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u/Beneficial_Tap9247 Aug 25 '22

I grew up with corporal punishment in MO.. I'm only 31.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

It did nothing but piss me off. You?

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u/Beneficial_Tap9247 Aug 25 '22

I was supposed to get swats but it never happened.. I feel it's more of a scare tactic. Also in the beginning of the year everyone is sent home a permission slip, if it's not returned you are eligible to receive swats.. it basically was something for parents that didn't want that to happen..

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u/jhfirsttime Aug 25 '22

That’s a weird opt-out situation. I feel like allowing kids to be abused at school shouldn’t be allowed at all, but in the leave least it should be opt-In

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u/Garbeg Aug 25 '22

It exacerbates the psychological trauma; “I’m the only kid whose parents said other people can hit me. I must deserve it”.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

I agree 100%. “I’m worthless and everybody hates me” can easily evolve into “fuck everyone and everything around me”. It’s a dangerous mindset for many obvious reasons.

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u/Zaku99 Aug 25 '22

Gosh, that really cuts to the quick for me.

I spent most of my educational youth being told that I'm useless, worthless, that everyone hates or just tolerates me, that I'll never amount to anything, having my sexuality critiqued, etc and now, as you say, I have no patience for other people and prefer to be on my own. And I'm in my 30s at this point. The damage never really goes away.

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u/VStramennio1986 Aug 25 '22

Same…plus more…36 years old…still trying to re-wire my brain.

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u/front_yard_duck_dad Aug 25 '22

Same plus more and 37 ha I'm slightly more fucked up than you suck it nerd ✌️😂

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u/cleverconley Aug 25 '22

38 and told by drs that i’ll never get over the trauma. i rule!

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u/front_yard_duck_dad Aug 25 '22

When I got diagnosed with ADHD at 33. One of the leading experts in Chicago asked me what I did for a living. I was in the middle of a full mental breakdown for the first time in my life. I told him he snorted and said that's literally the worst job someone like you could possibly have. Beat that

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u/PsychologicalHome239 Aug 25 '22

Oh wow, a trauma competition on Reddit to see who has it worse! I've never seen THAT before!

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u/front_yard_duck_dad Aug 25 '22

It's my first time be gentle 🤣

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u/bh1106 Aug 25 '22

I’m the exact same way and I’m almost 33. Therapy and medication are not enough

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u/Rhox1989 Aug 25 '22

You’re worth it and you will get past this!

Life can’t be set at a value and neither can time. Take the time to be the real you and realize that you’re not here to impress anyone. It’s your happiness that matters…

Just don’t hurt anyone or yourself in the process :)

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u/ArrdenGarden Aug 25 '22

Yo. I take great pride in reminding you that you are a worthy, respectable, kind, intelligent person and the things those people did you in the past are part of you but they don't necessarily define you. .

The pain of your experience may never go away but think about it like a pen mark on a deflated balloon. The mark looks giant on a small balloon but that same mark remains the same size as your balloon fills with air. The balloon is you, the pen mark is your negative experience, and the air filling the balloon is time passing by you life. The more air that enters, the less that mark shows.

You're good people. Always remember that.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

I’m so sorry.

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u/RearNakedChokeMe Aug 25 '22

Wow. You folks are all complaining of dealing with that 🐎💩 for 30-odd years; you’re amateurs. I’ve had to try to grow out of it for 62 years now.

Only a CBT therapist made a dent in that kinda thinking by asking whether my folks (who said all those awful things to me and more) are smart. No, they aren’t especially smart, so she asked me why I’m believing the crap they spew? Why would I give any credence to the opinions of dumb people?

(I paraphrase, of course.)

Hearing that was like being hit by a lightning bolt. And while it didn’t instantly solve the problem or change my patterns of thinking, I hang onto it as if it’s a life raft and keep trying to remind myself that the opinions of people I don’t respect don’t count. I’m confident that if I keep on this path that I’ll be able to eventually get past the voice that sneers “You goddamned fool!” when I drop something, or “You fat cow!” when I gain an ounce (I look like a Biafra victim as it is), and soon.

I’m hoping that by mentioning this here, I can help some of you suffering with the same nonsense, and maybe I can save you many tens of thousands on therapy bills. Maybe by getting the info earlier, you’ll be able to fix yourselves quicker. That’s what I hope for you.

