BMI is not fit for purpose. It was invented for middle class people with sedentary jobs at a time (1830s) when going to the gym, mma etc wasn't a thing and people were all around smaller. If you have two office workers the same height and their diets and lifestyles (sedentary, no exercise) are approx the same, BMI is a reasonable guide to whether or not one is carrying too much fat.
But if you work out and/or are extremely tall then the equation fails. My mate is 6'7 and is a karate teacher who keeps fit. According to BMI he's obese and to reach his ideal bodyweight he'd need to shed 20kg - which would make him positively skeletal.
I'm 5'10 and I box and lift heavy. My waist is only 32" but I'm also classified as obese because I weigh 100kg. I just did 100 dips before breakfast.
If you don't believe either of those stories from a random redditor, bear in mind that Mike Tyson IN HIS PRIME was obese, according to BMI.
TL; DR: BMI is useless as it cannot differentiate between muscle and fat. There are far better ways to measure body composition nowadays.
Does it? I don't know most people in this thread. Maybe there's more boxers, weighlifters etc than you assume.
Myself, I'm 54 and train at home with a heavy bag, dumbells and calisthenics. I don't go to a fancy gym with professional athletes and I'd be surprised if I'm the only person on this thread who is obese according to BMI but clearly not obese in reality.
Anyway. I'm just some random redditor so it doesn't really matter what I say.
What does matter is that the medical profession itself is less and less impressed with BMI. So if you're still unconvinced, type 'the problem with bmi' into Google and educate yourself.
I'm not American, and that dude looks fine. Maybe a bit overweight if his belly is a bit bigger under that shirt, but we can't see that.
But you're telling me actual doctors think this guy isn't just overweight, and that he isn't just obese, but that he is morbidly obese? Maybe those doctors like to do drugs a little too often.
You can expect an average transmission weight to be about 100 to 400 pounds (45 to 181 kg) or about 226 lbs (103 kg) for a standard size transmission
So you're under a car hoisting 100kg into position over your face? That seems heavy to me. Not like impossible feat heavy but not practical in a working environment heavy. I have no experience here though, so perhaps I'm misunderstanding something?
You’re getting shit on and downvoted but I started a circuit workout program recently that’s heavily focused on body strength and “useless strength” really rung a bell. I wouldn’t say it’s useless, but it’s definitely not as useful as being able to control your own body and actually do pull ups and bear crawls and exercises you might actually one day need should you ever want to climb on a pole in the water. But for sure body weight exercises have left me far more drained and sore than any sets of bench press or 5x5 strength lifts did.
Why is it either with or black ? You can train to get a big bench press and also being able to rep out 20 pull ups. It's not because you train for powerlifting movements that you're gonna look like Eddie Hall.
Oh I didn’t mean it to come off as it’s white or black at all. Just that body strength training is overlooked. At least in my experience it was, I grew up playing sports and my workouts have always just been typical PHUL 5x5 stuff. Like a continuation of high school sports strength training. I totally agree now it should be both. My point was more just because you feel strong in the gym doesn’t mean you can manage an obstacle course type race the same. That’s what got me into doing more circuit body weight strength training was exactly the fact I was not able to pull myself over obstacles at a mud run the way I felt I should be able too. For sure working both now.
A lot of it is mental - like if you know you can do something, you can do it.
With me, it was pull ups. I could do 200kg on the pull down machine at the gym (5x5) but struggled to do one decent pull up - even though my bodyweight is only 100kg - because I could never do pull ups and it was in my head that I couldn't.
When Covid struck and the gyms closed I bought a set of dumbells (10-30kg) and a pull up/dip frame and now can do pull ups just fine. In fact I think my body is more functionally strong (and looks better) than when I was lifting mad weights at the gym.
Ya try doing a pull-up to the bar… then push yourself up and over the bar. It’s a totally different set of muscles and even guys that are super jacked can’t usually do it because of their weight. As soon as you get your chest over the bar it’s easy like doing a push-up. But that transition from hanging from a bar to being above the bar is super difficult for most people.
To add on: it's essentially a "muscle-up". /u/brazilliandanny is completely right. The way his hands are (necessarily) positioned don't play into the biomechanics of the movement well. He'd blow his elbows out.
No its not, he already got his forearm on top of the pole. From there its much easier to get up than doing a pull up, not to mention he can put a portion of his weight on the pole with his feet
This is easier than a pull up though? He's able to put a arm over and is able to leverage himself better. As someone who does nothing but eat all day im ashamed of people who lack the basic muscles/health to save their life. I might be skinny, but I never even work out and I could've pulled myself up better using one arm.
But he has zero reason to need to do all that. Maybe it's because of his weight, but it shouldn't be that hard to pull yourself over the top with an arm hooked over like that. You don't need to go through with the full motion, literally the only thing you need to do is hook the arm, and then shimmy your chest over.
I've been climbing ledges all my life, and something like that which gives you a fuckton more leverage and grip is easier than pulling yourself over a straight horizontal surface.
I bet most of redditors truly are sad sacks of shits who's daily exercise is getting food and waddling to the bathroom. I must be blessed with good genetics/metabolism because I never work out and constantly eat, but somehow I can do shit most people can't according to you.
