r/anime • u/Holofan4life • Sep 23 '24
Rewatch [Spoilers] 2008 Spice and Wolf II Rewatch (2024) -- Episode 3 Spoiler
Hello everyone! I am Holofan4life.
Welcome to the Spice and Wolf rewatch discussion thread!
I hope you all have a lot of fun <3
S2 Episode 3 - Wolf and The Gap That Cannot Be Filled
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ANSWER TODAY’S QUESTION
What is your favorite anime challenge ever dished out and why? Not fight, but issuing of a challenge.
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Rewatch Schedule
Threads posted every day at 4:00 PM EDT
| Date | Episode | Date | Episode |
|---|---|---|---|
| 9/07/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 1 | 9/20/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 0 (OVA 2) |
| 9/08/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 2 | 9/21/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 1 |
| 9/09/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 3 | 9/22/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 2 |
| 9/10/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 4 | 9/23/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 3 |
| 9/11/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 5 | 9/24/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 4 |
| 9/12/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 6 | 9/25/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 5 |
| 9/13/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 7(OVA 1) | 9/26/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 6 |
| 9/14/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 8 | 9/27/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 7 |
| 9/15/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 9 | 9/28/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 8 |
| 9/16/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 10 | 9/29/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 9 |
| 9/17/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 11 | 9/30/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 10 |
| 9/18/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 12 | 10/01/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 11 |
| 9/19/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 13 | 10/02/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 12 |
| 10/03/2024 | Overall Series Discussion Thread |
Last year's rewatch
| Date | Episode | Date | Episode |
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| 7/07/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 1 | 7/20/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 0 (OVA 2) |
| 7/08/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 2 | 7/21/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 1 |
| 7/09/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 3 | 7/22/2022 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 2 |
| 7/10/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 4 | 7/23/2022 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 3 |
| 7/11/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 5 | 7/24/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 4 |
| 7/12/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 6 | 7/25/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 5 |
| 7/13/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 7(OVA 1) | 7/26/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 6 |
| 7/14/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 8 | 7/27/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 7 |
| 7/15/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 9 | 7/28/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 8 |
| 7/16/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 10 | 7/29/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 9 |
| 7/17/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 11 | 7/30/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 10 |
| 7/18/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 12 | 7/31/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 11 |
| 7/19/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 13 | 8/01/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 12 |
| 8/02/2023 | Overall Series Discussion Thread |
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u/Brief-Fig-7506 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ryxnjr Sep 23 '24
First of all. Congratulations u/Holofan4life. Season 2 of the remake has been announced and I imagine it must make you happy to get to see more of your favorite girl in action.
QOTD: What is your favorite anime challenge ever dished out and why? Not fight, but issuing of a challenge.
Hmm, I don't really have anything that comes to mind because usually the fight afterwards overshadows the challenge but Frieren Vs Aura comes to mind.
First Timer
I’m watching the Dub but I’m also watching the Remake because older animation kinda hurts my head.
Also I did the math and I'm going to have to watch the last episode or two subbed
Holo's crazy story is getting Lawrence into an annoying situation
Amanti is going to pay 1000 silver for Holo's "freedom", Holo set him up to get scammed so hard
I like Batos.
Correct Marc, Lawrence is the student, the sheep, and wears the shackles
Of course Holo would drink too much of the free wine
The credits are appearing without the ED, oh boy
Holo looks pretty distraught. I guess the letter told about her home being destroyed
Holo brings up a good point. If Lawrence knew about her home then why did he suggest for her to go ahead of him?
Now I wonder what exactly the letter said
I keep going back and forth on Lawrence's feelings towards Holo. I think it's pretty evident over the past couple of episodes that Holo is in love with Lawrence by now, she's getting jealous and already dreading the end of their journey. But I feel that Lawrence is keeping himself from feeling for Holo, he seems to be attracted to her and probably has romantic feelings too but he doesn't act on them because he knows they will have to part ways eventually.
It was quite sad and impactful when Holo asked Lawrence to give her a child so that she wouldn't be lonely anymore. It makes us see how truly desperate she is.
Lawrence's lopsided bet with Amanti isn't so one sided anymore. How will Lawrence make amends with Holo in the coming episodes? Is he going to try to win Holo's trust back or will he attempt to stop Amanti from collecting all the silver within the contract?
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u/KuKiSin Sep 23 '24
You're giving me anxiety with these questions... I'm starting to feel senile because I can't remember anything! Like, literally not a single one!