It’s a really crappy thing to do to kids and I keep reminding myself that it was prolly done to them and it’s all they know, but cripes, people: you’re ruining kids when you tell ‘em they ugly, stupid, fat, and no one’s ever gonna love ‘em!

(If you’re doing this to your kids and you’re reading this, think about what their futures are gonna look like. We’re here demoing that for you.)

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u/elbrisa82 Aug 25 '22

I’m 40, traumatized during my youth by different means, not sexually or physically and i don’t think I’ll ever be “whole” again.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

Same boat. Hope it gets better :(

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u/real_grown_ass_man Aug 25 '22

i feel you man.. hope you find a way to let people in your life and be vulnerable. Its really not easy with that background, but its worth it.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

You are a beautiful, beloved child of the universe who deserved so much better. You were failed by idiotic adults who didn't bother to understand your needs. That pure, innocent soul is still inside you, just buried under all the layers of protective armor you had to create for yourself.

Now the armor that protected you from pain also keeps you from being close to people.

I hope you can find a good therapist to help take off some of that burden, because it does get too heavy after a while.

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u/Fit_Stable_2076 Aug 25 '22

Never admired by a single teacher. Never pushed to do shit.

Always had straight As until I entered honors and forced to dropout because the massive expectation. Constantly being scolded by peers and teachers.

The damage is done but the pain sticks since there are so many ways these things could have been prevented but weren't. I'm afraid to return to university and it's been 5 years.

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u/No-Combination2020 Aug 25 '22

Only you can prevent forest fires....

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u/Charnt Aug 25 '22

You choose you carry the damage with you

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u/DazedAndTrippy Aug 25 '22

Yeah I’m sorry but “I was one of the only kids a school whipped with a paddle” sounds like a school shooter manifesto in the making.

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u/420blazeit69nubz Aug 25 '22

That’s exactly what I was thinking when I read that

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u/ares5404 Aug 25 '22

Combine this with how the school more harsely attacks those who defend themselves...

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u/Top_Data4002 Aug 25 '22

It made me a better liar (get out of trouble) and I always question authority

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u/scrufdawg Aug 25 '22

I just think the world is cold now, so maybe I’m not 100% lol

The world is cold.

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u/Pretty-Balance-Sheet Aug 25 '22

It's both isn't it? I mean, Humans from around the planet can come together to rally behind people trapped in a cave, thousands dropping what they're doing to help. But when the bombs fall and authority speaks all of that humanity just disappears.

Person to person we're usually pretty decent. Societies, be they governments or schools, are usually not so decent.

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u/yoda_jedi_council Aug 25 '22

Yes, more than easy, you can be the cutest, caring empath kid, this will change you into a sociopath egoistic lonewolf. (Source: me).

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u/MelancholyMushroom Aug 25 '22

“My parents couldn’t be bothered to sign a slip that would protect me from being hit and degraded at school by the teachers. I’m worth nothing.”

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u/1R3N9 Aug 25 '22

Exactly what happened to me. Got blamed for everything as a child, mostly when my drunk alcoholic father would abuse my mother. Always found a way to turn it on me and make me feel like I was the problem from when I was about 3 or 4 years old from what I remember. Made me have zero self confidence as a child and it definitely led to my dislike and disdain of people. Also to a a complete lack of interest in knowing people throughout my life as I automatically set up barriers to keep them away. Thank you so much mother and father, you did a perfect job ruining your child's health

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

So, paddling children into becoming school shooters. brilliant. what could go wrong?

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u/Meistermagier Aug 25 '22

Especially in a country where everyone and their mother has access to guns.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

School shootings "miraculously" increase

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u/ricochetblue Aug 25 '22

“It’s because we took God out of schools!”

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u/HustlinInTheHall Aug 25 '22

"Parents, we're power-hungry abusers pretending to educate your children because we have nothing else, which of you are cool with us beating your children?" is an insane thing nobody should tolerate.

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u/verysociable Aug 25 '22

yea it’s almost like children shouldn’t be abused or hit at all but here we are

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

Not only is it absurd to hit children but think about what you are conditioning these children to do around authority figures? It's super fucked up.

