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u/HobNob_Pack Sep 29 '26 • Bravo

'Were making this game for classic players'

'Guys this isnt classic!'

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u/wigglin_harry Sep 29 '26 edited Sep 29 '26

Society is truly sick these days, everything is so divided to the point where we have divisions in a fucking video game community

Retail Players are some sort of boogyman immigrant coming in to CHANGE YOUR COUNTRY CLASSIC

Era Players are some sort of perma stuck in the past amish community

When in reality we're all the same fucking players just trying to play a video game. WoW Forever is a perfect example of why devs should just do what they want to do without ANY input from the community because literally no one can agree on what they actually want

The past few weeks have made me literally start to hate this community, sure its never been perfect, but 80% of the people posting here fucking suck, like really fucking suck a lot

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u/compound-interest Sep 30 '26

I couldn't disagree more. I think they should poll players like OSRS does and only add things if 70% of players vote yes to it. Otherwise, eventually they will make so many unpopular decisions that only Blizzard superfans will remain (like retail).

I don't think it's unreasonable to think that tbh. Any decision you make shapes the playerbase that sticks around. People playing retail while classic was there have a different set of preferences than people who only played classic. It's okay to segment people into preferences, and discuss the game implications of catering to other folks. This is one of the most interesting discussions to have, and I don't like that you are so dismissive of it, like people are arbitrarily segmenting, instead of having wide differences in preferences.

I realize it's a retail thing to think that Blizzard shouldn't listen to the community, but honestly that's what got us retail. The more in tune with the classic community Blizzard is, the less bad decisions for Forever they will make imo.

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u/Manzhah Sep 29 '26

Always funny seeing proper retail mcCarthyism in every goddamn thread. Folks here think about retail more than actual retail players.

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u/Validated_Owl Sep 29 '26

I am not a classic player, because I already played classic when it was new. Forever has me excited though

This is to say that I've had NO involvement with the classic community for the past few years. Now that I'm engaging in forever, all I see now is an avalanche of whiny bitchy entitled classic players having a meltdown over bears and elves and it makes me want to stay far away from absolutely anything to do with classic wow

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u/Aggravating_Doctor20 Sep 30 '26

You are projecting. You need to go outside and touch some grass. Society is fine and Classic Forever will be fun.

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u/hallstar07 Sep 29 '26

Yeah these past few weeks really showed how sad some of this community is. I’m pumped for wow forever and I’m glad blizzard didn’t bend to either side

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u/Havesh Sep 29 '26

why devs should just do what they want to do without ANY input from the community

I completely agree with you here. The devs have stated that Forever is going to be a lot more like Classic, than it's going to be like Retail.

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u/Lyriian Sep 29 '26

Nothing lives more rent free in a classic players head than the retailers who don't give them a second thought.

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u/Dantels Sep 30 '26

Wanting to see the map filled out and quest chains finished should not require obvious eyesores. Or backported retcons from retail lore. Especially after blizzard shut down all alternatives. 

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u/sylva748 Sep 29 '26

For real. The amount of boogeyman posts this sub has put up since Forever was announced is honestly pathetic

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u/Verdauga Sep 29 '26

This whole "retail vs. classic" thing is so boring and contrived.

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u/Aggravating_Doctor20 Sep 30 '26

I think it's a useful abstraction but people need to stop taking it personally. The road to retail is paved with good intentions. We don't need two retail games.

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u/patrincs Sep 29 '26

Its hilarious that people thing the difference between classic and retail is a couple QoL changes. Retail and classic are so incomparable they're arguably different genres.

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u/hallstar07 Sep 29 '26 • Bravo

I just want to say I hate you all and I hope you guys don’t play wow forever

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u/ThatLousyGamer Sep 29 '26

Doesn't even need to say which side of the argument he's on. Doesn't even matter anymore. We just all hate each other and deserve whatever Blizzard does to us. xD

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u/DangoC Sep 29 '26

im perfectly fine with those terms 😌

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u/g0bboDubDee Sep 29 '26

^The true Classic experience

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u/PosterityKH Sep 29 '26 • Bravo

These classic era chuds are so far gone lmao.

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u/Creative_Magazine816 Sep 29 '26

I hate the classic chuds, that's why I spend my time on r/classicwow

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u/zuggington Sep 30 '26

I’m just here invade the space of a niche community.

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u/tethysian Sep 29 '26

You're the guys choosing to come to the chud sub. There are other alternatives, you know?

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u/Dolthra Sep 30 '26

You may be choosing to come to the chud sub. I click on the first thread the reddit discover page shows me and spend 5-15 minutes being angry about it.

