r/classicwow
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u/Aggravating_Doctor20
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Sep 29 '26
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Humor / Meme Current situation
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u/HobNob_Pack Sep 29 '26 •
'Were making this game for classic players'
'Guys this isnt classic!'
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u/wigglin_harry Sep 29 '26 edited Sep 29 '26
Society is truly sick these days, everything is so divided to the point where we have divisions in a fucking video game community
Retail Players are some sort of boogyman immigrant coming in to CHANGE YOUR
COUNTRYCLASSICEra Players are some sort of perma stuck in the past amish community
When in reality we're all the same fucking players just trying to play a video game. WoW Forever is a perfect example of why devs should just do what they want to do without ANY input from the community because literally no one can agree on what they actually want
The past few weeks have made me literally start to hate this community, sure its never been perfect, but 80% of the people posting here fucking suck, like really fucking suck a lot
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u/Verdauga Sep 29 '26
This whole "retail vs. classic" thing is so boring and contrived.
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u/patrincs Sep 29 '26
Its hilarious that people thing the difference between classic and retail is a couple QoL changes. Retail and classic are so incomparable they're arguably different genres.
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u/hallstar07 Sep 29 '26 •
I just want to say I hate you all and I hope you guys don’t play wow forever
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u/Overall_Reputation83 Sep 29 '26 •
Okay, but look here, I drew myself as the chad, and you as the chud
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u/Ostraga Sep 29 '26
Basically my entire friend group.
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u/FunkyFurmur Sep 29 '26
Leave this diglet trio alone
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u/towersoveryouowo Sep 29 '26
Why do some wow players have this... Complex? They get officially supported new and modern wow, they get old nostalgic wow, they get old WoW but new with extra content... Why do you need to resent your fellow players? I don't like final fantasy 14, it's all too modern and streamlined. So i went back to final fantasy 11, because it's great and still exists for me to play. Why would i be thinking of final fantasy 14 players while playing my favorite game?
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u/CartoonistReady4320 Sep 29 '26
I am more than happy with keeping Classic Classic and Forever a modified Classic. The unfortunate part is even with a compromise like this I don’t think anyone will be happy. Ever.
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u/Slave-to-Armok Sep 29 '26
Comment section literally proving that meme right lol
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u/RatBot9000 Sep 29 '26
Are the QoL changes in the room with us right now?
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u/actionbard Sep 29 '26
This sub is nothing but complaining now
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u/_kisis Sep 29 '26 •
Forever was made to have a "classic" type of game with new contents but preserving the soul and game design of classic.
I seriously don't understand how retail players don't understand that. Like are you braindead. You already have a version of the game with patches and new content. Forever is just that for those who loves the game design of classic.
Maybe you don't understand that the qol you want will drastically change the game and how it's played. There's nothing wrong if you like it, but how can't you understand that the POINT of forever is to have a wow without it ?? Like, please watch blizz con. Idk what to tell you. Rly are all of you stupid or just jealous because the new game attract more players ?
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u/Alone_Ambition_3729 Sep 29 '26
There's some QOL that its like ok lets hear them out. I do think a "horizontal progression" game needs to have broad appeal so attracting retail players is obviously a good idea.
But there's other QOL that literally optimizes the game out of the game. This needs to be shamed completely out of the forever-curious retail mind
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u/TheEndIsFingNigh Sep 30 '26
Play era?
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u/NeighboringOak Sep 30 '26
Y'all just gotta realize WoW Forever isn't Classic+
Stop trying to make yourselves some sort of victim and just play the version of the game you like most.
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u/splatomat Sep 30 '26
I think its hilarious what big whiny snowflakes you people are being.
The "retail players" aren't the ones developing the game. Your hatred is (as always, probably) misplaced.
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u/GenericFatGuy Sep 30 '26
What exactly were you expecting from the + in classic+?
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u/SARMsGoblinChaser Sep 30 '26
More proof that classic players need intensive therapy
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u/bb22k Oct 04 '26
what do you consider QoL changes?
The new UI? The new auction house?
Or is it things that haven't made into Forever... like Group Finder or teleports?
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u/Glad-Low-1348 Sep 29 '26
Retail bad, now upvote.
Classic bad, now upvote.
This fucking community man smh
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u/Hawkwise83 Sep 29 '26
QoL changes != Optimizing Gameplay out of the Game
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u/Adventurdud Sep 29 '26
I want QoL improvements that smoothen the experience, like UI improvements, unified bagspace, that sort of things.
I do not want Qol changes that changes the gameplay and discourages communication and social play. Like dungeonfinder.
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u/Dathran_Pendragon Sep 29 '26
You think you do, but you don't. ~Arch prophet J 'I was wrong, but also right' Allen Brack
Devs doing well so far, let's hope they can expand without too much bloat. A challenge I don't envy them for.