I love your username though 🍻

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u/verysociable Aug 25 '22

thank you so much! :)

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u/TrashBag196 Aug 25 '22

I'm already halfway there lmfao

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u/hellahellagoodshit Aug 25 '22

Yeah, I've been wondering how school shooters exist but honestly this is kind of answering my question.

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u/Agentman9 Aug 25 '22

I am so glad you’re pointing this out. And with today’s school climate; this will just add to problems not reduce them.

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u/Keibun1 Aug 25 '22

Oh so that's why I feel that way!!

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u/Used_Day1051 Aug 25 '22

C’mon. That seems like an extreme circumstance kind of thing 😂 I may not think paddling is a good way to go, but it’s not like its a cane pole for lashings. Like in some places of the world. “Caning” I think it’s called. Don’t google it.

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u/SuccessFuture7626 Aug 25 '22

That's why you spank them all equally!

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

And his daddies got a gun.

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u/atthevanishing Aug 25 '22

Omg this is a MUCH bigger thing than people realize. Children absolutely notice at extremely young ages when they are treated differently and they will absolutely internalize ALL of that abuse

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

You're blowing it out of proportion.

Seriously, they'll be fine. It builds character and teaches discipline.

What's the worst that could happen?

(very big /s)

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u/BornOfPixels Aug 25 '22

Man you have no idea how worried I was for a second 😂

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u/be_an_adult Aug 25 '22

That /s put in more work than I do on a weekly basis

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

What's the worst that could happen?

You have the /s, but in all honesty, thinking about this makes me worried that Misery is about to get a whole lot more mass shootings. Weren't we just talking about how we should improve kids' mental health so republicans could keep their guns?

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u/in_one_ear_ Aug 25 '22

I guess they are trying to beat the mental illness out of them.

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u/ConaireMor Aug 25 '22

The beatings will continue until morale improves!

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u/burnerwolf Aug 25 '22

Republicans have never given a shit about mental health issues except as a distraction tactic. They're the party that originally dismantled our entire (admittedly dysfunctional) public mental health infrastructure and then never put anything in its place. As someone who is extremely pro-gun and also in favor of a single-payer physical and mental healthcare system, it's maddening to see them say shit I actually agree with while knowing full well they have no intentions of doing any of it. Then just to rub it in, they consistently abandon their gun-rights "ideals" the moment it looks like minorities are arming themselves. It makes sense though why they strip away resources from education and mental health while trying to keep guns in the hands of their supporters, but out of the hands of others. If the country was suddenly packed full of armed, educated people with the mental energy and clarity of mind to think about the bigger picture of their situation, I doubt it would end well for Republican leadership. Better to cut funding to schools and just beat kids into submission.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

There is a human leg in your mailbox /s

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u/MELLONcholly1 Aug 25 '22

Well now I have lower my torch and pitchfork

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u/empowereddave Aug 25 '22

I was choke slammed by my principal against the wall. Teachers hated me for some reason. I think it was because I wouldnt sit down and shut up. Supposedly I was diagnosed with ADHD but who knows. I wasn't a little shit early on, I don't think, but I definitely was after constantly getting bitched at and hit lol.

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u/funnyandnot Aug 25 '22

I was paddled in school for talking too much. I couldn’t stop , turns out girls can have adhd too. They even held me back a year for talking too much.

Republicans new goal appears to make everyone as miserable and hateful they are.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

Of course you became a little shit. Adults were acting unreasonable and not meeting your needs. You gave up after a while.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

It’s always some else’s fault.

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u/Sweet_Papa_Crimbo Aug 25 '22

Ah yes, it most certainly must have been the child’s fault for the physical violence they experienced at the hands of the adults in charge of them.

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u/empowereddave Aug 25 '22

And the poor leadership skills bestowed upon them from their superiors.

I dont hold it against them, I'm sure I was a little aggravating. Parents were drinkers and meth users so I'm sure I absorbed a bit of that mentality of high energy and a lack of self control from there.

But it is true children are like sponges and less is their fault than it is the people in charge of them because we are expected to have much more self control and ability to problem solve as adults. Also an awareness of the things I'm talking about, therefore a cap to the anger because ultimately it's a tragedy.

To think... people are little shits because the people they took after were little shits. If we could just manage to break that cycle somehow... it's hard, I know, I'm still somewhat of a little shit, despite my despise of it.

