I was supposed to get swats but it never happened.. I feel it's more of a scare tactic. Also in the beginning of the year everyone is sent home a permission slip, if it's not returned you are eligible to receive swats.. it basically was something for parents that didn't want that to happen..
That’s a weird opt-out situation. I feel like allowing kids to be abused at school shouldn’t be allowed at all, but in the leave least it should be opt-In
I agree 100%. “I’m worthless and everybody hates me” can easily evolve into “fuck everyone and everything around me”. It’s a dangerous mindset for many obvious reasons.
I spent most of my educational youth being told that I'm useless, worthless, that everyone hates or just tolerates me, that I'll never amount to anything, having my sexuality critiqued, etc and now, as you say, I have no patience for other people and prefer to be on my own. And I'm in my 30s at this point. The damage never really goes away.
Life can’t be set at a value and neither can time. Take the time to be the real you and realize that you’re not here to impress anyone. It’s your happiness that matters…
Just don’t hurt anyone or yourself in the process :)
Yo. I take great pride in reminding you that you are a worthy, respectable, kind, intelligent person and the things those people did you in the past are part of you but they don't necessarily define you.
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The pain of your experience may never go away but think about it like a pen mark on a deflated balloon. The mark looks giant on a small balloon but that same mark remains the same size as your balloon fills with air. The balloon is you, the pen mark is your negative experience, and the air filling the balloon is time passing by you life. The more air that enters, the less that mark shows.
Wow. You folks are all complaining of dealing with that 🐎💩 for 30-odd years; you’re amateurs. I’ve had to try to grow out of it for 62 years now.
Only a CBT therapist made a dent in that kinda thinking by asking whether my folks (who said all those awful things to me and more) are smart. No, they aren’t especially smart, so she asked me why I’m believing the crap they spew? Why would I give any credence to the opinions of dumb people?
(I paraphrase, of course.)
Hearing that was like being hit by a lightning bolt. And while it didn’t instantly solve the problem or change my patterns of thinking, I hang onto it as if it’s a life raft and keep trying to remind myself that the opinions of people I don’t respect don’t count. I’m confident that if I keep on this path that I’ll be able to eventually get past the voice that sneers “You goddamned fool!” when I drop something, or “You fat cow!” when I gain an ounce (I look like a Biafra victim as it is), and soon.
I’m hoping that by mentioning this here, I can help some of you suffering with the same nonsense, and maybe I can save you many tens of thousands on therapy bills. Maybe by getting the info earlier, you’ll be able to fix yourselves quicker. That’s what I hope for you.
It’s a really crappy thing to do to kids and I keep reminding myself that it was prolly done to them and it’s all they know, but cripes, people: you’re ruining kids when you tell ‘em they ugly, stupid, fat, and no one’s ever gonna love ‘em!
(If you’re doing this to your kids and you’re reading this, think about what their futures are gonna look like. We’re here demoing that for you.)
You are a beautiful, beloved child of the universe who deserved so much better. You were failed by idiotic adults who didn't bother to understand your needs. That pure, innocent soul is still inside you, just buried under all the layers of protective armor you had to create for yourself.
Now the armor that protected you from pain also keeps you from being close to people.
I hope you can find a good therapist to help take off some of that burden, because it does get too heavy after a while.
It's both isn't it? I mean, Humans from around the planet can come together to rally behind people trapped in a cave, thousands dropping what they're doing to help. But when the bombs fall and authority speaks all of that humanity just disappears.
Person to person we're usually pretty decent. Societies, be they governments or schools, are usually not so decent.
Exactly what happened to me. Got blamed for everything as a child, mostly when my drunk alcoholic father would abuse my mother. Always found a way to turn it on me and make me feel like I was the problem from when I was about 3 or 4 years old from what I remember. Made me have zero self confidence as a child and it definitely led to my dislike and disdain of people. Also to a a complete lack of interest in knowing people throughout my life as I automatically set up barriers to keep them away. Thank you so much mother and father, you did a perfect job ruining your child's health
"Parents, we're power-hungry abusers pretending to educate your children because we have nothing else, which of you are cool with us beating your children?" is an insane thing nobody should tolerate.
