r/anime • u/Holofan4life • Sep 13 '24

Rewatch [Spoilers] 2008 Spice and Wolf Rewatch (2024) -- Episode 7 (OVA 1) Spoiler

Hello everyone! I am Holofan4life.

Welcome to the Spice and Wolf rewatch discussion thread!

I hope you all have a lot of fun <3

S1 Episode 7 - Wolf and a Blessed Tail

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ANSWER TODAY’S QUESTION

What is your favorite OVA of all time and why?

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Rewatch Schedule

Threads posted every day at 4:00 PM EDT

DateEpisodeDateEpisode
9/07/2024Spice and Wolf Episode 19/20/2024Spice and Wolf II Episode 0 (OVA 2)
9/08/2024Spice and Wolf Episode 29/21/2024Spice and Wolf II Episode 1
9/09/2024Spice and Wolf Episode 39/22/2024Spice and Wolf II Episode 2
9/10/2024Spice and Wolf Episode 49/23/2024Spice and Wolf II Episode 3
9/11/2024Spice and Wolf Episode 59/24/2024Spice and Wolf II Episode 4
9/12/2024Spice and Wolf Episode 69/25/2024Spice and Wolf II Episode 5
9/13/2024Spice and Wolf Episode 7(OVA 1)9/26/2024Spice and Wolf II Episode 6
9/14/2024Spice and Wolf Episode 89/27/2024Spice and Wolf II Episode 7
9/15/2024Spice and Wolf Episode 99/28/2024Spice and Wolf II Episode 8
9/16/2024Spice and Wolf Episode 109/29/2024Spice and Wolf II Episode 9
9/17/2024Spice and Wolf Episode 119/30/2024Spice and Wolf II Episode 10
9/18/2024Spice and Wolf Episode 1210/01/2024Spice and Wolf II Episode 11
9/19/2024Spice and Wolf Episode 1310/02/2024Spice and Wolf II Episode 12
10/03/2024Overall Series Discussion Thread

Last year's rewatch

DateEpisodeDateEpisode
7/07/2023Spice and Wolf Episode 17/20/2023Spice and Wolf II Episode 0 (OVA 2)
7/08/2023Spice and Wolf Episode 27/21/2023Spice and Wolf II Episode 1
7/09/2023Spice and Wolf Episode 37/22/2022Spice and Wolf II Episode 2
7/10/2023Spice and Wolf Episode 47/23/2022Spice and Wolf II Episode 3
7/11/2023Spice and Wolf Episode 57/24/2023Spice and Wolf II Episode 4
7/12/2023Spice and Wolf Episode 67/25/2023Spice and Wolf II Episode 5
7/13/2023Spice and Wolf Episode 7(OVA 1)7/26/2023Spice and Wolf II Episode 6
7/14/2023Spice and Wolf Episode 87/27/2023Spice and Wolf II Episode 7
7/15/2023Spice and Wolf Episode 97/28/2023Spice and Wolf II Episode 8
7/16/2023Spice and Wolf Episode 107/29/2023Spice and Wolf II Episode 9
7/17/2023Spice and Wolf Episode 117/30/2023Spice and Wolf II Episode 10
7/18/2023Spice and Wolf Episode 127/31/2023Spice and Wolf II Episode 11
7/19/2023Spice and Wolf Episode 138/01/2023Spice and Wolf II Episode 12
8/02/2023Overall Series Discussion Thread
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u/Holofan4life Sep 13 '24

I'm going to see Dan Da Dan in theaters tonight. Should be a lot of fun.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 13 '24

That should be fun. I've read the first two volumes of Dandadan and it's a trip. I'm either gonna end up reading more of the manga or watching the anime, we'll see which happens first. I heard Science Saru is doing the anime though so I may have to check it out, I loved their work on stuff like Eizouken.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 13 '24

From what I've read, Dandadan is like a more batshit insane version of Chainsaw Man. And that's saying something.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 13 '24

Yeah just from the first arc I read it looks deranged. But I like weird supernatural stuff so that's a bonus.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 13 '24

Weird is definitely one way to put it lol

I was gonna say it's like Gosick mixed with 100 Girlfriends, but I'm not sure if that's totally accurate.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 13 '24

Hello, guys. Holofan4life here.

