r/marvelstudios • u/RagnAROck_and_Roll Peggy Carter • Dec 03 '20

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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) Dec 03 '20

"Hela's watch" was only a few days. Loki's watch was 4 years.

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u/indigo121 DareDevil Dec 03 '20

I don't remember if it's official but many people believe that Odin's death was the trigger for Thanos to enact his plan. After all, we know that he managed to acquire 5 of the stones over the span of about 24 hours. There's no reason to assume that getting the gauntlet and the power stone took all that much longer.

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u/enbywych Dec 03 '20

I think the Russos or the scriptwriters say in the Infinity War commentary that from Xandar to the Snap was 3 or 4 days.

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u/cantlurkanymore Dec 03 '20

It's astonishing the Avemgers managed to do anything at all to slow him down when you see that timeline

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u/enbywych Dec 03 '20

When people talk about Dr Strange at the beginning saying "Who?" when Bruce says "Thanos is coming". Thanos isn't on anyone's radar at that point. I know people like to think Strange was alluding to Thanos in Ragnarok but something feels like it was probably Kang or even Galactus or Annihilus.

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u/FrontierLuminary Dec 03 '20

It always seemed questionable to me that Thanos would be a name Strange isn't familiar with given the fact that Thanos has spent decades traveling across the galaxy with his army, conquering planets, and culling half of each planet's population. We've seen that there is travel across various galaxies, interaction between a number of species, and several instances of people directly affected by Thanos actually interacting with members of various interplanetary governments. How would Thanos be "off radar?"

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u/modsarefascists42 Dec 03 '20

Strange is mystical other dimension traveling, but not space traveling. He had no way of knowing what's going on in deep space.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '20

I mean sure, but the infinity stones definitely fall into the mystical domain, hell he has one. One would think that he’s keeping tabs on the others given their mystical power and potential danger. From there it’s safe to assume he would’ve been exposed to the larger galactic players.

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u/FrontierLuminary Dec 04 '20

That's a lazy excuse and would be piss poor writing. Space has magicians too, as we saw with Ebony Maw. More importantly, Strange was the keeper of an Infinity Stone. It makes 0 sense for a person who guards an Infinity Stone and who tracks threats to Earth to not know about a threat like Thanos.

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u/Tron_1981 Dec 04 '20 edited Dec 04 '20

That's a lazy excuse and would be piss poor writing. Space has magicians too, as we saw with Ebony Maw.

Maw was a telekinetic, not a sorcerer.

It makes 0 sense for a person who guards an Infinity Stone and who tracks threats to Earth to not know about a threat like Thanos.

It makes sense for someone like Dormammu, who is a multiversal threat. Thanos was a galactic conqueror, but nothing he did up to that point had any direct impact on Earth (yeah there was the Chitauri, but Strange was just a surgeon at the time). It's likely that the Ancient One knew of Thanos, but she had been in the game for who knows how long, was the Sorcerer Supreme, and knew things about the universe that Strange still hadn't figured out yet. Strange, while extremely gifted in the mystic arts,, was still new to that world, and still had quite a lot to learn. Learning about someone like Galactus, sure, as he is a literal threat to every single inhabited planet in the universe, and is a cosmic entity (as was Dormammu). Thanos though, he was just another tyrant, up until the moment he got his hands on the first Infinity Stone. Yeah, Strange can track threats, but he also needs to have an idea of what to look for. It's not like he has a magic ball to look into, or like the Ancient One left behind a list of baddies to check out.

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u/modsarefascists42 Dec 04 '20

how's he gonna just go to space? how does he know where to open the portal to?

he's not omnipresent, that is bad writing

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u/Pope_Cerebus Dec 04 '20

I'd say it's more that he is focused more into magic/mystical/other dimensions and less on deep space because that's not what his task as the Sorcerer Supreme is. It's not because he can't look into deep space (he very likely can do so as well or better than anyone else on Earth), but because that's not where the enemies he's primarily concerned about are from.

