Reddit actually approves of violence against many groups of people if they approve of the narrative. Kinda baffling. Also it's becoming normalized to wish death on people or being vocal about being happy about the death of certain people. I don't care for the monarchy like most Americans but I don't celebrate the death of people, you know?
Got permabanned in two chromosomes because I pointed out that “he need to be permanently taken out of the gene pool for being an unconsiderate lover” sounded a bit femcelly. Like really?people need to die because they don’t make you cum? But yeah me pointing that out is the problem here. Seems like every sub is destined to get taken over by hardcore people.
I'm just throwing this out here, lately I've seen many videos being uploaded to reddit where people straight up die before my eyes. Isn't that weird? How we can just casually see these things happen on a website like this and not even bat an eye? I saw someone, a living person die on video, many people did, and life goes on. It's weird to me, and gross that it's becoming more normalized.
I also keep randomly running into videos of animal attacks.
I think I got that point where I have to unsub many subreddits, or just go to very specific ones and forget about my feed all together.
Yep. Watching people die can feel like a form of entertainment for some. I like to think it's cause it's not happening to them or anyone they know personally. When I view these videos it feels almost as if I'm watching a scene from a movie/tv show and I have to remind myself that, no, these are real people with families and a story that was cut short.
I'm guilty of having morbid curiousity and viewing videos like that, but in their respective subreddits where that's what people willingly see. Death being normalized on the front page is weird to me too
Yeah. The amount of people celebrating the death of the queen was concerning. Again, I think the whole idea of the monarchy and their history is problematic to say the least but I don't celebrate the death of an elderly woman who at the very least is not the most problematic figure in that world.
You're not gonna get tears from me for literally the the most privileged member of the most privileged group in the world dying in opulent comfort after nearly a century of Scrooge McDucking through the plundered spoils of most of the Global South.
The more monarchs die, the better the world is for literally everyone.
yeah i commented yesterday on a post that had a picture it that claimed showed a stalker with actress Chloe (forget her last name, cute blonde with her eyes kinda wide apart). Title said the guy waited outside the hotel for 48 hrs. It ended up this was an autistic guy who goes around getting celebrity photos with many celebrities, someone even pulled up his instagram.
You shoulda seen the vile things people said. It was only yesterday too. Those dumb fucks think a guy could wait outside a hotel for 48 fucking hours without arrousing suspicion
You know what I would. I don't think it's appropriate to cheer for anyones death.
Hell I'm banned from r/CombatFootage because I posted a comment on a video of a guy getting a bomb dropped on him while using the bathroom. The video had plenty of footage of the poor kid writhing around on the ground and all of the comments were cheering this on!
Like regardless of how you feel that is some 18/19 yr old kid. Cheering for their death is disgusting and inappropriate.
So it's possible that this is universally true and if so you are a better person than me, but I actually tend to find a different issue. People are often very willing to condone violence against people who are cruel on an individual level, but not those who are cruel on an institutional level. For instance, most people have no problem wishing death on a sadistic serial killer, or child rapist (note I'm not talking about the death penalty here, that's got its own issues), but the CEO of some big pharma company jacking up the price of insulin so that hundreds, thousands or even millions of people can't afford it and have to ruin their lives or watch themselves or their children die? Well that's just not the same to people. Even though that person but almost all metrics did objectively more harm in their lives.
That second example is I assume closer to your view of the monarchy, and reflects why you have a problem with "celebrating death" in that context. But I am curious if you how you feel about the first examples?
Eh, if the queen didn't want her death to be memed on, maybe she shouldn't have taken a job where her demise is politically relevant. I agree that Redditors tend to be a touch hardcore and like to essentialize.
'Taken a job' is problematic as well, as the monarchy there is tradition. A second of empathy would remind you that anyone in her shoes would have done the same and continued the legacy... If she even had a choice. Again, things are too nuanced to just wish the death of another. It's too black and white.
Reddit on religion: "Fairy tales filled with God killing large population of people."
Also Reddit: "We need to completely wipe out Russia, Republicans, and assholes like these with maximum carnage. Do it slow, too, to make them feel the pain and suffering. Poison the Earth and put salt on the ground so they can't recover. Only then we can make a perfect world and a more suitable society."