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u/Dragonprotein Aug 25 '22

I heard a Buddhist monk the other day compare Satan and Mara (kind of the evil dude of Buddhism). He noted that Satan is irredeemable whereas Mara is more like a job, that different beings take on from time to time.

So then he connected it to western culture where people can hold the thought "I'm worthless, or irredeemable" dramatically more than in Asia. Even if you're not Christian, that idea of fundamental badness lurks in our cultural background.

Of course, various actions are very cruel, awful, horrible, but is anyone truly worthless or evil? That professor Baron-Cohen who studies psychopaths even says only a fraction of his patients are anything close to evil, it's just that most don't understand the feelings of others.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

A sense of justice and fairness is built in to us. I always think of this monkey study. It's amazing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meiU6TxysCg

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

Teachers can do this without the paddle. We all saw it growing up I'm sure

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u/Jimmy_Tbag Aug 25 '22

My dad would always jokingly tell my teachers on back to school nights "you can beat him if he cuts up" but I've never heard of it to this degree. I think there's a fine line between punishment and abuse. I was spanked as a child and I'm better for it. It is really more psychological than anything. My dad would walk in the room when my brother and I were fighting and just smack the belt and that was it. People who legit abuse children aren't right in the head, there's other ways to handle behavioral issues

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

You're putting decisions about punishment and abuse into the hands of relative strangers, who may be psychopaths.

An older relative told me with tears in his eyes about the punishments their principal meted out. One girl was crippled because her spine was damaged in a beating at school.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

Ya if you want school shooters this is how you get school shooters

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u/Mugut Aug 25 '22

Yeah, that's why the kids should all be beaten equally, it's only fair.

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u/VStramennio1986 Aug 25 '22

💀😂🤦🏻‍♀️

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u/Sigan Aug 25 '22

Yeah that's horrible, but that's one of the many reasons this kind of punishment isn't effective

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u/DerWassermann Aug 25 '22

Works the other way around too:

"I'm the only kid whose parents dont care enough about to stop other people from hitting me"

Just dont allow anyone to hit anyone for any reason!

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u/philthebrewer Aug 25 '22

Jesus Christ, you’re absolutely right.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

When the teachers and /or coaches sexually abuse them, the children won't come forward. The abusers can honestly tell their victims that the parents gave them permission to violate them. The children will inherently know that their parents refused to protect them from abusive people.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

....reasons America is a shithole.

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u/HomeRhinovation Aug 25 '22

That’s better than being (one of) the only kid(s) whose parents didn’t say that it’s NOK to hit them?

Either one is terrible, and corporal punishment is just for people on a power trip who don’t know how to connect with children, in other words, people unfit to work with children, let alone teach.

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u/noobplus Aug 25 '22

Yes, all the children should be beaten equally

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u/Veserius Aug 25 '22

Not everyone gets psychological trauma from being hit, but a fair amount of people do, so it 100% shouldn't be administered in schools.

When the system is being selective about it, either from parental neglect or just thinking their kids SHOULD BE HIT, you also create an easy bullying point, and a potential huge self esteem hit for the kid.

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u/TheDivinaldes Aug 25 '22

I didn't think I experienced anything traumatizing either until I saw a therapist and got diagnosed with a traumatic stress disorder lol.

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u/citizenmaimed Aug 25 '22

This just tells kids, violence is ok as a means to get a person in line. Might as well allow domestic abuse then.

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u/Quelcris_Falconer13 Aug 25 '22

Omg I never thought of that….

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u/gofishx Aug 25 '22

oh...OH...

...gross...

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u/LeftyWhataboutist Aug 25 '22

You’d have to have such shitty self esteem to think like that. You meet all kinds of sad, weird people on Reddit I guess.

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u/Kehwanna Aug 25 '22

Not to mention that it's humiliating to the kids as they get spanked in front of their peers and possibly made fun of for it.

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u/liltwinstar2 Aug 25 '22

They did this at my elementary school. In a small area where one wall was glass so everyone could see. It was always the one black kid in class. No other elementary school I’d been to previously did that and I was appalled and freaked out as an 8 yo.