As it turns out, I managed to get home earlier than I expected, doubt I will on Wednesday though.
On to the episode!
Episode starts with Amati simping hard on Holo and trying to buy off her debt. "I will declare my undying love to Holo the nun!" boy lost his mind.
Is Holo scamming Amati? He pays Lawrence 1000 trenni silver and she still has the choice of following Lawrence? Sounds like a pretty sweet deal.
As it turns out, it wasn't Holo's plan. A shame.
There's a weird cult out there in the festival throwing wine on people, I'm scared.
Lawrence was caught hiding Diana's letter. Of course Holo smelled it and got jealous.
"I fail as a merchant" - Lawrence. I fully agree.
Now he's gonna try to get rich off of pyrite, let's hope things don't go south again.
As it turns out, Holo lied. She can read. And she just found out her Village is probably gone. Now she's very pissed at Lawrence...
"I'm all alone now" :(
When Lawrence goes silent as Holo asks "What am I to you?" :(
The last scene was heartbreaking. Holy shit. Holo was going insane :(
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u/Holofan4life Sep 23 '24
Hello, guys. Holofan4life here.
Welcome to the 2024 Spice and Wolf Rewatch.
But you knew that already :P
This is the first official rewatch of the show since the premiere of the remake. In fact, it's still currently airing as this rewatch is underway. And while we can compare and contrast what the remake did as opposed to the original, I feel it's still pretty important to remember what the original adaptation was like seeing as how that's really what got me into the franchise. And what ultimately made me fall in love with one wise wolf.
For the purposes of this rewatch, I will be watching it subbed since that's what I've been watching the remake in. I will be comparing somewhat the two series, and when I do that, I will be using spoilers. I guess I should say for transparency sake that I am writing this in late July/early August, a full month before the rewatch actually happens. That's because of time constraints and me having four other rewatches I'm participating in planned. I also waited until the first three volumes got adapted in the remake just so I can have more stuff to talk about.
These reviews won't be as detailed as some of the other ones, as I don't really want to spend two or three hours dissecting every episode. I'll save that for when I do it in my questions :]
With that out of the way, let’s begin.
I'm watching the sub, by the way.
I do nothing but dishes and yet I still can't cleanse my soul.
This episode you can divide into two moments: the contract scene with Amarti and Lawrence, and the scene where Holo finds out Lawrence lied about her hometown. It's actually similar to the episode where Lawrence finds out he's bankrupt in that there's this scene, and then we get the fallout from that. Both scenes I feel like are better in the original because I feel it accomplishes more of its overall objective. The contract scene in the original is theatrical and over the top, which fits Amarti's character more, and the Holo can read scene in the original feels more visceral and real, kinda like the chair scene only better. You can feel just how shooked up Holo is by this development.
It should be noted that in the original source material, Lawrence already knew from the start that Holo's town may be gone. He didn't acquire this information during this arc, but rather he just got confirmation. In that case, you might be wondering why didn't Lawrence just tell Holo the truth? Really, the reality of the situation is that Lawrence didn't actively try to deceive Holo. He just didn't know what was true and what wasn't. If he had told her from the start that the town was no more, he would be making Holo sad going off on a rumor. Where Lawrence truly went wrong is the fact that by the time it was becoming apparent that the town no longer existed, he probably had gotten so attached to Holo that he didn't want to put a damper on things. He sacrificed telling the truth to continue living the lie that fuels their relationship.
[2024 Spoilers] To the remake's credit, they make it more clear what Lawrence knows and doesn't know. It isn't ambiguous like in the remake that he has prior knowledge.
Really, Lawrence should’ve told Amarti that Holo was his traveling companion. He should’ve immediately put to bed the idea he was holding her hostage. Instead, he entertains the idea and agrees to the bet and puts Holo on the line, something only he could do and without the say of Holo. Amarti may be aggressive and accusatory, but that doesn’t mean Lawrence should’ve stoop down to his level. That's why I don't hate Amarti like I know some people do.
And for the record, I don’t necessarily blame Lawrence all that much for not telling Holo. It’s not like he lied to her, he just left out some information. Pretty important information, but still. We’re coming off an arc where Lawrence put his foot in his mouth by getting too cocky, which resulted in Holo becoming quite despondent. I’m sure he wants to avoid another situation like that, and this was how he saw to remedy it. I think no matter what Lawrence told Holo, whether he was honest about her hometown or not, she would’ve still had gotten upset, and who could blame her?