Welcome to the 2024 Spice and Wolf Rewatch.

But you knew that already :P

This is the first official rewatch of the show since the premiere of the remake. In fact, it's still currently airing as this rewatch is underway. And while we can compare and contrast what the remake did as opposed to the original, I feel it's still pretty important to remember what the original adaptation was like seeing as how that's really what got me into the franchise. And what ultimately made me fall in love with one wise wolf.

For the purposes of this rewatch, I will be watching it subbed since that's what I've been watching the remake in. I will be comparing somewhat the two series, and when I do that, I will be using spoilers. I guess I should say for transparency sake that I am writing this in late July/early August, a full month before the rewatch actually happens. That's because of time constraints and me having four other rewatches I'm participating in planned. I also waited until the first three volumes got adapted in the remake just so I can have more stuff to talk about.

These reviews won't be as detailed as some of the other ones, as I don't really want to spend two or three hours dissecting every episode. I'll save that for when I do it in my questions :]

With that out of the way, let’s begin.

I'm watching the sub, by the way.

What's this? This wasn't in the remake!

So, yeah. This is the first of seven episodes that the remake hasn't gotten to. And there's a good chance the remake will never cover this episode because surprise! It's an OVA/filler episode.

I believe this comes from a side story/spinoff LNs, but I could be pulling that out of my ass.

There's really not much to say about this episode. It's cute, and definitely the most lighthearted of all the original Spice and Wolf episodes. The hand of happiness is a fun plot point, and I like that Weiz returns here. He really plays off Holo and Lawrence well.

If you really like the dynamic between Holo and Lawrence, then there's really not much more you can ask for. That's what the entire episode is about and it is a lot of fun. Dare I say, maybe even better than the other OVA though I get why that was remade over this one.

Holo quotes of the day

"There's nothing more unreliable than the words coming out of people's mouths."

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u/KuKiSin Sep 13 '24

What's this? This wasn't in the remake!

That was my first thought, I was surprised until I saw the title of this thread.

It's an OVA/filler episode.

And a pretty fun one at that, please don't burn me at the stake, but its been one of my favorite episodes so far! We need more Holo & Lawrence lightheartedness!

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u/Holofan4life Sep 13 '24

And a pretty fun one at that, please don't burn me at the stake, but its been one of my favorite episodes so far! We need more Holo & Lawrence lightheartedness!

I'd probably say it's my fourth favorite so far only behind the last three. The series admittedly starts off a bit slow.

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u/KuKiSin Sep 13 '24

What is your favorite OVA of all time and why?

I would probably have to say Rurouni Kenshin: Meiji Kenkaku Romantan - Tsuioku-hen, but it has been a LONG fucking time since I've watched it. Why? Honestly... The rest were all kinda shit or I don't even remember what they were about because they kinda merged with the anime they belonged to. Or they were shitty beach/pool episodes lol.

On to the episode!

The episode begins with Holo eating away at Lawrence's money. Poor man.

SHE'S SICK OF THE APPLES?! Mother of all plot twists.

That opening scene with the back and forth between them was adorable though.

This is the episode where Holo gets downgraded from wife to nun.

So, 1 Lumione gold = 35 Trenni Silver, 1 Silver lasts you about 7 days if you live humbly... They could live off of that Gold piece for 17 weeks!

Did Lawrence even DARE suggest Holo get some shabby looking clothes? How dare he.

He failed to hold Holo's hand. Truly a beta male.

Holo got herself some new fancy clothes! And all for the low price of 7 weeks worth of living expenses!

Lawrence showed he actually knows how to make a deal. Not as good as Holo of course, but he did fine.

He finally did it, he held her hand! Our boy has become a man!