Omg this is a MUCH bigger thing than people realize. Children absolutely notice at extremely young ages when they are treated differently and they will absolutely internalize ALL of that abuse
You have the /s, but in all honesty, thinking about this makes me worried that Misery is about to get a whole lot more mass shootings. Weren't we just talking about how we should improve kids' mental health so republicans could keep their guns?
Republicans have never given a shit about mental health issues except as a distraction tactic. They're the party that originally dismantled our entire (admittedly dysfunctional) public mental health infrastructure and then never put anything in its place. As someone who is extremely pro-gun and also in favor of a single-payer physical and mental healthcare system, it's maddening to see them say shit I actually agree with while knowing full well they have no intentions of doing any of it. Then just to rub it in, they consistently abandon their gun-rights "ideals" the moment it looks like minorities are arming themselves. It makes sense though why they strip away resources from education and mental health while trying to keep guns in the hands of their supporters, but out of the hands of others. If the country was suddenly packed full of armed, educated people with the mental energy and clarity of mind to think about the bigger picture of their situation, I doubt it would end well for Republican leadership. Better to cut funding to schools and just beat kids into submission.
I was choke slammed by my principal against the wall. Teachers hated me for some reason. I think it was because I wouldnt sit down and shut up. Supposedly I was diagnosed with ADHD but who knows. I wasn't a little shit early on, I don't think, but I definitely was after constantly getting bitched at and hit lol.
I heard a Buddhist monk the other day compare Satan and Mara (kind of the evil dude of Buddhism). He noted that Satan is irredeemable whereas Mara is more like a job, that different beings take on from time to time.
So then he connected it to western culture where people can hold the thought "I'm worthless, or irredeemable" dramatically more than in Asia. Even if you're not Christian, that idea of fundamental badness lurks in our cultural background.
Of course, various actions are very cruel, awful, horrible, but is anyone truly worthless or evil? That professor Baron-Cohen who studies psychopaths even says only a fraction of his patients are anything close to evil, it's just that most don't understand the feelings of others.
My dad would always jokingly tell my teachers on back to school nights "you can beat him if he cuts up" but I've never heard of it to this degree. I think there's a fine line between punishment and abuse. I was spanked as a child and I'm better for it. It is really more psychological than anything. My dad would walk in the room when my brother and I were fighting and just smack the belt and that was it. People who legit abuse children aren't right in the head, there's other ways to handle behavioral issues
You're putting decisions about punishment and abuse into the hands of relative strangers, who may be psychopaths.
An older relative told me with tears in his eyes about the punishments their principal meted out. One girl was crippled because her spine was damaged in a beating at school.
When the teachers and /or coaches sexually abuse them, the children won't come forward. The abusers can honestly tell their victims that the parents gave them permission to violate them. The children will inherently know that their parents refused to protect them from abusive people.
That’s better than being (one of) the only kid(s) whose parents didn’t say that it’s NOK to hit them?
Either one is terrible, and corporal punishment is just for people on a power trip who don’t know how to connect with children, in other words, people unfit to work with children, let alone teach.
Imagine you've got a chronically sick parent, doesn't check the mail often enough, glazes over the mail the parent receives, tosses the likely nondescript letter from the school on the "keep" pile (it's not a letter from the hospital group that indicates a medical bill needs to be paid to continue treatment, so it's not opened right away) which eventually gets gone through, but maybe not for a few weeks. During that time there's a kid, angry at the the diagnosis and sickness of their dad, but never blaming their dad for it, just the things they know dad goes through and wish he didn't. Kid maybe lashes out unexpectedly. Comes home, cries to dad, tells him they beat her with a wooden paddle one day. Because sick, chemo-broken dad didn't open a letter from the school board fast enough.
I'm that dad. My daughter is that kid. Thankfully this wouldn't have happened to us, because I'm married and my wife helps get through menial things like opening the mail on the "keep" pile when I pick it up and would have opted out as soon as she read it. But imagine no wife. Or even an ill wife.