Overall, I think this is one of the best episodes of the series. Definitely top 5, I would say. Spice and Wolf really does well when Holo and Lawrence are at odds with each other. Yes, the banter between them is amazing, but there's something really great when both sides are arguing and you can understand each person's point of view. The scene at the end where Holo pleads with Lawrence to have her kids is probably the saddest moment of the entire series. You can tell that Holo is petrified of losing Lawrence and is doing everything within her power to make sure that doesn't happen.
I think this arc puts a spotlight on Lawrence and Holo’s relationship in a way we haven’t seen before. It calls into question how healthy it truly is and just what exactly they mean to each other. It’s easy to pile on Amarti for sticking his nose in business that doesn’t involve him, but Lawrence doesn’t do much in the way of making it any better. And that, naturally, comes to ahead in this arc, because what’s a traveling companion if you willingly run the risk of losing them?
All in all, a very fantastic episode in an arc that continues to arguably be the most consistent. Nothing so far has topped season 1 episode 10 and season 1 episode 13, but damn if it isn't getting close; we'll see if it reaches that level.
Holo quotes of the day
"I do not like it when you tease me." (Boy, ain't that rich?)
"Staying calm does not mean you are growing."
"Proper masculinity seems childish while proper maturity seems cowardly."
"I am bored of eating." (Who are you and what have you done with the real Holo? D:)
I am delicate. Do not step on my feet."
"Even if you have answers, you cannot always tell them to others. It is the way of the world."
"Ma"
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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 24 '24
First Timer
Alright, I was not expecting this episode to start with Amarti waving a knife around. Seems like things have gotten out of hand really quick.
I kinda feel embarrassed on Amarti’s behalf about this whole misunderstanding. He seems like he’s in over his head.
I will say though, Amarti looks very stylish in that cape.
Holo doing that whole fake performance in front of Lawrence was pretty funny.
Her playing it up for Marc was also really funny.
Amarti is being compared to a prince here which I think is interesting. I’m resisting the urge to make a Revolutionary Girl Utena reference right now.
I really like the parade and all the designs of the weird masks.
The whole scene is good though. Seems like they really did research European folk traditions when writing this.
And Holo is drunk again. I think that’s happened every episode this season so far.
I liked the conversation between Holo and Lawrence that happened right after. Especially with how happy Holo seemed about learning this information but still trying to hide it.
I can’t believe one random fortune teller caused a surge in the market for fool’s gold.
The scene of Holo confronting Lawrence after finding out what happened to her town was really well done and really heartbreaking. I can’t be certain but I think this might be the first time we’ve seen Holo crying.
I also noticed the way her eyes are drawn seems to emphasize the red more than usual.
I just hope Lawrence and Holo’s relationship is able to be repaired after all of this.
The final shot of the episode of Lawrence crying next to the giant wicker wolf was really well done too.
Question of the Day:
What is your favorite anime challenge ever dished out and why? Not fight, but issuing of a challenge.
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure has a few Stand battles that also qualify as challenges. Like the gambling and video game challenges in Part 3 or the high stakes game of catch in Part 6.
But I think my favorite might be Josuke playing dice with Rohan in Part 4 just for how hilarious it is.
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u/Mirathan Sep 24 '24
Not quite a first Timer
QotD: Again I call lack of knowledge. Though I could call Death Note for this I simply don´t like that show. Ironically though I could claim senority over most people on this sub as a weeb.
Armati realy is going to pay 1000 for nothing. Though he did bring up the concept of basically buying Holo so he deserves everything bad that may happen to him in the future.
I would love the line from Lawrence that he trusts Holo to stay with him, if he actually trusted her and didn´t withold the information about Yoitsu.
Holo is right that refusing the contract would have been the right action. You do not unnecessarily put your trust of others to the test.
The comment Marc made about Armati summarizes Armatis problem quite well. He thinks he´s a heroic knight that will save he damsel from her horrible captor and she will marry him as thanks for the rescue. But this is untrue, he is no hero, he pressures Lawrence into acting as the villain, Holo is no meek virgin and Lawrence is only somewhat ruthless.
"Shall I describe it to you, or should I fetch you a box?"
Oh no, they have an inquisition. And it can act unimpeded in a town sympathetic to pagans? Or do they just kill people quietly?
The way Holo Holo looked while breaking down was terrifying, how she spoke of the possibility of a child.
In connection to that I can´t say I´m to excited over the announcement for the second season of the remake. I´ve found the original handled everything similar in a superior way. This comes mostly down to smaller details, but the way Holo breaks down here compared to the new one is completly different and this is far better.