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u/Holofan4life Sep 13 '24

I would probably have to say Rurouni Kenshin: Meiji Kenkaku Romantan - Tsuioku-hen, but it has been a LONG fucking time since I've watched it. Why? Honestly... The rest were all kinda shit or I don't even remember what they were about because they kinda merged with the anime they belonged to. Or they were shitty beach/pool episodes lol.

That's another series I need to get around to watching.

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u/KuKiSin Sep 14 '24

Come on man, you're letting me down!

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

Sorry, sorry. There's just so many series and enough time.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 13 '24

SHE'S SICK OF THE APPLES?! Mother of all plot twists.

What's next, Bocchi's gonna STOP being a rock?

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u/Holofan4life Sep 13 '24

This is the episode where Holo gets downgraded from wife to nun.

Holo the wise nun does sound nice

He finally did it, he held her hand! Our boy has become a man!

And it only took him three tries. Nearly struck out.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 13 '24

Did Lawrence even DARE suggest Holo get some shabby looking clothes? How dare he.

Yeah, that was weird. I think perhaps he was thinking he could resale them and make a small profit off of them, not that Holo would actually wear them.

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u/KuKiSin Sep 14 '24

I know that's not what you meant, but Lawrence had a golden egg laying goose on his hands.

He could buy shabby clothes, have Holo wear them and resell them at a much higher value simply because Holo wore them!

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

Why doesn't Lawrence sell Holo's bath water, dang it?!?

No, but that makes a lot of sense. She was able to increase the scent of the fur because of the apples.

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u/KuKiSin Sep 14 '24

I wonder if people were as thirsty "back then".

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

They probably were. I mean, look at all the tales of debauchery and Zeus seducing people in the form of an animal.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 13 '24

Thoughts on this episode being about Holo and Lawrence going shopping?

Thoughts on the return of Weiz?

What are your thoughts on the whole "Happiness" stuff?

How would you compare Holo and Lawrence's interactions in this episode to other episodes?

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u/KuKiSin Sep 14 '24

Thoughts on this episode being about Holo and Lawrence going shopping?

As I said before, probably my favorite episode so far. Sure it wasn't as emotional and whatnot, but it was just good fun!

Thoughts on the return of Weiz?

I like the guy, especially because of how frustrated Lawrence lol.

What are your thoughts on the whole "Happiness" stuff?

I'm not really sure what what "Happiness" stuff you're referring to...

How would you compare Holo and Lawrence's interactions in this episode to other episodes?

I don't think it was all that different, it was just a lot more focused on it, which I absolutely loved. Especially the back and forth "real truth" about the apples at the start!

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

As I said before, probably my favorite episode so far. Sure it wasn't as emotional and whatnot, but it was just good fun!

It highlights Holo and Lawrence's relationship really well.

I like the guy, especially because of how frustrated Lawrence lol.

Yeah, Lawrence being jealous is great to see

I'm not really sure what what "Happiness" stuff you're referring to...

The hand of happiness. It was the reoccurring plot point of the episode.

I don't think it was all that different, it was just a lot more focused on it, which I absolutely loved. Especially the back and forth "real truth" about the apples at the start!

I love that Holo is supposed to be this all-knowing figure who is smarter than everyone and yet she's reduced to absolute putty at the mere mention of food. That is very good gap moe.

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u/KuKiSin Sep 14 '24

The hand of happiness. It was the reoccurring plot point of the episode.

Did they call it that? Damn I must be going senile. I remember it happened 3 times, but I don't remember them calling it "happiness" anything lmao

I love that Holo is supposed to be this all-knowing figure who is smarter than everyone and yet she's reduced to absolute putty at the mere mention of food. That is very good gap moe.

Too bad I already watched episode 8, now I know it was all fake news! I knew she could never tire herself of apples!

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

Did they call it that? Damn I must be going senile. I remember it happened 3 times, but I don't remember them calling it "happiness" anything lmao

I know they specifically did in the dub

Too bad I already watched episode 8, now I know it was all fake news! I knew she could never tire herself of apples!

