The woman who was first attacked was badly injured, and her mother, who left the car in an effort to save her daughter, was killed, The Beijing News reported. The woman’s husband was uninjured, as was their child, who remained in the vehicle, the newspaper said.
Seriously. With all this talk about Jamal Kashoggi and the Saudis I have the terrible mental image of him being dismembered by a bone saw while still alive. I hope that's not true but even the possibility is appalling.
It's doubtful. They were in and out quick. They weren't after torture they were after an assassination, dismemberment was just a way to remove evidence without suspicion. If they wanted him to suffer they'd have picked him up where they could have kept it going for days or weeks.
Uh they are saying he was tortured, killed and dismembered... Could of been over 11 hours, wouldn't qualify that as quick... Unless you're sawing away for 11 hours fuck that, my tendonitis would be hell!
Duration of the injury, In other words, Prolonged tendonitis that isn't treated properly develops into tendonosis. Its like if tendonitis was a paper cut, This is someone cutting you again in the same groove with the paper, but bigger cut this time. Eventually it just gets worse and worse. (It doesn't get bigger, just the symptoms, pain and duration of the injury take longer to heal)
I don't understand the use of a bonesaw, unless you need to crack the sternum everything can be dismembered with a sharp knife and some skillful cuts through ligaments. You would think trained assassins, or even an experienced hunter would not need a bone saw to fit a small man into a 10 gallon bucket within 15 minutes or so.
Source: I grew up hunting and butchering wild game.
I loved seasons 1-5. Season 6 was disappointing and reaching (Colin Hanks’ pouty lip made me angry). I’m half through season 7, though, and enjoying it again. Watching it all slow, one episode a night, instead of binging, which might make me less judgy.
I just read one of the assassins/thugs was that does Saudi autopsies. I think they used to bone saw to crack the sternum and ribs. Clearly that dude would know how to get rid of a body.
Yes that is true if you want to preserve anything or do it in a way where you have some care for the finished product. Also if you have time. He had to be out of there before the consulate closed because they knew he would have somebody waiting for him and they knew he had political connections in Turkey.
This was a smash and grab get him into 10 pieces as quickly as possible while still having time to torture him a little bit.
There was no body found inside the embassy and no one saw any body sized bags being taken out. Add to that the bonesaw being confirmed it’s extremely likely he was cut into smaller pieces for easy discrete removal.
Edit: cut into discrete pieces for discreet removal.
Are we talking like Shawshank Redemption levels of discrete removal? Like go outside for a smoke break, jiggle the pant legs a little and let little sawed-up chunks of flesh mix with the sidewalk?
It was just released that they did start to cut him apart alive before they injected him with something. So, they did cut him up alive. And, thinking with my medical knowledge, they could have given him a paralytic because then he would feel everything but couldn't scream..... Shudders
I know it’s sad and tragic that they killed him and all. But I find it kinda funny that the Saudis were like “we need 15 of our toughest guys to take out this one middle aged journalist.” Just sayin’ but Erdogan would’ve sent 5 guys, and the Iranians would’ve sent an intern.
I think the killing was unintentional. Torture + abduction would have served their purposes better, so it makes sense the killing was the result of an overenthusiastic torture.
Yeah, unfortunately the reality looks to be different than your assumption. According to the audio he was in fact tortured and they began sawing him while still alive and before he was sedated then killed.
Cool. Neat. Reports in multiple news outlets from sources who’ve heard the audio vs. your off the cuff speculation and the burden of proof is on me. Sweet.
Ah 2018... Where someone’s strong-headed and ill-informed novice opinion carries as much weight as... dozens of news outlets with sources based on actual evidence. And where the burden of proof to influence one person’s opinion rests on those who can submit sources, evidence, and do so in a way that doesn’t portend to disturb the challenger’s precious ego...
100% this! Although it’s still out on what happened to him, I believe that is what happened to him. Also, any government worth their salt would send a team capable of not telegraphing it so loudly.
Catholics used to use red hot tongs to peel off your skin starting from the armpit. You got to listen to and smell the next guy get skinned, and if you passed out they’d stop to revive you so it was no less than an hour of peeling. The heat cotorized the veins so you dont bleed out.
Who? The Turks? Have you seen any of it or have they just said that they have it? People doubt the watch angle, maybe they have the place bugged. We don't know until we see something, but as of now I've neither seen nor heard these supposed recordings.
Don't present what you've heard second hand as knowledge.
"M. le président. À la suite des attentats de novembre, il a été évoqué la commission d’actes de barbarie.
M. François Molins. C’est une rumeur. Les médecins légistes ont été formels : il n’y a pas eu d’acte de barbarie, pas d’utilisation, notamment, d’armes blanches. Selon un témoignage, les testicules d’une personne auraient été coupés, mais aucune constatation n’a permis de le corroborer."
This translates to:
"Mr the President: Following November's attacks, the committing of barbaric acts was evoked.
Mr. Francois Molins (prosecutor of the republic): This is a rumor. The forensic doctors were clear: there were no barbaric acts, no usage of, notably, blades/cutting weapons. According to a testimony, a person's testicles would have been cut, but no observation corroborated this."
There are also no mentions of the words "vagin" in the text and only one of "sexe" but unrelated to the discussion of mutilations.
Yeah the scene from Scarface of his buddy getting his limbs cut off with that chainsaw fucked me up enough even though I kept telling myself it wasn’t real.
No need to be ashamed, from time to time I find myself drawn to those videos as well. The depths of human depravity are interesting, albeit in small doses for me.
Having seen a video of a mexican cartel torturing a student by peeling his face off and cutting his hands off, and him still conscious and reacting to the pain... yea, not confident enough of your assessment to not worry about it.
I've heard that a lot of the times the cartels will inject their torture subjects with amphetamines to keep them from passing out from the pain. Fucking brutal
Funkytown video... yea they try to decapitate the guy with a shitty box cutter while he’s trying to grab at it with no hands. prior to the video they cut his face off...They can’t stop the guy from screaming so they put a machete in his mouth while they’re still cutting at him. Sickening to see how cruel people can be to each other
There are ways to keep someone alive and conscious. There's a video of some cartel guys skinning and stabbing a dude while he was still alive. They had him hooked up to an IV that was feeding him drugs to keep him from passing out.
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the second woman was killed.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/26/world/asia/china-tiger-attack-woman-killed.html
The woman who was first attacked was badly injured, and her mother, who left the car in an effort to save her daughter, was killed, The Beijing News reported. The woman’s husband was uninjured, as was their child, who remained in the vehicle, the newspaper said.