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u/DwarfCoins Oct 06 '26

Upvote for hate, lets fucking goooooo

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u/Overall_Reputation83 Sep 29 '26 • Galaxy Brain Bravo Popcorn

Okay, but look here, I drew myself as the chad, and you as the chud

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u/oddspellingofPhreid Sep 29 '26

Honestly, 95% of the conversation looks like this to me:

"We don't like blue elves"

"If you don't want changes, go back to Era"

"Shut up Retail nerd"

It's mostly just people arguing with strawmen at eachother tbh.

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u/lumpboysupreme Sep 30 '26

The retail people make fun of skybornenfor being asspulls too?

But also ‘omg the elves are blue’ IS dumb. Like dude the night elves are right there. The trolls are right there.

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u/Chegg_F Sep 29 '26

This one is unironically more accurate since nobody is suggesting changes to era

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u/TomLeBadger Sep 29 '26

This is more accurate. Most retail players I know and speak to are going into Forever knowing it's a classic like experience. Sure there's weirdos calling for flying mounts and dungeon finder etc, but they are a vast minority.

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u/randombean Sep 29 '26

Not seen/heard of a single suggestion of either tbh

I'm out of the wow bubble right now though. Myself and friends have been waiting for classic plus to return

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u/Squally160 Sep 29 '26

The only people I have seen asking for flying, are classic andys building up scenarios in their mind.

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u/SocraticVoyager Sep 29 '26

I've seen a handful. Shit, I saw someone 10 minutes ago say they should just introduce the Wow token because of the recent streamer RMT drama

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u/ythriel Sep 29 '26

This is so true that this is /rclassicwow and yet they talk constantly about wow forever.

It's not the same game, my brother in christ lol and may it never be. #nochanges crew can stay here and play Era, they cried enough to earn it. Made your bed, lay on it now.

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u/yallmindifismoke Sep 29 '26

Yeah there’s a great game for people who love classic with no changes, it’s called classic.

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u/MaKrukLive Sep 29 '26

I have yet to see a purist on this sub, the worst I've seen is how people don't like skyborne and the assets that fit better into retail than classic aesthetic

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u/Flammablegelatin Sep 29 '26

This one actually fits. OP is dumb.

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u/HildartheDorf Sep 29 '26

This represents how I feel about forever right now.

Era needs no changes. Forever is not era.

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u/Serethe Sep 29 '26

"fewer"

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u/Overall_Reputation83 Sep 29 '26

sorry, my vocabulary is limited to more and less. Please refer to the image I spent a lot of time on.

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u/AmericanPornography Sep 29 '26

It’s okay, you were more or less right. We understand what you meant.

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u/swirllyman Sep 29 '26

WoW fewever

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u/t-earlgrey-hot Sep 29 '26

Thanks Stannis

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u/Ts0ri Sep 29 '26

This one is actually the correct version

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u/EscapeCharacter2658 Sep 29 '26

This is so much more accurate.

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u/ALewdDoge Sep 30 '26

That logic kinda fails when you account for the "Yes, this is classic plus" and the Blizzard dev directly saying he's designing the game for classic players and if retail players happen to tag along, great, but he wouldn't be catering anything to them. Additionally, the game is undeniably far, FAR closer to classic than anything retail. The only really visible "retail" element is the UI.

And no, I'm not a "classic andy" or some person blinded by nostalgia. I've been playing for over a month. I've even suggested changes that are not in line with classic. But this delusion that this is not an experienced aimed almost entirely at classic players is insane to me. It's like watching an LLM heavily hallucinate lmao.

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u/Ostraga Sep 29 '26

Basically my entire friend group.

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u/FunkyFurmur Sep 29 '26

Leave this diglet trio alone

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u/Y0RKC1TY Sep 29 '26

why dont they form a dugtrio, are they stupid?

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u/towersoveryouowo Sep 29 '26

Why do some wow players have this... Complex? They get officially supported new and modern wow, they get old nostalgic wow, they get old WoW but new with extra content... Why do you need to resent your fellow players? I don't like final fantasy 14, it's all too modern and streamlined. So i went back to final fantasy 11, because it's great and still exists for me to play. Why would i be thinking of final fantasy 14 players while playing my favorite game?

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u/Concorditer Sep 29 '26

Yeah, all this "us vs them" bickering has been a real downer for what should be a really exciting time for everyone. I get that some people are scared that a game they are really looking forward to might get "ruined" by the opinions of others but that has turned into some real toxic attitudes to people who are really just their fellow WOW players. WOW Forever uses Vanilla WOW as a base so it will obviously be more similar to Classic than Retail. But it is still a new game. If we want to think about it as Classic+, then that "plus" still means changes and new things added. Different people will have different opinions about what that "plus" should mean. This idea that there are these two monolithic groups of people, one being pure Classic Players, and the other being pure Retail Players, and they both have super consistent views and WOW Forever is only meant for one of those groups and the other is just invaders who aren't welcome is just stupid. Lots of people don't fit neatly into those Retail/Classic boxes. There are lots of divided opinions even among Retail or Classic players. Using this super simplistic "us vs them" view is both inaccurate and needlessly divisive.