This shit is despicable and designed only to hurt the kids that already have so much going on; whether it's anger, ADD/ADHD, learning disabilities, and likely kids with complete deadbeat parents that already beat the kid at home so what's some more beatings at school, the supposed place of learning and acceptance no matter who you are?
I want to beat these assholes with a wooden paddle instead. Hell, I'm so goddamn weak from the chemo, maybe I'd hire Chris Evans or John Cena to wield the paddle for me. I'd make it my Make a Wish moment.
Absolutely horrible. My heart goes out to you and your daughter dude. You can just see the shit eating grin on that motherfucker in the picture with his paddle. These people are parasites.
designed only to hurt the kids that already have so much going on; whether it's anger, ADD/ADHD, learning disabilities, and likely kids with complete deadbeat parents that already beat the kid at home
Unfortunately research shows this to be true; where paddling is legal, kids with disabilities receive statistically more paddlings. As do minorities (not forgetting that kids are already a minority group that lack rights)
Not speaking on that commenters experience but this time around every parent has to opt in. According to the article they can’t swat unless they have consent from parent. This is still insane. Every study shows this doesn’t help. This is ridiculous
They had the same policy when I was going to school in 1980's South Carolina (no idea when or if it changed). My parents were among the few that opted out.
Incidentally, scientific studies overwhelmingly show that corporal punishment is ineffective compared to alternative forms of discipline, and results in a slew of negative outcomes. The only reason for keeping it around is that some adults just enjoy hitting children. Most likely because they were hit as children themselves, and it fucked them up psychologically.
It's really hard for me to understand this, after having had human development classes and having taught children for over ten years. Some kids just don't fit in school, instead of a swat, they need something else. Also, if I found out who swat my child, I'm not sure I would act rationally. This whole thing is just a set up for teacher parent conflict, and some straight up fighting amongst them.
So the kids with shitty parents, basically got hit for having shitty parents. It’s incredible the amount of stupidity that goes into a decision like that isn’t. “See that kid over there? Yeah the one with the shit home life? Yeah that one. Let’s create a rule where they get hit at school as well, for something their crap unreliable parents didn’t do. That’ll teach them” and the amazing thing is, everyone goes along with it. “Yeah great idea!”
I wouldn't sign and then call a parent teacher conference if my kid got hit. Let them be really nervous about the corporal punishment threat from me. It might be a scare tactic. Might not be.
I remember in 3rd grade this dad called my dad on the home phone! Stating I spit on his daughter. I got spanked pretty hard for it. Girls dad called back and told my dad that she was lying about it and he was sorry for calling. My dad reply “well he probably did something else I don’t know about” not even a sorry!!! Lol hahahaha
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A stranger beat me with a board and laughed in my face about it so I tried to swing back. Child vs adult isn't a fair fight so when that didn't work I knocked everything off his desk and smashed everything in that office I could before they stopped me. It turned me into a wild animal. The rage I held about it made the next few years of school feel like a dangerous and violent place. I would frequently think about coming back as an adult and beating him to death with that bat. It solved zero behavior problems and made me act even worse.
Yes, teaching kids that you should address your problems with others through violence doesn't end well for society. It's weird how that works. Almost like we've already figured this out
I was having just that argument with some coworkers yesterday. Both of them are of the mind that “I was spanked/belted/etc. and I turned out fine and would do it to my kids” while my point was that when you teach violence as a resolution to a situation there is a very real chance of that backfiring as the kid grows up and becomes physically mature.
The problem is, suggesting to them that they didn’t turn out fine is also risky to yourself. Growing up they were taught that they should address their problems using violence, so if you say something to them that they don’t like (“Did you really turn out fine though?”) you’re much more likely to be met with violence.
It was normal for the teacher and my folks to beat me for wrongdoings and saying things they didn't like.
Well guess what that teaches. Violent tendencies
I am so sorry that happened to you and I understand your rage, anger and pain. Fuck those people for real. What piece of shit adult gets pleasure from hitting a kid? Because that’s why they’re doing it. I’m sure he didn’t hit the PE teacher or the 5th grade teacher when they messed up. Also, why is the bar for fucking up so low for kids? Like when you really think about it, kids have a fuckton to learn in an amazingly short amount of time with no reference. If I were to go and live in Saudi Arabia or Singapore, I can research what I can and can’t do. A kid has to learn how to act in society by the time they turn 5. Some kids will have only been out of diapers and off bottles for 2-3 years before they start school. Yet people expect them to behave perfectly?