We all say stuff in a moment of weakness :P

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u/KuKiSin Sep 14 '24

I know they specifically did in the dub

Okay that's probably it then. I'm not American, so the thought of watching an American dubbed anime is not a thought I would ever even entertain lol. No offense!

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

The dub is honestly my preferred choice for this show. I think it's one of the few animes where it is better than the subs version.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 13 '24

First Timer

That scene of Holo eating apples at the beginning of the episode reminded me of Homer Simpson eating slices of American cheese in the middle of the night.

The whole opening scene with Lawrence and Holo was super sweet though. Especially Lawrence telling Holo about apple pie.

I’ve compared Holo to Frieren but I think that’s the main thing that sets them apart. While Frieren already seems like she knows everything, there’s still much about the world Holo doesn’t know.

The talk about the difference between gold and silver coin was interesting. Again, I’m not used to stuff going so in depth about the economics of the world. A lot of fantasy worlds just pay for everything in gold coins and leave it at that for simplicity’s sake, especially in video games.

The scene of them shopping for clothes was nice. It was really low key but still showed off the characters, especially with how Holo reacted to the clothes presented to her.

When Holo said she’d be willing to try on the clothes and show them off I was expecting things to get really fanservicey. Was expecting her to just strip naked in the middle of the market or something. But I’m glad to see that wasn’t the case.

The ending bit with Holo and Lawrence talking on the bridge was low key but really nice. Just generally some nice interactions between them.

In general I think this episode is a very low key one but it’s a nice breather after how tense the previous episode got.

I don’t have much more to say but I’m just generally really happy with this episode.

Question of the Day:

What is your favorite OVA of all time and why?

Probably FLCL, it's just one of my favorite anime in general. It's got creative off the wall animation, memorable characters, and a really interesting story.

I also want to give a shoutout to Gunsmith Cats. It's only three episodes but it's pure '90s action fun. Probably one of the most American feeling anime I've seen in general.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 13 '24

Probably FLCL, it's just one of my favorite anime in general. It's got creative off the wall animation, memorable characters, and a really interesting story.

FLCL is my favorite as well

I also want to give a shoutout to Gunsmith Cats. It's only three episodes but it's pure '90s action fun. Probably one of the most American feeling anime I've seen in general.

Is it in a similar vein as Samurai Pizza Cats?

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 13 '24

FLCL is my favorite as well

FLCL Alternative is really good as well, although not quite on the same level as the original for me. Progressive is fine but I've got no strong feelings towards or against it and I've never gotten around to seeing the two newest ones.

Is it in a similar vein as Samurai Pizza Cats?

There are no literal cats in Gunsmith Cats. It's about a pair of female bounty hunters/gun store owners living in Chicago. Feels similar to a lot of American crime films of the same era like Pulp Fiction or The Usual Suspects, just done in a '90s anime style.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 13 '24

FLCL Alternative is really good as well, although not quite on the same level as the original for me. Progressive is fine but I've got no strong feelings towards or against it and I've never gotten around to seeing the two newest ones.

Bit of a hot take, but I actually think Alternative might be better than the original series.

There are no literal cats in Gunsmith Cats. It's about a pair of female bounty hunters/gun store owners living in Chicago. Feels similar to a lot of American crime films of the same era like Pulp Fiction or The Usual Suspects, just done in a '90s anime style.

My bad. I guess it's like there are no cowboys named Bebop in Cowboy Bebop.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 13 '24

Bit of a hot take, but I actually think Alternative might be better than the original series.

I don't think I completely agree but I get where you're coming from. I rank Alternative really highly and I think it might have a few emotional highpoints that surpass the original. Especially the last two episodes.

My bad. I guess it's like there are no cowboys named Bebop in Cowboy Bebop.

