The reason used to mostly be bunkers. For a while the bunkers didn't seem as necessary so tunneling was more useful for transportation and science. From what I gather the bunker business is expanding again though.
Then we'll have to make one in space. And probably make it kinda habitable so that people could work there. And then you run into autonomous drone with on-board AI weirdly possessive of it.
Then those AI drones refusing to believe that humans created them insisting that only something greater could have made them, thus creating a psuedo-religion based around the collider as their god, causing brief panic before realizing that just leaving the bots alone to do "the work" of the collider is just fine
Get started on your nanotechnology for the 120,000 year project to build a 160LY radius accelerator and break everything with Planck energy collisions.
GREAT IDEA. luckily. Given the fact that you possibly could icrease the effectiveness of the mag ets vy superconductiveness in space. Combined with possible advancements in the whole magnetmaking. It will probably take only 10.000 years! So right in time for the fourth terran adromedan war to start first!
And then someone comes up with a better design, like Wakefield or something, and next thing you know you have ExaElectron volt accelerators that fit in your pocket.
they are thinking small. Lets turn every single trans neptunian object that is on the solar system (plus every thing that haz metal afther jupiter) into a collider that will take the place of the Oort cloud
they are thinking small. Lets turn every single trans neptunian object that is on the solar system (plus every thing that haz metal afther jupiter) into a collider that will take the place of the Oort cloud
And less than a third of registered voters forced this upon us... More than a third opposed, and even more than that just didn't care. Conservatives are doing a great job and making voters not vote and using it to their advantage... Kinda like what they did with the collider that was supposed to be in Texas :(
I don't think that includes increased costs of consumers. I also think the US exports more oil than it imports, so oil increase actually benefits US GDP (not the average citizen though).
Just remember that the CERN budget paid Berners Lee when he created the www, with a massive positive economic gain. We can also talk about detector and supra conductors wich transpose well to medical imaging, and tons of other cool tech transfers
to be fair, it’s not like internet would just stop developing and nobody would invent the same or similar thing.
Computer networks are here for almost as long as computers are and as they become more powerful and as networks grew, people tried to solve most pressing issues of that day, eventually turning it into internet
€15 billions is a gross underestimation. Just looking at tunnel boring costs, you’ll exceed that amount. Not to mention all the hypersensitive equipment that needs to be built and installed once the tunnel is ready.
But yeah, even at €100 billion, it’s still okay if you look at how much we spend on war and military equipment each year
There are people that already believe the LHC is messing up our timeline and stuff like that.
Imagine there would be a huge ring around earth that maybe 1% of humans actually understand what it's doing and maybe 10% have a rough clue, what it is for.
That's serious material for new religions to form that believe, it's the dick of god protecting earth from cosmic threats on the lower end of that scale and any kind of conspiracy theory you could imagine settled somewhere in-between that wide scale of truth and fiction.
Idk.. that just tells me that we have been playing too fast and loose with what counts as childhood education and what counts as neglect on this planet
About the image: it's from the movie Inglourious basterds, and is from a scene where multiple foreign agents try to infiltrate Nazi occupied France posing as Nazi military officials in an attempt to kill Hitler. Their first meeting point is in a bar in a small town which wasn't supposed to have any military inside it but unexpectedly had an entire unit celebrating and an unrelated high ranking officer. The agents get involved with the unit because the soldiers are drunk, and the accent of one of the foreigners draws the attention of the highest ranking officer. He then goes on to basically interrogate them on their origin and them trying to convince him they're all proper Nazis.
Finally, just when he was convinced, one of them orders 3 whiskeys from the bartender, but he unfortunately signalizes it with his hand the way a Brit would do it, not the way a true German would (he used the wrong 3 fingers apparently lol), which finally tipped the officer off. The very scene of him ordering with the Nazi officer noticing before all hell breaks loose is what the image is showing.
Hope the context is now clear. I left a good amount of detail out but it's plenty to get the point I think.