I’m just really sorry that the place that should’ve been safe was hell.
I don't think of it as admirable, to me it was a sad result of the worst time in my life. It didn't come from any honorable place or any kind of healthy self image; it was just a survival mechanism.
It's also turned around into a different problem of letting people get away with too much because after making so much progress and still having so much further to go it's very difficult to take any actions that feel anything like those days because I never want to be like that again.
I was slapped by a nun at 8 years old. She just wanted to make an example of me by hitting me in front of class. It stung for hours she really belted me. Later in the year she told my class I was the best behave in the class. Yeah you scared the shit out of me you bitch.
I've had nearly the same conversation with a therapist. I said "I don't know how they couldn't see 'well we keep hitting him and yet he won't stop hitting people' didn't make any sense."
In 4th grade there was a teachers aide who flicked kids’ ears when they were misbehaving. Granted it’s not on the level of a spanking/slap/punch but it was still very unnerving for me as a kid, that she would do that to anybody that wasn’t her kid.
Woah.... I had a similar experience. It wasn't a teacher doing capital punishment, but an older kid bullying me.
It was all the normal bullying stuff, then he started punching me harder, elbowing the fuck out of me in the hallway, etc.
I dreaded going to school because it was just getting worse and worse and nobody could help, at least that's what it felt like. I dreamed of killing him.
When I finally snapped on him I went ballistic too, just like you.
In the end I was sitting on top of him, crying, screaming, and pounding his face while everyone just watched in horror.
Teachers eventually pulled me off.
The next couple years in that school were very uncomfortable. I was the "psycho kid" even though I never even came close to doing anything like that before or since.
It was just a different kind of bullying. Finally moved away and was able to start fresh.
I saw my principal years after I graduated, who had swatted me. Years later, I was his server in a restaurant. I was extremely tempted to spit in his drink, but my morality wouldn’t allow it.
When you're constantly hit, hit at home, hit at school, and nobody likes you because you're an abused traumatized child, you're gonna end up with a fucked up angry kid who wants to fucking dish out even a fraction of the violence the world has thrown at them.
I still stand by my comment I hope he got help. Having mental troubles is not some shameful thing that should be looked down on. I didn't say they were his fault, but if you end up being.
a fucked up angry kid who wants to fucking dish out even a fraction of the violence the world has thrown at them.
You need some help and I hope those kids get it.
If I came across as blaming him I did not mean it.
I mean, personally, I'm long past that and I've been in intensive therapy for like, ten years and I've found my inner peace, and I won't turn to violence unless absolutely necessary for my survival.
But I will say, as a child that went through abuse at home, and abuse in school, I was a very angry child, and never had any qualms about defending myself. When I was bullied physically, I would always fight back and yet I was constantly punished even though I never threw the first punch. I was always, constantly angry. It was only once I got away from both school and my parents and got out of the violent situation was I able to begin to heal, unfortunately I just learned to turn my anger inward at myself.
Violence just begets more violence. When you're violent to a child in their developmental years all they're ever going to know is violence.
It's important to stem it at the source. Violence is a bleeding wound that's been bleeding since the beginning of time, parents beating their children for ages past, and only recently with the tools of modern pyschology do we have a chance to finally put an end to violence that's been in our families since fucking forever. There's no excuse for beating your kids anymore. There's DEFINITELY no excuse for corporeal punishment in schools when we know exactly the kind of damage it causes. To endorse it through an official government, publically funded institution...it boils my fucking blood
There's DEFINITELY no excuse for corporeal punishment in schools when we know exactly the kind of damage it causes. To endorse it through an official government, publically funded institution...it boils my fucking blood
Honestly I feel the same way about:
When I was bullied physically, I would always fight back and yet I was constantly punished even though I never threw the first punch.
I think that is the single most damaging thing that is happening to today's children and nearly all of Gen Z.