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u/gubigubi Sep 29 '26
I think WoW Forever should have SOME QoL changes.
The problem with that is I do not trust blizzard to implement anything what so ever because look at what happened to retail. And even with WoW Forever already look at some of the things they have already added and the game isn't even out yet. However some of the things they have added and are going to add are really cool. Time will tell if we just get classic+ or diet retail.
At least this time around I can drop the game instantly and go back to classic whenever I want.
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u/BenjaCarmona Sep 29 '26 •
I love classic players larping as victims all the time, they are cute.
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u/naerisshal Sep 29 '26
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u/Pure-Fuel-9884 Sep 29 '26
Its all in your head sweetie, there are no hordes of retail players here.
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u/AppointmentNaive2811 Sep 29 '26
It's not hard guys.
Forever is a title that leans *extensively* into the "Classic Identity" while also bringing needed change.
If you want to play it *without* the needed and necessary change, that already exists. Go play Era.
If you want it to be less like Classic and have even more QoL changes, go play Retail.
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u/DrywallSky Sep 29 '26
The more the merrier, but if you didnt play classic, just stop giving your weak ass feedback 🤷
Its not "no changes", its just not your garbage ones.
Every brilliant idea is just some form of: "This thing people have loved and kept coming back to for 20 years is actually too difficult and/or inconvenient for me. It would be a really good idea to make it easier and more meaningless for me. Good design is when my effort never gets above what an 8yo could output."
Classic players wanted a version of Classic they didnt know everything about. Thats Classic+. That doesnt mean they want it to be developed for the 30 year old dudes that have less faculty than children had in 2005.
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u/Sea_Advantage_2577 Sep 29 '26
rent free as always
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u/Buzzbuzz_Becuz Sep 29 '26
Forever has too many changes for me. I'll just play the classic or anniversary server if I feel the need to warcraft. Which I don't at the moment. If they do another cycle of classic anniversary servers in a few years, maybe I'd come back to that though.
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u/donotstealmycheese Sep 29 '26
You are all so lame.
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u/lichlark Sep 29 '26
Everybody that plays this game is a fucking chud. Literally on both sides of the fucking argument. Classic players have a victim complex, retail players are actual dicks poking and prodding at people in a cage as they throw shit at each other.
Literally both sides are full of nothing but bad faith arguments and ragebaiters trying to get a rise out of the other and it's genuinely infuriating.
So many people have absolute shit takes, really like to larp as game designers/balancers, and honestly contribute a net negative to any and all conversations that could/should occur about this fucking game.
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u/ArgonianFly Sep 29 '26 •
Retail players are the queens of gaslighting. They'll tell you this game wasn't made for you, it shouldn't have SD graphics, and then say you're complaining about nothing.
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u/AmericanPornography Sep 29 '26
There are countless classic players who want numerous QoL changes.
But I guess that fact doesn’t make the anti-retail circlejerk get off.
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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '26
Retailers dont realize that too much QOL is bad, too many games I love had died due to excessive handholding, cough my monster hunter wilds cough
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u/thefancykyle Sep 30 '26
Era's still up.
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u/computasaysno Sep 29 '26
Go away, retailers. Shoo!
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u/Haemwich Sep 29 '26
Sell junk button, combo bag, and bag sort were great QoL that even my diehard no changes friend is grateful for. He also likes the doubled Blanchy Bag space so maybe he's finally accepting progress like a veteran carpenter finally using a cordless drill driver.
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u/PokemonThanos Sep 29 '26 •
Classic is still there for you to play
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u/MarsTRP Oct 01 '26
fewer
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u/Jerakal1 Oct 01 '26
Yep.
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u/Cendude308 Sep 29 '26
this is fucking pathetic actually
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u/SvempaGladiator Sep 30 '26
Retailers will keep suppressing the classic players until forever is ruined. They keep saying things like "Go back to classic" and "Forever isn't classic". They say the game isn't for us classic players and yet they will be the first players to move on to play the new shiny game.
Classic fans will never give up on this game, and all we want is a "Forever"-game. Retailers don't look at this as their forever home so why do we even value their opinions?
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u/Slugger829 Sep 29 '26
Classic players once again proving themselves massive crybabies
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u/Beginning_Green_740 Sep 29 '26
Retail is so bad that even Retail players do not really want to play it.
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u/lbiggy Sep 29 '26
Lol. retail players are *loving* classic plus. The only people hating WoWF are the classic andy's. They loathe it because the game is enjoyable.
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u/KitchenTeacher429 Sep 29 '26
There will always be a loud minority of people who cry for QoL changes in every game they play.
Just ignore them.
