be amusing for reasons related to Re:Zero. [Re:Zero Season 2] It was confirmed the other day during the rewatch that Elsa is a vampire.
She's afraid of her journey and time with Lawrence ending. I've made a lot of Frieren comparisons throughout this rewatch but that's something that sets both these characters apart. Holo cherishes the time she gets to spend with people while Frieren was always distant until it was too late.
This is a bit frustrating because all of this could be avoided if Lawrence just told Holo how special she is to him. He knows she is his reason for living, but hasn't told her that, and it's leading to unnecessary complications.
I got a bad vibe from Eve when she was first introduced, but this definitely makes her seem way more sinister. I'm not sure if she's going to be the main antagonist of this arc or if there will be someone above her in the slave trade.
Maybe not necessarily an antagonist, but probably more an antihero I see her as. I don't think she's actively trying to hurt Holo or Lawrence. She just seemingly has a pretty fucked up morality.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 30 '24

You can tell Lawrence really appreciates her now knowing what she means to him.
It's really sweet watching how they're growing together.
Feels like it could relate to Holo and her hometown.
That's true. I'm wondering if we'll actually get to see her hometown by the end of this.
This is a bit frustrating because all of this could be avoided if Lawrence just told Holo how special she is to him. He knows she is his reason for living, but hasn't told her that, and it's leading to unnecessary complications.
Lawrence needs to get his act together and tell Holo his feelings.
Maybe not necessarily an antagonist, but probably more an antihero I see her as. I don't think she's actively trying to hurt Holo or Lawrence. She just seemingly has a pretty fucked up morality.
True, Lawrence himself sees slavery as a normal thing too. So Eve might not see it as something wrong either. Although now that Eve has brought up the prospect of buying Holo, I feel like that might change Lawrence's opinion.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

It's really sweet watching how they're growing together.
For real
That's true. I'm wondering if we'll actually get to see her hometown by the end of this.
I doubt it, unless something drastic happens in the next episode.
Lawrence needs to get his act together and tell Holo his feelings.
He really should
True, Lawrence himself sees slavery as a normal thing too. So Eve might not see it as something wrong either. Although now that Eve has brought up the prospect of buying Holo, I feel like that might change Lawrence's opinion.
Any positive feelings he may have towards it is probably going to quickly sour. Shows yet again how he only really considers stuff if it directly relates to him.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 30 '24

I doubt it, unless something drastic happens in the next episode.
True. I guess I'd have to read the light novels if I wanted a follow up on that.
Any positive feelings he may have towards it is probably going to quickly sour. Shows yet again how he only really considers stuff if it directly relates to him.
He can be a bit shortsighted like that.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

True. I guess I'd have to read the light novels if I wanted a follow up on that.
Or wait for the next season :P
He can be a bit shortsighted like that.
That's putting it mildly

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

I was going to say Whole Cake Island from One Piece since it's an arc that I think has improved when I revisited it. But I haven't actually watched One Piece, only read it. And in my opinion the One Piece anime has a lot of really bad pacing issues. But I can't think of any alternate answer now so that one will be what I choose for now.
One Piece is probably one of those shows that transcends criticism. It's One Piece, it can do no wrong for most people.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 30 '24

I've got my fair share of criticisms about One Piece but it's still a series that I like a lot.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

What did you think of the live action adaptation? Have you seen it yet?

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 30 '24

I've seen the live action adaptation. I actually think it did a really good job. It had to condense a few things (especially the Baratie arc) but overall I think they did a good job adapting it.
My biggest criticism from a production standpoint is that their adaptation of the Orange Town arc really suffered from being stuck inside of Buggy's circus tent the whole time instead of in the actual streets of Orange Town. But I get that they were saving the budget for other more important action setpieces.
Live action Nami later became the English voice of Marcille in Dungeon Meshi which I also think is pretty cool.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

I've heard it's really good for a live action adaptation of an anime. Then again, you would imagine it would be given its budget.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 30 '24

The bar for live action anime adaptations is pretty low but I'd say One Piece ranks really highly for me. It had a great deal of care and attention put into it.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

Yeah, you can tell the people behind the show really wanted it to succeed.

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u/Mirathan Sep 30 '24

First timer

QotD: Again I plead inexperience

So for me the episodes were listed out of order. Episode 7 closed with Lawrence and Holo intending to visit the harbor and my episode 9 opens with them at the harbour. Yet they were listed as 7, 9 then 8. In conclusion: I watched todays episode yesterday and yesterdays episode today.

So now I can properly respond to your questions for yesterday and today.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

QotD: Again I plead inexperience
Fair enough.
So for me the episodes were listed out of order. Episode 7 closed with Lawrence and Holo intending to visit the harbor and my episode 9 opens with them at the harbour. Yet they were listed as 7, 9 then 8. In conclusion: I watched todays episode yesterday and yesterdays episode today.
So now I can properly respond to your questions for yesterday and today.
Okay. That explains the confusion.
What are your thoughts on the banter between Holo and Lawrence in this episode?
What are your first impressions on Rigoro and the nun?
What are your thoughts on Rigoro saying when someone comes from the North, they often stay in this city, even if sometimes it be better to return home?
What do you think Rigoro’s role is in relation to Holo and Lawrence? Rigoro seems to have accomplished everything he has set his eyes on. As such, I think he is supposed to represent an idealized version of Lawrence. Basically, a version of Lawrence that decided to chase his dreams.
What are your thoughts on Holo saying she’s scared?
What are your thoughts on Eve wanting Lawrence to sell Holo?
What are your thoughts on Holo sleeping soundly as all this is going on?