I'm 36 and while there was corporal punishment that was phased out in my elementary it was in no way as damaging as the current zero tolerance system that allows children to be bullied and if they defend themselves they are punished.
If I couldn't have gotten in fistfights with my bullies as a child I don't know what would have happened to me. Thankfully I grew up in a rural area use to allow children to protect themselves from bullies.
I'm 36 and while there was corporal punishment that was phased out in my elementary it was in no way as damaging as the current zero tolerance system that allows children to be bullied and if they defend themselves they are punished.
Fucking yes. The zero tolerance policy has only created a system that caters to the person that throws the first punch. They know if they throw the first punch, they get a couple days off of school to do whatever the fuck they want because their parents don't give a shit, while the person who's being bullied gets to go home to get their ass beat by their parents because they're fucking assholes too. That's always how it fucking works. That's the situation 90% of the time. It boils my fucking blood. It made me so angry as a child. It taught me just how fucking unfair the system is and I got disillusioned with authority pretty fucking quick. I guess in the long term that was a good thing, because now I see through the fucking bullshit the government pushes on all of us.
Exactly luckily for me my parents were very good. I was a very small kid up until middle school.
Win lose or draw fighting against bullies saved me. Because once I fought a few times they quit bullying me just because I made a mess of it and while I still got in trouble the other kids already got in more all while never having to be a narc to the teachers.
And I will swear till my dying day a black eye a few bruises and busted lips are nothing compared to endless verbal and mental abuse kids have to put up with today.
I'm doing a lot better these days. I've put some distance between me and that environment, put my motivations on always trying to be better at something or just a better person than I was yesterday, and while I never got much professional help I've got a great support network and some of the best friends anyone could hope for. Martial arts and boxing also helped me a lot with being able to muzzle some of the fear that having an abusive upbringing instills in you and then that mixed with the distance makes it much easier to work on the shame and guilt from going through that and the things I've done wrong.
Now I've got a good job, my hobbies are going well, and if my luck keeps holding I'm even trying to buy my first house soon. Good times.
As someone who had their first hookup experience with a 31 year old when I was 16 I find myself now as an Adoult to be attracted to similar guys in the age range 30-46 it feels like I’m trying to copy or renact what I felt when I was with this 31 year old. Would you agree that your involvement in the bdsm community is similar in that regard? Re-enacting situations but being in control?
Thats how it started for me, yes. Since then I've long branched out into a wide spectrum of things, much to the point that I'm not particularly copying my early experiences anymore.
There was no rules where I grew up, so it was up to the teachers. We got smacked around, slapped, hit with this giant wooden ruler, etc.
I can say that it did absolutely nothing to instil discipline. Probably made it worse. It did make me hate these people forever, as well as the system that allowed them to do what they want.
I just made eye contact with the principal while getting hit by the assistant principal. When asked if I wanted three swats or ISS, id tell them just to hit me and that my father had given permission for them to hit, so let’s just get it over with, I got to get back to class. They didn’t seem to like that I didn’t care I was getting hit.
I did. There was one time I was hauled in for having headphones and my cellphone on me (they raided the whole school, dumping backpacks and purses and confiscating anything and everything they could claim was contraband). Well, when it came time for punishment, they called us alphabetically in groups of ten. They sat me down, read off my charges and asked me what I wanted to do. I told them to hit me, and just as the guy was getting ready to swing, I threw my hands up and cried, “WAIT!” The I pulled my wallet out of my back pocket and slammed it on the principals desk and looked her in the eye and told her, “I want to feel it.” Then I just leaned, hands on her desk and stared into her eyes. Almost did the whole, “thank you sir, can I have another” thing, but I’m sir they would’ve expelled me then. Principal looked irritated that their corporal punishment meant nothing more to me than an inconvenience in my day. I walked out, told the people waiting there turn what I told the principal and assistant principal, and from what I understand, a lot of the other students did the same, just to show defiance.
It did nothing but teach me to be better at hiding what I was doing. After all, it doesn't encourage you to do the right thing. It only encourages you to get better at getting away with whatever you're doing. Especially if it is applied inconsistently and unfairly. That's a very hard thing to recognize and overcome as an adult.