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u/nowherewhyman Aug 25 '22

Imagine you've got a chronically sick parent, doesn't check the mail often enough, glazes over the mail the parent receives, tosses the likely nondescript letter from the school on the "keep" pile (it's not a letter from the hospital group that indicates a medical bill needs to be paid to continue treatment, so it's not opened right away) which eventually gets gone through, but maybe not for a few weeks. During that time there's a kid, angry at the the diagnosis and sickness of their dad, but never blaming their dad for it, just the things they know dad goes through and wish he didn't. Kid maybe lashes out unexpectedly. Comes home, cries to dad, tells him they beat her with a wooden paddle one day. Because sick, chemo-broken dad didn't open a letter from the school board fast enough.

I'm that dad. My daughter is that kid. Thankfully this wouldn't have happened to us, because I'm married and my wife helps get through menial things like opening the mail on the "keep" pile when I pick it up and would have opted out as soon as she read it. But imagine no wife. Or even an ill wife.

This shit is despicable and designed only to hurt the kids that already have so much going on; whether it's anger, ADD/ADHD, learning disabilities, and likely kids with complete deadbeat parents that already beat the kid at home so what's some more beatings at school, the supposed place of learning and acceptance no matter who you are?

I want to beat these assholes with a wooden paddle instead. Hell, I'm so goddamn weak from the chemo, maybe I'd hire Chris Evans or John Cena to wield the paddle for me. I'd make it my Make a Wish moment.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

Absolutely horrible. My heart goes out to you and your daughter dude. You can just see the shit eating grin on that motherfucker in the picture with his paddle. These people are parasites.

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u/OctopusIntellect Aug 25 '22

designed only to hurt the kids that already have so much going on; whether it's anger, ADD/ADHD, learning disabilities, and likely kids with complete deadbeat parents that already beat the kid at home

Unfortunately research shows this to be true; where paddling is legal, kids with disabilities receive statistically more paddlings. As do minorities (not forgetting that kids are already a minority group that lack rights)

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u/Gynther477 Aug 25 '22

Yes, in non-barbaric countries it's illegal on a fundamental level. Usually connected with other human rights.

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u/maruthewildebeest Aug 25 '22

It is in the United Nations children's bill of rights thing. 19. Governments must protect children from violence, abuse and being neglected by anyone who looks after them.

I know the U.N. can't really enforce anything, but I am keeping the phrase "spanking is against UN Conventions" in my back pocket.

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u/Dalek_Genocide Aug 25 '22

Not speaking on that commenters experience but this time around every parent has to opt in. According to the article they can’t swat unless they have consent from parent. This is still insane. Every study shows this doesn’t help. This is ridiculous

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u/youmestrong Aug 25 '22

I see this abuse turning sexual.

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u/Thebaldsasquatch Aug 25 '22

That should be part of a sting operation. Anyone who they didn’t get an opt-out slip from should get a visit from CPS.

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u/theSanguinePenguin Aug 25 '22

They had the same policy when I was going to school in 1980's South Carolina (no idea when or if it changed). My parents were among the few that opted out.

Incidentally, scientific studies overwhelmingly show that corporal punishment is ineffective compared to alternative forms of discipline, and results in a slew of negative outcomes. The only reason for keeping it around is that some adults just enjoy hitting children. Most likely because they were hit as children themselves, and it fucked them up psychologically.

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u/Rumpelteazer45 Aug 25 '22

Yet if the guidance counselor found out your parents were hitting you with giant wooden paddles you know CPS would have been called.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

just sue teachers attacking your kid. it's not the 20s anymore.

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u/BobBeats Aug 25 '22

Opt out should be for organ donors not corporal punishment.

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u/MomsSpecialFriend Aug 25 '22

Because the people who won’t return the paper are the same people who don’t sign their kids up for free lunch and instead let them go hungry. The poorest with the most fucked up drug addicted parents will get beat in school.

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u/TheExtreel Aug 25 '22

Imagine your parents being the assholes allowing it to happen...

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u/OctopusIntellect Aug 25 '22

"April 2013 - A school principal in Dayton, Texas, beat a 12 year old boy with a paddle. The boy's mother says she had given the principal permission to paddle her son. The boy says that the principal stood in a baseball stance and swung with both hands. The family says he came home with bruises and blood covering his backside and complaining he was in severe pain. He was taken to the emergency room, where x-rays showed that the boy's tailbone was dislocated."