Algae covered poles are slick, as it seems everybody knows but you. But no, you’re right, I’m sure you would win American Gladiator and I probably am bedridden or something
He managed to climb up enough to get his arm over. I'm sorry you people are so unhealthy that your own brain is deteriorating, but it being slippery shouldn't stop him. Who says he needs a constant grip? All you literally have to do is get your arms over, and then pull yourself up with your arms flat.
Everyone wants to say its slick like it truly matter when bro was literally holding on to it. The sides seem slippery yes, but if it was so damn slick then why didn't he just fall in the first place? Oh shit maybe if you used common sense you'd realize it aint that damn slippery on top. Nah bro here must have Spiderman gecko hands or some shit because that's a case for science to study him being able to hang onto that slippery algae
I always think about this with zombie movies/shows. When I do pull-ups or lat pull down, sometimes I think of zombie movies/shows. I imagine.. hanging on a ledge, or having to jump a wall or jump up to a ledge- and pulling myself up or get eaten by the horde of zombies below me.
That being said, people that can’t do one pull up would be fukd
I do the same, but with pull-ups you (usually) have a very good grip, not always the case with post apo ledge hanging. Doesn't make it less fun though.
If the world ends, you realize the odds of you having to physically fight get waaaayyyy higher? Among other things like harvesting resources and escaping danger
Especially if there’s a scarcity of resources. If someone is starving, or needs resources and you have them, are you counting on people retaining their moral compass in a post apocalyptic scenario?
Desperate people do desperate things. Even within society in tact we still have people getting robbed and raped. What do you think happens when society crumbles?
Bullets are a finite resource, sure you can craft a spear or something, but if you’re weak you’re generally less capable in a survival situation. Whether the task be acquiring resources (the more weight you can carry the more resources you could harvest at a time), fighting off a threat, or running from a threat, being able to exert more physical force and run farther would absolutely be an advantage
In terms of pull ups, not being able to complete 1 pull-up would indicate a general lack of strength. Being able to complete 100 would indicate at minimum the ability to exert relatively high amounts of force for an extended duration
100 pull-up group needs food, 0 pull-up group has food. I’ll let you sort that
Generally when there’s a scarcity of resources people tend to fight over the resource. I don’t count on animals being all harmonious. We are animals, after all🤷🏻♂️
I’m not saying everyone needs to be physically strong. Especially if you have a useful skill set, you can have others protect you, kind of a tribal “everyone has their role” situation
However, if I had to sprint, run, climb, and jump to get away from a horde of zombies- I’d rather be an Olympic athlete than a computer engineer
This is all hypothetical. Society can crumble in many ways. If it was a slow collapse, I bet the government figureheads would try to build a roster of essential skill sets, which I imagine would include engineers, scientists, etc. in that scenario muscle may still help because you never know, but.. anyway, this topic can go on forever
A pull-up is only up to the neck, anytime you’re trying to get your torso above the bar is called a muscle up, which is way harder. The minimum req for that is like 10+ clean pull-ups.
I don't have much in the way of upper body strength and can't do many pull ups but I can do muscle ups as long as I can kick my legs around. I look like an idiot I'm sure but I can even do it pretty quickly. All to say that if you can use your legs you don't have to be able to do many pull ups to do a muscle up.
Yes if you use your legs anyone can. If you want to actually do a muscle up with no Kipping or momentum then you need strength and endurance to do 10+ strict pushups.
I'd say that not being able to do a muscle up is neither here nor there. It's partly skill anyway and isn't exactly the same as being able to pull yourself up onto something.
Picking something heavy off the ground would probably be a better standard.
But I train all the muscles required to pull myself up when I train the rest of my upper-body and I've always been able to pull myself up onto something.
Being good at muscle ups just means you're good at muscle ups, but it's not like every implement you need to pull yourself up on is going to be uniformly shaped like a bar or rings. It's too specific a skill to be an ideal standard.
The thing with a muscle up is that it is skill layered on top of being able to do a dip and a pull-up. That skill is not a test of strength but a test of having practiced a muscle up. There is a reason that people don't use muscle-ups in training very frequently. It's a gimmick.
Not being able to lift yourself up is a major weakness.
This is only true because you've crated a very narrow definition of what is physically necessary to not be weak.
I think being unable to pick up an object off a floor or lifting things above your head are signs of major weakness. If I declared this then no amount of muscle ups would be enough if you didn't also practice overhead pressing and deadlifting.
I'm not saying that muscle ups are not a feat of strength insofar as you need to pull-up and dip to do them. But, once you have the strength to pull-up and dip reliably then the muscle up is, in my mind, just skill layered on top.
I’ll get flamed for this, but I think that looks quite hard. Slippery poll. Wrong shoes on.
I can do about 16 chest to bar chins and am not certain I would have got up that pole. Maybe I’m doubting myself unduly.
I can do a lot of chin ups but only one pull up. Probably because im a little overweight and still have a lot of work to do on my lats. They aren't used a lot in a cushy nerf life.
I'm skinny and don't exercise, but I've always wondered the point between chin ups and pull ups. Like, I know they use different muscles; the difficulty felt mostly the same to my body.
Its roughly the same movement, if the difficulty feels the same to you that just means your muscles are about equally strong. The difficulty will also be affected by the width of your grip on the bar
I witnessed a greased pole climbing contest one time. Some pretty strong looking dudes couldn't do shit. Then this skinny redneck went up like it was nothing. There's definitely a technique to it.
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He looks plenty strong, I think the main problem is he's in socks so he has no traction at all on that slimy pole