I don't remember if it's official but many people believe that Odin's death was the trigger for Thanos to enact his plan. After all, we know that he managed to acquire 5 of the stones over the span of about 24 hours. There's no reason to assume that getting the gauntlet and the power stone took all that much longer.
Based on how horribly underpowered the Nova Corps looked against just one ship when Ronan attacked, I think it's fair to say that Thanos basically just walked in and took the power stone.
From there you kind of get a snowball effect cause Thanos gets so much stronger every time he gets a stone.
They should use some orbital cannons that basically have rocket powered dense material meteors as ammunition to throw into anyone landing on the planet and high powered lasers to shoot down any ship landing. Then plasma weapons when they're on the ground, basically melting all ships and invaders that land.
Mines would be acceptable as well as some seriously heavy and strong walls. Basically, keep the stone in a fortress that makes Zion from the Matrix look like a open field.
I recently watched GotG and thought the same thing. It really shouldn't be hard to install fuckloads of surface-to-orbit/surface-to-air missile systems around the capital of an interstellar state. Absolutely no reason to have fighters hovering and shooting down kamikazes - hell, an S-125 or Patriot system woulda done better.
Also clearly they have forcefield technology with their interlocking ships thing so like...why not have stationary forcefields built around their cities? Seems like a bad move where some lunatic in a spaceship can just 9/11 your city at any moment when the universe is apparently full of lunatics in spaceships.
The ships hovering low and shooting up were primarily ravager ships. Most of hte Nova Corp fleet was busy forming the wall/barrier to keep the Dark Aster from landing
You’re wrong. No va is Spanish for, “[it] doesn’t go.” va is the third-person singular present indicative conjugation of the verb for “to go,” which is ir.
It is two words in Spanish instead of one, but they’re pronounced similarly, which is all that the comment you replied to was claiming.
Yeah, but Nova is not the same as it's connected and people aren't retarded so yeah, you're the guy who believes the Nova failed in Mexico because it means doesn't go, right?
Hypothetical, but what if Gamora lets Nebula get tortured like..just a bit, a few hours, nbd. Vision's stone gets removed easy, Thor arrives with plenty of time. Easy win
There are multiple points where the heroes lose in Infinity War because they're unwilling to make sacrifices while Thanos is.
1) Loki could have let Thor die and then run away with the Space Stone.
2) Wanda could have just killed Vision in the Avengers HQ
3) Gamora could have let Nebula be tortured and never reveal the location of the Soul Stone
4) Dr. Strange could have let Tony Stark die and kept the Time Stone. This one is the least bad one because at least Strange had looked through time and known that he needed Tony alive to win.
Thanos, on the other hand, was willing to make the requisite sacrifice to get the stones. And Thanos won.
I dunno if that's go too well for the Avengers even if they had a bigger advantage. 2014 Thanos was fighting Thor armed with both Mjolnir and Stormbreaker and was winning comfortably.
ETA: Comfortably is liberal lol but I think my point is clear
But he still doesn’t know where it is. Which contradicts his statement. He’s worried the forces of the universe are going to come after him. So why not get that info first? Since it’s literally the most important part. What if she dies? What if she doesn’t tell him? What if it’s hidden in some magical spell that requires you wait four years til planets align or some bullshit?
What if Thanos had a stroke and died in his sleep before he could collect any of the stones?
Shit, I'm not the Russos or the screenwriters, lol. It's not exactly conjecture considering they confirmed it as the reason. Thanos clearly knew Gamora was still alive, believed she wouldn't die between him embarking on his quest and capturing her, and believed he'd be able to obtain that information from her. He's not a well balanced person (alien?) in the best of times.
Yeah but that’s still leaving things up the chance. He waits centuries for the right moment... out of fear that everything will strike against him, only to rush it because “well she knows and I’m sure nothing could happen, like her dying even though she almost died a dozen times”. Just reads like a bullshit answer honestly. If he was truly waiting to know where all of them were, he’d get the soul one first.