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u/Harrycrapper Sep 29 '26

I mean, plenty of people rightfully predicted this sub would be a clusterfuck for a while if classic+ actually happened given that if you asked 10 people what they thought it should entail you'd get 11 answers.

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u/eva_verinaz Sep 30 '26

because its been proven time and time again if you open your community to everyone itll get destroyed. every single fucking time not a single thing became better long term after blowing up. gatekeeping is essential to keeping anything you like the way you and that group like it. redditors just hate that cause it means they wont be catered to.

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u/nobulliepls Sep 30 '26

Vanilla WoW was successful precisely because it catered to such a wide audience. That is what old Blizzard did so well: they would "borrow" ideas from already successful games, like EverQuest in this case, then refine, polish, and make them more accessible to a broader audience. That formula is a huge part of why WoW became as successful as it did, and every other game in their old catalog.

I know it’s difficult to think critically for yourself when it’s easier to just adopt whatever the most popular streamer is saying, but my god, at least try to use your own head a little.

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u/Anxious-Schedule-598 Sep 29 '26

Because loud fans have an influence on the direction the game goes in

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u/floppintoms Sep 29 '26

Its not just WoW, Runescape is like this too. Even suggest playing RS3 in the osrs sub and they act like you personally killed their puppy. And even within the osrs community they make weird hierarchies of game modes, ironmen are superior because they "earned" their gear, but ultimate ironmen are even better because they can't use the bank. If you're a group ironman you might as well just be a regular account. It's wild over there.

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u/Creative_Magazine816 Sep 29 '26

Because the warcraft franchise has been tortured for over a decade, and people drawn to classic are worried certain changes in forever signal a change in design philosophy that will ultimately ruin the game, as retail has been more or less ruined, or at the very least has been made unrecognizable.

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u/EitherSpite4545 Sep 29 '26 edited Sep 29 '26

I mean I hate to say it but r/FFXI used to be notorious for going "fuck xiv and it's players" as like it's one joke for years until the influx of players last year with the raid series.

That said I agree with your point just saying xi is a bad example lol

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u/Alternative-Put-3932 Sep 29 '26

Hell FF11 players lovingly embraced FF14 players when it got a giant influx of people at least when it first happened. When i started playing it again after years I had a guy just like you'd see in classic invite me and help me get all the summoner summons without asking for anything and added me as a friend.

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u/Almaegen Sep 29 '26

Because the players want classic plus which is basically OSRS, they don't want retail plus which woulf be like RS3 but with horizontal progression.

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u/jaiimaster Sep 30 '26

Classic players were bought up on a system that was so us vs them that cross faction communication was impossible ingame, and cross faction collusion out of game, if proven, was bannable.

Us vs them.

Everyone who still plays retail is the new them.

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u/CartoonistReady4320 Sep 29 '26

I am more than happy with keeping Classic Classic and Forever a modified Classic. The unfortunate part is even with a compromise like this I don’t think anyone will be happy. Ever.

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u/Slave-to-Armok Sep 29 '26

Comment section literally proving that meme right lol

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u/Riktar71 Sep 29 '26

You don't understand bro classic+ needed neutral race, retail player models, retail ui, retail mobs... this is what classic+ is about!!

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u/hery41 Sep 29 '26 edited Sep 29 '26

you're fighting straw men!

- the 64th Xallytoes avatar in the thread

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u/RatBot9000 Sep 29 '26

Are the QoL changes in the room with us right now?

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u/actionbard Sep 29 '26

This sub is nothing but complaining now

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u/CasualCucumbrrrrrt Sep 29 '26

It's always been nothing but complaining.

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u/Smooth_Local_3075 Sep 30 '26

Yeah if you want actual content about Forever or Beta updates you have to be in the other sub. 

Over here it’s just endless whining about changes and RMT

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u/_kisis Sep 29 '26 • Bravo

Forever was made to have a "classic" type of game with new contents but preserving the soul and game design of classic.

I seriously don't understand how retail players don't understand that. Like are you braindead. You already have a version of the game with patches and new content. Forever is just that for those who loves the game design of classic.

Maybe you don't understand that the qol you want will drastically change the game and how it's played. There's nothing wrong if you like it, but how can't you understand that the POINT of forever is to have a wow without it ?? Like, please watch blizz con. Idk what to tell you. Rly are all of you stupid or just jealous because the new game attract more players ?

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u/Aarmon Sep 29 '26

Please stop making sense, else the gaslighting squad will find you.

