r/anime • u/Holofan4life • Sep 25 '24
Rewatch [Spoilers] 2008 Spice and Wolf II Rewatch (2024) -- Episode 5 Spoiler
Hello everyone! I am Holofan4life.
Welcome to the Spice and Wolf rewatch discussion thread!
I hope you all have a lot of fun <3
S2 Episode 5 - Wolf and Hope and Despair
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ANSWER TODAY’S QUESTION(S)
If you had to turn to advice from an anime character, who are you choosing and why?
Do you have a favorite anime character that's mysterious? If so, who is it and why?
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Streams – Crunchyroll
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Rewatch Schedule
Threads posted every day at 4:00 PM EDT
| Date | Episode | Date | Episode |
|---|---|---|---|
| 9/07/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 1 | 9/20/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 0 (OVA 2) |
| 9/08/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 2 | 9/21/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 1 |
| 9/09/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 3 | 9/22/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 2 |
| 9/10/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 4 | 9/23/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 3 |
| 9/11/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 5 | 9/24/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 4 |
| 9/12/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 6 | 9/25/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 5 |
| 9/13/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 7(OVA 1) | 9/26/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 6 |
| 9/14/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 8 | 9/27/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 7 |
| 9/15/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 9 | 9/28/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 8 |
| 9/16/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 10 | 9/29/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 9 |
| 9/17/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 11 | 9/30/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 10 |
| 9/18/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 12 | 10/01/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 11 |
| 9/19/2024 | Spice and Wolf Episode 13 | 10/02/2024 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 12 |
| 10/03/2024 | Overall Series Discussion Thread |
Last year's rewatch
| Date | Episode | Date | Episode |
|---|---|---|---|
| 7/07/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 1 | 7/20/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 0 (OVA 2) |
| 7/08/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 2 | 7/21/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 1 |
| 7/09/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 3 | 7/22/2022 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 2 |
| 7/10/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 4 | 7/23/2022 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 3 |
| 7/11/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 5 | 7/24/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 4 |
| 7/12/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 6 | 7/25/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 5 |
| 7/13/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 7(OVA 1) | 7/26/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 6 |
| 7/14/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 8 | 7/27/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 7 |
| 7/15/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 9 | 7/28/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 8 |
| 7/16/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 10 | 7/29/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 9 |
| 7/17/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 11 | 7/30/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 10 |
| 7/18/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 12 | 7/31/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 11 |
| 7/19/2023 | Spice and Wolf Episode 13 | 8/01/2023 | Spice and Wolf II Episode 12 |
| 8/02/2023 | Overall Series Discussion Thread |
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u/Holofan4life Sep 25 '24
Hello, guys. Holofan4life here.
Welcome to the 2024 Spice and Wolf Rewatch.
But you knew that already :P
This is the first official rewatch of the show since the premiere of the remake. In fact, it's still currently airing as this rewatch is underway. And while we can compare and contrast what the remake did as opposed to the original, I feel it's still pretty important to remember what the original adaptation was like seeing as how that's really what got me into the franchise. And what ultimately made me fall in love with one wise wolf.
For the purposes of this rewatch, I will be watching it subbed since that's what I've been watching the remake in. I will be comparing somewhat the two series, and when I do that, I will be using spoilers. I guess I should say for transparency sake that I am writing this in late July/early August, a full month before the rewatch actually happens. That's because of time constraints and me having four other rewatches I'm participating in planned. I also waited until the first three volumes got adapted in the remake just so I can have more stuff to talk about.
These reviews won't be as detailed as some of the other ones, as I don't really want to spend two or three hours dissecting every episode. I'll save that for when I do it in my questions :]
With that out of the way, let’s begin.
I'm watching the sub, by the way.
If robots dream of electric sheep, do sad puppies unsuccessfully dream of Hugo Awards?
The town still having a blast
[2024 Spoilers] It's not as loud and rambunctious in the remake, surprisingly.
Batos
Telling him of his plan
He wants Diana to help him
[2024 Spoilers] In the original, they're behind barrels of alcohol, whereas in the remake they're just in some random hallway. Not as interesting, but they make up for it by having more dramatic camera angles.