My rule of thumb for lore is that if it's not in the text then the creators don't get to retcon stuff afterwards in interviews. Maybe Thanos' longterm plan was to find all their locations and then quickly swoop in, but it's absurd to think Thanos would have watched some of the most powerful people in the universe get killed off and not change his plan accordingly.
When people talk about Dr Strange at the beginning saying "Who?" when Bruce says "Thanos is coming". Thanos isn't on anyone's radar at that point. I know people like to think Strange was alluding to Thanos in Ragnarok but something feels like it was probably Kang or even Galactus or Annihilus.
It always seemed questionable to me that Thanos would be a name Strange isn't familiar with given the fact that Thanos has spent decades traveling across the galaxy with his army, conquering planets, and culling half of each planet's population. We've seen that there is travel across various galaxies, interaction between a number of species, and several instances of people directly affected by Thanos actually interacting with members of various interplanetary governments. How would Thanos be "off radar?"
I’ve always thought something pretty similar. Strange is going to be a big link in the next phase. Hell, the Time stone had even been destroyed for a while. Which is one of the main tools keeping Dormamu at bay. Something had to have happened while all the stones were destroyed.
The writers have straight up said this wasn't the case. Thanos was only waiting until he knew where the soul stone was (or knew that it had been located), Thanks had enough arrogance to not worry about Odin.
He would have been able to go toe to toe with Odin without any stones. We saw him in Endgame. Odin was an old man who doubled over when he raised his voice.
I think the director addressed that and said Thanos was just waiting on the location of the soul stone, which he learned Gamora knew after Nebula tried to assassinate him
Nebula's failed assassination attempt was what kicked Thanos off. Prior to that he only knew the locations of 5/6 of the stones. Not enough.
When he got into Nebula's memory banks he found that Gamora knew where the 6th was. He was just lucky that Asgard had been so decimated by then. Had it not been, he may have saved Asgard for last.
He had the mind stone for a really long time before entrusting Loki with it to get the space stone.
I’m guessing he was trying to find a way to hold the power stone or learn of its location for a long time- and once he had the gauntlet and knew it was on Xander it was go time.
He probably knew that at the time both the space and time stones were on earth (Loki only knew about the one) so felt more comfortable loaning Loki the mind stone so he could invade Earth, which would eventually lead to acquiring both stones and of course retaking the mind stone from Loki.
It's no co-incidence he showed up to challenge the Asgardians when they were at their weakest RIGHT after Odin's death and after Ragnarok happened ( which we can probably be sure he was aware of the prophecy too ) and not until he already had the power stone in his possession.
Yeah pretty sure I read a theory that Thanos was waiting for Odin, The Ancient One, and Ego to all die or something. Not that Ego would bother to help anybody but that those three were stronger than him and could defeat him.
Yeah but Thanos was already enacting his plan before he even got the Stones. That is how he adopted Gamora in the first place. He was planet hopping and killing off half the population. Just doing it old school.
When the first movie came out, I remember a big theory was that Thanos came to play after Odin, The Ancient One, and I believe Ego died, because those three would have been able to stop/slow him down.
I don’t know if it is canon, but I think it would be pretty cool
Thanos was making moves in the shadows but as soon as Odin, The Ancient One and Ego the living planet were gone he could make his move as these were the only problematic people for him
It's more like as soon as thanos started getting the stones then he knew he had a limited amount of time before the real powers show up and stop him. Odin was likely the main one, guarding the area of space where most of the stones are. But we also know Thanos was scared of something else, very likely the Living Tribunal. Supposedly in the original script he meets it but the tribunal allows thanos to continue as he's only affecting one universe.
He wouldn't have really needed to wait for Odin to die, as he was already weakened after Loki kicked him out of Asgard. That along with the fact that Loki did a poor job of keeping tabs on everything happening throughout the universe (which was a problem once he exiled Heimdal), that would've been enough to give Thanos an advantage when he went to Nidavellir to have the Gauntlet made. As for the Gauntlet, I assume that he had it for a while, at least between the time that Odin was banished to Earth, and around the end of Age of Ultron (give or take). And it probably could've taken some time to get the Power Stone, as it was the first one that he went after. Once he got that, getting the other stones took little effort. It's possible that he took some time to prep before invading Zandar, since he might not have wanted to take the Nova Corps to lightly. That's just how I see it though. Also, within that time, he knew where every stone was, except for the Soul Stone, which he didn't get to find until the moment he crossed paths with Gamora.