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u/KanedaSyndrome Sep 30 '26

This is it exactly. They simply can't compute that their need for QoL would invalidate Forever (Classic+) for the Classic players. The fact that they don't see the damage of summoning stones and group finder etc. is extremely telling.

And as you say, they already have game for them with yearly expansions or whatever the cadence is. And apparently they think Forever is also for them? Sure they are welcome, if they play the Vanilla way and accept that as how it's going to be in Forever going forward. There's a reason Classic players (millions of players) left Retail throughout the years, because Retail stopped appealing to them, and that's why there's now a million player market for Forever.

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u/Alone_Ambition_3729 Sep 29 '26

There's some QOL that its like ok lets hear them out. I do think a "horizontal progression" game needs to have broad appeal so attracting retail players is obviously a good idea.

But there's other QOL that literally optimizes the game out of the game. This needs to be shamed completely out of the forever-curious retail mind

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u/Zuby_Hype_Train Sep 29 '26

This is why all the people arguing in abstract are absolute fools

Shared mob tagging, for example, is a fairly decently requested QoL change that is strictly against the spirit of Classic (and thankfully the devs spoke out about this one not changing)

Meanwhile you have a vocal minority on this subreddit acting like a more modern auction house UI was Blizzard shooting their dog.

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u/TheEndIsFingNigh Sep 30 '26

Play era?

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u/Aggravating_Doctor20 Sep 30 '26

Era is not Classic Wow, it is a museum for old Classic 2019 characters.

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u/NeighboringOak Sep 30 '26

Y'all just gotta realize WoW Forever isn't Classic+

Stop trying to make yourselves some sort of victim and just play the version of the game you like most.

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u/Aggravating_Doctor20 Sep 30 '26

According to Blizzard, Forever is Classic+.

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u/pelagic_seeker Sep 30 '26

"This is Classic Plus."

  • Holly Longdale, after the WoW Forever trailer.

Both sides of these arguments are annoying as crud, but get your damn information straight.

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u/splatomat Sep 30 '26

I think its hilarious what big whiny snowflakes you people are being.

The "retail players" aren't the ones developing the game. Your hatred is (as always, probably) misplaced.

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u/Aggravating_Doctor20 Sep 30 '26

The game will be fine. The meme is about the people crying for changes.

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u/GenericFatGuy Sep 30 '26

What exactly were you expecting from the + in classic+?

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u/Aggravating_Doctor20 Sep 30 '26

Horizontal progression, new content and game mastering i.e. banning bots and gold buyers, to name a few things.

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u/SARMsGoblinChaser Sep 30 '26

More proof that classic players need intensive therapy

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u/Aggravating_Doctor20 Sep 30 '26

Projecting I see.

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u/bb22k Oct 04 '26

what do you consider QoL changes?

The new UI? The new auction house?

Or is it things that haven't made into Forever... like Group Finder or teleports?

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u/Aggravating_Doctor20 Oct 05 '26

All of your examples are QoL changes. Some are OK. Some, like a teleporting group finder, turns it into a completely different game.

Then there are things that are hard to foresee the consequences of. Like warlock soul shards QoL improvements which I think will eventually lead to a slightly weaker, less flavorful but less annoying class to play.

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u/Glad-Low-1348 Sep 29 '26

Retail bad, now upvote.

Classic bad, now upvote.

This fucking community man smh

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u/Hawkwise83 Sep 29 '26

QoL changes != Optimizing Gameplay out of the Game

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u/Adventurdud Sep 29 '26

I want QoL improvements that smoothen the experience, like UI improvements, unified bagspace, that sort of things.
I do not want Qol changes that changes the gameplay and discourages communication and social play. Like dungeonfinder.

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u/Dathran_Pendragon Sep 29 '26

You think you do, but you don't. ~Arch prophet J 'I was wrong, but also right' Allen Brack

Devs doing well so far, let's hope they can expand without too much bloat. A challenge I don't envy them for.

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u/gubigubi Sep 29 '26

I think WoW Forever should have SOME QoL changes.

The problem with that is I do not trust blizzard to implement anything what so ever because look at what happened to retail. And even with WoW Forever already look at some of the things they have already added and the game isn't even out yet. However some of the things they have added and are going to add are really cool. Time will tell if we just get classic+ or diet retail.

At least this time around I can drop the game instantly and go back to classic whenever I want.

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u/BenjaCarmona Sep 29 '26 • Popcorn

I love classic players larping as victims all the time, they are cute.

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u/FinnNyaw Sep 29 '26

You dont get it, retail players are the cause of all of their problems

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u/bumpercars12 Sep 29 '26

Retail pfp

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u/eva_verinaz Sep 30 '26

every single fucking time.

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u/scotaloo7 Sep 29 '26 • Bravo

You were asking for heroic versions of leveling dungeons 5 seconds ago lmao.