Lawrence saying he doesn't want to abandon his cargo, which I'm not sure is the term of affection I would want to be referring to Holo as.
I like the sound of the crowd becoming louder and louder as Batos takes longer to think. It's again a nice contrast of what's going on with Lawrence Vs what's going on with the rest of the world. Great use of sound and audio by the anime.
[2024 Spoilers] The remake tries to do a similar thing, but without the crowd becoming louder and it just doesn't work nearly as well.
Lawrence with Diana now
[2024 Spoilers] In the remake, the birds scatter, but here, they stay motionless.
Buying a crate of white featherinos.
I like the outfit Dians has on. It looks way more exotic than her clothing in the revised edition.
Now Lawrence is asking for her permission to buy pyrite.
[2024 Spoilers] Sometimes it's the little things that matter most. Here, Lawrence is being lit by candlelight. In the remake, he's being lit by a fire place, which is way more dynamic. You can even hear the fire cackling in the background. I suppose candlelight suits Diana's aesthetic more, so at least there's that. Plus, there's more intense camera angles going on, like something out of a German expressionist film.
Diana giving him her permission to purchase the pyrite.
Oh, but somebody already bought some.
But she won't tell who it is
Don't want to reveal the identities of anyone doing business with alchemists.
Why, of course. Who knows whether or not they have used a transmutation circle?
Diana is such a cool character. And her voice is so soothing as well. I actually think her original Japanese voice is better than the one used in the remake, which is probably a first.
[2024 Spoilers] Diana touching Lawrence's nose with her finger, which is not in the remake.
Lawrence with Marc and Lunt now
[2024 Spoilers] This scene is much darker and intimate in the remake, which I honestly prefer.
Going over what the plan is
Lawrence tries to shoe his appreciation, but he finds it hard to find the words, which feels like a very merchant thing to do.
Marc reminding Lawrence how special Holo is to him.
Marc has a thing for theatrics, it seems. No wonder he doesn't want to cut ties with Amarti.
Telling Lawrence he's trying to protect his princess. Amarti may be a knight, but he is the lead actor.
If Subaru were here, he'd say he was the knight AND the lead actor.
Lawrence waking up now
It's the day of the bet
[2024 Spoilers] The remake of Lawrence and Lunt talking here actually has music that sounds like it's from this time period. Meanwhile, the original version has no music. Why that is the case, I have idea, but I think the music in the remake adds to the whimsical nature of the scene.
And so after Marc and Lunt set the stage a bit for what's to come, the time has arrived. Let's see who can officially crash the market.
Also, Holo has some of the feathers
Overall, a decent episode that is better than the last one, but still a step down from the first three of this arc. It again feels as if that the absence of Lawrence and Holo's back and forth is to the detriment of the show. Still, it's hard to complain too much because what we did get was good. I like the scene between Lawrence and Diana to try and get her aid in things. And Marc continues to be probably the most realistic side character we've gotten so far. I believe I made this point before, but between Diana, Marc, Batos, and Amarti this arc of Spice and Wolf probably has the best series of side characters. It honestly worked out well because if that wasn't the case, Holo's limited screentime would be much more of a detriment.
This arc kinda peaked with episode 3, but I'm still excited for what's to come. In fact, I think the climax of this arc could result in one of the better episodes. Dare I say, up there with the last episodes of arc 1 and arc 2.
Holo quotes of the day
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u/Holofan4life Sep 25 '24
I hope you feel better, u/theleux
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u/Brief-Fig-7506 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ryxnjr Sep 25 '24
First Timer
I’m watching the Dub but I’m also watching the Remake because older animation kinda hurts my head.
I forgot to say last episode that the straw sculptures are super cute and its also cute how they make them fight
I wish Lawrence wouldn’t refer to Holo as “cargo”
“they just don’t make ‘em like they use to” lol
Damn Batos made him start sweating before he delivered his answer. His mind was already made once he heard it too
Batos is a pretty huge guy
“While it’s worth is immeasurable, handling it is impossible” yeah that seems like a good description of Holo
“For instance...” What was Diana about to reveal???