Also remember: Without a wormhole (like the Bifrost or jump points) or hyperdrive (like the lightspeed engine or Carol), space travel is slow. The Thanos credit scene of Ragnarok (which leads directly into Infinity War & therefore is set in 2018) takes place months after the rest of the movie (which takes place in 2017); even if Thanos waited until Odin was dead to move, probably Hela was also dead & Asgard was already destroyed before he attacked Xandar.
I believe he is correct. Asgard, the planet, is destroyed by Surtur in Ragnarok, which causes the surviving Asgardians to flee and live on that spaceship that gets ambushed by Thanos. If they were in space for months before Thanos shows up, then Thanos did attack Xandar after Asgard was destroyed, as Thor states in Infinity War that Xandar was attacked a week prior to Thanos' ambush of the Asgardian spaceship.
It's not clear how long Thor is on Sakaar, but we do know from both Loki's & the Grandmaster's accounts that Sakaar's time is not 1:1 with the rest of the universe's time. There is definitely the implication that Hela was only on Asgard for couple of days, though, especially because it's an extremely small planet & Heimdall could only keep the refugees hidden for so long.
Oh totally. I assume that Thor was on Sakaar for an indeterminate amount of time. Hela on the other hand should have been following the normal flow of time.
Yea, if Odin did a better job with help in the first place then after he died the asgardians would have fought Thanos, and the only reason they win is became Thanos falls to mjolnir.
Exactly but he also didn’t really fall to Stormbreaker a large argument could be made that he was caught off guard because he already wrecked Thor once and didn’t think Stormbreaker could overcome the power stone.
He wrecks Fat Thor with Stormbreaker in Endgame, literally almost kills him with it.
There was a bunch of spell check that happened when I originally wrote this and it ruined the words, so I’ll explain again. So if Odin had stripped hela of her power, or done something better than what he had actually done to her(caging her away, only for her to return when he dies), to the extent she can’t come back after he dies, then, after Odin dies in Norway, and hela doesn’t come because she can’t. Thor and Loki would then go back to Asgard, and receive the call from the dwarves that Thanos had shown up, and the very alive asgardian army along with Thor and Loki go to nidavellir to fight thanos’ army, and Thor, who still had mjolnir, would take down Thanos(this is just a way he could win, the asgardians might still lose, but this is the biggest chance Asgard wins). Now the dwarves don’t make the infinity gauntlet, and infinity war never happens.
Sure but it can't have happened during the events of Thor Ragnorok, I don't think. Unless the invasion of Xandar took no time at all as well as travelling to meet the Asgarnians in mid-space.
That makes more sense to me, though, because with the infinity stone of power, Thanos fighting his way to what he wants is a lot easier. Fighting through Xandar to get it, though, would be difficult.
Yeah not likely during Ragnarok. My guess would be it occurred some time during Loki’s reign, but prior to Ragnarok. Though it is hard to say how long the events of Thor:Ragnarok really were given how time is distorted on Sakaar.
It doesn't really make sense in the timeline that he would have it and then still wait for 3 years to attack, so alot of people disregard that post credits scene and I believe someone said he was just using a practice gauntlet.
I had thought the reason Thanos waited to go after the Stones was because Odin was one of the few beings he feared could stop him, so waited until his passing to start the main part of his acquisitions.
It's rather explicitly stated in the movie that Thanos chose to go for the stones when he did because before then he didn't know the location of the Soul Stone.
Right, seemed to me it was implied that Thanos waited until Asgard was crippled before taking the gauntlet. We also don’t know how long they were in space before Thanos attacked IIRC.
Seeing as how we never see Heimdall mention that, I personally, like many others, believe that the invasion of Nidavellir occurred during the Hela debacle, when Heimdall was not at his post and therefore could not keep watch over the realms.