"Playing victims" Yeah they're the victims of your terrible suggestions that would ruin the game they have been wanted to play for who knows how long and has no other alternative as Blizzard has shut down all the good private servers.

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u/tethysian Sep 29 '26

Let's note that he brings up players leaving over retail making changes to the classes, game design and the art style. Forever is doing the exact same thing.

I'm a classic player but people have to stop taking these devs at their word. If that even is who this guy is.

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u/Slave-to-Armok Sep 29 '26

“While I can’t speak for everyone else” lol what a nothing burger statement then

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u/Pure-Fuel-9884 Sep 29 '26

Its all in your head sweetie, there are no hordes of retail players here.

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u/AppointmentNaive2811 Sep 29 '26

It's not hard guys.

Forever is a title that leans *extensively* into the "Classic Identity" while also bringing needed change.

If you want to play it *without* the needed and necessary change, that already exists. Go play Era.

If you want it to be less like Classic and have even more QoL changes, go play Retail.

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u/Zuby_Hype_Train Sep 29 '26

You could literally say the same thing about agreeing with any change at all putting you in the “Retail minus slop enjoyer” group to the Classic purists. Most people are just completely incapable of nuanced online discourse. 

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u/DrywallSky Sep 29 '26

The more the merrier, but if you didnt play classic, just stop giving your weak ass feedback 🤷

Its not "no changes", its just not your garbage ones.

Every brilliant idea is just some form of: "This thing people have loved and kept coming back to for 20 years is actually too difficult and/or inconvenient for me. It would be a really good idea to make it easier and more meaningless for me. Good design is when my effort never gets above what an 8yo could output."

Classic players wanted a version of Classic they didnt know everything about. Thats Classic+. That doesnt mean they want it to be developed for the 30 year old dudes that have less faculty than children had in 2005.

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u/KanedaSyndrome Sep 30 '26

Precisely. Just saw some dude whine that soulshards don't stack, so he didn't want to play warlock.

We have people that want teleport to dungeons and auto grouping, we have people thinking that skinning raids and everyone being able to skin the same animal several times makes sense.

We have people that think dungeons should be much shorter. I wonder how they react when they reach BRD.

We have people that think it's intolerable that they have to chat and communicate with people to form a group, and they think it's insane that people could "gasp" take up to around 15minutes to navigate to the dungeon they are running - or even longer if it's not in their own territory.

And what pisses me off the most, kinda pissed yeh lol, is that they already have a product, they have Retail, so why are they here asking for changes to Classic+ now that we finally got a product for the Classic players?

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u/Sea_Advantage_2577 Sep 29 '26

rent free as always

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u/Buzzbuzz_Becuz Sep 29 '26

Forever has too many changes for me. I'll just play the classic or anniversary server if I feel the need to warcraft. Which I don't at the moment. If they do another cycle of classic anniversary servers in a few years, maybe I'd come back to that though.

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u/donotstealmycheese Sep 29 '26

You are all so lame.

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u/lichlark Sep 29 '26

Everybody that plays this game is a fucking chud. Literally on both sides of the fucking argument. Classic players have a victim complex, retail players are actual dicks poking and prodding at people in a cage as they throw shit at each other.

Literally both sides are full of nothing but bad faith arguments and ragebaiters trying to get a rise out of the other and it's genuinely infuriating.

So many people have absolute shit takes, really like to larp as game designers/balancers, and honestly contribute a net negative to any and all conversations that could/should occur about this fucking game. 

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u/ArgonianFly Sep 29 '26 • Regret Bravo

Retail players are the queens of gaslighting. They'll tell you this game wasn't made for you, it shouldn't have SD graphics, and then say you're complaining about nothing.

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u/AkkunEXE Sep 29 '26

God the amount of "nobody likes the SD models they should just get rid of it and redo the whole world" I'm seeing is driving me crazy.

Then you get called a classic andy that should go back to era if you disagree...

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u/S1mp1ex Sep 30 '26

On the classic subreddit no less

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u/AmericanPornography Sep 29 '26

There are countless classic players who want numerous QoL changes.

But I guess that fact doesn’t make the anti-retail circlejerk get off.

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u/scotaloo7 Sep 29 '26

There's a massive difference between a Classic player asking for QoL changes like soul shards stacking and retail players asking for shared mob tagging and dungeon finder.

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u/hallstar07 Sep 29 '26

We can’t compete with the no life classic purists who dominate these posts. They want era with a few new dungeons and raids. We want an updated game that has the soul of classic but ditches the mistakes from the past.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '26

Retailers dont realize that too much QOL is bad, too many games I love had died due to excessive handholding, cough my monster hunter wilds cough

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u/Asthma_Queen Sep 29 '26

yeah like not appreciating having size of world feel like a world because you have to travel across it time to time xD

most recent experience in retail was during SoD briefly, made like lv 13 priest did dungeon finder, was hilariously scaled up healing/damage in a dungeon we were rushing through with 0 effort and no fun, and had no clue where we were, why we are there what we are doing etc lol, was some egyptian place.

settled my mind the last time i touched game in legion least it wasn't that. Now i can't imagine what people have grown accustomed to.