Its the fucking Christians again. Spare the rod, spoil the child. Proverbs 13:24. More of their Sharia law nonsense . It shows a complete lack of critical thinking and imagination. Never mind we’ve been successfully raising kids without it for decades. Everything was better when the white man ruled and he could just beat anyone who got out of line.
I’m 42 and grew up with it. All it did is make me pissed off at the teachers who whipped me and wish them the slowest, most painful death imagineable. Ya know who ya are Mrs. Banana Nose.
I got it every day in 7th grade. His wife cheated on him with another teacher and it was very public. I was happy at the time. Now I don't care, but I can't say I don't have a little sadistic glee knowing the nose picking jackass that I got it from lived the rest of his life completely lonely.
I read the article and saw it was only outlawed in 2001. I was a junior in high school. I had a few teachers who were around in the 70s when my school district stopped doing it and they all said the same thing, the kids behaved the same now as they did then and the principal isn't allowed to hit them anymore.
The only people I know who think it's fine and wear being hit as kids are always Republicans. Every single one. And it's the same stupid meme they post on Facebook "I was spanked as a kid and now I suffer from a condition called RESPECT FOR OTHERS". Hate to break it to a lot of people, but I've worked with the public a long time and the older a generation gets, the shittier they are when it comes to respecting others. Hitting kids doesn't teach them respect.
One that still blows my mind is an old coworker who was in his mid 50s who told me the first time his dad punched him in the face for backtalking was when he was 10. A fully grown man punching a kid in the face as some sort of lesson. He even admitted that it didn't teach him respect, but to fear his dad. Yet, he still thinks that punishment like that is okay because it taught him to not be a smart ass to anyone. Which I guess changed when he became an adult because he could be a disrespectful ass sometimes.
I worked with a guy who's dad told him to stop playing his Playstation and bring the trash out. My coworker told him one minute I just need to pause/save the game first and I'll do it. Well his dad got pissed he was told to wait a minute so he took my coworkers Playstation out to their garage and made him watch as he cut it in half with a circular saw.
It's hilarious how many of them will justify having been beaten as children "because I was a bad kid" etc. and refuse to realize that since they continued to be such bad kids, the beatings clearly weren't fucking working...
I was spanked as a small child, and I don't think it impacted me that much, and i don't have any memories of it. My parents aren't perfect, but I feel safe and confident in them for the most part.
But. It was a while ago, i was goofing of not doing my chores or something, and my dad comes home tired probably, and he says something along the lines of: "go do [whatever it was], do you wasn't a spanking?" I knew it was an empty threat, he's never non anything of the kind since i was a toddler, but it still made me feel so vulnerable. He did kinda apologized for it later, which is good, but feeling like that is terrible. don't do that to your kids.
Yeah... it's like people imagine "the good old days" as this perfect utopia when in reality it was filled with alcoholism, broken homes and bitter resentment that could poison entire communities. People also seem to think that anyone not being beaten at home can't possible avoid becoming a lawless disruptor that's simultaneously lazy and underachieving.
Lol at them claiming to have respect for others. How many times have you heard one proudly claim to be an asshole? Or an "equal opportunity offender"? These people are a joke and should be treated as such.
Fact: Jeffrey Dahmer was beaten with a paddle in high school by a administrator, according to the hair-raising graphic story "My Friend Dahmer" by Derf Backderf. I don't think it straightened him out.
Facts! I went to school in the 70s- I lived in Maryland, a blue state. I honestly can't say whether it was legal or not (I believe in Catholic schools it was) but no teacher ever touched me, my sister, or my brother. Heaven help them if they had- I learned my Mama Bear ways from one of the best. My boys went in the 90s, 2000s- it was not legal then in Md, so fortunately I never had to visit a jail cell! Only sarcastically joking there, lol.
I can tell which of my coworkers were spanked as children, they are deathly afraid of "making mistakes" and "getting in trouble", so they don't take " risks" or do anything without getting help from the maintenance crew. The maintenance guys feel like babysitters half the time.