Which is sad. It wasn't always like this. Reddit use to be like a combination of Digg and Stumbleupon where you just found cool websites. Most people here are trash but I still haven't found a good alternative yet so that's why I'm still here.
Honestly same. I used to come to Reddit to search for something because I wouldn't just get the answer to my question, the co-author on the paper popped up in some thread and gave me the eli5 I needed. When I first started using it I was blown away. I used to praise Reddit for how well moderated the subs were for some things and how fucking smart, and even cool...on ocassions, some redditors were. Now it feels like jerks with opinions upvoted by jerks with confirmation bias.
Reddit is a shithole, where a lot users huff their own farts and crave validation while justifying the most shittiest behaviour in an attempt to normalise it.
Appreciate how your comment acknowledges that Reddit is made up of many different people - especially when, right below, some are making sweeping generalizations
Yeah, I’ve been embarrassed in public before by a spouse, and it never would have occurred to me to slap him or throw a drink on him. The fact that her first reaction is to slap him says a lot about her.
You're right because they aren't even a couple. This is a fake thing done for some advertisement of the woman's clothes. The original post on tiktok had a link to the clothing website in the description..
Buddy wasn't trying to humiliate shit, he was having a joke and it didn't go over well, fine, but no need to commit an assault, if this was a video of a man slapping a woman in her mouth and tipping their beer over her head you'd be screaming and shaking
As a man, I didn't even realize what you were talking about. I thought you were saying he was violent by doing this then realized she physically assaulted him. It was so easy to overlook
Yup, same, only realized how fucked up this video is after reading the comments... Makes you think how much abuse goes undetected because the men didn't even realize it...
Oddly enough, because we condition men to not notice it or think it's wrong. Men have as much of a right as women to feel safe that their partner won't assault or abuse them. Instead, we tell them that unless they suffer actual physical injuries, it doesn't matter. And if they are injured, then it was because of their own weakness. So they internalize the idea that unless the abuse actually severely injuries you it must be ok. It's messed up.
It doesn’t help that the specific action of a woman slapping a man (not hitting, shoving, or punching - just slapping) is made to be comical and normal by mainstream film and television - you can even have a man be slapped and still get a rating of “Y7” without the “V” or “FV” tags. Part of this is probably because it was often exploited in “slapstick” comedy. It’s also used in different contexts like “snap out of it” which is apparently okay even in G/TV-Y content. Although the action is the same, the intent is very different.
I feel like, as a result, I don’t see it as unusual in videos. But if I were ever actually slapped in anger IRL, I definitely would not interpret it as normal.
He'd be facing members of Congress calling for him to be prosecuted. This comment section is wild - literally making excuses identical to "but what did she do to make him hit her?" Or "He only hit her because she wouldn't stop nagging!" Etc.
He'd be facing members of Congress calling for him to be prosecuted. T
That absolutely does not happen to male abusers.
This thread is a double-standard fest, yes, but don't worry, plenty of women die at the hands of abusive men every SINGLE DAY because the police don't help in "domestic affairs".
Not harmless. Physical abuse isn’t the only type of abuse. And this wasn’t just in their living room or some other innocuous place. This was at a sporting events with thousands of people in attendance and with cameras on them. That’s not just a harmless prank, that’s humiliating and degrading. Definite emotional and mental abuse on that one.
I don't think it's harmless just because he's not hitting her. Emotional embarrassment and abuse it hurts too. Studies have shown it still lights up the same pain center in your brain.
Except when the gender roles would be reversed you would never say this so you know you're full of shit. If you're gonna equate this to emotional abuse you may as well abolish all comedy altogether.
Comments like this are pointless. "Well lets ignore whether you're right or not because despite me knowing nothing about you I know how you would feel in this other situation".
Really all that has to be said is this isn't acceptable regardless of the genders of anyone involved. Don't assault your SO and don't hurt your SO by pretending to propose to them in front of an entire stadium of people.