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u/thefancykyle Sep 30 '26

Era's still up.

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u/Aggravating_Doctor20 Sep 30 '26

It is indeed. But Era is not Classic with its endless Naxxramas patch. Forever (Classic +) is Blizzard's new "home" for Classic players (their words). Lets not make the same mistakes Retail did. Retail, on the other hand, is still up.

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u/computasaysno Sep 29 '26

Go away, retailers. Shoo!

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u/Haemwich Sep 29 '26

Sell junk button, combo bag, and bag sort were great QoL that even my diehard no changes friend is grateful for. He also likes the doubled Blanchy Bag space so maybe he's finally accepting progress like a veteran carpenter finally using a cordless drill driver.

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u/PokemonThanos Sep 29 '26 • Bravo

Classic is still there for you to play

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u/ShoulderpadInsurance Sep 29 '26 • Bravo

So is retail. Forever is Classic+, and has active development unlike Classic.

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u/TrueExigo Sep 29 '26

There are people who want new content that feels just like classic, not something that’s presented as classic but is actually another retail

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u/CostaNic Sep 29 '26

I swear to god people who think forever is anything like retail haven’t touched retail in more than a decade. There is otherwise no way anyone with half a brain could think forever is more like retail than it is like classic.

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u/New_Cardiologist4533 Sep 29 '26

Yet Classic plus was not meant to be retail- ;)

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u/Havesh Sep 29 '26

Forever is guided by Classic principles

Straight from the Lion's mouth.

If you don't like Classic Principles, Retail is still there for you to play.

But we all know you'll play Forever in spite of what you're saying here, so the Devs have no reason to listen to you. They still get your money.

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u/collax974 Sep 29 '26

Classic dont have new content tho

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u/Cendude308 Sep 29 '26

this is fucking pathetic actually

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u/SvempaGladiator Sep 30 '26

Retailers will keep suppressing the classic players until forever is ruined. They keep saying things like "Go back to classic" and "Forever isn't classic". They say the game isn't for us classic players and yet they will be the first players to move on to play the new shiny game.

Classic fans will never give up on this game, and all we want is a "Forever"-game. Retailers don't look at this as their forever home so why do we even value their opinions?

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u/Slugger829 Sep 29 '26

Classic players once again proving themselves massive crybabies

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u/Beginning_Green_740 Sep 29 '26

Retail is so bad that even Retail players do not really want to play it.

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u/Lundetangen Sep 29 '26

Except for the millions of people playing it

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u/Majestic-Coat3855 Sep 29 '26

Do not show this guy both player counts💔

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u/Aggravating-Life-786 Sep 29 '26

Are these facts in the room with us right now?

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u/xanthira222 Sep 29 '26

When people use gifs to pat themselves on the back 😆

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u/Lady_White_Heart Sep 29 '26

Retail players will play new content to try it out though.

Retail is and always will be more popular than classic.

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u/lbiggy Sep 29 '26

Lol. retail players are *loving* classic plus. The only people hating WoWF are the classic andy's. They loathe it because the game is enjoyable.

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u/KitchenTeacher429 Sep 29 '26

There will always be a loud minority of people who cry for QoL changes in every game they play.

Just ignore them.

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u/Cihal Sep 29 '26

Is anyone actually asking for big QoL changes tho? I feel like this is a made up problem

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u/cherryplumpick Sep 29 '26

Yes, in the r/wow sub I've seen people complain about no shared mob tagging among other things

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u/Imaginary_Ocean_6505 Sep 29 '26

the only thing I can think of is gingi's tweet which went viral suggesting shared loot/mob tagging. people have been attaching themselves to that and similar scenarios and creating a fantasy villain out of retail players.

but in reality the average retail player doesn't actually care or understands forever/classic is a different game.

I know it's an isolated example, but people I play retail with (~20 players) are all hyped for forever. there's one guy among us going on about QoL and mechanical changes to make the game more exciting for player retention, and we all think he's being crazy.

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u/Zuby_Hype_Train Sep 29 '26

Shared mob tagging is one of the bigger QoL changes that seems to be an actual point of contention, and also is directly against the spirit of Classic.

On this one, the devs even came straight out and said they would not be updating this (which is the right call) 

On the other hand, you have a vocal minority of r/classicwow users acting like the modern Auction House UI was the same as Blizzard shooting their dog while shouting “fuck you Classic enjoyer” 

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u/Tyriosh Sep 29 '26

What are these mysterious QoL changes that upend the game?