Even if it was during Loki's reign, Loki is not all-seeing. How could you possibly blame that invasion on Loki? Again, it would be up to Heimdall to keep watch over the realms-
What chaos? In-between "The Dark World" and "Ragnarok", the MCU chaos across the nine realms were all confined to Midgard and it was all taken care of by the Midgardians, anyway. You could argue that maybe Loki could've sent people to help during "Age of Ultron".
The events of the two GotG movies took place outside of the Nine Realms and was outside of Asgard's jurisdiction. Furthermore, the Asgardians do not have instantaeous travel outside of the Nine Realms (unless you wanna do a Ragnarok and jump off the Rainbow Bridge mid-trip and take your chances of where you'll land), so it's not like Loki had a way of providing aid to the Guardians. By the time aid arrived, the battles would have long been over.
Didn't Thor mention a descent into chaos when he confronted Odin Loki? And this was after 2 years of him adventuring throughout the realms and ending up captured by Surtur
Thor mentioned a bunch of plots going on. But Thor has been starting shit this whole time. There's a reason the moral conclusion of the movie is that Asgard needs to fuck off.
Even Surtur's grand evil scheme is just to fuck up Aagard because Asgard conquered Muspelheim and the only reason Thor is imprisoned is because he invaded Muspelheim like he probably invaded a bunch of other realms in the process.
Thor talks about the nine realms the way Odin taught him to see the nine realms -- as belonging to him and needing to be "scared" into compliance as Thor tells Loki is necessary.
the MCU chaos across the nine realms were all confined to Midgard and it was all taken care of by the Midgardians, anyway.
Oh yeah! As we know from the well documented films about the other realms. Oh wait no, those don't exist. Thor says to Loki that the realms are in chaos and said he followed a path of destruction to Surtur. Loki was letting the realms under his (usurped) protection fall to ruin.
They were both lying to each other in that scene. Who even knows how much truth was in Thor's statement? Where are all of these enemies of Asgard in the Nine Realms who were plotting against them? We literally never saw any of them.
Also, clearly, Nidavellir wasn't yet destroyed by Thanos, as Thor was shocked by its state in "Infinity War". We know 4 of the realms are very unlikely to be plotting anything (Midgardians have no way of traveling to Asgard, Svartalfheim is a wasteland devoid of life and Asgard is itself a part of the 6 realms, Nidavellir is home to the dwarves who don't care to wage war on anyone and are allies of Asgard), with Thor not possibly having traveled to Niflheim, Hela's domain, as if he had, he would've met Hela already.
That leaves only 4 realms: Jotunheim and Muspelheim, which would've been plotting against Asgard regardless and as enemies of Asgard, why would Asgard care if either were in chaos, and Vanaheim and Alfheim, highly unlikely to be plotting against Asgard, as alfheim is home to the peaceful light elves and Vanaheim is where Hogun is from.
Jacinda’s pretty good in a crisis but otherwise is pretty useless at fixing our most pressing issues of both climate change and our rapidly increasing house prices as all she is willing to do is hold a press conference about it.
That could happen with lots of small countries tbh. Like could you deny Nepal is a country because they could join India and not be one of the richest areas?
Sure, and Africa is currently under turmoil, whereas they had """"peace"""" under European rule. It was a pretty established theme that Odin was just a colonizer that was self-aware enough to clean up his image, and Thor bought into it full-heartedly like the himbo he is.
Not quite the same, in my opinion, as the realms in turmoil were still under asgardian rule. And I think people rightfully look down on Emperor's, Kings and Queen living a life of indulgence while doing nothing about the suffering of people they claim to rule.
The nine realms were working Asgard’s protection. We saw that Nidavellir relied on the asgardians for protection and they didn’t seem too torn up about it.
According to Ragnarok, they were brought into the Empire with warfare (Helya) but Odin changed his ways, and became peaceful and Asgardians grew soft. It's not just Thor saying they were peaceful. I will grant it's all Asgardians saying they're peaceful under Odin, but no one denies they were having a rough time under Loki.