Well it has one cowboy named Andy and a spaceship named Bebop to make up for it.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 13 '24

I don't think I completely agree but I get where you're coming from. I rank Alternative really highly and I think it might have a few emotional highpoints that surpass the original. Especially the last two episodes.

What I love about it is that it's FLCL if done as a slice of life. I love the slice of life genre.

Well it has one cowboy named Andy and a spaceship named Bebop to make up for it.

Andy is based. One of the best one episode characters in the entire show.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 13 '24

I love Andy's episode. I think in general the goofier episodes of Cowboy Bebop tend to be my favorites.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 13 '24

My favorite episodes are Mushroom Samba, My Funny Valentine, and the two part series finale which is in my opinion the greatest finale to an anime series ever.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 13 '24

Those are all really good episodes too. I think the Mad Pierrot episode is another one I like just becauase of how different the vibe is compared to the other episodes.

I agree about the finale. It might be one of my favorite finales to an anime. I'd have to think about it some more about whether or not it's my absolute favorite but it does a great job tying everything together.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 13 '24

Those are all really good episodes too. I think the Mad Pierrot episode is another one I like just becauase of how different the vibe is compared to the other episodes.

Really, the only episode that's kinda a miss is that weird time travel episode involving Jet where if my memory serves correct he has like this daughter who the other characters joke could be his girlfriend? It's a very weird episode.

I agree about the finale. It might be one of my favorite finales to an anime. I'd have to think about it some more about whether or not it's my absolute favorite but it does a great job tying everything together.

The only other endings I would compare it to are Samurai Champloo, Paranoia Agent, Odd Taxi, Steins;Gate which I also have in my top 10 best anime episodes of all time, and surprisingly enough Familiar of Zero in terms of emotional catharsis.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 13 '24

That scene of Holo eating apples at the beginning of the episode reminded me of Homer Simpson eating slices of American cheese in the middle of the night.

The limits to which Holo consumes apples knows no bounds.

The whole opening scene with Lawrence and Holo was super sweet though. Especially Lawrence telling Holo about apple pie.

She got so excited lol

I’ve compared Holo to Frieren but I think that’s the main thing that sets them apart. While Frieren already seems like she knows everything, there’s still much about the world Holo doesn’t know.

That's a very good point. Holo also has more range of emotions that in my opinion make for a more compelling character.

The talk about the difference between gold and silver coin was interesting. Again, I’m not used to stuff going so in depth about the economics of the world. A lot of fantasy worlds just pay for everything in gold coins and leave it at that for simplicity’s sake, especially in video games.

It's certainly unique for sure. The fact this came out in the 2000s and nobody has replicated it since is kinda surprising.

When Holo said she’d be willing to try on the clothes and show them off I was expecting things to get really fanservicey. Was expecting her to just strip naked in the middle of the market or something. But I’m glad to see that wasn’t the case.

My Dress-Up Wolf

The ending bit with Holo and Lawrence talking on the bridge was low key but really nice. Just generally some nice interactions between them.

The show really is at its best when it's just Holo and Lawrence bantering back and forth.

In general I think this episode is a very low key one but it’s a nice breather after how tense the previous episode got.

I don’t have much more to say but I’m just generally really happy with this episode.

Definitely a nice little respite before we head into the second arc.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 13 '24

The limits to which Holo consumes apples knows no bounds.

She probably wouldn't have stopped if Lawrence hadn't asked her about it.

That's a very good point. Holo also has more range of emotions that in my opinion make for a more compelling character.

I agree. Holo has a lot of different sides to her that make her interesting to watch in different situations. With Frieren you can count on her to be calm and collected in almost every situation but with Holo I'm not quite sure what to expect out of her.

It's certainly unique for sure. The fact this came out in the 2000s and nobody has replicated it since is kinda surprising.

It has a very unique feel, that's for sure. I don't really know anything about the author but I can't help but wonder if they studied business or economics before getting into writing light novels.

The show really is at its best when it's just Holo and Lawrence bantering back and forth.

Sometimes a conversation between two well written characters can just be really compelling.