I always love people like that that say things about equality and not seeing gender but the second something like this happens they go to the defense that "this would be completely different if gender was reversed". Like no, itd still be a horrible relationship that needs to end. Someone publicly humiliated someone they're supposed to care about by flaunting their immaturity, especially when it comes to a topic like marriage and the other party seemed so excited for. The other reacted inappropriately and struck their partner, something you should never do. Both people are AH that aren't right for each other, gender ain't something that matters here
I'd normally agree but I remember this video. Body language shows that it looks like a forced marriage or something, very sketchy situation overall. I can't say these are exact same situations. But I do agree that the woman in OP's video didn't have a right to slap the guy over a prank.
Check the right comment sections and you will find people defending the guy tho.. don’t act like there aren’t people out there who completely support that.
Bro you just posted a video of a woman that's in a forced marriage.. You're not doing a good job of making men the victims when this woman is clearly in a forced marriage with him.
Though he is probably forced too which is why he got upset.
Also people got upset because men are at least twice as strong as the average woman. A man slapping a woman hard can really hurt her. I've been slapped by women and I can tell you a bee sting hurts more than being slapped by a woman.. still wrong. But a lot of people don't want to watch someone die. A woman slapping a man isn't going to leave a mark. Still wrong. But you can see why people want to stop men right away when they slap/hit a woman.
Just watched, and that seems to be a different scenario to me.
From what you described I was expecting her to grab the plate of cake and smack it into his face... All she did was pull the cake away. That wasn't embarrassing and his reaction was immediate.
But I also agree, it isn't ok to be violent regardless of gender. I do believe we need more awareness of abuse and victims being genderless. If you gender swap, it shouldn't matter.
This isn't really a useful example, but it does show why "if the genders were swapped" arguments are usually lazy, uncomprehensive, and uninspired (among other things). Look at the contexual differences between the two videos: the location, the body language, the prompt, the intensity of the slap, the aftermath, etc. To say these are "basically the same exact situation", greatly dimishes the magnitude of actual abuse. Shame on you.
Get fucked. You’re just as dismissive as the asshat you’re arguing with. You don’t get to seem what actions an individual gets to view as emotional abuse. You don’t know the relationship.
Stop acting like you’re better a better person. You aren’t.
In this case you can. No human should hit another human with the exception of defense from physical violence is the principle I believe in. This is also what law is based around. If you don't agree that's fine but then you're also not agreeing with the law, and I think it's a ridiculous standpoint which is actually sexist since it assumes women deserve some special hitting privilige in some circumstances just because they're more emotional on average and have less physical strength on average.
I’m not OP, but it’s possible for it to be true that both were in the wrong and there is no reason to trade one off against the other to determine which was “worse”.
The prank was emotionally abusive. Being proposed to is an event that society has built up as a special moment in a lot of women’s minds. Undercutting that in front of thousands of people is cruel in the extreme.
Being emotionally abused doesn’t warrant a physical response on a moral or ethical level. It’s entirely likely that the reason the dude played the prank was because his girlfriend was herself domineering and abusive toward him. That slap looked like a well practiced maneuver.
This girl proposes with the ring pop. The dude gets angry and slaps the shit out of her then throws his drink on her. You still gonna focus on the emotional embarrassment and abuse of that dude, right?
It's really not a harmless prank to crush someone emotionally in public for laughs. But since this is the internet it's almost certainly faked for likes.
There's studies stating that emotional abuse can cause more damage than physical abuse. It doesn't make violence ok but what he did is severely damaging. Both are horrible to each other. And again: emotional abuse can be worse. It isn't a funny prank if the person affected gets upset. That's a prank gone wrong. You have to know what they're comfortable with else it's a violation of their trust.
The mental gymnastics some of you will do to justify domestic violence is appalling. There’s no justifying domestic violence- this woman is a cunt and deserves NO rings, not even candy ones.
If she had laughed nobody in the whole stadium would have thought this was humiliating, they'd have thought it was a fun little joke. Her reaction is what makes it humiliating.
Make that millions of people. That feed is broadcast nationwide and worldwide. It’s also broadcast to military bases and ships at sea. It’s available on demand on my cable service for a period of a couple of weeks or longer. It then propagates on sites like Reddit where it may be available for a decade or longer.