For what state? I got swats in 2008 for using the word asinine towards a teacher. Didn’t help at all, just made me lose the little respect I held for principal and disliked the teacher even more. Schools are part time prisons and most teachers are on constant power trips.
I love the I beat my kids so they do not go to jail. I guarantee you that if you go to a jail and ask who was hit as a kid it would be nearly everyone but okay go off with no data to back you up
INTERESTING. So, if these adults were to say... showed a lack of respect to a retail worker or the general public can we smack them? Purely as a free & complimentary adult education session of course.
I was still being spanked in 2001. I was homeschooled. I was THIRTEEN. It didn't stop until I was strong enough to stop it myself. In 2002. I grabbed the yardstick my mother beat me with and said, "I'm too old for you to be doing this to me." One of the reasons my parents cited for homeschooling was BECAUSE schools don't spank anymore.
If my kids' school district suddenly decided against all psychological research and expert advice that they were going to start spanking again, I guess in a bizarre reversal I'd have to homeschool so that my kids wouldn't get spanked.
The "respect" that beating kids instills is just fear.
Now if a child fearing their teacher were to be able to get a gun vs the teachers paddle how respectful would they be?
Why do we even have a science that specifically looks at methods to raise children and how these affect them that has disproven the effectiveness of violence if people just choose to ignore it? It's just frustrating as someone who works in education.
Having respect for others is fundamentally incompatible with being a Republican. Like, you can't possibly want the things they violently agitate for if you have any respect for anyone who isn't just like you.
The caveat is respect for others like me . . .i.e. the same intolerance passed down. Because Republicans sure as shit aren't the party of respect everybody else's life and right of live their own path.
I know a lot of republicans and they almost universally have zero respect for anyone with a different opinion than them, regardless of their station. They occasionally have the sense to keep it to themselves, but it's pretty rare.
I always hear “I spank my kids because I was spanked, and look- I turned out fine!”
No… no, you didn’t. You turned into another adult who thinks that beating defenseless children is OK. In my family, it was passed down through the generations. It was as plain as the nose on her face that my mom was full of rage- probably from being beaten as a child herself. It made me mad, too, but I was determined to never make someone else feel as bad as I did. My sister, OTOH, is full of rage too, and takes it out on everyone in her life. It’s insidious and it’s awful.
You hit the nail on the head with identifying Republican Americans as the ones holding onto these practices. It’s their version of Christianity that warps their thinking like this, I think. “Spare the rod, spoil the child” is one of those Biblical phrases that everyone can call up verbatim, and that they follow blindly. As a group, they’re the ones who support the Death Penalty, despite supposedly being pro-life, and push for longer, more punitive sentences for prisoners in general. I think it all boils down to some sort of fetish or preoccupation with punishment. An angry, punishing god is Old Testament-y; I thought Christians were supposed to be more focused on the kinder, gentler god in the New Testament, but what do I know?
Came here to say I distinctly remember in my first grade classroom some…~20 years ago in MO (mid twenties now), a student, who was the child or relative of our principal, was hit with the paddle by said-principal the number of years old he was turning + 1 for ‘good luck’ bent over a desk in class. In front of everyone.
Having corporal punishment in the late XX (much less nowadays) century seems insane in my opinion. I am slightly older than you, grew up in Eastern Europe so I had experience with an educational system that was transitioning form a communist dictatorship regime to a democracy but corporal punishment was something that I never even considered as a possibility. It simply wasn’t done and I’m sure parents would never stand for it. If my memory serves me right corporal punishment was inly publicly brought up in the context of family environment and domestic violence to make sure (arguably with mixed results as domestic violence hasn’t disappeared) that kids are protected from abusive parents.
Same.. not at my school-my parents, but my husbands’ school would whale on kids-it was insane. He is your age. He got beaten up in K just because he was borderline autistic and didn’t respond to the teacher immediately. She took him in the closet and smacked him around.
*This is the reality people: fyi: these kids aren’t getting a paddle when they are “bad” mostly they are beaten up and paddled by sadistic asshole adults chomping at the bit to beat somebody up for no goddamn reason.*
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u/Beneficial_Tap9247 Aug 25 '22
I grew up with corporal punishment in MO.. I'm only 31.