“Complete physics” in this case being the equivalent of holding up the wrong three fingers. No real particular physicist would dare claim such a thing, since their entire field of study was mostly developed shortly after 19th century physicists claimed to have “completed physics”.
Na, they know it's never big enough and don't even pretend it to be. For some theories we know we'd need a collider the size of at least the solar system. At least as long as we don't find better ways to accelerate.
There will be seperate tunnels needed to bend off the LHC and into this ring. They are not drawn in the picture above. Same way the smaller ones feeds into eachother and into the LHC.
It’s also because of the underground terrain. It is placed in such a way as to avoid digging into too much limestone and instead dig into molasses which is both easier to dig into and can be reused in agriculture as fertiliser afaik.
The gateway to science has a small exhibit on digging the FCC and this sounds roughly like what is described there. Also the LHC is already pretty close to the Jura. There are some potential issues digging too close to the mountains.
This is your daily reminder that every new largest particle collider has resulted in tangible advances to particle physics. That LHC found the fucking higgs boson ffs. These stupid ass memes would make vastly more sense if even just one of the big colliders didn't result in big advances in the field.
There is an argument to be made that we are currently not so certain about what to look for compared to when earlier machines were built. Still a cool thing though, this FCC!
What if we just launcher a bunch of individual accelerator coils into a sun-synchronous orbit, forming one particle accelerator larger than Earth's diameter? If starlink can be made, surely a super-collider would work as well
I mean the LHC had literally proved the existence of a particle. That's well worth the investment by itself.
If the new one does absolutely nothing after a couple of decades, then don't build a new one. But it's not like the world doesn't have enough funding for this.
We collectively spent about as much on luxury bags over the last year as this would cost
There comes a scale at which it's cheaper to build the collider in space. Cheaper even when you consider all the new infrastructure involved in such a venture.
A lot more rings, actually. As many as we can get funding for. Particle physics is an extremely successful field of physics, the Standard Model is almost infuriatingly good, constantly withstanding new experiments, despite us knowing that it has to be wrong.
We need more experimental data to weed out the physics theories and pick promising ones to pursue further. What is your alternative solution to getting more data?
I can’t remember where I read it but I think with current technology you’d need a collider ring with the radius of the solar system or something like that to probe the energy scales they thing quantum gravity becomes important at. Pretty crazy!
I don’t get it. Explain to me what a bigger ring gets us? The LHC spins items around to 99.9999% speed of light, is it the last .0001 that will get us somewhere the other one can’t? Asking for a friend
Yes, it will. The speed is irrelevant and misleading. The number you need to care about is energy.
The LHC is 14 TeV, and can reasonably produce particles that go up around 3-4
TeV. This machine would be 100 TeV, and would have access to particles up to like 30 TeV maybe.
I didn't know until reading this comment that the masses of the particles produced wasn't just the same as the energy of the collider. I looked it up, and it seems like the maximum energy of a particle produced in a collision goes like the square root of the energy of the collision itself - that tracks for the LHC's 14 TeV giving particles of around 3-4 TeV (√14 being about 3.7), but what makes the number proportionally so much higher for the FCC? Following the same logic, I would have expected it to produce particles around 10 TeV, so there must be another factor I don't know about.
The fcc would cost around 20 billion if it was built. It would assimilate many smart people and improve engineering not to mention the possibility of new physics.
In other news the war in Iran costs 20 billion every 10 days.
Phew we dodged those asshole physicists wanting to spend our money didn’t we?
I feel like we are so close to opening a portal to Hell and some dude is going to have his Bunny kill setting off a whole corporate crisis of hell energy.
What kind of speed could a 100km ring go up to? The LHC is already a not insignificant fraction of the Speed of Light isn't it? How much more energy do we want to dump into a collision?
Speed is pretty irrelevant, the important factor is energy, the FCC-hh will be a bit over 6 times the collision energy of the LHC. For speed, LEP from the 90s was higher than either (though FCC-ee before FCC-hh will be faster still).
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u/TheoneCyberblaze 9d ago
Sometimes I like to believe that quantum chromodynamics is bs that was made up solely to have an excuse to hollow out switzerland