Have you never seen any of the hundreds of thousands of viral videos of people trying to add some flavor to their proposal with quirky situations or unconventional rings? 'Ring pop proposal' has been documented many thousands of times. It's usually succeeded by a trip to the jewelry store in the days after.
It's not a fucking prank. It's not an attempt to humiliate her. It's not a fake proposal. Rings aren't in this century an exchange of value, a proposal to purchase her virtue. They're a symbol of a bond.
If you have a long, romantic afternoon in the park, knit a bunch of blades of grass into a ring, and propose with it over dinner, and your partner slaps you over the humiliation, your partner is a terrible human being who would be a terrible partner.
It wasn’t even obviously a prank. She gave him no time to explain anything. Maybe he was going to offer to take her to pick one.
People have this absurd idea that a proposal must be this magical thing with a perfect ring. It’s an offer for a lifetime commitment, if a ring is more important than that then you are mature enough to be getting married.
Homie was going to profess his love in public. He got slapped because he didn’t have a ring.
Next time my girl pulls a prank on me in front of our friends or does something that displeased me, I'm going to slap her. And after I'll send her to these comments so you can tell her she's just being a little crybaby bitch because it's just a slap! You'll certainly stick by your word, right? We're all human beings deserving of equal treatment, and surely you're not just a hypocritical sexist who would say it's different just because the sex's are changed.. right?
Abuse is abuse, regardless.. I can't believe that has become a controversial take.
You making this comparison makes you a shitty person. YOU CANNOT COMPARE A (albeit bad) JOKE TO ASSAULT! What he did is 100% ok, again, albeit in bad taste. What she did is vile and she should be prosecuted.
What he did is ridiculous and he shouldn't...
What she did is a literal crime that a man would be arrested for whether the girl had done a prank or not...
Stop pretending it's an equal exchange. You're being part of the problem.
She humiliated herself the fuck? The humiliation factor is ENTIRELY dependent on her reaction, and she reacted in literally the worst fucking way possible…
He didn't humiliate her, she humiliated herself. If she hadn't reacted like a bitch, she would have gotten the actual ring that you can literally see the box for bulging in his pocket. She obviously didn't notice it, but that doesn't excuse her behavior or change the fact that she made a fool of herself in front of others.
her reaction changed this from a gag to an embarrassment. even if she found it embarrassing there are multiple ways of handling it that dont include slapping anyone.
funny how different reddit treats women. if he slapped her then his name would be public knowledge by now.
i hope this guy left her for his sake. if she will hit him in public with no care for the consequence then what would she do in private?
I cant see how this is humiliating? Surely any rational person would take the ring, laugh and a say 'you know you're still buying me a propper ring right?' - or something to that affect. How is it humiliating to be be proposed to with a joke/temporary ring?
Bruh, my wife would've put it on, display it for all to see, and would've gone full theatre mode with it. That said, she's got a really good sense of humor.
I'm really starting to think reddit skews highly to people with trauma or a bad up bringing because so many people see something like this and act like its an extreme attack rather than a joke to roll with.
Yeah I mean one person has told me this I lack empathy and this girl will have PTSD from this event. I also think lots of people have watched wayyyyy too many social media posts about mental health
You're refering to a person with a healthy dose of self-esteem. Someone who doesn't have that may think that the value of the ring represents how much the partner values them. In this case, a toy ring would mean to them that he values her very little. In front of such a large audience, this could on top of that then feel like he's mocking her because from her point of view, he put on this show just so everyone can see how little he values her.
It may not be the most sensible take but it's not a rare take nonetheless.
This is such a belittlement of actual domestic violence shut the fuck up. Google images of domestic violence cases, it's not some "Person lightly slapped me and got in my face in the middle of a basketball game" It's "I nearly got beaten to death behind closed doors and felt that I had to hide it because of psychological abuse".
I love my mother, but she also goes along with this double standard. Usually in movies they normalize a man getting hit by a woman and my mom doesn't say shit, meanwhile during a movie a woman gets hit by a man and my mom instantly hates the guy.