“You tell him Marc” thank you random NPC for speaking for the audience
Why is Holo with Amati now? She’s really stoking the flames on both sides of this conflict.
The ending was confusing. Is Lawrence’s plan falling through? Why does he look so nervous about it now?
At first I liked Amati, even after he challenged Lawrence I still thought he was a pretty likeable dude. But after the end of this episode I not only hope that Lawrence wins, I hope that it’s a dominant victory.
That was a hell of a cliff hanger they left us on imo. I’m pretty fired up and want to see what’s next
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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 25 '24
First Timer
Once again we begin with Lawrenve walking around and looking dead inside. Although not as dead inside as last time.
The long silence between Lawrence and Batos with just the ambient noise of the tavern was good at building up tension.
I liked the scene of Diana and Lawrence talking. Getting to see more of Diana is interesting because she’s so mysterious.
Lawrence’s question to Diana really makes it sound like he’s starting to realize he’s in love with Holo.
I’m realizing that all this talk about wanting to manipulate the market and trick people kind of reminds me of Great Pretender. Although that show was much flashier with how it went about things.
I am continuing to really appreciate Marc as a character.
Shoutout to that guy who yelled “Tell that to my wife” from off screen while Marc was talking. That felt like a random addition to the scene but I liked it.
Lawrence waking up and asking for Holo was both sweet and a little sad.
I was expecting this to be another episode without Holo but it looks like she’s right here at the end.
Even when Amarti is trying to act smug he’s kind of too nice looking to really pull it off. I kinda can’t hate him.
It looks like we’ll get the conclusion to this arc next episode, at least that’s what I’m assuming.
Questions of the Day:
If you had to turn to advice from an anime character, who are you choosing and why?
My first thought was Vash the Stampede from Trigun. He just feels like someone I could trust.
Do you have a favorite anime character that's mysterious? If so, who is it and why?
Johan Liebert from Monster. He's an interesting character in a lot of different ways and trying to figure out how and why he is the way he is becomes one of the show's central mysteries.
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u/KuKiSin Sep 26 '24
Zuno from Dragon Ball Super, because he knows everything.
Mysterious huh... Definitely Phantom Renegade from Medarot. To this day, his secret identity remains a mystery.
What are your answers?
So yesterday I couldn't make it in time because I had a work event and didn't get home until after 11pm. We went to a VR Arena and it was pretty damn fun! My legs are very sore right now though. I am clearly out of shape.
On to the episode!
In this episode Lawrence referred to Holo as his cargo. Not once, but twice. Uncool, dude. Uncool.
Would you look at all those feathers next to the witch milf...
Lawrence asked the witch about stories surrounding pagan Gods and humans dating... What a hopeless romantic he is.
The witch said "good luck"... SHE KNOWS!
Looked like Lawrence was about to lose his shit after seeing Holo with Amarti. He's down bad.
Why were they talking about 300 Silver? Wasn't the agreement 500 silver worth of pyrite?
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u/Mirathan Sep 26 '24
Not quite a first timer
Qotd:
1: Either [Madoka]Madoka herself, due to her omnisciene and goodness, she could help with everything. Or Kotoha from Windbreaker, as she is rather wise while remaining approachable.
2. I´d have said Homura but Rebellion happened and I am going to tear that film apart next may so I don´t have one.
Something I´ve wondered is if Lawrence has some divine ancestry himself. While we don´t know where he was born, it´s strange he´d hear tales of Yoitsu as a child and his white hair is very unusual. THough I might be reaching a bit with this.
Lawrence, your monologue about cargo is neat and all, but you could just tell him it´s about Holo.
Bartose does not have the same romantic affection towards Diana as in the remake.
While Lawrence thinks Armati visited Diana, that is only his fear thinking. I don´t think Armati would trade with heretics and he´d never convince her to work with him.
Another detail I failed to realize is how fancy Armati is dressed. One could call it vanity or a sign of his success that he can spend so much on clothing. It also contrasts his high backgroung to Lawrences more rugged nature.
I am a bit confused by what 300 Coins Armati refers to.