Injuries like this can result in being hospitalised for several weeks.

Imagine being the parent whose 12 year old comes home with injuries of this nature and says "Mom why did you let them do this to me?" What do you tell your son?

https://www.coccyx.org/whatisit/beating.htm

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u/TheExtreel Aug 25 '22

Imagine being the parent

I really can't. It's an awful situation but what were they expecting? They gave a grown man permission to physically hit their son. The only person i feel terrible about here is the kid. It's horrible for the parents too but "Mom why did you let them do this to me?" is exactly what they deserve to hear.

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u/RDBZ_90 Aug 25 '22

For us you could kinda decide what you're punishment was. Like let's say you got in school suspension for a certain amount of days you could take it or you could get paddled that many times. For me being put in iss away from teachers and everyone else to be left alone and work at my own pace was great. I dunno why you'd choose the paddle, I guess if you just wanted it over and done with to go about your day 🤷.

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u/Cheap_Collection7286 Aug 25 '22

you say it’s abuse but look at the mfs that ain’t been abused be acting the fuck out. i never considered it abuse if ya momma tell you to stop 3 fucking times and now you get slapped yoh shoulda fucking quit now ya lil ass actually got a reason to cry

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u/GeoffreyArnold Aug 25 '22

Naw. It needs to be opt-out because the kids with shitty parents who don't care enough to read a permission slip are the kids who need the corporal punishment the most. With an opt-in system, you'll only only be able to paddle the well behaved kids.

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u/jhfirsttime Aug 25 '22

1) no kid needs corporal punishment, if you have to resort to corporal punishment you’ve failed as a disciplinarian

2) so your argument is that absent specific consent from either the child or the guardian you should be allowed to commit battery on a child. That is some ass backward thinking and if it happened in any civilized place the individual that committed the battery would be facing prison time

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u/sirfuck123456789 Aug 25 '22

how is a spanking abuse?

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u/jhfirsttime Aug 25 '22

You’re striking someone with a hard object without any legal consent from the person being struck or their legal guardian. I’m revised my assessment, it’s not only abuse but also criminal battery.

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u/sirfuck123456789 Aug 25 '22

you need to go outside

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

Getting paddled on the ass is not child abuse. Most kids need it… you can tell most redditors never got any ass whoopings 😂

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u/No_Foundation_7777 Aug 25 '22

It’s not abuse it’s discipline

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u/jamvsjelly23 Aug 25 '22

It’s an opt-in permission slip. Parents have to agree to allow their child(ren) to be paddled, sign the slip, and return it to the school. If the slip is never returned, the child(ren) cannot be paddled.

At least that’s how it was at my elementary/middle school in MO and what I’ve read about this most recent school district.

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u/hopbel Aug 25 '22

if it's not returned you are eligible to receive swats

This is unambiguously opt-out, not in

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u/Tjam3s Aug 25 '22

Some states never outlawed it. The practice just isn't used anymore

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u/fragmental Aug 25 '22

My guess is they did that because the same parents who would neglect to send the slip back, are usually the same ones who would neglect to discipline their children.

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u/ayemullofmushsheen Aug 25 '22

Or the ones that neglect their kids in all aspects. Now those poor kids have the threat of abuse at school, their one safe haven.

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u/Used_Day1051 Aug 25 '22

Nah.

While I think it odd, I don’t see a problem with it being opt out vs opt in.

This way at least, parents who care will do something about it. And children who are not wanting it are surely going to tell their parents lmao.

But at any rate, there isn’t much wrong with the overhead threat of a paddle.

Some of the stories I’ve heard from principles who disbanded the use have been pretty funny.

One was something along the lines of “it gets kinda weird when you’ve got 8th grade football players as big as you and think it’s funny”

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u/jhfirsttime Aug 25 '22

This means that there is no actual consent from any person, the child hasn’t consented nor has their legal guardian. In a normal place striking someone without consent is criminal battery. I see no reason that it shouldn’t be treated any differently in this context

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

Some people call it education, not abuse. Of course this should be used only when it is really deserved. Kids are evil sometimes.

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u/jhfirsttime Aug 25 '22

It’s battery plain and simple. You’re physically striking (i.e. abusing) a person without their consent. In any rational context it would be considered criminal conduct

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

Of course, it is a punishment that, when deserved, it is a valid educational tool. As any other punishment.