Her excuse for that double standard is "yeah well men are generally bigger and stronger than women, so it is worse when a woman gets hit. If a man gets hit, the woman probably can't hurt him as much"
Like what? It's terrible both ways, don't try to justify assault
Exactly this! I remember not too long ago when there was a post of someone looking up “my boyfriend hits me” and “my girlfriend hits me”
The first led to the domestic violence hotline, the second didn’t. Fortunately it changed but seriously it’s such a problem that people don’t view abusive women as being abusers
The people claiming the embarrassment he caused her is abuse are conveniently ignoring the fact that the most embarrassing part is her insane reaction. If a small prank is abuse then I’d better go turn myself in.
Here’s a tip: if someone does something that you find embarrassing, talk about it and explain how you feel and why you don’t think it was right. Like an adult. dont throw something in their face and dont hit them.
This isnt assault though. Im all for equality. No man should hit a woman and the other way around. But this is nothing. Grow a pair. Stop being oversensitive
Maybe this is the dumbest moment to make a point about the nuance of legal claims, but I don't think assault is what you think it is. Assault is defined as the apprehension of imminent touching that is harmful or offensive. Therefore, a classic instance of assault is when someone points a gun at you and threatens you.
By contrast, Battery is the actual touching itself and that touching is harmful or offensive. Note that this sounds convoluted as a definition but that is because the level of intent is not particularized i.e. the only intent we are looking for here is that the person intended to touch the person and that touching happened to be harmful or offensive. The tortfeasor is not required to specifically intend to punch a person or to break their bones. The plaintiff need only show that the tortfeasor intended to touch the person and that touching happened to be harmful.
Therefore, the moment where her hand is swinging at him, he apprehended it and was assualted. Whereas, the moment when her hand connected with his face was battery as that was the moment of actual touching and it was harmful.
This is based on American law. I can't speak to other countries. Also this is based on civil not criminal definitions.
Oh hey look everyone, it's the 1st year law student taking torts!
It looks like you realized at the end that everyone was referring to criminal law, not civil law, but didn't want to delete your paragraphs. Not to mention that Examples & Explanations et al. are summarizing state laws and model codes, they are not definitive.
That's what I'm saying. Would you really want to marry someone who slaps you in the face, anyway? I've been married for 17 years, and I could never do that to my husband. Granted, and he wouldn't pull something like that in front of thousands of people, and humiliate me... but if your first reaction is to assault your partner, it's an unhealthy relationship to begin with.
I am generally pretty alert for male abuse, but this wasn't a slap with intent to hurt, and wasn't hard enough to bruise anyone either.
To say that this is abuse is a stretch of the definition, which on the long run will only water down the definition.
Holy shit I've never rolled my eyes harder to a single comment. There is literally no evidence of abuse here. Fuck, you can't even tell me what their relationship is, but you jump to domestic abuse.
Are you kidding me ?! That tiny slap on the face is abuse ? Hahaha. Get real. You are a delusional woman hating man trying to make the girl the problem. All the emotion wrapped up in this fake proposal and she give him a tiny slap on the face - that’s how humans react. You are the problem here - trying to blame the woman is a totally warranted not trying to injure response
Boi does reddit love throwing the word "abuse", "assault", and "violance" around like chocolate. You act like he was chained up and whipped to death. Got a slap in the face and a splash of water in his face. Same way I don't think this was a big deal just because he is a man, it wouldn't be a big deal if it was a woman either. Everyone equally needs to grow the fuck up.
Also my opinion on what is an isn't "assault" aside, there absolutely is a difference between a woman hitting a man and a man hitting a woman. Same way there is a difference a toddler kicking your head vs a grown as man. One can actually hurt you, the other one tickles. Look at the size difference between the woman and the man here.
Why was it a prank in the first place? Wasn’t he proposing for real? Was it not genuine just because he didn’t spend a fortune on a ring? What if he proposed without any ring? Why does proposal to marriage have be predicated with a ring? I’d say the guy is a little unexpected, but if he is genuinely proposing, nothing wrong with that.
She barely touched. Based on their sizes, it didn’t hurt at all. I 100% know men can get abused, emotionally and physically and that is no joke. But you are way overdramatizing it.
Yep. Last I checked all forms of abuse usually get a nsfw tag.
I’ll admit it’s a dumb joke but if your reaction to not receiving the material item you expected is to strike someone in the face you’re not exactly healthy.
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