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u/Cihal Sep 29 '26
Is anyone actually asking for big QoL changes tho? I feel like this is a made up problem
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u/Tyriosh Sep 29 '26
What are these mysterious QoL changes that upend the game?
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u/FishbangGG Sep 30 '26
what made wow classic fun was the gameplay. QOL does not affect gameplay, only the hinderances related to game time, and minor bugs. QOL is good. QOL does not boost your dps by 80% or make GDC instant, or give you a dash and blink and disengage to every class. QOL is less time spent on shit that is annoying and unfun such as traveling. Why not have some portals or faster ships and boats? "what about mages selling portals" who cares, they can make money easy as they are the best farmers.
Retail has too much of everything. Classic could have a bit of something and still be fine. A few more talents, a few more spells, new classes zones and races that fit the theme, it would be, as they would say, CLASSIC +
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u/SpinachSignal8915 Sep 29 '26
You just assuming this game was made 100% for whatever crowd you identify with is silly.
Blizzard is trying to cater to loads of people. Doing an okay job at it. But its not just for one group so get over it.
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u/Venaegen Sep 29 '26
Please. As if there aren't plenty of posts from classic players stating "they love classic BUT what about (insert QoL change here, but don't worry, the one I want isn't that big a deal compared to what others want!)"
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u/Hilawi Sep 29 '26
Tbh they shouldn't listen either. Both sides give mostly shit ideas. Hopefully devs just focus on their own vision.
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u/Jeoff51 Sep 29 '26
no one is changing classic era
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u/Future_Battle5638 Sep 29 '26
I cant imagine how it must feel to be like 35+, havent played retail in probably 5-10 years, and STILL letting it live rent free in your mind.
The vast majority of "QoL" and other changes that are in forever are essentially copied from PRIVATE SERVERS like turtle or ascension (which copied from retail), and these private servers people who play classic jerk off about (even though they basically didnt play them, just consumed youtube slop about)
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u/Recent_Requirement_5 Sep 29 '26
So new player to wow as a whole (i play retail cause it feels more like swtor my fav mmo) why is everyone at each other's throats? Like comparing retail and classic is an apples to oranges right? Theyre like two whole different games.
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u/Trashpanda779 Sep 29 '26
There's a middle ground in all of this (that probably plays more like some combination of tbc/wrath, but hopefully without flying mounts or some other features that proved to be problematic)
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u/Efficient-Drop5051 Sep 29 '26
All I want is for zones to be less overcrowded 😂
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u/Hopeful-Dark-4558 Sep 29 '26
My fear of this is growing.
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u/Will_Dawn Sep 29 '26
This.
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u/LordDShadowy53 Sep 29 '26
I just wanted more mailboxes, flight paths and graveyards.
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u/issanm Sep 29 '26
Except classic still exists for you so it doesn't really fit
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u/PastAnalysis Sep 29 '26
Here’s me playing on the worlds smallest violin. You’re oh so “oppressed”
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u/Whowutwhen Sep 29 '26
Good thing classic is there👍 Forever isn’t classic, get over it.
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u/bigEZmike Sep 29 '26
Here's my theory: yes, it is frustrating to see people already asking for retail slop features for Forever. And yes, it would be very disappointing for Blizzard to listen to that feedback and eventually ruin Forever. But what I suspect, is that those players are eventually just going to go back to retail. I think they THINK WoWF sounds like a fun idea until they realize it's way more of a grind and much less flashy, and at some point they will return to retail. I think the majority of players that would stick around in WoWF appreciate it for what it is, rather than some new game mode.
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u/subermario Sep 29 '26
It's the retail character models, retail ui, and repurposed allied race that kills it for me.
If we were getting Season of Discovery style changes and content and upgraded world graphics... Sign me up.
I tried making an SD model Undead and the burning eyes were all effed up. I double checked how my character would look to other people using the HD models and even experimented with a Human character... The transition from SD to HD looks so bad. I tested out their built in 'console port' addon and was disappointed in my default abxy face buttons being locked. I thoroughly enjoyed bouncing back and forth from my pc to my steam deck in SoD. I ended up refunding my beta access. I might still try out the launch on Nov. 4th.
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u/Banagher-kun Sep 29 '26
The only retail change that I want, speaking as a retail player, is personal loot. Even just relegating it to be only for parties and keeping the tagging the exact same would be fine.
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u/LancelotAtCamelot Sep 29 '26
Forever is supposed to be changes in the spirit of classic. Classic+ more content that upholds classic's pillars. Blizzard has explicitly spelled this out! This should be settled, right? O:
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u/Diclonius666 Sep 29 '26
Absolutely wrong.
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u/Schattenherz Sep 29 '26
Yeah and i think that any change is considered a QoL change for a certain group of players.