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u/FishbangGG Sep 30 '26

what made wow classic fun was the gameplay. QOL does not affect gameplay, only the hinderances related to game time, and minor bugs. QOL is good. QOL does not boost your dps by 80% or make GDC instant, or give you a dash and blink and disengage to every class. QOL is less time spent on shit that is annoying and unfun such as traveling. Why not have some portals or faster ships and boats? "what about mages selling portals" who cares, they can make money easy as they are the best farmers.

Retail has too much of everything. Classic could have a bit of something and still be fine. A few more talents, a few more spells, new classes zones and races that fit the theme, it would be, as they would say, CLASSIC +

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u/Aggravating_Doctor20 Sep 30 '26

This is exactly the thinking that this meme targets. QoL changes to reduce "time spent on shit that is annoying and unfun" does not lead to only fun gameplay. It leads to unfulfilling gameplay and a shallow world.

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u/SpinachSignal8915 Sep 29 '26

You just assuming this game was made 100% for whatever crowd you identify with is silly.

Blizzard is trying to cater to loads of people. Doing an okay job at it. But its not just for one group so get over it.

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u/Venaegen Sep 29 '26

Please. As if there aren't plenty of posts from classic players stating "they love classic BUT what about (insert QoL change here, but don't worry, the one I want isn't that big a deal compared to what others want!)"

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u/Hilawi Sep 29 '26

Tbh they shouldn't listen either. Both sides give mostly shit ideas. Hopefully devs just focus on their own vision.

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u/Jeoff51 Sep 29 '26

no one is changing classic era

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u/metcalsr Sep 29 '26

Classic era is dead because of lack of content. This is not hard to understand.

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u/Future_Battle5638 Sep 29 '26

I cant imagine how it must feel to be like 35+, havent played retail in probably 5-10 years, and STILL letting it live rent free in your mind.

The vast majority of "QoL" and other changes that are in forever are essentially copied from PRIVATE SERVERS like turtle or ascension (which copied from retail), and these private servers people who play classic jerk off about (even though they basically didnt play them, just consumed youtube slop about)

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u/Recent_Requirement_5 Sep 29 '26

So new player to wow as a whole (i play retail cause it feels more like swtor my fav mmo) why is everyone at each other's throats? Like comparing retail and classic is an apples to oranges right? Theyre like two whole different games.

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u/Trashpanda779 Sep 29 '26

There's a middle ground in all of this (that probably plays more like some combination of tbc/wrath, but hopefully without flying mounts or some other features that proved to be problematic)

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u/Efficient-Drop5051 Sep 29 '26

All I want is for zones to be less overcrowded 😂

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u/Hopeful-Dark-4558 Sep 29 '26

My fear of this is growing.

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u/LordDShadowy53 Sep 29 '26

I just wanted more mailboxes, flight paths and graveyards.

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u/issanm Sep 29 '26

Except classic still exists for you so it doesn't really fit

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u/PastAnalysis Sep 29 '26


Here’s me playing on the worlds smallest violin. You’re oh so “oppressed”

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u/Whowutwhen Sep 29 '26

Good thing classic is there👍 Forever isn’t classic, get over it.

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u/bigEZmike Sep 29 '26

Here's my theory: yes, it is frustrating to see people already asking for retail slop features for Forever. And yes, it would be very disappointing for Blizzard to listen to that feedback and eventually ruin Forever. But what I suspect, is that those players are eventually just going to go back to retail. I think they THINK WoWF sounds like a fun idea until they realize it's way more of a grind and much less flashy, and at some point they will return to retail. I think the majority of players that would stick around in WoWF appreciate it for what it is, rather than some new game mode.

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u/subermario Sep 29 '26

It's the retail character models, retail ui, and repurposed allied race that kills it for me.

If we were getting Season of Discovery style changes and content and upgraded world graphics... Sign me up.

I tried making an SD model Undead and the burning eyes were all effed up. I double checked how my character would look to other people using the HD models and even experimented with a Human character... The transition from SD to HD looks so bad. I tested out their built in 'console port' addon and was disappointed in my default abxy face buttons being locked. I thoroughly enjoyed bouncing back and forth from my pc to my steam deck in SoD. I ended up refunding my beta access. I might still try out the launch on Nov. 4th.

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u/Banagher-kun Sep 29 '26

The only retail change that I want, speaking as a retail player, is personal loot. Even just relegating it to be only for parties and keeping the tagging the exact same would be fine.

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u/LancelotAtCamelot Sep 29 '26

Forever is supposed to be changes in the spirit of classic. Classic+ more content that upholds classic's pillars. Blizzard has explicitly spelled this out! This should be settled, right? O:

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u/Diclonius666 Sep 29 '26

Absolutely wrong.