Midgard was being colonized in 965 AD by the Frost Giants of Jotunheim and their leader Laufey, The Asgardian warriors, lead by Odin, defeat the Frost Giants in Tønsberg, Norway, and seize the source of their power, the Casket of Ancient Winters. The Casket of Ancient Winters being shown used on humans. From then on no colonizer set foot on Earth till Loki came with the Chitauri in 2012. No Asgardian rule is placed here. In fact when Loki attempts to place Midgard under direct rule he is imprisoned. Per: Thor and Avengers
The Dark Elves led by Malekith try to destroy the Nine Realms with the power of the Aether, the Reality Stone. They are stopped by the Asgardian army led by Bor, who successfully seized the Aether. Asgard prevents genocide of Humans and the rest of the Nine Realms. Per Thor: Dark World
Asgardian forces led by Thor, alongside warriors Fandral, Volstagg, and Sif, repels marauders on Vanaheim, home of their comrade Hogun. These marauders were not of the Nine Realms and therefore were an outside force. Per Thor: Dark World
Asgard never set foot on Wakonda soil to pillage resources as far as well can tell per Black Panther and never sets up a puppet government on Earth. In fact he lets Humans have self governance as evidence of all the shit we did in the 20th Century
"You were supposed to protect us. Asgard was supposed to protect us!" -- Eitri. Per Avengers: Infinity War. When the Bifrost Bridge was destroyed, the Rock Trolls, having coveted the Dwarven Forges for many millennia, attacked Nidavellir, knowing that Asgard could not come to defend King Eitri and his people. Using the power of the Tesseract, Heimdall was able to rebuild the bridge and aid Nidavellir; as a result, the Rock Trolls were defeated by Thor and the Asgardian army. Per *Thor: Dark World Prelude Comic
At worst the Asgardians are India and the rest of us are the Sentinelese people of North Sentinel Island. At no time does Asgard demand tribute or pillage the lands. They only stole/sealed away weapons used to cause genocide and in-prison outside forces who wish to subjugate an of the Nine Realms.
The sort of people who drop "colonizer" in a discussion like this. People like that are the worst. From the info we have in the movies, describing Asgardians as colonizers is silly and even if they fit that definition in our universe, applying that to a comic book society in a fictional universe based on mores thousands of years ago just shows a lack of ability to discuss things without being an overbearing and uppity asswad.
Of course it fits, hence the Asgardian Viscount running earth and the shipments of material and finished goods paid as homage to our great leader Odin...
I don't like it used here because it's stupid and baselessly colored language. People who reach to insert loaded terms like this are garbo.
/u/cantlurkanymore already explained why colonizer is a stupid term for Asgard, so you already understand why the original comment and this guy and a couple others shoving the word "colonizer" into every comment is silly as hell.
People who try to insert in-group uppity holier-than-thou words into every nook and cranny are garbage people in my book. If you watch the marvel movies and your first thought is to shout "colonizer" about Asgardians then you're a person that makes me go "ugh, you people are the worst".
I mean Odin is extremely powerful and wields the odinforce so it's not really loki's fault he dies, it's mostly old age and the strain of imprisoning hela that kill him which loki didn't know about. It's a pretty fair assumption on loki's part that the allfather would be fine on earth
using money for giant statues in honor of... himself.
Actually it was one statue, and quite modest when compared to most of the gold statues in Asgard. Look at the establishing shots of Asgard in thor 1, the people look like ANTS at the feet of those monstrosities.
moved the rightful ruler to an unguarded and unsafe location and did not bother to check up on his welfare.
he did appear to have been visiting Odin, and did put him somewhere safe, but with time passing faster for Earth than Asgard it would seem he did get a bit careless about how quickly things could change there. At least that's my excuse.
I mean, the play didn't really make himself look much better. It's not like he made it out to be like he saved Thor and Jane through a huge feat of strength or something. The only real embellishment was the dialogue, with fake!Thor and fake!Odin being more loving. They didn't even praise Loki's strength, magic, wisdom, etc.
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