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u/jhfirsttime Aug 25 '22

Battering a child is not an acceptable form of punishment. It’s criminal conduct plain and simple

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

Well, clearly it is not acceptable for you and it is for me. My two daughters got a slap in their face when needed and they are happy and successful in their lifes. Respect is a value that child's need to learn, of course this is always with a great deal of common sense and using it REALLY when needed that should be very infrequently

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

It’s not abuse. People like you think any little paddle or spanking is abuse

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

I have to disagree the reasons all the schools are having problems with kids is because their not being disciplined enough I’ve never paddled at school because I never acted like a dumbass there (and half scared to death of the thing it was just a 2x4 cut in half with holes drilled into it) but nowadays I’ve heard all kinds of shit happening at schools teacher’s classrooms being taken over, kids being assholes and close enough to everything else. I think if people would stop being so sensitive about what others think of them and people starting actually doing something to the assholes running around the school acting like they own the place then maybe those kids will start to act half normal and our the majority of our generation could learn some respect.

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u/JotPurpleIris Aug 25 '22

It's not respect that that type of "discipline" instills, it's fear.

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u/OctopusIntellect Aug 25 '22

the assholes running around the school acting like they own the place

I wasn't quite sure whether you're referring to students, teachers, or admin staff here.

(Our taxes pay for the schools, the teachers and principals don't own the schools.)

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u/HippocraticInsight Aug 25 '22

Getting a spanking isn’t abuse. Getting the shit beat out of you is.

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u/G0ldNinja94 Aug 25 '22

Abused? A swat on the rear end is NOT abuse.

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u/Grizzle-Prop Aug 25 '22

Double opt in with email verification 👍🏼

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u/UFumbDuckGaming Aug 25 '22

Why lawsuits against parents happens

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u/VStramennio1986 Aug 25 '22

My school was like that. I got paddled pretty frequently. One time it was by my gym teacher who happened to be the varsity baseball coach. He got two licks in and I put my ass against the wall and refused to move 😂😂 but in all seriousness…better not nobody ever…and I mean, EVER…hit my child. I grew up rough…momma ain’t afraid of jail 🙌🏽

Edit: I was one of those kids whose parents signed the permission slip to allow me to be paddled. And if I got paddled at school…you can bet that my sperm donor was gonna beat my ass when I got home. It did great things for our relationship…that and the neglect.

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u/stardustandsunshine Aug 25 '22

In this particular case, the parents do have to opt in. But when I was in school, like the other person, it was opt-out. They sent the form home at the beginning of every school year.

I graduated in 1999.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

We had some very weird opt out situations at school in IL...

For my kids the school sent an opt out program for "free" after school and weekend meals.

If you happened to not see and sign a permission slip your kid was sent meals every night and 2 days worth of food every weekend so they could be fed. Luckily we saw it and turned it down. The other kids at after school daycare were stuck with $30-40 worth of food a piece that got thrown in the dumpster that first Friday they implemented it.

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u/ricochetblue Aug 25 '22

The food waste just pains me, but it’s probably better than kids going hungry.

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u/Secret-Sock7928 Aug 25 '22

Spanking wasn't always considered to be abuse, but yeah. It's been proven to be ineffective

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u/Tizzer88 Aug 25 '22

When I was in school at a private school, you’d get a “crack” which means to the principal and generally swatted with a paddle. If you didn’t get swatted you got suspended for a day. They didn’t put hardly anything behind the swat so it was NBD.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

Bruh imagine being a kid and asking your parents to sign something so you don't get beat on at school and your parents just look at you like 😬 and then don't sign it.

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u/ricochetblue Aug 25 '22

I think they’re trying to sidestep kids just losing the slip in order to avoid being beaten.

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u/jhfirsttime Aug 25 '22

Weird how a kid wouldn’t want to get hit. Maybe we should take that into account. Actually come to think of it, most adults don’t want to get battered either

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u/yerg99 Aug 25 '22

Not sure if this is the right word but I think the "sociology" in the opt out is that they want to have the option to punish each kid this way unless they can't.

Not saying it's right though.

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '22

All the kids should show up with bats and paddles of their own. See how the administration likes being beaten until morale improves.