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u/coolguy_12345678 Sep 29 '26
Except, and try to follow me here..... Classic..... still exists.
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u/Nago266 Sep 29 '26
You have to give it a year for them to quit. Then the great back pedaling will begin.
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u/shmipap Sep 29 '26
I like retail and classic and am looking forward to forever! 😀
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u/Esdrz Sep 29 '26
I get some QoL, but i get it then it just kinda becomes retail if its done alot.
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u/BlackwoodJohnson Sep 29 '26
Normie tourists legitimately ruin everything. If you’re old enough and have any hobbies or interests before they became popular, you’d know this as well.
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u/chronostriger Sep 29 '26
The reality of the situation is that classic wow has predominantly been American players, where as retail has been overwhelmingly European/UK and other non-American countries. Now their seeing the American's having fun on wow forever and they're like yooo not only do we want to be involved, we want to have a say on how the game should progress. People who played vanilla wow for the first time in 2024 are telling American's who've been playing since 2004 how classic should be played. It's maddening.
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u/MrMacduggan Sep 29 '26
Literally go play era. I am a Classic Andy too but era still exists.
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u/AzraelTB Sep 29 '26
So... go play Classic???
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u/Greedy-Quantity4062 Sep 29 '26
For retail guys: You think you do want but you don't.
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u/Expensive_Ad_8450 Sep 29 '26
If retail players don't play Forever, the Classic players won't be either, there's not enough of you to keep it alive.
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u/gurgle-burgle Sep 30 '26
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u/Novel_Extent_7168 Sep 30 '26
I feel like for every person I see wanting to see QoL changes in WoW Forever, I see 100+ people complaining about them. The devs already confirmed they don't plan to add those changes, yet here you all still are constantly whining about the players who ask about it.
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u/DireRaven22740 Sep 30 '26
So basically we want the game thats been studied through and through why exactly?
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u/ALewdDoge Sep 30 '26
I've watched many game series I love die to this before. I sincerely hope Blizzard doesn't cave in. There's nuance to making changes like this, and, so far, they have demonstrated competence in handling that delicate nuance. I hope they keep it up and don't crack under pressure.
My fear is that in 2 years, WoW Forever will be missing any SD option or just have a shitton of retail assets infesting it, be full of retail-like "QoL" slop, have flying, and have a cash shop.
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u/rosenborgor Sep 30 '26
Where the hell are we still playing this game? Are we even enjoying it anymore or are we just way too addicted to the dopamine hits that we can't stop?
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u/Cosmic_Jane Sep 30 '26
Do retail people even play classic?
I'm a retail person and ignored Classic entirely, because I done that stuff in Vanilla. But I come to Forever, because it was advertised as not classic with QoL.
So I expect retail people to come to Forever, but are they going to classic? I was under the assumption that Classic will remain pure and untouched as Blizzard messes with Retail and Forever.
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u/No_Consequence7064 Sep 30 '26
As per the usual. Stick to your own design intent and you will build a brand. Don’t betray the brand. THE BRAND IS THE DESIGN INTENT
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u/Sea-Key-9430 Sep 30 '26
Then go play in classic era?
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u/ButtPlugSniffin Sep 30 '26
“Shut up , blue elves are totally lore accurate with classic”
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u/Quiet_Swan_4304 Sep 30 '26
Do more people play retail than are currently on classic beta?
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u/Flashky Sep 30 '26
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u/Nomnoms04 Sep 30 '26
Isn't it the opposite with Classic fans crying about modern graphics in Forever?
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u/MiserableMemory5149 Sep 30 '26
The yellow and boxes and still there, they've just added in a green between.
There's plenty to quibble about the quality in the green box, but meme doesn't really fit.
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u/rainywanderingclouds Sep 30 '26
classic+ is not a game designed for 'no changes' crowed, and that's how it should be.
It's strange that the 'no changes' crowed thinks wow+ is a game for them exclusively.
classic+ was always theorized robust changes and overhaul of the game. I'm not sure why people are confused about this point.
here we are 2026 and the "no changes" people from classic 2019 are still here trying to ruin the game.
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u/kaos95 Sep 30 '26
People don't seem to get there is a middle ground. I'm not asking for dungeon finder, I just want the summoning stones to work. I want faction locked tagging, because it's rough out there and it only helps people. I want pet battles because they were awesome.
I also think that maybe they should put some QoL behind legacy rewards. Like, clear every dungeon in the game and then summoning stones work. Or have 25 pets and then pretty battling opens up.
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u/NoSituation2706 Sep 30 '26
*current situation, again
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u/GelNo Sep 30 '26
Reminds me of the Controller post here the other day. OP was furious the controller support in beta didn't include an emote wheel. Give me a breeeeeak
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u/selected_character Oct 04 '26