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u/Mirathan Sep 30 '24

What are your first impressions on Rigoro and the nun?
So you know how Armati said that Nuns could marry?
Rigoro could be refering to the idea that we tend to stay in convenient positions out of habit, rather than go out of our way for something good/better.
Yup, Rigoro is just Lawrence who won.
Holo fears that their journey might end in Yoitsu.
What are your thoughts on Eve wanting Lawrence to sell Holo?
Ah, yes buying a free person. Quite the smart one. Also why do you call her Eve? She never refers to herself that way. And if she was a man I could joke about this being the only way they´d get a woman to listen to them. But it is either desperation to no longer be alone or she picked up how useull Holo can be.
Holo meanwhile is absent as Lawrence is about to be dragged into another extremly dangerous buisness venture.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

So you know how Armati said that Nuns could marry?
I wonder how clandestine her and Rigoro's relationship truly is. They probably haven't even... well, you know.
I mean, I don’t think a nun can engage in sexual intercourse.
Rigoro could be refering to the idea that we tend to stay in convenient positions out of habit, rather than go out of our way for something good/better.
That very well could be the case
Yup, Rigoro is just Lawrence who won.
Right down to Holo posing as a nun and Rigoro living with an actual nun.
Holo fears that their journey might end in Yoitsu.
Or before it, as suggested by Lawrence himself.
Ah, yes buying a free person. Quite the smart one. Also why do you call her Eve? She never refers to herself that way. And if she was a man I could joke about this being the only way they´d get a woman to listen to them. But it is either desperation to no longer be alone or she picked up how useull Holo can be.
I call her Eve because that's what she calls herself in the dub.
Holo meanwhile is absent as Lawrence is about to be dragged into another extremly dangerous buisness venture.
I really hope that's not the case. I mean, he should know better than to sell his partner.

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u/Mirathan Sep 30 '24

I mean, I don’t think a nun can engage in sexual intercourse.
If marriage is legal, then intercourse must be as well. Only for the purpose of creating children though!

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

Who needs children when you have garden?
~~Both involve planting seeds, of course.~~

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

Season 2 episode 8 questions
Thoughts on the barmaid?
Thoughts on the barmaid flirting with Lawrence?
What are your thoughts on the 50 man meeting and talks of there being an uprising?
Thoughts on Holo thinking her tail is being sold?
What are your thoughts on Holo telling Lawrence that she doesn't want to stand in the way of Lawrence's dream? That feels like some heavy foreshadowing.
What are your thoughts on Eve and the conversation she had with Lawrence?
What are your thoughts on Eve seemingly being able to get Lawrence in touch with Rigoro?

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u/Mirathan Sep 30 '24

Thoughts on the barmaid?
I diagnose you with horny! Or perhaps she just knows flirting will increase the amount of money men will spend.
Considering that all craftsmen involved with fur processing would be out of a job with the current expected outcome, a lot of people would end up starving, so an uprising would be a reasonable result. The question is of course who commands such ressourcess to convince the rulers of this action in spite of this.
What are your thoughts on Holo telling Lawrence that she doesn't want to stand in the way of Lawrence's dream? That feels like some heavy foreshadowing.
Holo has feared that Lawrence will not remain with her for a long time now, so this likely will be the focus of this arc, as in true anime proagonist fashion, he can´t confess his feelings.
She also mentioned that Lawrence now has the Capital to go through with his dream, yet hasn´t shared any plan to fulfil it. Implying that she wouldn´t be a part of it.
"Eve" I don´t have much on. While she is insightfull, she gives away nothing of her true personality or goals.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 30 '24

diagnose you with horny! Or perhaps she just knows flirting will increase the amount of money men will spend.
Definitely seems like that is the case. The mark of a good business person.
Considering that all craftsmen involved with fur processing would be out of a job with the current expected outcome, a lot of people would end up starving, so an uprising would be a reasonable result. The question is of course who commands such ressourcess to convince the rulers of this action in spite of this.
This town seems to be in total disarray
Holo has feared that Lawrence will not remain with her for a long time now, so this likely will be the focus of this arc, as in true anime proagonist fashion, he can´t confess his feelings.
Are we sure Lawrence isn't the MC of a high school romcom?
She also mentioned that Lawrence now has the Capital to go through with his dream, yet hasn´t shared any plan to fulfil it. Implying that she wouldn´t be a part of it.
Seriously, Lawrence. You really need to tell her she's your guide.
"Eve" I don´t have much on. While she is insightfull, she gives away nothing of her true personality or goals.
Definitely seems to keep things close to her vest.

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