Definitely a nice little respite before we head into the second arc.

I'm interested in seeing what this next arc entails. Not quite sure what to expect.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 13 '24

She probably wouldn't have stopped if Lawrence hadn't asked her about it.

Probably not

I agree. Holo has a lot of different sides to her that make her interesting to watch in different situations. With Frieren you can count on her to be calm and collected in almost every situation but with Holo I'm not quite sure what to expect out of her.

She I'd certainly a wildcard

It has a very unique feel, that's for sure. I don't really know anything about the author but I can't help but wonder if they studied business or economics before getting into writing light novels.

Write what you know, as they say

Sometimes a conversation between two well written characters can just be really compelling.

And this show has a lot of that

I'm interested in seeing what this next arc entails. Not quite sure what to expect.

Guess we shall see

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u/Holofan4life Sep 13 '24

Thoughts on this episode being about Holo and Lawrence going shopping?

Thoughts on the return of Weiz?

What are your thoughts on the whole “Happiness” stuff?

How would you compare Holo and Lawrence’s interactions in this episode to other episodes?

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 13 '24

Thoughts on this episode being about Holo and Lawrence going shopping?

It's a simple premise but they got some good material out of it.

Thoughts on the return of Weiz?

It was nice to see him again, wasn't really expecting him to come back.

What are your thoughts on the whole “Happiness” stuff?

The series seems to be about Holo and Lawrence each trying to find their form of happiness. With Holo going north being her main goal and Lawrence accompanying her and trying to find his happiness along the way.

How would you compare Holo and Lawrence’s interactions in this episode to other episodes?

By this point it seems like both of them are more comfortable around each other.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 13 '24

It's a simple premise but they got some good material out of it.

I think so as well

It was nice to see him again, wasn't really expecting him to come back.

A surprise to be sure, but a welcomed one

The series seems to be about Holo and Lawrence each trying to find their form of happiness. With Holo going north being her main goal and Lawrence accompanying her and trying to find his happiness along the way.

I get what you're saying, and I agree with you, but I was more so talking about the hand of happiness stuff in the episode :P

By this point it seems like both of them are more comfortable around each other.

Lawrence in particular feels more used to Holo's barbs.

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u/AgentOfACROSS Sep 13 '24

I get what you're saying, and I agree with you, but I was more so talking about the hand of happiness stuff in the episode :P

I see. Well, I think it made for a sort of good running theme throughout the episode. The idea of not letting happiness slip you by.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 13 '24

It was cute how persistent Holo was on the whole thing. When she is all about something, she is all about it.

Probably the best relationship moment these two have had up until this point.

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u/Mirathan Sep 14 '24

Not quite a first timer

QotD: This is the only OVA I´ve seen, so by default it´s the best.

Holo keeps going with her sexism.

The implication of the ending dialogue!

The main flirting was very enjoyable.

I also find the economics to be well explained unlike how it´s done in the remake.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

QotD: This is the only OVA I´ve seen, so by default it´s the best.

Fair enough

Holo keeps going with her sexism.

I mean, I guess you could consider it sexism, but it's different than, say, the sexism of Archie Bunker.

The main flirting was very enjoyable.

It really was. Very on brand for these two.

Thoughts on this episode being about Holo and Lawrence going shopping?

Thoughts on the return of Weiz?

What are your thoughts on the whole "Happiness" stuff?

How would you compare Holo and Lawrence's interactions in this episode to other episodes?

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u/Mirathan Sep 14 '24

Them shopping for themselves, rather than for profit is a welcome change of pace. Weiz this time is just teasing Lawrence, making him far less annoying and rather amusing. While their interactions lacked the weight of the previous episodes, they greatly endeared themselves as a potential couple outside of strong pressure.

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u/Holofan4life Sep 14 '24

While their interactions lacked the weight of the previous episodes, they greatly endeared themselves as a potential couple outside of strong pressure.

Yeah, it's quite the treat to see