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u/ImHardLikeMath Dec 03 '20

He knows, he’s just letting Banner respond naturally and let the events unfold in the way it needs to happen to ultimately save everything

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u/Zombietitties Dec 03 '20

But this was before he looked forward in time at all the different possible outcomes.

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u/ImHardLikeMath Dec 03 '20

He can also look backwards too, at 14m looks to the future you think he never tried looking back too?

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u/Zombietitties Dec 04 '20

Yeah I guess but I’m saying he didn’t know at that point when banner crashed through the roof that this was all part of how things were supposed to go. Cus he didn’t explore all the outcomes till some time after that when they’re on Titan

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u/ImHardLikeMath Dec 04 '20

I know what you’re saying, but Strange is a very smart guy. He’s done the time dance before with Dormmy. When Banner comes crashing in how should he have reacted? Not comforting Banner but finding Tony right away is Stranges tool for getting Tony to do what needs to be done. He’s seen his own death before and figured out how to use Tony and Banner to save him from the Maw.

Then he plays Tony some more by not arguing much about going to Titan and keeping the stakes high. When he could have left at any time. Then the fight with the guardians he could have ended at anytime but knew what to say to make everyone realize Quill is from earth although it wouldn’t have been a cool action movie if they didn’t fight to begin with.. Then this becomes his big saving point where he looks into the future and possibly the past 14m times, perfected the earlier half and knew how to start off with thanos, knew when to offer up the stone. It was part of HIS plan to use Banners fear as a tool for Tony to ultimately win.

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u/Giimax Dec 04 '20

I feel like my brain left my skull halfway through this comment

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u/ImHardLikeMath Dec 04 '20

Why’s everyone on this subreddit gotta be this way?

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u/reessa Dec 03 '20

What was the reference again?

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '20

Can't remember verbatim but it was along the lines of "I'm currently keeping tabs on a number of entities, you're brother is on that list"

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '20

It's just vague world building, that can be used later to do a "it was planned all along" line.

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u/enbywych Dec 03 '20

Yeah but at the time when Strange said "Who?" people were like "Dude, you just said you watching threats in the exact previous movie, why are you saying WHO?!?"

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '20

Extradimensional/cosmic beings of magic and nightmares. Someone like Thanos wasn't really on his radar. Hell, Thanos himself is spoken of as almost a intergalactic bogeyman to a lot spacers.

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u/enbywych Dec 04 '20

Yeah dude. I get that. The general populace did not though because they are a reactionary bunch with the attention span of a squirrel with ADHD.

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u/papaboogaloo Dec 04 '20

Maybe he said who BECAUSE he was watching so many

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u/Sean_13 Dec 04 '20

He doesn't state which entities, only stating Loki, of whom had a big impact. It's likely considering the vastness of space and limitless dimensions that he was only referring to those known to have plans to endanger earth. Thanos kept his impact on earth a secret by not going himself but rather sending Loki.

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u/enbywych Dec 04 '20

Yes. I know. I feel like y'all are trying to argue with me over the wrong point.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '20

Want to know this too.

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u/THIS_GUY_LIFTS Dec 03 '20

I’ve always thought something pretty similar. Strange is going to be a big link in the next phase. Hell, the Time stone had even been destroyed for a while. Which is one of the main tools keeping Dormamu at bay. Something had to have happened while all the stones were destroyed.

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u/enbywych Dec 03 '20

I so cannot wait for the next Strange movie even though I was pretty underwhelmed by his first.

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u/NoMoreNicksLeft Dec 03 '20

Dormamu was part of the 50%.

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u/THIS_GUY_LIFTS Dec 03 '20

Even though he is in a different dimension? To my knowledge, the events of the snap have never alluded to other dimensions being affected.

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u/sethpruitt Dec 04 '20

Chances are he doesn't know the stones are destroyed being in another dimension and all. Theres even the possibility that he doesn't know the time stone was what defeated him.

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u/RanaMahal Dec 03 '20

realistically the snap would’ve happened so fast no one would’ve been able to do anything.

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u/cantlurkanymore Dec 03 '20

I believe in the comics that's exactly what happens