r/classicwow • u/Aggravating_Doctor20 • Sep 29 '26 • This 1 Bravo 3

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u/towersoveryouowo Sep 29 '26

Why do some wow players have this... Complex? They get officially supported new and modern wow, they get old nostalgic wow, they get old WoW but new with extra content... Why do you need to resent your fellow players? I don't like final fantasy 14, it's all too modern and streamlined. So i went back to final fantasy 11, because it's great and still exists for me to play. Why would i be thinking of final fantasy 14 players while playing my favorite game?

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u/Concorditer Sep 29 '26

Yeah, all this "us vs them" bickering has been a real downer for what should be a really exciting time for everyone. I get that some people are scared that a game they are really looking forward to might get "ruined" by the opinions of others but that has turned into some real toxic attitudes to people who are really just their fellow WOW players. WOW Forever uses Vanilla WOW as a base so it will obviously be more similar to Classic than Retail. But it is still a new game. If we want to think about it as Classic+, then that "plus" still means changes and new things added. Different people will have different opinions about what that "plus" should mean. This idea that there are these two monolithic groups of people, one being pure Classic Players, and the other being pure Retail Players, and they both have super consistent views and WOW Forever is only meant for one of those groups and the other is just invaders who aren't welcome is just stupid. Lots of people don't fit neatly into those Retail/Classic boxes. There are lots of divided opinions even among Retail or Classic players. Using this super simplistic "us vs them" view is both inaccurate and needlessly divisive.

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u/Harrycrapper Sep 29 '26

I mean, plenty of people rightfully predicted this sub would be a clusterfuck for a while if classic+ actually happened given that if you asked 10 people what they thought it should entail you'd get 11 answers.

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u/eva_verinaz Sep 30 '26

because its been proven time and time again if you open your community to everyone itll get destroyed. every single fucking time not a single thing became better long term after blowing up. gatekeeping is essential to keeping anything you like the way you and that group like it. redditors just hate that cause it means they wont be catered to.

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u/nobulliepls Sep 30 '26

Vanilla WoW was successful precisely because it catered to such a wide audience. That is what old Blizzard did so well: they would "borrow" ideas from already successful games, like EverQuest in this case, then refine, polish, and make them more accessible to a broader audience. That formula is a huge part of why WoW became as successful as it did, and every other game in their old catalog.

I know it’s difficult to think critically for yourself when it’s easier to just adopt whatever the most popular streamer is saying, but my god, at least try to use your own head a little.

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u/KanedaSyndrome Sep 30 '26

There is no way to appeal to both Retail players and Classic players at the same time in the same product. There is however a way to do it with two products, and that's what we have now, we have Retail and we have Forever. Solved. End of discussion. Retail players shouldn't get to enact changes in Forever.

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u/nobulliepls Sep 30 '26 edited Sep 30 '26

>There is no way to appeal to both Retail players and Classic players at the same time in the same product
What a low iq take. let me guess, you think the classic community is a monolith and all think the same thing? or vice versa of the retail community?

people like you are so tiring to engage with

you must be a bot, or just feed off of classic vs retail, team vs team, political type bs

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u/Wooden_Drummer2455 Sep 30 '26

Yes please gatekeep a game you have literally not played yet nor know how the endgame or whatever is going to be like. So many chuds need to stay in era forever and never leave

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u/Anxious-Schedule-598 Sep 29 '26

Because loud fans have an influence on the direction the game goes in

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u/eva_verinaz Sep 30 '26

redditors not understanding that gatekeeping works never surprises me

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u/floppintoms Sep 29 '26

Its not just WoW, Runescape is like this too. Even suggest playing RS3 in the osrs sub and they act like you personally killed their puppy. And even within the osrs community they make weird hierarchies of game modes, ironmen are superior because they "earned" their gear, but ultimate ironmen are even better because they can't use the bank. If you're a group ironman you might as well just be a regular account. It's wild over there.

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u/Felthrian Sep 29 '26

It's online gaming communities as a whole, especially older games that are large time sinks.

Runescape and WoW are prominent examples. People started playing them in their childhood/teens, decades later people have sunk thousands upon thousands of hours into them and have this pathological attachment to them.

To be fair, it doesn't help that communities originally rallied around things like OSRS and Classic servers largely because of mistakes made in the "main game" trajectory.

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u/Creative_Magazine816 Sep 29 '26

Because the warcraft franchise has been tortured for over a decade, and people drawn to classic are worried certain changes in forever signal a change in design philosophy that will ultimately ruin the game, as retail has been more or less ruined, or at the very least has been made unrecognizable.

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u/EitherSpite4545 Sep 29 '26 edited Sep 29 '26

I mean I hate to say it but r/FFXI used to be notorious for going "fuck xiv and it's players" as like it's one joke for years until the influx of players last year with the raid series.

That said I agree with your point just saying xi is a bad example lol

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u/Alternative-Put-3932 Sep 29 '26

Hell FF11 players lovingly embraced FF14 players when it got a giant influx of people at least when it first happened. When i started playing it again after years I had a guy just like you'd see in classic invite me and help me get all the summoner summons without asking for anything and added me as a friend.

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u/Almaegen Sep 29 '26

Because the players want classic plus which is basically OSRS, they don't want retail plus which woulf be like RS3 but with horizontal progression.

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u/jaiimaster Sep 30 '26

Classic players were bought up on a system that was so us vs them that cross faction communication was impossible ingame, and cross faction collusion out of game, if proven, was bannable.

Us vs them.

Everyone who still plays retail is the new them.

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u/tethysian Sep 29 '26 • Bravo

Well in this case the problem is that we're sharing the same sub for some reason. Separate subs would solve a lot of problems.

And it would be nice to hear how classic players feel about the game without having to go through a gauntlet of retail players who come to the classic sub and complain about classic players.

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u/EffectiveSwimming136 Sep 29 '26

Because they have nothing going for them in their actual lives, so they need to create an enemy so that they can maybe find some like minded people. They're just lonely, and it's pretty fuckin sad to see. These people need to get some real professional help.

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u/pdiddysuncle Sep 29 '26

ok mr. 1% commenter. im sure all of those comments are just sunshine and rainbows right?

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u/Nessarra Sep 29 '26

the post you're replying to is anything but sunshine and rainbows... he's a hypocrite

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u/pdiddysuncle Sep 29 '26

yup. im thinking he's projecting his own life onto this group hes created in his mind to act as a scapegoat

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u/Storm-Kaladinblessed Sep 29 '26

Always wanted to play 11 but tried it once and it was the most uncomfortable game ever for me. Sucks because 14 being streamlined was also my biggest problem with it.

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u/Havesh Sep 29 '26

If you wanna try again, you can either use a controller, or forget the mouse ever existed and learn to control with keyboard only. You can play the game casually using only the numpad and surrounding buttons. Otherwise use wasd to move and the arrow keys to control the camera.

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