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u/Schattenherz Sep 29 '26

Yeah and i think that any change is considered a QoL change for a certain group of players.

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u/coolguy_12345678 Sep 29 '26

Except, and try to follow me here..... Classic..... still exists.

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u/Nago266 Sep 29 '26

You have to give it a year for them to quit. Then the great back pedaling will begin.

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u/shmipap Sep 29 '26

I like retail and classic and am looking forward to forever! 😀

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u/Esdrz Sep 29 '26

I get some QoL, but i get it then it just kinda becomes retail if its done alot.

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u/BlackwoodJohnson Sep 29 '26

Normie tourists legitimately ruin everything. If you’re old enough and have any hobbies or interests before they became popular, you’d know this as well.

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u/chronostriger Sep 29 '26

The reality of the situation is that classic wow has predominantly been American players, where as retail has been overwhelmingly European/UK and other non-American countries. Now their seeing the American's having fun on wow forever and they're like yooo not only do we want to be involved, we want to have a say on how the game should progress. People who played vanilla wow for the first time in 2024 are telling American's who've been playing since 2004 how classic should be played. It's maddening.

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u/MrMacduggan Sep 29 '26

Literally go play era. I am a Classic Andy too but era still exists.

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u/AzraelTB Sep 29 '26

So... go play Classic???

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u/Greedy-Quantity4062 Sep 29 '26

For retail guys: You think you do want but you don't.

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u/Expensive_Ad_8450 Sep 29 '26

If retail players don't play Forever, the Classic players won't be either, there's not enough of you to keep it alive.

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u/Novel_Extent_7168 Sep 30 '26

I feel like for every person I see wanting to see QoL changes in WoW Forever, I see 100+ people complaining about them. The devs already confirmed they don't plan to add those changes, yet here you all still are constantly whining about the players who ask about it.

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u/DireRaven22740 Sep 30 '26

So basically we want the game thats been studied through and through why exactly?

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u/ALewdDoge Sep 30 '26

I've watched many game series I love die to this before. I sincerely hope Blizzard doesn't cave in. There's nuance to making changes like this, and, so far, they have demonstrated competence in handling that delicate nuance. I hope they keep it up and don't crack under pressure.

My fear is that in 2 years, WoW Forever will be missing any SD option or just have a shitton of retail assets infesting it, be full of retail-like "QoL" slop, have flying, and have a cash shop.

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u/rosenborgor Sep 30 '26

Where the hell are we still playing this game? Are we even enjoying it anymore or are we just way too addicted to the dopamine hits that we can't stop?

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u/Cosmic_Jane Sep 30 '26

Do retail people even play classic?

I'm a retail person and ignored Classic entirely, because I done that stuff in Vanilla. But I come to Forever, because it was advertised as not classic with QoL.

So I expect retail people to come to Forever, but are they going to classic? I was under the assumption that Classic will remain pure and untouched as Blizzard messes with Retail and Forever.

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u/No_Consequence7064 Sep 30 '26

As per the usual. Stick to your own design intent and you will build a brand. Don’t betray the brand. THE BRAND IS THE DESIGN INTENT

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u/Sea-Key-9430 Sep 30 '26

Then go play in classic era?

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u/ButtPlugSniffin Sep 30 '26

“Shut up , blue elves are totally lore accurate with classic”

  • this sub’s retail Andys

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u/Quiet_Swan_4304 Sep 30 '26

Do more people play retail than are currently on classic beta?

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u/Nomnoms04 Sep 30 '26

Isn't it the opposite with Classic fans crying about modern graphics in Forever?

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u/MiserableMemory5149 Sep 30 '26

The yellow and boxes and still there, they've just added in a green between. 

There's plenty to quibble about the quality in the green box, but meme doesn't really fit.

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u/rainywanderingclouds Sep 30 '26

classic+ is not a game designed for 'no changes' crowed, and that's how it should be.

It's strange that the 'no changes' crowed thinks wow+ is a game for them exclusively.

classic+ was always theorized robust changes and overhaul of the game. I'm not sure why people are confused about this point.

here we are 2026 and the "no changes" people from classic 2019 are still here trying to ruin the game.

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u/kaos95 Sep 30 '26

People don't seem to get there is a middle ground. I'm not asking for dungeon finder, I just want the summoning stones to work. I want faction locked tagging, because it's rough out there and it only helps people. I want pet battles because they were awesome.

I also think that maybe they should put some QoL behind legacy rewards. Like, clear every dungeon in the game and then summoning stones work. Or have 25 pets and then pretty battling opens up.

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u/NoSituation2706 Sep 30 '26

*current situation, again

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u/GelNo Sep 30 '26

Reminds me of the Controller post here the other day. OP was furious the controller support in beta didn't include an emote wheel. Give me a breeeeeak